Horse Racing questions and answers

[str]

awe geez I meant to look at that... Hope you had it!!

Dad had a stent put in "95% blockage" I was a little sidetracked... He is home and doing well!

Glad to hear that Batt. Those stents seem to really do the trick . We certainly had luck with it as well. Everyday with mom and dad is a blessing . I know you realize that. Keep up the great work. We can talk about horses anytime. All the very best to you and your family !

[str]

they finished 1st and 2nd .. 87 exacta pd $45.20 and they were 7-2 and 4-1 in that order

This is so cool. I sure hope fans are seeing this AM stuff. What an edge to have going into looking a race over.

[JBEX]

horseshoe 7 (5:16)
7 stuck in park (6-1)
army mule first time starter.. 3 year old
out [2-1]

pretty much eliminated being bumped at the start ..made up lots of ground through the backstretch ,around the turn and well into the stretch ..did a lot of running and will likely improve next out

[batt33]

98+% of the time (including this) I'm not playing these batt .. daily picks , army mule progeny , horse follows (kingsbarns,deterministic) , future bets .. I've been upfront about this on here over the years .. honestly it doesn't even sting a little when things hit .. broken in well lol


glad your dad is OK

Copy that and thanks!

[batt33]

Glad to hear that Batt. Those stents seem to really do the trick . We certainly had luck with it as well. Everyday with mom and dad is a blessing . I know you realize that. Keep up the great work. We can talk about horses anytime. All the very best to you and your family !

Thanks STR!

[batt33]

Looking forward to Bacio Running!
Bacio: Breeze & Entry

Bacio had his final work this morning at Keeneland, going :49.80 over the turf course and with the dogs up (cones protecting the inner part of the turf course, effectively making the work longer). Your son of Maclean's Music was subsequently entered for Tuesday, Apr. 28 in race 9 at Churchill Downs with Juan Hernandez in the irons.

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/IMG5988_1776794647633/MP4/IMG5988_1776794647633.mp4

[batt33]

Black Tie Optional Breeze Report



Black Tie Optional breezed a sharp 3/8 this morning at Los Al in :35.80.(1/5) Assistant trainer Mike Marlow said he looked great doing it. We’ll be out to visit your colt soon and will be sure to pass along fresh content afterwards.

[batt33]

Some interesting fun facts on the Derby post position winners.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/291359/from-the-start-a-look-at-kentucky-derby-post-positions

PP 2 last winner Affirmed 1978
PP 9 Riva Ridge 1972
pp 12 Canonero 11 1971
PP 14 Carry Back 1961
PP 17 ******* ****
PP 19 one winner I'll have another 2012 ( had him in my future bets!)
among other tidbets

[str]

Black Tie Optional Breeze Report



Black Tie Optional breezed a sharp 3/8 this morning at Los Al in :35.80.(1/5) Assistant trainer Mike Marlow said he looked great doing it. We’ll be out to visit your colt soon and will be sure to pass along fresh content afterwards.

Man… I wish he would chill out a little off the pole. You don’t earn any money in the morning.
I didn’t see it though and a chance he’s just gliding around there. Hope so.

[str]

Some interesting fun facts on the Derby post position winners.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/291359/from-the-start-a-look-at-kentucky-derby-post-positions

PP 2 last winner Affirmed 1978
PP 9 Riva Ridge 1972
pp 12 Canonero 11 1971
PP 14 Carry Back 1961
PP 17 ******* ****
PP 19 one winner I'll have another 2012 ( had him in my future bets!)
among other tidbets

There are a couple rules of thumb that typically match up but no way to know the trips by just the post position. Closers that are middle posts tend to get shuffled back from both sides making it tough. Speed from the inside makes the horse burn too early usually. Laying mid pack is a tough one . The post can help or hurt but the traffic flow is usually unpredictable because of the volume of starters.

We usually look back and see that the winner had a nice trip all things( like the amount of horses running) considered. That is a crap chute to try and figure out beforehand . Betting this race during the running would give you an edge but it would be a year to year thing. Really focused on a few horses trips and if they get those after the 1st 3/8ths could be a profitable play but you have to be willing to also pass it unless something jumped out. Over time, probably a plus EV situation but it takes a ton of patience. Just like most plus EV things do.

[str]

I really do try before just typing whatever is on my mind, to take a minute and make sure I want to read my post a week , month or a year later and not question it. I do that so as to try and keep raw opinions that are maybe not that well thought out from being said and regretting them. So, let me say that the answer is NO. I will not regret this and YES, they are still raw :

The horse racing Hall of Fame, for all it's wonderful and hard working people that indeed put quite a bit into the decisions made, are in my opinion, (like anybody gives a damn about that) , lost. Lost how?

From where I sit, and I suppose like most panels that vote people in or keep out, they allow their direct opinions and the seemingly prevailing social ,(uppity)climate that is obvious to those on the outside looking in to dictate their decisions.


They wait for two trainers to die and then they are inducted. Both should have been in already. They list people or horses and seem to make it about anything except what it is supposed to be which is an actual Hall of Fame represented by people or horses that over achieved , dominated, passed on greatness to there offspring in the horses cases, and knowledge, class, respect for the game, etc. for people who worked within a system for those trainers. Trainers that DID NOT CHEAT ! It should be about trainers that went from nothing, to spectacular heights. Sure, it can be about trainers that were always in a great position and delivered in a Hall Of Fame manner. But it needs to be BOTH.

Seems like it is a reserved for "Blue Bloods" group, that does not take full bodies of work into consideration as much as the whose who and in the "Club" or not a part of it. Not as much what you did with what you had, but who you trained for and who you knew.

The Hall of Fame, when it comes to people inducted IMO, should be a body of work, honesty, integrity, dedication, and what was passed on from them after they are gone.
I would say please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm NOT. It is blatantly obvious. And while I will always applaud those who are inducted, I will reserve the right to know in my mind who was NOT part of the club and therefore rejected. Or, who is in but would they have been in if they were in a different situation?
No explanations or reasons are ever given for those that are rejected. That elite, better and more knowledgeable than others stance, is exactly why I have lost all respect for the horse racing hall of fame. Not to say this way of thinking does not exist everywhere because we all know it does. What bothers me is that those within it, think that we that are not in it, are either naive , stupid or both.

[batt33]

I really do try before just typing whatever is on my mind, to take a minute and make sure I want to read my post a week , month or a year later and not question it. I do that so as to try and keep raw opinions that are maybe not that well thought out from being said and regretting them. So, let me say that the answer is NO. I will not regret this and YES, they are still raw :

The horse racing Hall of Fame, for all it's wonderful and hard working people that indeed put quite a bit into the decisions made, are in my opinion, (like anybody gives a damn about that) , lost. Lost how?

From where I sit, and I suppose like most panels that vote people in or keep out, they allow their direct opinions and the seemingly prevailing social ,(uppity)climate that is obvious to those on the outside looking in to dictate their decisions.


They wait for two trainers to die and then they are inducted. Both should have been in already. They list people or horses and seem to make it about anything except what it is supposed to be which is an actual Hall of Fame represented by people or horses that over achieved , dominated, passed on greatness to there offspring in the horses cases, and knowledge, class, respect for the game, etc. for people who worked within a system for those trainers. Trainers that DID NOT CHEAT ! It should be about trainers that went from nothing, to spectacular heights. Sure, it can be about trainers that were always in a great position and delivered in a Hall Of Fame manner. But it needs to be BOTH.

Seems like it is a reserved for "Blue Bloods" group, that does not take full bodies of work into consideration as much as the whose who and in the "Club" or not a part of it. Not as much what you did with what you had, but who you trained for and who you knew.

The Hall of Fame, when it comes to people inducted IMO, should be a body of work, honesty, integrity, dedication, and what was passed on from them after they are gone.
I would say please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm NOT. It is blatantly obvious. And while I will always applaud those who are inducted, I will reserve the right to know in my mind who was NOT part of the club and therefore rejected. Or, who is in but would they have been in if they were in a different situation?
No explanations or reasons are ever given for those that are rejected. That elite, better and more knowledgeable than others stance, is exactly why I have lost all respect for the horse racing hall of fame. Not to say this way of thinking does not exist everywhere because we all know it does. What bothers me is that those within it, think that we that are not in it, are either na

Well said STR.... It does seem like a club. I often wonder why a couple of Nor Cal trainers never even got a wiff... well respected by their peers and did some amazing things with the few horses they had... I have a couple in mind and your comments made me think of them again....

[batt33]

Man… I wish he would chill out a little off the pole. You don’t earn any money in the morning.
I didn’t see it though and a chance he’s just gliding around there. Hope so.

Yeah I wish I had a video also..

[batt33]

Bacio: On Track Footage

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/IMG6036_1777042926083/MP4/IMG6036_1777042926083.mp4

Bacio was spotted jogging this morning at Keeneland. Trainer Wesley Ward is very happy with how your son of Maclean’s Music is coming into his three-year-old debut.

[JBEX]

couple of army mule 2 year old msw debuters(colt and filly) going at churchill sat and sun .. both trained by eddie keneally and both days it's R2 .. it's opening day there and that's a lot of respect for them with those morning lines

saturday

churchill 2 (1:20)
1 sgt bilko (7-2)

sunday

churchill 2 (1:14)
8 she's toasty (4-1)

[str]

couple of army mule 2 year old msw debuters(colt and filly) going at churchill sat and sun .. both trained by eddie keneally and both days it's R2 .. it's opening day there and that's a lot of respect for them with those morning lines

saturday

churchill 2 (1:20)
1 sgt bilko (7-2)

sunday

churchill 2 (1:14)
8 she's toasty (4-1)

Those ML numbers are impressive for Keenland.

Just a heads up for the readers.

When an Army Mule is running at any track, like Laurel, Phila. Park, anywhere that is not a premier track ( Saratoga, Keenland Santa Anita) and you see morning lines of 8-1 or higher, do yourself a favor and spend some time looking at that race.

Typically most handicappers know little about firsters other than connections, riders, or workouts. In more cases than not, that's all the morning line guy knows as well.
With Army Mules, what you know going in is their ability and guts factor is most likely top 1,2,3 in any race they run. And because of that, and running at a normal group of talent type field, not top of the line, that puts them pretty close to the best 1- 2-3 horses in that race before any handicapping even starts.

By comparison, those Keenland morning lines make those horses even money at 2nd tier tracks.

Hope that makes sense because it is absolutely true. GL.

[JBEX]

it is a restricted based on auction purchase price race but you still figure with a $92k purse you might attract some who show promise .. a good spot for army mule type horses who tend to run well early and are more geared towards sprints .. the well bred, expensive horses might not want to get involved this early with 2 year olds

[batt33]

it is a restricted based on auction purchase price race but you still figure with a $92k purse you might attract some who show promise .. a good spot for army mule type horses who tend to run well early and are more geared towards sprints .. the well bred, expensive horses might not want to get involved this early with 2 year olds

Made it just in time to watch!
getting some play

[batt33]

Wow Nice run.. Got shuttled back and made a heck of a run to win! Jockey did a nice job of letting the horse gather himself and luckily the rail opened up! Most 2 year olds shy away from that.

[JBEX]

Wow Nice run.. Got shuttled back and made a heck of a run to win! Jockey did a nice job of letting the horse gather himself and luckily the rail opened up! Most 2 year olds shy away from that.

agree a very professional race for a 2yo this early in the year .. sure the filly will be well supported tomorrow being it's the same trainer .. would be cool to see 2 AM's sweep the opening weekend baby races

[batt33]

Post 1 for Renegade.....

[JBEX]

Post 1 for Renegade.....

couldn't get a little lucky with that

[batt33]

couldn't get a little lucky with that

flipping right off the bat during the draw.... ugh

[batt33]

well after some time off... and then being entered and races not filling "Caldera " makes his return to the track! He has been training super well!

2026-04-24	0:49.30	14/32	PMM	4F	Dirt
2026-04-17	0:36.95	7/12	PMM	3F	Dirt
2026-04-05	0:49.70	9/15	PMM	4F	Dirt
2026-03-27	0:47.25	1/42	PMM	4F	Dirt
2026-03-20	0:48.70	9/67	PMM	4F	Dirt

From 8 days ago

Caldera Breeze Report

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/Untitled_1776459360520/MP4/Untitled_1776459360520.mp4

Caldera stretched his legs this morning at Palm Meadows through 3/8 in :36.95. He’s pretty much sitting on go at this point, so doesn’t need to do much as we wait for a race. The same race we were looking at as an extra is back in the new condition book for Apr. 30, so that will be the target for now.

Yesterday..

Caldera: Workout

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/CalderaApr242026_1777048244679/MP4/CalderaApr242026_1777048244679.mp4

Caldera worked four furlongs in :49.30 this morning at Palm Meadows. We are still waiting to see if the allowance race fills that your colt was entered in yesterday. Entries for the day were extremely light, therefore the racing office has kept entries for the Apr. 30 card open until today. We will report back once the race goes.

[batt33]

Caldera Entry Update



Caldera is officially in for next Thursday at Gulfstream Park! He’ll be the #1 among a field of 6 carded as race 7. Post time is 3:54 p.m. ET.

[JBEX]

Caldera Entry Update



Caldera is officially in for next Thursday at Gulfstream Park! He’ll be the #1 among a field of 6 carded as race 7. Post time is 3:54 p.m. ET.

be exciting to see what saffie joseph can do with him and nice that he's eligible for an allowance to start things off .. kingsbarns started his 4yo year off with a 7f n2x ot alw race there

[str]

Post 1 for Renegade.....

Not impossible from there. Will need a couple of breaks to go his way.

[str]

well after some time off... and then being entered and races not filling "Caldera " makes his return to the track! He has been training super well!

2026-04-24	0:49.30	14/32	PMM	4F	Dirt
2026-04-17	0:36.95	7/12	PMM	3F	Dirt
2026-04-05	0:49.70	9/15	PMM	4F	Dirt
2026-03-27	0:47.25	1/42	PMM	4F	Dirt
2026-03-20	0:48.70	9/67	PMM	4F	Dirt

From 8 days ago

Caldera Breeze Report

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/Untitled_1776459360520/MP4/Untitled_1776459360520.mp4

Caldera stretched his legs this morning at Palm Meadows through 3/8 in :36.95. He’s pretty much sitting on go at this point, so doesn’t need to do much as we wait for a race. The same race we were looking at as an extra is back in the new condition book for Apr. 30, so that will be the target for now.

Yesterday..

Caldera: Workout

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/CalderaApr242026_1777048244679/MP4/CalderaApr242026_1777048244679.mp4

Caldera worked four furlongs in :49.30 this morning at Palm Meadows. We are still waiting to see if the allowance race fills that your colt was entered in yesterday. Entries for the day were extremely light, therefore the racing office has kept entries for the Apr. 30 card open until today. We will report back once the race goes.

Those are a nice set of works for that surface Batt.

[str]

Caldera Entry Update



Caldera is officially in for next Thursday at Gulfstream Park! He’ll be the #1 among a field of 6 carded as race 7. Post time is 3:54 p.m. ET.

Is that distance from a chute or do they break near the wire?

Chute= very tricky
Around the wire with the 1st turn coming up= just fine

[BOA12]

Is that distance from a chute or do they break near the wire?

Chute= very tricky
Around the wire with the 1st turn coming up= just fine

It looks like it is the chute.

2nd look it could be either.

[JBEX]

couple of army mule 2 year old msw debuters(colt and filly) going at churchill sat and sun .. both trained by eddie keneally and both days it's R2 .. it's opening day there and that's a lot of respect for them with those morning lines

saturday

churchill 2 (1:20)
1 sgt bilko (7-2)

sunday

churchill 2 (1:14)
8 she's toasty (4-1)

wanted to see the sweep .. scratched

[Jellymancan]

Happy Derby week, everyone!

Hope everyone is doing well and healthy.

[BOA12]

Happy Derby week, everyone!

Hope everyone is doing well and healthy.

Happy, healthy and hoping for a winner from jellyman if he can .

Derby week a good time for old friends to gather for the real super bowl of horse racing.

GL if you endeavor.

[JBEX]

Happy Derby week, everyone!

Hope everyone is doing well and healthy.

same to you jellyman and hope things are going well

[str]

Happy Derby week, everyone!

Hope everyone is doing well and healthy.

Same to you Jellyman. Great to see you in here !!