Horse Racing questions and answers

[str]

BTW. Golden Tempo was born on Feb. 5th
He is 11 days younger than Renegade.
I didn’t look up the other Feb. dates.

[JBEX]

BTW. Golden Tempo was born on Feb. 5th
He is 11 days younger than Renegade.
I didn’t look up the other Feb. dates.

chief wallabe 2/6 and a comfortable gap to all the others so the age angle you gave is really impressive !

[batt33]

Hats off to the winner. I thought we were all but home at the 1/4 pole. The winner ran great. Renegade ran super. No excuses. 2nd best today.
Oh, has Andy’s horse , Further Ado finished yet?? I know, he bounced. lolol.
I don’t usually get like that but Andy started it. Andy, You pick them and we will train them.

[JBEX]

paige turner (army mule) finished 2nd [6-5] in allowance at churchill yesterday. .$127k oaks undercard so you know that's a tough race

active day for horses by him at major tracks including R14 at churchill 9 big jake (8-1)..oaklawn races 10 and 11 .. 10 razorback army (20-1) and 10 master mule (5-2)

big jake .. 3rd/12 [7-5]

even factoring it was the last race and baffert pretty amazing to be bet like that with the pools there today and his morning line of 8-1


razorback army scratched


master mule WON easy @ 3-5 .. really big horse

[ChuckyTheGoat]

GL Chucky. Thanks for checking in.

I think about all the time you guys put in with the horses at the crack of dawn.

Props to the winner at long-shot odds. Trifecta paid a handsome 5-figure amount. I have dreamt of getting a piece of the Derby long-shot exotic.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

BTW. Golden Tempo was born on Feb. 5th
He is 11 days younger than Renegade.
I didn’t look up the other Feb. dates.

Hi, str. Saw some of your notes on horse-age. This is a variable that I've often referenced in Athletics:

*Hockey: the Juniors get an advantage if they are born in JAN/FEB.

*Hi-School Wrestling: the birth-date has a HUGE impact on results. Age-advantage wrestlers can be 19.5 by March of senior season.

*Most American sports: peak performance comes at age 27. A little later for MLB pitchers. GMs often wind up over-paying for mid-30 athletes that already peaked.

[str]

Chucky,

Back when I was 9-10 years old , we played in 2 yr. Increments for most sports . Every time we move up, especially early on, the difference in speed and strength was significant. At 9 you hung in there. At 10, you dominated. That held true for all 3 sports through high school.
With this race in early May, these horses are not yet fully mature. Just like us, some are clumsy, awkward, etc. Not all but probably most. All have high end talent or they would not be there.
I have not broken down the betting angle of the Derby based on age because it stopped being about betting for me when I was 19 years old.
But the reality of this and in living it, so as to fully understand it, demands a review of this angle for any serious player.
Maybe it’s a one off, but what if it’s not ?
My question is, with Andy’s, as well as others vast handicapping depth of knowledge, why isn’t this discussed. I mean, if a stupid ex horse trainer that left because illegal drugs we’re running rampant can understand this, why can’t the sharpest handicapping minds on the planet discuss this?

Hahaha. Don’t think I’ve mentioned that stuff much but when something (arrogance) gets thrown in your face and those chosen few want to try and talk down to you, I don’t forget that.
Oh, has Andy’s pick finished yet ?

[str]

I think about all the time you guys put in with the horses at the crack of dawn.

Props to the winner at long-shot odds. Trifecta paid a handsome 5-figure amount. I have dreamt of getting a piece of the Derby long-shot exotic.

I can still close my eyes and smell that morning air. The closest to thing to heaven I suppose.

[BOA12]

Chucky,

Back when I was 9-10 years old , we played in 2 yr. Increments for most sports . Every time we move up, especially early on, the difference in speed and strength was significant. At 9 you hung in there. At 10, you dominated. That held true for all 3 sports through high school.
With this race in early May, these horses are not yet fully mature. Just like us, some are clumsy, awkward, etc. Not all but probably most. All have high end talent or they would not be there.
I have not broken down the betting angle of the Derby based on age because it stopped being about betting for me when I was 19 years old.
But the reality of this and in living it, so as to fully understand it, demands a review of this angle for any serious player.
Maybe it’s a one off, but what if it’s not ?
My question is, with Andy’s, as well as others vast handicapping depth of knowledge, why isn’t this discussed. I mean, if a stupid ex horse trainer that left because illegal drugs we’re running rampant can understand this, why can’t the sharpest handicapping minds on the planet discuss this?

Hahaha. Don’t think I’ve mentioned that stuff much but when something (arrogance) gets thrown in your face and those chosen few want to try and talk down to you, I don’t forget that.
Oh, has Andy’s pick finished yet ?

I still use speed rating/variant

over andy's figures for my # ratings.

Still running- vindicates you over one who irritates.

[JBEX]

Chucky,

Back when I was 9-10 years old , we played in 2 yr. Increments for most sports . Every time we move up, especially early on, the difference in speed and strength was significant. At 9 you hung in there. At 10, you dominated. That held true for all 3 sports through high school.
With this race in early May, these horses are not yet fully mature. Just like us, some are clumsy, awkward, etc. Not all but probably most. All have high end talent or they would not be there.
I have not broken down the betting angle of the Derby based on age because it stopped being about betting for me when I was 19 years old.
But the reality of this and in living it, so as to fully understand it, demands a review of this angle for any serious player.
Maybe it’s a one off, but what if it’s not ?
My question is, with Andy’s, as well as others vast handicapping depth of knowledge, why isn’t this discussed. I mean, if a stupid ex horse trainer that left because illegal drugs we’re running rampant can understand this, why can’t the sharpest handicapping minds on the planet discuss this?

Hahaha. Don’t think I’ve mentioned that stuff much but when something (arrogance) gets thrown in your face and those chosen few want to try and talk down to you, I don’t forget that.
Oh, has Andy’s pick finished yet ?

I like this analogy applied to the foaling date of derby runners.. maybe around mid march is a good cutoff point with the preference of course being jan or feb.. guess there aren't nearly as many of the former .. when there starts to be at least a 1.5 month (my #) difference that often can indicate a significant amount of extra development for the elder

[BOA12]

I can still close my eyes and smell that morning air. The closest to thing to heaven I suppose.

Paradise on Earth

Sunrise and a cup of coffee

watching talent and pure athletes

doing what they love.

[Snowball]

combination of serious and lotto plays
strongest opinion is the 19.

r11
db 6/18
db 7,10/6,12,19
db 10/6,7,12,18,19

r12
wn 15
pl 19
sh 19,22

sorry for quoting myself but I feel good today. Watched it later on DVR. And the youtube stuff.
Race played out like I thought it would on the most serious bet which was Golden Tempo.
Good thing I put i some Ocelli on the Show also. But I wish two things...
1) I went even deeper on 19.
2) I put Remegade with the 19 (instead I put 6 others)

Will check my balance Monday as I get the +25% boost from BetAmerica/TwinSpires bonus they were running. Although that caps off at $50. Basically one every week they run now. Only on Win,Exacta,Tri,Super.
The biggest factor in this Derby was lack of experience especially at the 10 furlongs.
Also some bumping affected the Middle which helped Ocelli (he bumped Commandment who bumped Chief Wallabee)
But Golden Tempo was going past them in the final furlong anyway. Congrats to Jose and Cheri.
Congrats also to Renegade and Ocelli. Renegade is a beast at long distance and a closer fully established now. Ocelli is out of the weeds. Notes: Don't be lazy with your own work and opinions, what does that mean? It means watching Youtube videos and reading and podcasts in the biggest races GETS OUT OF HAND. Too many opinions and you might not think they affect you but they linger in your actions, like making me distribute to the main others too much. ALthough there were a few who picked the winner -- Emily Gullickson, Vosburgh Report, Nate Shepherd. Esp. Emily who made 19 her only pick. I had already settled on 19 without them but I still enjoy seeing what others say... it's a double-edged sword, though... and also I don't know how much to takeaway on the Rail at the Derby because Renegade's massive comeback was a lot more about him than about fading the Rail going wrong. It didn't go wrong at all, it was just that Renegade and Irad were beasts. Also Danon Bourbon impressive. Six Speed at 1m or less. On to the next day and thanks for letting me intrude into your thread again.

[BOA12]

sorry for quoting myself but I feel good today. Watched it later on DVR. And the youtube stuff.
Race played out like I thought it would on the most serious bet which was Golden Tempo.
Good thing I put i some Ocelli on the Show also. But I wish two things...
1) I went even deeper on 19.
2) I put Remegade with the 19 (instead I put 6 others)

Will check my balance Monday as I get the +25% boost from BetAmerica/TwinSpires bonus they were running. Although that caps off at $50. Basically one every week they run now. Only on Win,Exacta,Tri,Super.
The biggest factor in this Derby was lack of experience especially at the 10 furlongs.
Also some bumping affected the Middle which helped Ocelli (he bumped Commandment who bumped Chief Wallabee)
But Golden Tempo was going past them in the final furlong anyway. Congrats to Jose and Cheri.
Congrats also to Renegade and Ocelli. Renegade is a beast at long distance and a closer fully established now. Ocelli is out of the weeds. Notes: Don't be lazy with your own work and opinions, what does that mean? It means watching Youtube videos and reading and podcasts in the biggest races GETS OUT OF HAND. Too many opinions and you might not think they affect you but they linger in your actions, like making me distribute to the main others too much. ALthough there were a few who picked the winner -- Emily Gullickson, Vosburgh Report, Nate Shepherd. Esp. Emily who made 19 her only pick. I had already settled on 19 without them but I still enjoy seeing what others say... it's a double-edged sword, though... and also I don't know how much to takeaway on the Rail at the Derby because Renegade's massive comeback was a lot more about him than about fading the Rail going wrong. It didn't go wrong at all, it was just that Renegade and Irad were beasts. Also Danon Bourbon impressive. Six Speed at 1m or less. On to the next day and thanks for letting me intrude into your thread again.

You're the wildest poster though

never wreckless snow.

U talk the talk

walk the walk.

[stevenash]

You're the wildest poster though

never wreckless snow.

U talk the talk

walk the walk.

[Snowball]

You're the wildest poster though

never wreckless snow.

U talk the talk

walk the walk.

thanks BOA. And Nash. I just found out I also had Golden Tempo amongst my 4 futures picks. More Boom.
They were Paladin, Brandt, Dr Kapur and Golden Tempo.

[BOA12]

Nash, the 2nd widest poster

known 2B loud but polite.

[stevenash]

known 2B loud but polite.

Known 2b longwinded but never a blowhard.

[BOA12]

thanks BOA. And Nash. I just found out I also had Golden Tempo amongst my 4 futures picks. More Boom.
They were Paladin, Brandt, Dr Kapur and Golden Tempo.

Your pitcher and cup runs over like A pot of gold.

[BOA12]

Known 2b longwinded but never a blowhard.

A man of few words

that says alot


The Element's Of Style.

BOL BOS.

[Snowball]

Your pitcher and cup runs over like A pot of gold.

This is all I do now. No more human sports. Since the tennis stars got old or injured, the other league pros got old and retired, I didn't feel like putting in the effort to learn all the new players. Plus I got sour on NFL. Totally ignored March Madness. Just this for the last year but more seriously than ever in decades past, even though I started betting dogs and horses in the mid-1980's, now it's my daily thing. I've gotten to know them like we know the players and jockeys and trainers like qb's and coaches, etc. Got my "stable" watchiist. The cold pick 6 at Tampa I only bet 20 cents on. Weekday and low pot but man. If I bet more on that. Hit a lot of Supers too, even in Harness. Just betting small, though. This is where I'm staying now. This is the best sport today. IMO.

[BOA12]

This is all I do now. No more human sports. Since the tennis stars got old or injured, the other league pros got old and retired, I didn't feel like putting in the effort to learn all the new players. Plus I got sour on NFL. Totally ignored March Madness. Just this for the last year but more seriously than ever in decades past, even though I started betting dogs and horses in the mid-1980's, now it's my daily thing. I've gotten to know them like we know the players and jockeys and trainers like qb's and coaches, etc. Got my "stable" watchiist. The cold pick 6 at Tampa I only bet 20 cents on. Weekday and low pot but man. If I bet more on that. Hit a lot of Supers too, even in Harness. Just betting small, though. This is where I'm staying now. This is the best sport today. IMO.

Soured on the nba in the 80's.

Nfl 2 years ago.

Have to play march madness a little.

Mlb will make or break me.

Horses, #1 because it's fun for my daily fix.

[stevenash]

Go right to the source and ask the horse
He'll give you the answer that you'll endorse
He's always on a steady course
Talk to Mr. Ed

[JBEX]

danon bourbon (jpn) got a perfect prep for the preakness the way he ran .. think he'll go off lower than golden tempo assuming that one runs .. not an automatic anymore (sovereignty)

[BOA12]

Go right to the source and ask the horse
He'll give you the answer that you'll endorse
He's always on a steady course
Talk to Mr. Ed

Post the way I do

in honor of Ed & wilburr Post

par 4 any horse course.

[Jellymancan]

danon bourbon (jpn) got a perfect prep for the preakness the way he ran .. think he'll go off lower than golden tempo assuming that one runs .. not an automatic anymore (sovereignty)

Super impressed by danon bourbons effort yesterday. Looked great pre race as well.

[JBEX]

Super impressed by danon bourbons effort yesterday. Looked great pre race as well.

with smaller field and a reasonable pace i think he will be tough with whoever winds up running in it .. guess waiting for the belmont also has some merit considering all the travel he's done .. 5 weeks off and being up at saratoga might be a good refresher for him

[JBEX]

with smaller field and a reasonable pace i think he will be tough with whoever winds up running in it .. guess waiting for the belmont also has some merit considering all the travel he's done .. 5 weeks off and being up at saratoga might be a good refresher for him

5 weeks since he raced in japan and 5 weeks to the belmont .. does make some sense

[ChuckyTheGoat]

I can still close my eyes and smell that morning air. The closest to thing to heaven I suppose.

Very cool. There's a reason you guys did it.

Like anything, success is directly tied to the time you put into it. Has to be VERY gratifying to see your horse cross the wire in 1st.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Props, Snowball. Not too many had 19. Nice hit!

And NOBODY has 22. 22 shocks and hits the board. Made for a huge Tri payout.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Something I didn't pick up on at first: *Irad Ortiz Jr (2nd) did acknowledge his brother Jose (1st) after they crossed the wire. Very nice gesture. Not too many people appreciate how much preparation goes into a race.

[BOA12]

Props, Snowball. Not too many had 19. Nice hit!

And NOBODY has 22. 22 shocks and hits the board. Made for a huge Tri payout.

i know one guy who had #22 for 3rd ( didn't hit )

in his tri ,

known as an ALL ticket.

[BOA12]

Very cool. There's a reason you guys did it.

Like anything, success is directly tied to the time you put into it. Has to be VERY gratifying to see your horse cross the wire in 1st.

Self employed and working outdoors very gratifying an added plus.

[str]

Self employed and working outdoors very gratifying an added plus.

I can't begin to try and describe it. Here is just one snipit.

Every morning around sunrise, actually just before, a flock of geese would fly in to the Laurel pond from a pond about 4-5 miles away ( as the goose flies), where they went every afternoon when the races ran . On dark days, they flew about an hour before sunset.

Fast forward from 1976 when I realized it when I first started training, they still do exactly that. I know because my house is about half way in between the two. So darn cool.


Reminds me of back in the day everyday. Not sad I'm not there anymore. Just so thankful I once was.

[BOA12]

I can't begin to try and describe it. Here is just one snipit.

Every morning around sunrise, actually just before, a flock of geese would fly in to the Laurel pond from a pond about 4-5 miles away ( as the goose flies), where they went every afternoon when the races ran . On dark days, they flew about an hour before sunset.

Fast forward from 1976 when I realized it when I first started training, they still do exactly that. I know because my house is about half way in between the two. So darn cool.


Reminds me of back in the day everyday. Not sad I'm not there anymore. Just so thankful I once was.

1976 I started playing horses " full time " as my past time.

I was playing, you were working.

Always been an early riser, haven't missed many sunrises, my best time to shine.

[str]

sorry for quoting myself but I feel good today. Watched it later on DVR. And the youtube stuff.
Race played out like I thought it would on the most serious bet which was Golden Tempo.
Good thing I put i some Ocelli on the Show also. But I wish two things...
1) I went even deeper on 19.
2) I put Remegade with the 19 (instead I put 6 others)

Will check my balance Monday as I get the +25% boost from BetAmerica/TwinSpires bonus they were running. Although that caps off at $50. Basically one every week they run now. Only on Win,Exacta,Tri,Super.
The biggest factor in this Derby was lack of experience especially at the 10 furlongs.
Also some bumping affected the Middle which helped Ocelli (he bumped Commandment who bumped Chief Wallabee)
But Golden Tempo was going past them in the final furlong anyway. Congrats to Jose and Cheri.
Congrats also to Renegade and Ocelli. Renegade is a beast at long distance and a closer fully established now. Ocelli is out of the weeds. Notes: Don't be lazy with your own work and opinions, what does that mean? It means watching Youtube videos and reading and podcasts in the biggest races GETS OUT OF HAND. Too many opinions and you might not think they affect you but they linger in your actions, like making me distribute to the main others too much. ALthough there were a few who picked the winner -- Emily Gullickson, Vosburgh Report, Nate Shepherd. Esp. Emily who made 19 her only pick. I had already settled on 19 without them but I still enjoy seeing what others say... it's a double-edged sword, though... and also I don't know how much to takeaway on the Rail at the Derby because Renegade's massive comeback was a lot more about him than about fading the Rail going wrong. It didn't go wrong at all, it was just that Renegade and Irad were beasts. Also Danon Bourbon impressive. Six Speed at 1m or less. On to the next day and thanks for letting me intrude into your thread again.

That’s a great job Snowball !!
Happy to see you cash.
Very well done.