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  • Vaughany
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 03-07-10
    • 45563

    #3641
    Ludwig vs Neer breakdown:

    Pick: Josh Neer money-line at +110 or better (at the moment I have only put 1.2 units on Neer at +130, however I'm waiting to see the pinnacle line and will probably add more at similar line).

    Ludwig’s last two opponents have been rangy technical strikers in Osipzcak and Sadollah – both of whom tried to stand with Ludwig and put in rather lacklustre performances with Sadollah lacking any power or persistence in his takedowns and Osipczak gassing out mid way through the fight. In Josh Neer, Ludwig is going to be facing a different kind of fighter. The Dentist is guy who might not be as technical as Ludwig and not even as technical as Ludwig's two previous opponents, however he makes up for this with experience, a solid chin, toughness and durability, reasonable power and a grinding brawler type line of attack, as well as under-rated ground game.

    The key will be Neer being smart and taking the fight to the ground. Neer has used takedowns before, early on in fights but then not stuck to the gameplan and been lured in to brawler type fights. He took down Nate Diaz in their fight early and also comfortably beat Din Thomas by getting takedowns in each round and landing his trademark elbows from top. Neer has some off the best elbows in the business as he showed against another tough, resilient. experienced but taller and bigger opponent in Wisnewski in his UFC comeback fight, absolutely massacring Wisnewski in the clinch against the cage with elbows and body shots to the point where the fight was stopped by the doctors before the third round. This I feel could be a key aspect to consider in the fight with Ludwig, as I believe Neer will look to implement a similar strategy to the Wisnewski fight, except also try and mix in takedowns and use his elbows from the guard. This would be far less risky than getting in to a stand-up clinch battle with Ludwig where he may not have as much success as he did against Wisnewski, who did manage to land some good shots on Neer and at times locked on a plum and did some damage (although his height and reach advantage certainly helped with this which Ludwig wont have). Undoubtedly the best position for Neer to be in this fight would be on top working his GnP, and worst position would be to get in to a striking match at distance where Ludwig would have a better chance of picking him apart. It’s unlikely that Ludwig will look to take Neer down, although he did mix in a couple of takedowns against Sadollah so he may do the same against Neer. However, Neer has a very aggressive guard, he subbed Danzig off his back and the triangle is his go to move when on the ground and is very adept at it, so Ludwig would potentially be in trouble even if he was on top. Ludwig’s takedown defence and overall grappling defence has undoubtedly improved over the last couple of years. I think the first round loss to Beerbohm made Ludwig realise that he needed to work on this aspect of the game. But the fact that Neer is so dangerous against the cage with his elbows means that Neer can attempt takedowns against the cage and even if he is not successful he can still work his elbows and dirty boxing. This means that Ludwig has to worry about two different modes of attack when defending against the cage. I also don’t expect Neer to gas like Osipczak did or be as half-hearted as Sadollah seemed to be in his fight against Ludwig. Everything Sadollah threw had no pop in it, his defence was terrible (no head-movement or footwork and kept his right hand down so Ludwig connected with the left hook time and time again) and his takedown attempts where horrible. He still arguably managed to steal the last round as Ludwig slowed down a lot. Neer on the other hand has shown that he can still be dangerous in the later periods of fights (see Din Thomas, Joe Daddy fights). Should also bare in mind that Neer who has been described the past as a wannabe Diaz brother with his taunting and smack talk has ironically spent some of his camp training with Diaz bros (has fought Nick and Nate in past), Melendez, Roberts, etc… at Cesar Gracie camp, sharpening his game (hopefully stand-up defence and ground game specifically)!
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    • gabe
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 09-12-11
      • 7405

      #3642
      I'm with you on Schilling. First round submission. Then he's gonna hook up with Rhonda Rousey.
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      • FightFightFight
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 03-21-11
        • 594

        #3643
        Neers wrestling sucks. Really surprised you see him taking this down. Ludwig is no world beater, wrestlingwise, but this fight is designed to be a stand up brawl.
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        • BIGDAY
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 02-17-10
          • 48245

          #3644
          Ludwig's tdd is horrible in my opinion.
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          • sideloaded
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 08-21-10
            • 7561

            #3645
            Originally posted by BIGDAY
            Ludwig's tdd is horrible in my opinion.
            It was, but he's taking his camps way serious now
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            • BallinBlades
              SBR Hustler
              • 01-15-12
              • 95

              #3646
              Vaughy, Could you please use a dictionary? What is defence? Practice what you preach beach!
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              • FightFightFight
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 03-21-11
                • 594

                #3647
                Who is Vaughy?
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                • NunyaBidness
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 07-26-09
                  • 9345

                  #3648
                  Originally posted by BallinBlades
                  Vaughy, Could you please use a dictionary? What is defence? Practice what you preach beach!
                  You do realize that defense and defence are completely interchangeable and both correct, right?

                  Definition, Synonyms, Translations of defence by The Free Dictionary
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                  • Beelzebubzy
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 06-06-11
                    • 6995

                    #3649
                    Originally posted by NunyaBidness
                    You do realize that defense and defence are completely interchangeable and both correct, right?

                    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/defence
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                    • Vaughany
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 03-07-10
                      • 45563

                      #3650
                      Originally posted by BallinBlades
                      Vaughy, Could you please use a dictionary? What is defence? Practice what you preach beach!
                      Yes because that's the same as atroshis!
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                      • Vaughany
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 03-07-10
                        • 45563

                        #3651
                        Originally posted by FightFightFight
                        Neers wrestling sucks. Really surprised you see him taking this down. Ludwig is no world beater, wrestlingwise, but this fight is designed to be a stand up brawl.
                        His wrestling has always been his main weakness, but mainly in not being able to stop the take-down by his opponent.
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                        • Vaughany
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 03-07-10
                          • 45563

                          #3652
                          Originally posted by gabe
                          I'm with you on Schilling. First round submission. Then he's gonna hook up with Rhonda Rousey.
                          But Gabe, he said this.... “I really don’t feel that much pressure. I feel like this is a great opportunity that it’s a win-win situation for me,” he said.

                          Surely that means he'll be happy losing and doesn't have any motivation like Belfort??!
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                          • gabe
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 09-12-11
                            • 7405

                            #3653
                            Originally posted by Vaughany
                            But Gabe, he said this.... “I really don’t feel that much pressure. I feel like this is a great opportunity that it’s a win-win situation for me,” he said. Surely that means he'll be happy losing and doesn't have any motivation like Belfort??!
                            being in a win-win situation doesn't mean you're not motivated to get the win that matters lol

                            pineda is really good, but i like this dude slightly better. won't be surprised if he loses though. not gonna go big on him. this should be a great fight to watch, for sure.

                            i just added the ", for sure." to that sentence, so now it's likely to end with a guillotine after a boring three minutes.
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                            • Vaughany
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 03-07-10
                              • 45563

                              #3654
                              Originally posted by gabe
                              being in a win-win situation doesn't mean you're not motivated to get the win that matters lol

                              pineda is really good, but i like this dude slightly better. won't be surprised if he loses though. not gonna go big on him. this should be a great fight to watch, for sure.

                              i just added the ", for sure." to that sentence, so now it's likely to end with a guillotine after a boring three minutes.
                              Yeah, so why didn't u apply tht to Belfort then if that's the case?!
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                              • gabe
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 09-12-11
                                • 7405

                                #3655
                                Originally posted by Vaughany
                                Yeah, so why didn't u apply tht to Belfort then if that's the case?!
                                did i say vitor was unmotivated to win? i thought i was saying that he sounded content with losing and didn't sound hungry.

                                i guess that's the same thing, though.

                                i don't think schilling would be content with losing, though. i think anybody would take their first loss hard, especially if it's not only your first loss but your fist loss in the UFC as well. no one can take that lightly. he is happy to be in the UFC if he loses (i guess he's confident they will give him another fight) but i'm sure he's gonna do everything he possibly can to win.

                                i think pat knows he can beat pineda whereas i feel vitor thought rumble could beat him.
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                                • Vaughany
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 03-07-10
                                  • 45563

                                  #3656
                                  Originally posted by gabe
                                  did i say vitor was unmotivated to win? i thought i was saying that he sounded content with losing and didn't sound hungry.

                                  i guess that's the same thing, though.

                                  i don't think schilling would be content with losing, though. i think anybody would take their first loss hard, especially if it's not only your first loss but your fist loss in the UFC as well. no one can take that lightly. he is happy to be in the UFC if he loses (i guess he's confident they will give him another fight) but i'm sure he's gonna do everything he possibly can to win.

                                  i think pat knows he can beat pineda whereas i feel vitor thought rumble could beat him.
                                  I'll still be arbing out if I get the opportunity (if Pineda gets close to evens). I do think Schilling's grappling will be slightly superior but Pineda has a wrestling background himself and the experience alone may cancel out Schilling's advantages. Hopefully Schilling gets more action from casual bettors when they see that Pineda has been susceptible to being submitted in the past and that that is Schilling's specialty.
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                                  • gabe
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 09-12-11
                                    • 7405

                                    #3657
                                    Originally posted by Vaughany
                                    I'll still be arbing out if I get the opportunity (if Pineda gets close to evens). I do think Schilling's grappling will be slightly superior but Pineda has a wrestling background himself and the experience alone may cancel out Schilling's advantages. Hopefully Schilling gets more action from casual bettors when they see that Pineda has been susceptible to being submitted in the past and that that is Schilling's specialty.
                                    I'm new to the whole idea of arbing and not sure I get it... if the line moves and offers a better line for Pineda, you would take that, just to make a few bucks, instead of taking a gamble and winning a lot or losing a lot?
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                                    • Vaughany
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 03-07-10
                                      • 45563

                                      #3658
                                      Originally posted by gabe
                                      I'm new to the whole idea of arbing and not sure I get it... if the line moves and offers a better line for Pineda, you would take that, just to make a few bucks, instead of taking a gamble and winning a lot or losing a lot?
                                      Pretty much. Obviously, I don't/wouldn't always do it, sometimes the original line you get is worth taking the risk. For instance with Ross Pearson against Assuncao I maxed out on the Pearson opening line of -180 knowing (with considerable certainty) that he would get action all the way up to -275 to -325 range, so would have the opportunity to arb out with Assuncao at +290 or something for a risk free profit on either or both if I wished. But in tht particular case I thought it was worth the risk just leaving it as a straight up bet as I saw value in Pearson up to -200 range and fortunately it worked out. Sometimes though it is better to arb out - with Hominick I got the opener at -280, again knowing that it would end up at -400 to -500 range. As I was confident with my other bets on the card (mostly with Mir finishing Nog) I let it ride, which ended up being a mistake by not arbing out with Korean Zombie at +450 or whatever. Overall though, when you have a fight with two newcomers like this Schilling/Pineda fight I think it's best to either bet small, or look for arb opportunities for a guaranteed smaller profit. Way I look it at is that although the guaranteed smaller profit from arbing may seem small in comparison to what u could of won if you'd of not arbed out, it can still be used as a kind of back-up/insurance to betting on something which has potential for larger gains - such as betting on Jim Miller Submission of the Night at +500, or on a parlay or something along those lines for example. So say I arb out of Pineda at Evens and have a guaranteed 2 units if Pineda wins or guaranteed 3 units if Schilling wins I may just use that guaranteed 2 units on a long-shot prop or something.
                                      Last edited by Vaughany; 01-18-12, 05:09 AM.
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                                      • Vaughany
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 03-07-10
                                        • 45563

                                        #3659
                                        Originally posted by Vaughany
                                        UFC on FX 1 play:


                                        10 units on Schilling at +140 to win 14 units.


                                        Pineda has a big experience advantage but I think Schilling is worth a play at these odds....has a decent chance to get the submission in this one. Down to +115 now on BM

                                        Adding:


                                        1.2 units on Neer at +130 to win 1.56 units.


                                        Small play at moment. I was expecting it to stay better than +110 for a bit longer. May add more later, or play Neer Inside Distance hedged with fight goes distance.
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                                        • Vaughany
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 03-07-10
                                          • 45563

                                          #3660
                                          Very interesting and insightful video on Kamal Shalorus' build up to fight... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ2Go...ayer_embedded#!

                                          Gives a clear indication of his game-plan for this fight. He is going to look to go back to using his base - wrestling, which he has not utilized in last few fights. Wants to take his opponent down and finish him there
                                          Last edited by Vaughany; 01-18-12, 08:59 AM.
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                                          • Beelzebubzy
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 06-06-11
                                            • 6995

                                            #3661
                                            Originally posted by Vaughany
                                            Very interesting and insightful video on Kamal Shalorus' build up to fight... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ2Go...ayer_embedded#!

                                            Gives a clear indication of his game-plan for this fight. He is going to look to go back to using his base - wrestling, which he has not utilized in last few fights. Wants to take his opponent down and finish him there
                                            Rumble Johnson said he wanted to stand and trade with Hardy
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                                            • Vaughany
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 03-07-10
                                              • 45563

                                              #3662
                                              Originally posted by Beelzebubzy
                                              Rumble Johnson said he wanted to stand and trade with Hardy
                                              Completely different scenario and context though. Rumble said he was gonna stand and trade to make Hardy (who is a rather one dimensional striker) think he wasnt going to use his base - wrestling. Shalorus is in fact doing the complete opposite to Rumble and admitting that he is going to use his base - wrestling.
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                                              • Beelzebubzy
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 06-06-11
                                                • 6995

                                                #3663
                                                Originally posted by Vaughany
                                                Completely different scenario and context though. Rumble said he was gonna stand and trade to make Hardy (who is a rather one dimensional striker) think he wasnt going to use his base - wrestling. Shalorus is in fact doing the complete opposite to Rumble and admitting that he is going to use his strength.
                                                right, and he could do the exact opposite and stand and trade.
                                                Rumble bluffed and Shalarous could be bluffing too.

                                                I think Kamal shouldnt; his job is on the line here most likely
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                                                • Vaughany
                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                  • 03-07-10
                                                  • 45563

                                                  #3664
                                                  Originally posted by Beelzebubzy
                                                  right, and he could do the exact opposite and stand and trade.
                                                  Rumble bluffed and Shalarous could be bluffing too.

                                                  I think Kamal shouldnt; his job is on the line here most likely
                                                  Well he could, as he says at the start of the video he tends to go in with a game-plan and completely ignore it as soon as the bell rings. But why would he bluff about it when even if he stands and trades it may actually be a better spot for him as Nurma's main strength is his grappling as well.
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                                                  • gabe
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 09-12-11
                                                    • 7405

                                                    #3665
                                                    Originally posted by Vaughany
                                                    Pretty much. Obviously, I don't/wouldn't always do it, sometimes the original line you get is worth taking the risk. For instance with Ross Pearson against Assuncao I maxed out on the Pearson opening line of -180 knowing (with considerable certainty) that he would get action all the way up to -275 to -325 range, so would have the opportunity to arb out with Assuncao at +290 or something for a risk free profit on either or both if I wished. But in tht particular case I thought it was worth the risk just leaving it as a straight up bet as I saw value in Pearson up to -200 range and fortunately it worked out. Sometimes though it is better to arb out - with Hominick I got the opener at -280, again knowing that it would end up at -400 to -500 range. As I was confident with my other bets on the card (mostly with Mir finishing Nog) I let it ride, which ended up being a mistake by not arbing out with Korean Zombie at +450 or whatever. Overall though, when you have a fight with two newcomers like this Schilling/Pineda fight I think it's best to either bet small, or look for arb opportunities for a guaranteed smaller profit. Way I look it at is that although the guaranteed smaller profit from arbing may seem small in comparison to what u could of won if you'd of not arbed out, it can still be used as a kind of back-up/insurance to betting on something which has potential for larger gains - such as betting on Jim Miller Submission of the Night at +500, or on a parlay or something along those lines for example. So say I arb out of Pineda at Evens and have a guaranteed 2 units if Pineda wins or guaranteed 3 units if Schilling wins I may just use that guaranteed 2 units on a long-shot prop or something.
                                                    nice, thx
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                                                    • NunyaBidness
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 07-26-09
                                                      • 9345

                                                      #3666
                                                      Originally posted by Beelzebubzy
                                                      Rumble Johnson said he wanted to stand and trade with Hardy
                                                      Don't remember who said this first, but I think its true. When a fighter says he's going to stand and bang you can't put any stock in it because it's the exciting thing to say, when a fighter says he's going to lay n pray you can be pretty sure its true because no one is hoping for that outcome.
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                                                      • Vaughany
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 03-07-10
                                                        • 45563

                                                        #3667
                                                        Adding:


                                                        Parlay: 1.62 units on Sonnen (-333.33), Nick Diaz (-150), & Ben Henderson (+110) to win 5.751 units.
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                                                        • Beelzebubzy
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 06-06-11
                                                          • 6995

                                                          #3668
                                                          Hey V,

                                                          I have not seen any video on Schilling or Pineda but can you explain your reasoning for liking this pick?
                                                          a quick sherdog glance shows schilling's competition is rather weak and inexperienced whereas Pineda has shown to be sub defense retarded.
                                                          However, I do not know their styles at all.
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                                                          • Vaughany
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 03-07-10
                                                            • 45563

                                                            #3669
                                                            Originally posted by Beelzebubzy
                                                            Hey V,

                                                            I have not seen any video on Schilling or Pineda but can you explain your reasoning for liking this pick?
                                                            a quick sherdog glance shows schilling's competition is rather weak and inexperienced whereas Pineda has shown to be sub defense retarded.
                                                            However, I do not know their styles at all.
                                                            I posted a video of one of Schilling's fights above or on previous page. I simply took Schilling because he was at +140 and I think the fight should be closer to 50/50, with Pineda perhaps only a slight favourite due to his experience. I was counting on Schilling getting some action (due to Pineda's tendency in past to be submitted as you allude to) and pushing Pineda's line closer to evens which has happened to a certain extent but not as much as much as I'd hoped, but I can still arb out with Pineda at -120 if I wish and have a risk free play on Schilling for 2 units profit. Both fighters have a wrestling background, although I think Schilling's grappling is slightly better in terms of being able to transition from one position to another. Overall though, it's tough to know either way so I probably will be arbing - though if I had to choose I'd take Schilling.
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                                                            • Beelzebubzy
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 06-06-11
                                                              • 6995

                                                              #3670
                                                              Originally posted by Vaughany
                                                              I posted a video of one of Schilling's fights above or on previous page. I simply took Schilling because he was at +140 and I think the fight should be closer to 50/50, with Pineda perhaps only a slight favourite due to his experience. I was counting on Schilling getting some action (due to Pineda's tendency in past to be submitted as you allude to) and pushing Pineda's line closer to evens which has happened to a certain extent but not as much as much as I'd hoped, but I can still arb out with Pineda at -120 if I wish and have a risk free play on Schilling for 2 units profit. Both fighters have a wrestling background, although I think Schilling's grappling is slightly better in terms of being able to transition from one position to another. Overall though, it's tough to know either way so I probably will be arbing - though if I had to choose I'd take Schilling.
                                                              cool, thanks,
                                                              I cant see videos, they are blocked here
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                                                              • koscheckbaby
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 04-05-10
                                                                • 1314

                                                                #3671
                                                                her way then decision so I've already taken Bisping by decision at +108 and will most likely use this as a hedge to plays on Maia. Bisping has finished his last two opponents mainly because they both gassed after a round, but also because Bisping took more chances and was more aggressive than usual. I believe the reasoning behind his aggression (less elusive style) and sitting behind his punches more was partly because Bisping wasn't concerned about Rivera or even Miller's grappling threat (or stand-up), and more so perhaps because he genuinely disliked both guys, especially Rivera, so wanted to finish and make a statement emphatically
                                                                You know me. I think Bisping is an absolute pussy. I would shocked if there wasn't shitstains in his shorts after those Leben and Hendo fights. He ran from them like a woman in a slasher film.

                                                                Think his performance vs Rivera was more a component of the 5 ******* takedowns that pussy went for in the first round(as I predicted). If Rivera wasn't so easy to takedown, Bisping would have ran from him too, until he gassed of course.

                                                                Bisping doesn't shit himself versus the none heavy hitters or guys he can takedown. I think he deserves the nickname "Bully" more than Gray. What makes this Sonnen fight interesting to me is Sonnen is pillowfisted, so Bisping won't be scared and will probably be more aggressive than ever, considering he has nothing to lose as the huge underdog on short notice. If you don't have heavy hands, Bisping looks like a world beater, since he can push away his fear of being hit.

                                                                Would love to have seen Brian Stann or Vitor Belfort vs Bisping. I'd literally give him close to 0 percent chance in those ones. Stann's strong as ****, so Bisping's shoddy doublelegs wouldn't work on him. And Stann is much faster than Leben, as we saw, so Bisping couldn't hightail it all fight. Belfort vs Bisping, he'd have a slight chance simply because Belfort is mentally weak. But he's not surviving any initial flurries.
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                                                                • Vaughany
                                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                                  • 03-07-10
                                                                  • 45563

                                                                  #3672
                                                                  Ludwig now +102 underdog on pinnacle
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                                                                  • gabe
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 09-12-11
                                                                    • 7405

                                                                    #3673
                                                                    Brother V, what is your biggest play of the night? Neer?

                                                                    I'm following you on Neer and Schiller.
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                                                                    • Vaughany
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 03-07-10
                                                                      • 45563

                                                                      #3674
                                                                      Originally posted by gabe
                                                                      Brother V, what is your biggest play of the night? Neer?

                                                                      I'm following you on Neer and Schiller.
                                                                      I've not gone big on anything yet. Just arbed out of Schiller with Pineda at -120 as there are too many unknowns. I'll be putting Camoes in a couple parlays for sure though - he's the one I'm most confident wins and actually think -310 to -325 isnt bad value. If this fight was headlining one of BallinBlades' Bumfuck Idaho Extreme Fight Nights! Camoes would probably be -400 to -500 range. Hayden IMO is clearly a step down from Escudero and even Steve Lopez.
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                                                                      • gabe
                                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                        • 09-12-11
                                                                        • 7405

                                                                        #3675
                                                                        Originally posted by Vaughany
                                                                        I've not gone big on anything yet. Just arbed out of Schiller with Pineda at -120 as there are too many unknowns. I'll be putting Camoes in a couple parlays for sure though - he's the one I'm most confident wins and actually think -310 to -325 isnt bad value. If this fight was headlining one of BallinBlades' Bumfuck Idaho Extreme Fight Nights! Camoes would probably be -400 to -500 range. Hayden IMO is clearly a step down from Escudero and even Steve Lopez.
                                                                        He's a featherweight fighting at lightweight on late notice. Should get dominated.
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