how? Phil davis outstriking evans?
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On the ground, sure.Originally posted by bjpenn85Comment -
I think Evans wrestling is superior. I most likely will be playing Evans by dec.Originally posted by gabeComment -
It seems like Jones vs Evans is inevitable, but I think Mr. Wonderful is going to surprise everybody.
If you think Evans is going to win, then you are stupid for not maxing that great line.Comment -
I lean Evans, but I fully expect him to end up on his back at least once. That being said, even during his college career, Davis was never the most talented takedown artist, but was absolutely amazing defensively and in scrambles. He honestly probably created more takedowns from stuffed shots than being offensive himself. Against lower level wrestlers like most of the UFC his takedowns are top shelf, but against a fellow NCAA wrestler, they are capable of being stopped (Little Nog even stuffed a fair amount of Mr Wonderful's doubles in the first round, and only started to struggle once Phil switched to a single). This, coupled with a gaping advantage to Rashad in the standup, has me backing Rashad in this one.
The only thing that scares me is that Davis improves every fight, and even though its not likely, its not outside of the realm of possibilty to see him with a few new dimensions to his game after this long of a layoff.Comment -
but davis ground hasnt translated well enough into MMA IMO. Just look at his recent fights, do you believe he can beat rashad after what you have seen in his last performances? when people like vaughany...going big on someone, you should think twice..am i doing the right thing here?Comment -
Well, i am going with Evans, not so confident like Vaughany, but in a 5 rounds fight, the only way i can see Davis winning is on the ground, if he could beat Evans wrestling, which i doubt.Comment -
Good to see another Juve fan around!Originally posted by Digo
Are u from Italia?Comment -
Juventus!
Millwall!Comment -
You Juventus fans should enjoy your position in the table while it lasts
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Vaug, at skybet, Chael sonnen is available @ 1.29. The line will probably not improve IMO. I parleyd him with Ellenberger. Pretty happy about that.Comment -
Yeah already maxed the -333.33 opener in a parlay with Diaz and Henderson, and got the -350 in a double with Ellenberger as wellOriginally posted by bjpenn85
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haha Yeah to be honest I dont think it will last for long! We don't look that good at all really...somebody is going to exploit some of our weaknesses sooner than later, starting with Roma beating us in the Coppa Italia on Tuesday as well. Although I like Master Conte, I don't like how he isn't giving Elia any opportunities yet has brough Krasic back in to the squad who is HOPELESS! One of the major things we lack is pace/athleticism which is what Elia could bring to the table. Classic Juve tho, sign a player like him then hardly play him and sell him on to somebody in England where he'll probably shine a la Henry at Arsenal! Lichsteiner is proving to be a great signing though - one of best right backs/wingbacks in the world IMO.Originally posted by Mr.KittyYou Juventus fans should enjoy your position in the table while it lastsComment -
Yeah Lichsteiner is very solid both defensively and when attacking. Not sure about Elia tho, have not seen enough of him to form an opinion. Krasic SUCKS, that I know
was terrifying to read the roumors about Ranieri and Moratti wanting to buy him now in January. Hopefully not on the map anymore.
My thoughts behind my previous statement is that all teams go through a hard period with bad form during a season. Inter and Milan had theirs already while Juventus have not. It will come sometime this spring.Comment -
Yeah it will happen eventually. I'm also not getting the Borriello signing. He doesnt really offer anything different. What we needed was a striker with pace and ability to beat the offside trap and at same time can hold the ball up as well.Originally posted by Mr.KittyYeah Lichsteiner is very solid both defensively and when attacking. Not sure about Elia tho, have not seen enough of him to form an opinion. Krasic SUCKS, that I know was terrifying to read the roumors about Ranieri and Moratti wanting to buy him now in January. Hopefully not on the map anymore.
My thoughts behind my previous statement is that all teams go through a hard period with bad form during a season. Inter and Milan had theirs already while Juventus have not. It will come sometime this spring.Comment -
Yeah Borriello seems to be a better fit in a medium size club. Liked him a lot when he played for Genoa.Originally posted by Vaughany
Last weekend when he came in against Cagliari the swedish commentator said as Borriello came running onto the pitch "Marco Borriello is good looking"...and realizing what he just said might sound gay he added "according many" after a short pause, haha
Guess he dident have anything positive to say about his skillz on the football field
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hahaha To be fair he is a handsome swine! No homo!Originally posted by Mr.KittyYeah Borriello seems to be a better fit in a medium size club. Liked him a lot when he played for Genoa.
Last weekend when he came in against Cagliari the swedish commentator said as Borriello came running onto the pitch "Marco Borriello is good looking"...and realizing what he just said might sound gay he added "according many" after a short pause, haha
Guess he dident have anything positive to say about his skillz on the football fieldComment -
Yeah that mushroom haircut is really working for him! He has a pretty hot girlfriend (like most decent sports pros seems to have) golddiggers!Originally posted by Vaughany
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ha yeah great cut! He's like the knew Vieri apparently...has banged every model/golddigger in Italy!Originally posted by Mr.KittyYeah that mushroom haircut is really working for him! He has a pretty hot girlfriend (like most decent sports pros seems to have) golddiggers!Comment -
Adding:
10.301 units on Russow at -160 to win 6.438 units.Comment -
i like that betComment -
Originally posted by Vaughany
nice. already at -210.Comment -
Originally posted by gabeOriginally posted by PunisherIND
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You and Gabe move lines!Comment -
haha Sportbet move their lines soon as a couple hundred dollars is placed! They dont mess aroundComment -
5dimes would move their lines when i threw 100 bucks on them...Originally posted by Vaughany
yea i can't bet more than 100 bucks on einemo.Comment -
Got Diaz at -150 in a parlay with Sonnen and Henderson and got Condit in another parlay. Main play will probably be FOTN at +300 or better.Originally posted by BeelzebubzyComment -
i would say there's no way you can get fotn at +300, but jorgensen/barao could get some of the action.
still doubt you get it though, diaz is a fotn machine.Comment -
Can pretty much guarantee that one of paddypower, sportingbet, skybet, or William Hill will have FOTN at +300. And Diaz has only been in one FOTN as far am Im aware?Originally posted by v1yComment -
Record Review:Originally posted by Vaughany
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Total profit (excluding arbs): +555.469 unitsComment -
Originally posted by gabeOriginally posted by more_betternessOriginally posted by bjpenn85For me, the fact that it's a 5 round fight makes a big difference. If it was three rounds I'd say there is a reasonable chance Davis gets a close 29-28 or something just by getting the odd take-down and wall and stalling Rashad. But to do tht for 5 rounds is a big task. I find it hard to imagine Davis choking Rashad out (although this may be his best option during a scramble or something) and even harder to imagine him TKO/KO'ing Evans unless he lands one of his right head kicks that he likes to do (could happen if Evans completely overlooks him). One of the key things for me is that Davis has been matched-up with guys who are not the most athletic and quite flat-footed - the opposite of Rashad Evans. Initially he fought three guys with limited wrestling ability in Stann (small LHW now a Middleweight), a very raw Gustaffsson and Rodney Wallace (a chubby LHW with poor cardio). The UFC then stepped it up by giving Davis Tim Boetsch who does have a wrestling background, however aside from being undersized at LHW, he has always struggled and lost to fellow wrestlers in Matyushenko, Brilz and Hamill so stylistically was a good match-up for the superior grappler in Davis. And most recently, Lil Nog was another a fight that wasn't that bad stylistically for Davis seeing as we'd witnessed Nog struggle with lesser wrestlers than Davis in Bader and Brilz before. And like his brother, Lil Nog has never been the most athletic fighter yet he was still able to stuff Davis' early takedown attempts. To Davis' credit he showed how adaptable he can be by switching things up and getting the takedowns in Round 2 and 3 though, and he'd had a bad camp where he had to deal with injuries including his back which undoubtedly impacted on his takedown explosiveness. But Lil Nog being a BJJ guy and not particularly athletic is not the type to automatically spring back to his feet and he'll happily work off his back and look for subs or trying and stall his opponent. After Davis got his first single leg takedown on Nog, Nog was able to kick Davis off and had a great opportunity to get back to his feet but just wasnt athletic enough to do it. Evans on the other hand won't mess around and will always look to use the cage or even the slightest chance to get right back to his feet as soon as he is taken down, and is usually successful. However, this is why I think Davis' best chance may well be to look for the submission as Rashad will take chances and scrambles to get back to his feet. Im sure many will say Davis has no chance of subbing Rashad seeing as Davis is a blue-belt and Rashad is a Rolles Gracie black-belt, has never been subbed and has a huge experience advantage, but Davis like Jones is a bit of an anomaly when it comes to grappling due to his size and length. As we saw in the Boetsch fight, Davis is very creative with his submissions and if he can take Rashad's back or lock in a guillotine during a scramble there is a small chance Rashad taps. As impressive as Davis' sub of Gustaffsson was, we should bare in mind that Gustaffsson was very raw at this point and had not yet trained with Alliance. Even still, although Gustaffsson's offensive grappling has been impressive, defensively there are still question marks as he was taken down early by James Te-Huna.Originally posted by Digo
Davis likes to throw kicks, especially right head and body kick that can open him up for counter left staight and left-hook (which happens to be Rashad's favourite striking technique). Nog was able to counter a couple of times but wasn't quick enough. Rashad is quick enough and is solid at countering with hooks. Against Griffin, Rashad used his left jab and straight right to good effect, and finished the fight with GnP after landing a straight right from catching a Griffin right body kick. I also like how Evans has also now added more body shots, knees and elbows to his game (more of a Muay Thai style rather than kickboxing) since training with Spong and Henry Hooft.
For anybody who wants to watch it again the Davis/Nog fight can be seen here... http://www.fightsarena.com/2011/03/2...night-live-24/Comment -
"However, this is why I think Davis' best chance may well be to look for the submission as Rashad will take chances and scrambles to get back to his feet. Im sure many will say Davis has no chance of subbing Rashad seeing as Davis is a blue-belt and Rashad is a Rolles Gracie black-belt, has never been subbed and has a huge experience advantage, but Davis like Jones is a bit of an anomaly when it comes to grappling due to his size and length."
Its exactly what i think, if i was you, after a big play on Rashad, to make a backup with Davis SOTN would be a good idea.Comment -
Yes SirrrOriginally posted by caveira Maia/Weidman should cancel each other out, and I cant see Bisping subbing Sonnen.
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Would you be willing to write up what makes you so confident in Russow over Einemo? I agree with the pick. 10 units sounds like you're extremely confident though.
Russow is a grinder that is extremely difficult to finish, so he seems dangerous at HW, where people gas out like crazy. But skillwise, he hasn't looked anything special. Duffee was beating him around like a pinata and Madsen seemed badly out of shape. Einemo gassed badly against Herman, but he is known for extremely high level BJJ and I doubt Russow has the ability on the feet that Herman has, and I thought Einemo had his moments(But I've misremembered before).
Would say that Einemo will likely gas out and be pounded out or even beat straight up, since Russow has shown a chin and a lot of heart. But is it inconceivable that Einemo gets the sub or wins the standup to a decision?Comment -
Im not tht confident...just confident that the Russow would get action so maxed the -160 opener. Currently can get Einemo at +180. If he reaches +200 I'll arb out most probably. Russow in theory should have the wrestling to keep it standing. But even then Russow doesnt necessarily have tht much better stand-up than Einemo so he isnt guaranteed to win if it does stay standing. I do think he has more power in his punches tho than Herman, although isnt as quick or athletic as PeeWee.Originally posted by koscheckbabyComment
