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  • Hugo de Naranja
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 04-14-16
    • 14140

    #351
    Originally posted by xagonzx
    Porier-Bisping parlay is +135 or so. I think that's a good wager, and very easy to hedge if Porier hits first and you have a decent sized bet. Hendo's path to victory is only a KO in my opinion.
    I like the idea but I'm going to wait for Bisping -3.5 to get a little better value. I think he either gets KO'ed or wins by a very wide decision/gets a finish. I like a Poirier/Brunson Parlay. Hit that for a unit yesterday at (+165).
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    • xagonzx
      SBR Sharp
      • 04-26-16
      • 283

      #352
      Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
      I like the idea but I'm going to wait for Bisping -3.5 to get a little better value. I think he either gets KO'ed or wins by a very wide decision/gets a finish. I like a Poirier/Brunson Parlay. Hit that for a unit yesterday at (+165).
      Bisping -3.5 would be better value for sure, but I doubt the line for that will be out before Saturday and I feel good about Porier so I decided to pull the trigger now.
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      • Hugo de Naranja
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 04-14-16
        • 14140

        #353
        Originally posted by xagonzx
        Bisping -3.5 would be better value for sure, but I doubt the line for that will be out before Saturday and I feel good about Porier so I decided to pull the trigger now.
        One thing you can to solve this problem is making an open parlay. That means you take create a parlay with some selections that are currently on the board and select the option to have open spaces in the parlay so you can finish it later. For instance, since I like the value on Poirier I made two 3-team open parlays that consist of Poirier and 2 open spots. When I find other selections I like later in the year, I can add them to that parlay. I'll probably add Bisping -3.5 to one of them when that prop comes out in a few weeks.
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        • bjpenn85
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 02-17-11
          • 5059

          #354
          This option was stripped at least for me approx 4 weeks ago. Constructing parlays are quite difficult now in comparison, i am pretty conservative with parlays. I do like the Brunson/Poirier parlay though, it should hit.
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          • getlucky2win
            SBR MVP
            • 01-14-12
            • 1118

            #355
            Originally posted by bjpenn85
            This option was stripped at least for me approx 4 weeks ago. Constructing parlays are quite difficult now in comparison, i am pretty conservative with parlays. I do like the Brunson/Poirier parlay though, it should hit.
            Yeah it's funny that they cut winners off of open parlays and open teasers. And cut limits. then eventually boot u. The teasers are what really hurt as I don't bet many parlays. But i bet fckloads of teasers
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            • bjpenn85
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 02-17-11
              • 5059

              #356
              Originally posted by getlucky2win
              Yeah it's funny that they cut winners off of open parlays and open teasers. And cut limits. then eventually boot u. The teasers are what really hurt as I don't bet many parlays. But i bet fckloads of teasers
              What is teaser? How do you use them?
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              • xagonzx
                SBR Sharp
                • 04-26-16
                • 283

                #357
                Originally posted by bjpenn85
                What is teaser? How do you use them?
                I forgot you had mentioned being restricted on parlays, sorry!

                A teaser is used for spread-betting (basketball, football mainly). It's a parlay, with an enhanced line for the spread but a lower payout.
                For a random example, making up numbers:
                Team A has a point spread of +1.5 (-110) . Team B has a point spread of +2 (-110).
                -A parlay of these would need both teams to cover their respective spreads (+1.5 & 2) and would pay +265 or so.
                -- Say you aren't so confident that those spreads aren't quite enough. You can make a "teaser" bet, say of +5. That means Team A's spread is now +6.5 and teams B's is +7. Both teams still have to hit to win the bet, but the odds are now ~-120.

                I also use them a bit during basketball season. You can use more than 2 teams, but it's simpler to explain with less teams. Hope it made sense.
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                • xagonzx
                  SBR Sharp
                  • 04-26-16
                  • 283

                  #358
                  Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
                  One thing you can to solve this problem is making an open parlay. That means you take create a parlay with some selections that are currently on the board and select the option to have open spaces in the parlay so you can finish it later. For instance, since I like the value on Poirier I made two 3-team open parlays that consist of Poirier and 2 open spots. When I find other selections I like later in the year, I can add them to that parlay. I'll probably add Bisping -3.5 to one of them when that prop comes out in a few weeks.
                  Damn you Hugo!... haha. Great idea though, I didn't think of that. I actually made the parlay at Bovada which doesn't even have the -3.5 option. But I will likely take your advice with my 5 dimes account, as i like the idea. Thanks!
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                  • bjpenn85
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 02-17-11
                    • 5059

                    #359
                    Originally posted by xagonzx
                    I forgot you had mentioned being restricted on parlays, sorry!

                    A teaser is used for spread-betting (basketball, football mainly). It's a parlay, with an enhanced line for the spread but a lower payout.
                    For a random example, making up numbers:
                    Team A has a point spread of +1.5 (-110) . Team B has a point spread of +2 (-110).
                    -A parlay of these would need both teams to cover their respective spreads (+1.5 & 2) and would pay +265 or so.
                    -- Say you aren't so confident that those spreads aren't quite enough. You can make a "teaser" bet, say of +5. That means Team A's spread is now +6.5 and teams B's is +7. Both teams still have to hit to win the bet, but the odds are now ~-120.

                    I also use them a bit during basketball season. You can use more than 2 teams, but it's simpler to explain with less teams. Hope it made sense.
                    I didnt understand anything of that. Whats the upside with getting lower value if both have to hit? -110 + -110 is +265 , that i understand.

                    The rest makes no sense.
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                    • bjpenn85
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 02-17-11
                      • 5059

                      #360
                      Addig:

                      3 units on Chas skelly, Belal Muhammed @ evens to win - 3 units

                      Im so pissed of not getting Belal Muhammed at -250...so mad. Both fighters meets cans. Its can city, if anyone of these guys looses its good old variance. Both skelly and Muhammed is way better, odds reflect that.
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                      • getlucky2win
                        SBR MVP
                        • 01-14-12
                        • 1118

                        #361
                        teasers are great for nfl. basically u are buying pts on multiple teams and parlaying them. google should answer any questions if you are interested
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                        • Hugo de Naranja
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 04-14-16
                          • 14140

                          #362
                          Originally posted by bjpenn85
                          I didnt understand anything of that. Whats the upside with getting lower value if both have to hit? -110 + -110 is +265 , that i understand.

                          The rest makes no sense.
                          Teasers make each parlay leg easier to hit. They essentially give you more room for error. If a team is a (+2) dog and they lose by 5, a bet against the original spread would lose. But with a +4 teaser you get a wider spread where the (+2) dog would cover since the teaser spread is (+6). Since the extra points cushion makes it easier to hit each leg, the value is lower and you have to do multiple legs to get the same value as a regular spread play.
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                          • xagonzx
                            SBR Sharp
                            • 04-26-16
                            • 283

                            #363
                            Originally posted by bjpenn85
                            I didnt understand anything of that. Whats the upside with getting lower value if both have to hit? -110 + -110 is +265 , that i understand.

                            The rest makes no sense.
                            Hugo explained it more in depth in the comment above this one. Basically, it gives you a wider point-spread, which makes it more likely to hit, which is why it is reduced odds. Using my example still, it's easier for the teams to cover +6.5 & +7 spreads than it is for them to cover the original +1.5 and +2 spreads.
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                            • bjpenn85
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 02-17-11
                              • 5059

                              #364
                              Originally posted by bjpenn85
                              Addig:

                              3 units on Chas skelly, Belal Muhammed @ evens to win - 3 units

                              Im so pissed of not getting Belal Muhammed at -250...so mad. Both fighters meets cans. Its can city, if anyone of these guys looses its good old variance. Both skelly and Muhammed is way better, odds reflect that.
                              Im not sure im on the right side here. In hindsight i should have passed on Skelly, his striking is actually ver bad, worse than i remember. im letting it ride, but im not happy with this play, as it stands.
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                              • xagonzx
                                SBR Sharp
                                • 04-26-16
                                • 283

                                #365
                                Originally posted by bjpenn85
                                Im not sure im on the right side here. In hindsight i should have passed on Skelly, his striking is actually ver bad, worse than i remember. im letting it ride, but im not happy with this play, as it stands.
                                I think, odds aside, Skelly wins this. Not sure what you got him at, but I'm passing at the (-175) to (-185) I'm seeing him at right now. Blanco isn't very good either and they're both gritty, so can see Skelly pulling the decision out. Muhammed should handily win as well, although the odds are too high for me to even consider for now.
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                                • Hugo de Naranja
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 04-14-16
                                  • 14140

                                  #366
                                  Originally posted by bjpenn85
                                  Im not sure im on the right side here. In hindsight i should have passed on Skelly, his striking is actually ver bad, worse than i remember. im letting it ride, but im not happy with this play, as it stands.
                                  I think Skelly has a bit of value at this price. He's a fringe top 15 FW and has only lost to Bektic and Elkins. His striking is pretty meh but he's great at getting the fight to the ground and Blanco doesn't have amazing TDD. I have some suspicions that Blanco was on PEDs in the pre-USADA era and he looked terrible in his last fight. Lastly, I don't think I could ever find it in myself to bet on a guy (Blanco) who lost to Marcus Brimage.
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                                  • bjpenn85
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 02-17-11
                                    • 5059

                                    #367
                                    Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
                                    I think Skelly has a bit of value at this price. He's a fringe top 15 FW and has only lost to Bektic and Elkins. His striking is pretty meh but he's great at getting the fight to the ground and Blanco doesn't have amazing TDD. I have some suspicions that Blanco was on PEDs in the pre-USADA era and he looked terrible in his last fight. Lastly, I don't think I could ever find it in myself to bet on a guy (Blanco) who lost to Marcus Brimage.
                                    Blanco is very athletic, but, hes not talented. Winging punches etc, and Sanders was bantamweight more or less. Skelly has changed camp to blacksilianz and that should help him here. So Skelly probably should pull through. He has at least beat some credible guys and only lost to legit competition. But that striking bugs me, it doesnt look very good.
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                                    • bjpenn85
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 02-17-11
                                      • 5059

                                      #368
                                      Originally posted by bjpenn85
                                      Adding:

                                      3 units on Dustin the diamond Poirier @ 1.67 to win - 2 units

                                      I have a hang for betting fighters with momentum. Do Poirier have a significant advantage stylistically?Not really. This fight may end up as a pure kickboxing match for three rounds because of MJs excellent tdd. For three rounds i do like Poiriers pace, his striking accuracy, and if the fight ends up on the ground he may score points, even if poiriers takedowns last a couple of seconds. Or, he may be dominant and pick up a sub. MJ is really good, so if he comes in ready to fight, this can be close, but he usually loses the third round in fights that goes to a dec. That basically means that if he doesnt win the two first rounds, hes doomed. Im willing to lay down 3 units to see if that theory holds water.
                                      Ive placed 7.5 units in total of Dustin Poirier, im now buying out half of this because of hesitancy. Ive also see Johnsons chance of a TKO, and also a dec , though unlikely.

                                      Adding:

                                      2.45 units on Johnson @ 2.45 to win back - 3.5 units
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                                      • Raynor21
                                        SBR Sharp
                                        • 06-23-09
                                        • 422

                                        #369
                                        Diamond has great skills, a great chin and he improves after every fight and hasn't hit his peak yet. Either Dustin finishes or Johnson gets a decision.

                                        Or Flash KO, anything can happen, but I'm personally going with Dustin small.
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                                        • firekillex
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 09-18-13
                                          • 6420

                                          #370
                                          Very close fight , lot of people sleeping on Michael Johnson here he was on a great streak before losing to Diaz .. Lauzon , Tibau, guillard, barbosa, he beat dariush everybody knew he was robbed .. So that's a very very solid streak Imo maybe even more impressive then poriers right now , porier does look like a new beast at 55 and is coming with the momentum so I lean him but this is much much closer then people are giving credit for don't love anything over -140 for porier
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                                          • bjpenn85
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 02-17-11
                                            • 5059

                                            #371
                                            Originally posted by firekillex
                                            Very close fight , lot of people sleeping on Michael Johnson here he was on a great streak before losing to Diaz .. Lauzon , Tibau, guillard, barbosa, he beat dariush everybody knew he was robbed .. So that's a very very solid streak Imo maybe even more impressive then poriers right now , porier does look like a new beast at 55 and is coming with the momentum so I lean him but this is much much closer then people are giving credit for don't love anything over -140 for porier
                                            Dustin didnt look good enought striking wise against todd duffe, didnt look bad, but, if he didnt get tag as much i would have been more confident. Its my fear for dustin getting tagged and KOed is larger than my confidence in him having ever improving skills and the momentum he has right now. It also sucks to waste 70% of my profit from my last weekends profit on a bet im not confident in.
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                                            • Hugo de Naranja
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 04-14-16
                                              • 14140

                                              #372
                                              Originally posted by bjpenn85
                                              Dustin didnt look good enought striking wise against todd duffe, didnt look bad, but, if he didnt get tag as much i would have been more confident. Its my fear for dustin getting tagged and KOed is larger than my confidence in him having ever improving skills and the momentum he has right now. It also sucks to waste 70% of my profit from my last weekends profit on a bet im not confident in.
                                              Dustin fought UFC Heavyweight Todd Duffee? When??
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                                              • firekillex
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 09-18-13
                                                • 6420

                                                #373
                                                Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
                                                Dustin fought UFC Heavyweight Todd Duffee? When??
                                                https://www.google.com/search?site=&...-GC-wYrgBzM%3A

                                                Mustve been one of those pride fights ... Lmao kidding I'm sure he has names mixed up but not sure where Todd dufee comes from??? Maybe he's thinking Conor mcgregor
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                                                • Hugo de Naranja
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 04-14-16
                                                  • 14140

                                                  #374
                                                  Originally posted by firekillex
                                                  Mustve been one of those pride fights ... Lmao kidding I'm sure he has names mixed up but not sure where Todd dufee comes from??? Maybe he's thinking Conor mcgregor
                                                  I think he's talking about Joe Duffy since Poirier struggled a bit on the feet with him before realizing he could take Duffy down at will and beat him up on the ground.
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                                                  • firekillex
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                                                    • 09-18-13
                                                    • 6420

                                                    #375
                                                    Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
                                                    I think he's talking about Joe Duffy since Poirier struggled a bit on the feet with him before realizing he could take Duffy down at will and beat him up on the ground.
                                                    Youre right , I thought he was talking about getting kod by mcgregor , but yes the joe Duffy fight makes more sense Hugo... Porier got tagged a bit then decided to takedown Duffy and secured the win , completely different fights then this with Michael Johnson regardless.... Each fight brings new tasks and is completely different then the past/ next
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                                                    • bjpenn85
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                                                      • 02-17-11
                                                      • 5059

                                                      #376
                                                      Haha meant joe duffy yes.
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                                                      • bjpenn85
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 02-17-11
                                                        • 5059

                                                        #377
                                                        UFC Fight Night Poirier vs Johnson

                                                        7.5 units on Dustin Poirier @ 1.65 to win - 4.8 units
                                                        3 units on Chas Skelly, Belal Muhammed @ evens to win - 3 units
                                                        2.45 units on Michael Johnson @ 2.45 to win back - 3.55 units
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                                                        • bjpenn85
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 02-17-11
                                                          • 5059

                                                          #378
                                                          Originally posted by bjpenn85
                                                          UFC Fight Night Poirier vs Johnson

                                                          7.5 units on Dustin Poirier @ 1.65 to win - 4.8 units
                                                          3 units on Chas Skelly, Belal Muhammed @ evens to win - 3 units
                                                          2.45 units on Michael Johnson @ 2.45 to win back - 3.55 units
                                                          Event result: -0.9 units
                                                          Result on this thread since 7th may (2016): +64.9 units

                                                          Its easy to be swayed towards a fighter that had only for some time won by KO. Dustin Poirier is still hittable, and slow. DPs habit of getting tagged has followed him through his whole career. MJs speed was pretty obvious and its bugs me a little that i went for the sexy pick in DP. But, the decision to buy out of Poirier because his flawed defence was at least correct.

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                                                          • bjpenn85
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 02-17-11
                                                            • 5059

                                                            #379
                                                            Adding:

                                                            20 units on Louis Smolka @ 1.54 to win - 10.8 unts
                                                            Last edited by bjpenn85; 09-18-16, 01:53 PM.
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                                                            • bjpenn85
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 02-17-11
                                                              • 5059

                                                              #380
                                                              Adding:

                                                              5 units on Thiago Santos, Santos/lansberg under 1.5 rounds @ 1.54 to win - 2.8 units
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                                                              • Rich Benjamins
                                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                                • 12-15-15
                                                                • 831

                                                                #381
                                                                I made the mistake of betting on Poirier too. What might have been a red flag, is I think everyone and their dog was betting on Poirier, yet he still was only a -1.65 fav. When almost nobody is taking Johnson, but the line isn't that far apart, then maybe the view was wrong.

                                                                Same thing happened with McGregor/Diaz 2. Seemed like everyone was taking Diaz, yet McGregor was still the favorite. Smart money was coming in on McGregor, just like smart money was betting on Johnson.

                                                                Originally posted by bjpenn85
                                                                Event result: -0.9 units
                                                                Result on this thread since 7th may (2016): +64.9 units

                                                                Its easy to be swayed towards a fighter that had only for some time won by KO. Dustin Poirier is still hittable, and slow. DPs habit of getting tagged has followed him through his whole career. MJs speed was pretty obvious and its bugs me a little that i went for the sexy pick in DP. But, the decision to buy out of Poirier because his flawed defence was at least correct.

                                                                Last edited by Rich Benjamins; 09-18-16, 08:19 AM.
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                                                                • Hugo de Naranja
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 04-14-16
                                                                  • 14140

                                                                  #382
                                                                  Originally posted by bjpenn85
                                                                  Adding:

                                                                  20 units on Loius Smolka @ 1.54 to win - 10.8 unts
                                                                  I think he works Pettis over.
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                                                                  • bjpenn85
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 02-17-11
                                                                    • 5059

                                                                    #383
                                                                    Originally posted by bjpenn85
                                                                    Adding:

                                                                    20 units on Louis Smolka @ 1.54 to win - 10.8 unts

                                                                    Very few people, myself included could have foreseen the giant leap Smolka would make when he made his debut in the ufc early 2014. Smolka is first and foremost a pressure fighter that loves to grapple. His striking is abysmal imo, poor defence and low speed is some of the sad attributes. But, Smolka keeps a high pace in all his fight with his diaz brother like frame, youll easily see this man go the full three rounds without any issues. Smolka will try to grapple with Pettis and while pettis has decent ground game and probably the advantage standing, this wont be a striking competition in my eyes. Smolkas takedowns are quite good, and he sticks to his opponent like glue. Smolka does also has a healthy habit of making fights the way he wants it. Smolka wil typically chain a clinch attempt, with a submisson attempt with a new one and so on. If he doesnt get the takedown, he will easily give up his back, to falsely make his opponent advance for seconds later conquer top position. He has many routes to end up on the ground, so my prediction is that the fight will somehow some way eventually end up there. All bet involve risk, and i commonly break bankroll management rules with bets like this. I will always consider hedging or buying out based on available information. However, i need to make a move when i see gift line as this. Line did open up at -280 at sportsbook.com, so when i got the -180 line, i was like herro prrease.
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                                                                    • Igor_1965
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 04-18-15
                                                                      • 2631

                                                                      #384
                                                                      Originally posted by bjpenn85
                                                                      Adding:

                                                                      20 units on Louis Smolka @ 1.54 to win - 10.8 unts
                                                                      Glad I followed through, and didn't risk more than I already did on Pettis. Kudos!
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                                                                      • bjpenn85
                                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                        • 02-17-11
                                                                        • 5059

                                                                        #385
                                                                        Originally posted by Igor_1965
                                                                        Glad I followed through, and didn't risk more than I already did on Pettis. Kudos!
                                                                        If i make a bet over 3 units, the likelyhood of the bet cashing is currently over 80%. Pretty ridiculous, im not so sure im able to defend that win % for very long.
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