My horror with 5dimes.com !!!

[BuddyBear]

Just for the record. We are not in agreement. lol

Ummm...basically you said that money influences them in their evaluations to some degree. Remember you said "nobody is perfect" I am pretty sure we are on the same page.

[tacomax]

And how many disputes have I been involved in....like 6 or 7.

Oh, I wasn't aware that you handled player disputes as well. Care to expand with some more information on these cases? Presumably you're running a site much the same as SBR where players can come to you for assistance?

[sergfro]

can we host a live debate? SBR John vs BuddyBear

[SBR_John]

Notice how John attends to none of my legitimate claims

Actually I have. You just don't make any.

You have more than proven your agenda.

[Dark Horse]

Ummm...basically you said that money influences them in their evaluations to some degree. Remember you said "nobody is perfect" I am pretty sure we are on the same page.

I never mentioned money in relation to evaluations.

I was trying to tell you, admittedly without much success, to turn your search for ultimate perfection towards yourself.

[jjgold]

When Mickey left the brief case of money on the table who took it from SBR??

Dozer?? Sean?? Willy Bee?? Karol? Cecilia?

[louis]

Sbr

There is absolutely no evidence SBR is taking bribes. In fact the accuracy of their ratings is evidence they are not.

[jjgold]

Louie anything is possible, I doubt they are taking bribes although their was a briefcase on the conference table at Mickey's book that vanished with $65,000 in it.

[louis]

Sbr

I personally think it is a miracle that a service like SBR even exists. It is actually a much more attractive business model, in terms of making money, to either charge users a large subscription fee, or to bend the ratings in the positive direction for those books that are willing to pay for advertising. This in fact is what almost every other portal does. I actually think that making money for themselves is far less of a motivator for the owners here, than it is at other sites that recommend books.

[tacomax]

It is actually a much more attractive business model, in terms of making money, to either charge users a large subscription fee, or to bend the ratings in the positive direction for those books that are willing to pay for advertising.

Although I know what you mean, I'd disagree there.

I don't think bending ratings is an attractive model to make money from as such; I think it's an attractive way to make money if you're in it for the short-term or you lack the business sense to make a profitable long-term business.

[sergfro]

any updates?

[Yoshi]

I dont think SBR takes any money from books for RATINGS.
There is just someone who loves certain books, and thats why they dont get the accurate rating.

SBR is top class for me in the B-F range, thats most important too. But some of the A ratings stink these days.
DID you guys forget what ELITE should mean?

[Bill Dozer]

These threads are great because posters become part of the dispute process and get to see things unfold. I think a few of our posters are used to boards that want to cover up negatives for sponsors. As John mentioned, we've dropped three banners this year and you can see that if we wanted to simply take money, we have space available. The forum is a new addition to SBR and it is not going to change the way we have always operated. It will, and has already, enhanced it but won't change it.

Verified slow-pays and player feedback can be viewed on SBR immediately. Much of our content involves warnings and giving the reader glimpses of what other players are experiencing on a daily basis.

However, disputes are a different matter. If there are variables that affect the bottom line, assisting to find a resolution can take time. Was the player able to double-pop straight bets? Was he ever told not to bet beyond one bet limit? What were the rules listed on the site at that time? What did 5Dimes old software allow 3 months earlier? Could one rebet other parlays with hard caps on straights? Do both parties disagree on any of these points? and so on...

The BetMania (SBR rating B- at that point) report on their parlay issue was a week in the making involving 6 emails and more phone calls.

SBR Justin has been working on C-Rated SIA issues for a week and a half regarding funds confiscation dispute. A summation will be posted today.

Even the SBG recent scams had hours of phone conversations with the player and the book prior to comment in each case. If it hadn't, the player might not have gotten the 20k of the 50k.

The point is that we attempt to mediate and be fair to all parties; to help the player get what is deserved, to help the book make informed decisions and to give the reader the facts to make their own conclusion. We aren't going to say "the player is a scammer" or the "book stiffed em" and "case closed". Players can go to IBAS if they want the hammer dropped without explanation.

SBR is well-respected and that is the result of doing our due diligence in an unbiased manner. Sweeping complaints under the rug or making a whipping post out of a book as soon as a player complains would cause us to lose communication with the sportsbook as well as the respect of visitors.

[Aces]

SBR is well-respected and that is the result of doing our due diligence in an unbiased manner. Sweeping complaints under the rug or making a whipping post out of a book as soon as a player complains would cause us to lose communication with the sportsbook as well as the respect of visitors.

Thats why most of us are here. If SBR deleted threads involving sponsors all credibility flys out the window. In my two years on this Forum I have seen many cases where the player is right and many cases where the book is right. The majority of complaints come from bonus money , roll over improper use of, duplicate accounts etc. I've recently made it a policy not to take bonus money anymore accept of course the Prick money which is contest money. It makes things go smoother for the player and the book. The SBR book rating guide is fast becoming the bible of books to play with and the system in my opinion keeps the books policed to some extent. Without SBR books could scam run over confiscate funds from players and no one would know. We're all aware that the other forums will not allow a negative thread about a sponsored book. If you post one it will be eliminated as fast as it hits the board and if you piss them off to bad your IP will be blocked and you will be eliminated. CUDOS to SBR for being one of the few sights not bought and paid for by the industry. As far as 5dimes is concerned I've played there for the last two years without a problem. that doesn't mean there's not one just that I haven't had one.

[chano]

So we start the clock. Lets see how long it takes SBR to resolve this issue. date of Thread (DEC-13-2006). Today is Day # 8. Tick, Toc

[tacomax]

This isn't a race, chano.

[Dark Horse]

But don't let that keep you from holding your breath.

[szk1983]

Guys we're missing the issue here, which is whether or not 5dimes is a good book. I obviously can't vouch for anyone else, but i have made frequent withdrawals with no issue. Just two weeks ago, i made a 700 dollar deposit, and last week, over the course of three days, i made 7500 dollars worth of western union withdrawals. I've never had a problem whatsoever. Tony is a pain in the ass, but he doesn't just steal money.

[SBR_John]

Good post szk. This is a very good book. However, this player has a complaint that needs to be investigated and resolved. It happens.

Tony is a proud man and he should be. This complaint likely has elements such as software that 5Dimes was not as familiar with as they should be. As we trace this complaint I wonder if the 5Dimes rules were ever revised and married to the new software? If not, there was likely a blind spot for 5Dimes. Its possible a player hit that blind spot and now what do we do?

I still think as difficult and as complicated as this case is that it will get resolved.

[szk1983]

Thanks John. Listen, i'm not just saying that it's clear cut that the player is wrong and the book is right. But without facts, the lynching of 5dimes is unfair. I mean, even if we all have a "Tony" story, I've never heard of anyone not getting paid by them, which is the bottom line. To all of a sudden say that they are an awful book and that they are out of money is ludicrous. Has anyone else had money stolen from them? I doubt it. I trust 5dimes completely, have only had great experiences, and this thread does not change my opinion. With that said, I make frequent withdrawals, never exceeding 2500 dollars. I would not let my balance go up to 45,000, and if i did, i certainly wouldn't try to make a one time withdrawal. Not from any sportsbook, be it 5dimes, WSEX, Pinnacle, whomever.

[chano]

I make frequent withdrawals, never exceeding 2500 dollars. I would not let my balance go up to 45,000, and if i did, i certainly wouldn't try to make a one time withdrawal. Not from any sportsbook, be it 5dimes, WSEX, Pinnacle, whomever.

Why would you not want to make a one time withdrawal? Are you afraid you might not get paid cause the amount is too high ? Whats your point here?

[vanzack]

With that said, I make frequent withdrawals, never exceeding 2500 dollars. I would not let my balance go up to 45,000, and if i did, i certainly wouldn't try to make a one time withdrawal. Not from any sportsbook, be it 5dimes, WSEX, Pinnacle, whomever.

With that said.....

Let me fill you in on something. Your OPINION about how much money is a lot and how much is a little is just that, an OPINION.

Some people withdraw 250 at a time and never keep more than 4,500 and some people withdraw 25,000 at a time and never keep more than 450,000.

I always get a kick out of people projecting their own experiences on the general public and make a rule out of them. Something to remember, there is always someone betting more than you and there is always someone betting less - and there is always someone with a bigger balance than you and always someone with a smaller balance than you.

To them the relative terms of "a lot" and "very small" are very different than your terms.

[chano]

With that said.....

Let me fill you in on something. Your OPINION about how much money is a lot and how much is a little is just that, an OPINION.

Some people withdraw 250 at a time and never keep more than 4,500 and some people withdraw 25,000 at a time and never keep more than 450,000.

I always get a kick out of people projecting their own experiences on the general public and make a rule out of them. Something to remember, there is always someone betting more than you and there is always someone betting less - and there is always someone with a bigger balance than you and always someone with a smaller balance than you.

To them the relative terms of "a lot" and "very small" are very different than your terms.

I totally agree.

[szk1983]

whoa guys, i stated my OPINION. I was stating a fact, and wasn't trying to come off that way. But what I said about 5dimes, and having a great reputation of payouts was not my opinion, it was a fact. All this thread has is people saying that Tony is an ass. But I don't hear anybody saying that he's ever taken their money. That was my point.

[punchmaster]

Why would you not want to make a one time withdrawal? Are you afraid you might not get paid cause the amount is too high ? Whats your point here?

I'd say his point is common sense. You have to figure a withdrawal over a certain amount brings attention to you account and especially with the case of this original poster who was betting over posted limits even though they were accepted, why would you chance it and make large withdrawals?

[szk1983]

thanks punchmaster

[chano]

I'd say his point is common sense. You have to figure a withdrawal over a certain amount brings attention to you account and especially with the case of this original poster who was betting over posted limits even though they were accepted, why would you chance it and make large withdrawals?

Chance What? His comments were referring to his own account and not this situation of the person who started this thread. If you are worried about bringing attention to your account cause you are withdrawing a high amount, then you are a dirty player who has broken rules and/or playing with the wrong book.

[Bill Dozer]

5Dimes has examined the fine points of the matter further and it looks like they are closer to concluding this. We are expecting a positive ending today.

[romaine]

5Dimes has examined the fine points of the matter further and it looks like they are closer to concluding this. We are expecting a positive ending today.

Sounds not too bad but positive for whom?

I am available now, Bill!

[vanzack]

This is like the OJ verdict.

[romaine]

This is like the OJ verdict.

...and who would be OJ? Tony or me?

[Korchnoi]

Tony is OJ, you're marsha clark.

[Dark Horse]

"If the bets hit, you must quit."

[romaine]

Tony is OJ, you're marsha clark.

Well, Marsha just got off the phone with Bill Dozer and heard pretty good news. Looks like Happy Ending after all.

@ Bill

We'll see! I'll keep you updated...

[Dark Horse]

Great!