IMO, 5dimes rating during this situation should be "Under evaluation".
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Well, you said a little more than that bud. You said "SBR will get a small cut of the money 5dimes stole from Romaine." And if you really think that after all the disputes we have settled over many years then I was serious is saying you are not as smart as I thought. That would be stupid business. We have kicked off and sent refund checks to 3 forum sponsors this year and the year is not over.
I really dont mind your stupidity but to say we would take a players money is quite dissapointing. I guess you want to test how far you can sink or maybe you are thinking what you would do.
Back to the issue. I think there is a chance this complaint will be worked out. Progress is being made but there is more work to be done. Give the parties a little more time.Comment -
I love when popular Forums work with Books - more often than not, good results for players.Comment -
No need to insult our intelligence here John....you aren't fooling anyone with this sham investigation. The issue is as clear as black and white. 5dimes is clearly in the wrong and this player deserves every cent back and 5dimes deserves to have a lower grade over this incident but of course they will not. It can't be "if you lose, you lose...if you win, you still lose." No need to pretend with these games...the only progress being made is the negotiations with "God" over what percentage of the money 5dimes got from this player you will get. Does anyone in their right mind think that SBR is going to return a verdict favoring the player in this situation. When I mean favorable I am talking every cent owed to this guy from his winnings.Originally posted by SBR_John
How can I make it anymore simple. One side pays you, the other side doesn't. Given that SBR is a profit-seeking enterprise, I would bet they side with the person who is paying them. It's as simple as that.....
Sorry to burst your bubble Romaine....there is no "investigation," there is no "progress" that John reported, there is no "dispute" here according to them......Sorry Romaine you aren't going to see that money you won...i am sorry I had to be the one to tell you if you haven't figured it out already.
There are people in here who believes everything that SBR says and can't think for themselves like Taco....sorry John, I appreciate your efforts and I am sure you are a nice guy, but I am not going to have a muzzle placed on me like you do with so many of your mods like Mudcat and expect me to follow the standard corporate bullshit that is dispensed on here. The fact remains, you take money from books that you are asked to evaluate but this would not be a problem if you take money from every single book for the same amount. Unfortunately that is not the case....until then I'll remain the voice of conscience on here and bring up these issues when necessary. You and 5dimes can play "God" and sure you'll fool guys like Taco easily because they lack critical thinking skills but you can't fool me.Comment -
buddy, it would be nice if you could back your words up with some examples. if it is really common practice for sbr to protect their advertisers and even getting a cut of the money, at the expense of the bettors, it should have happened before.
many times i've seen payout-complaints concerning this or that bookmaker, sometimes this complaint included sbr-advertisers. usually the bettor got a pretty good deal in the end (i remember something about vip honoring a never placed bet because of some strange software thingy). but, on the other hand, i'm sure i don't read these forums as often as you do. so i am curious, you're so sure about yourself, show me some topics to prove your point.Comment -
SBR does not get any cut of players money
John of SBR is NOT the majority owner of SBR anymore, I know that for a fact. I know who is but cannot say. Can Johhny speed up things?? Yes I think he is working on this. The forum that has turned their head on this is MW, buried it. That is ok, they can do what they please.
I expect a favorable decison for Romaine or I would think 5 Dimes is done.
I like Buddy Bear and have worked with him as a betting partner in the past and he does know the industry so do pay close attention to him. The only thing he was wrong on was the ownership of SBR, it is not John anymore as a majority.
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Buddy Bear, its good to read some true comments. You see at as I do. I didn't have the heart to break the news to Romaine. This matter should have been resolved many days ago, that is if there ever was any kind of investigation. SBR is not looking good here.Comment -
The very act of voiding bets to me is already very disturbing,considering the fact that I, without the aid of software like sportsbooks have,can't correct my errors the MOMENT I post up and gets accepted by others in Betfair.
........Not to mention taking shots at players.
The "meeting of minds during contract" arguement just doesn't makes sense in cases like this.
Hope the player gets the money.Comment -
SBR is working on it, Justin has expressed his thoughts (which clearly show 5D made mistakes), and several SBR-ers have mentioned this will take some time. Yet some people have this paranoia tape set on infinity loop, and play that same tune every opportunity they get. Hilarious.Comment -
As time goes on, I'm getting the feeling that there's nothing very much there to insult in your case.Originally posted by BuddyBear
"the voice of conscience" sounds more like a stuck record in all honesty and SBR_John consistently provides intelligent responses to the points you raise. Have you got anything new to add or are you just going to re-hash the same old "theories"?Originally posted by BuddyBearOriginally posted by pags11Originally posted by BuddyBearOriginally posted by curiousComment -
Originally posted by noyb
Noyb: These deals are under the table and not available for public scrutiny. However, I have a very close source a guy who knows the industry very well who use to tell me that it was not uncommon for the SBR crew to go visit these sportsbooks and walkout with a briefcase that they did not walk in with. I know a guy, I am not going to mention his name, but he use to be a moderator on here and he pretty much told me the same thing I am telling you. Sometimes you need just need common sense though to make sense of these things.Comment -
Thanks Chano. Some of the best advice I got when I was younger was you don't tell truth to power, you tell truth to people. Everything I am saying John et al. know....however, most posters on here are not aware of the processes in which these things take place. Often times they are given deceits and other outrights lies as a way of calming them lest they figure out what is actually going on and revolt back. My life's work has been devoted to helping the little guy and those without a voice.Originally posted by chano
Keep up the good work yourself Chano...Comment -
umm....you take a firm stand in your earlier posts and now you seem to tell us to wait and see. I've waited long enough. The only work that is being done is in updating the new 2007 advertising rates and such. You can't have a situation where the book says "if you lose, you lose......if you win, you still lose" especially if this book is rated an A. There is no work to be done here. I solved it. Case closed.Originally posted by Dark HorseComment -
With all this secret information to keep track of, I can't help but wondering.
Can you still see your wallpaper?
As to your post, you need to google 'patience'.Comment -
It's very simple.....imagine yourself in a situation where you are taking someone to court and you are the plaintiff. And now imagine for a moment that the jury is composed of the defedent's family members, best friends, and co-workers.Originally posted by Lad
Anyone see any similarities here
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Originally posted by tacomax
Sure Taco...think what you will of me but I've made up my mind on you. You are the type of person who would not speak up in Nazi Germany and instead salute to Hilter...you are that likely to conform and not question authority. It's guys like me who take stands and its guys like you who simply defend the status quo even though the status quo is clearly tilted in favor to one side.
Second, SBR John has never once addressed my concerns. To do so would require him to engage in public and painful truths.
I've raised the question a billion times and never got one answer and I guarantee you if I ask again I'll never get a response. The question is simple: Does the fact that SBR take money from the same people they evaluate influence them in any way?
Very simple question...yet no answer.Comment -
Buddybear, your trust levels are so far off the scale that there really is only one solution for you: begin your own watchdog organization. Show the world how it's really done.
Either that, or you could focus on the positive SBR has done, the countless bettors that have been helped. And google the next word for the day 'goodwill'.
There is nothing wrong with critical thinking. But you are so busy finding fault with everybody else that you forget your own.Comment -
The only truly successful watchdog group has to be independent b/c to be otherwise would make the watchdog "dependent" and being dependent to many different interests would make even the best organizations corrupt or a the very least perceived as corrupt. When you are grading people you have to have the highest level of integrity. There is no easy answer to this and I ALWAYS give SBR the benefit of the doubt. It's my nature to do so....Originally posted by Dark Horse
Sure SBR does good....i've said it many times just go through all my posts and you'll see that to be the case. However, the fact that one takes money from a sportsbook and then asked to arbitrate on a dispute involving that sportsbook.....good luck if you are the one not paying them.Comment -
Most books can't even advertise at SBR. They don't qualify. And when WWTS cut off funds from US players SBR was the first to remove their banner. So put things in perspective.Comment -
Sure SBR is the best at what they do....i have always said that. It remains true. I've never disputed that and am usually the first to say that.
However, you can answer if you want DarkHorse....Does the fact that SBR take money from the same people they evaluate influence them in any way?
What do you think?Comment -
So you're trying to discredit the organization that you admit is the best in its field, because you think they're not absolutely perfect?
I hate the bring the news to you. There is no absolute perfection in this world.Comment -
I can definitely back up the brief case stories but they did not involve SBR John. I have no clue about him but here is a story I heard from an excellent source.
Billy Dozer was on a book tour 2 years ago doing reviews, now no one saw him leaving with any briefcases of money but when he got back home he bought a new home, 2 nice cars, supposedly had a bracelet on worth about $10,000 and numerous other toys. It did look strange as soon as he got back he went on a spending spree. This is from a good source.Comment -
BuddyBear, where is the truly successful independent watchdog group? Maybe you can start one and give SBR a run for its money. SBR is not perfect, if you want to say that, I agree. Nine.com rating is something that I don't feel good about it. But I still believe SBR is pretty reasonable and working hard in resolving disputes.Comment -
So what if they are the best in the field....it just means they are better than what's currently available. You didn't even give me an answer just like John....Originally posted by Dark Horse
I don't care we can argue about the degree to which they are influenced (high vs. low, wtc...)...that's a different story but I am asking you Darkhorse to provide an answer to the question....it's either yes or no so please answer: Does the fact that SBR take money from the same people they evaluate influence them in any way?Comment -
Originally posted by BuddyBear
You lose. Thread can now be closed.
Incidentally, who is Hilter? Is he related to Jed Bush?Last edited by SBR Jonelyn; 01-15-15, 02:26 PM.Originally posted by pags11Originally posted by BuddyBearOriginally posted by curiousComment -
'Answer the question'? Who do you think you are? Some all powerful judge?
All I know, and all I need to know, is that SBR is always willing to help players in disputes, without asking a penny for their service. That SBR provides indepth and priceless knowledge of an industry that has every tendency to lean towards shady. Again, without asking a penny in return. In addition, SBR offers me SBR Odds, at no cost, and has been instrumental in a $200,000 BTP contest that gives anyone willing to play some free money.
And here you are, while SBR is working on yet another dispute, stamping your foot like a spoiled little brat because they're not working fast enough for you.
You need a long hard look in the mirror, my friend.Comment -
Thanks for the answer DarkHorse....your true colors come out. I asked you a simple question and you avoided it. Why aren't you answering it? Like I said SBR does 99% good......and to them we who post on here owe them a huge debt of gratitude. However, we should not become so mindless that we fail to criticize and lose all our critical thinking skills in favor of adopting the Master's agenda. We should always approach things with a critical eye even if what we have to say is unpopular. I know most people don't like what I say...but I am confident that 100% of people on here respect what I say b/c they know it's well thought out and and backed up.
With these responses you are giving, maybe one day you can be promoted to a moderator and have a muzzle. Who knows....maybe Mudcat's muzzle is not too far off.Comment -
If you ask your senators the same question, what answer will you get? I don't see the point why you keep asking it.Comment -
Your allegations are backed up merely by your suspicions.
I have already said that there is no absolute perfection in this world, and so I don't expect it from others. If I would be in search of absolute perfection, I suspect that the first place I would have to try to create it would be within myself. Why? Because to demand a quality of others that we don't ourselves possess would be, well, hypocrisy. Google that too.
I'm quite sure your intentions are good, Buddybear. But they are misdirected. That's really all I can say.Comment -
Actually....political communication reserach shows that politicians who don't take firm stands on issues tend to be more successful than those who don't. The reason is that by taking a stand, a politician risks alienating those who disagree with his/her position on the issue. Therefore, politicians walk a slippery slope.Originally posted by wrongturn
However, there is no comparison between elected U.S. senators and guys who run sportsbook watchdog group
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No need to try to make a long-winded abstract speech here darkhorse...to sum up, basically you are agreeing with my allegation but differing in degree of influence. That's fine and a minor point....but what's clear is we are on the same page finally. I knew it would take a lot to get it out of you...but i got it.Originally posted by Dark Horse
Now, if you have some spare time...google "stubborn"Comment -
Just for the record. We are not in agreement. lolComment -
BuddyBear is an attention queer and not much more with his shallow conspiracies. If this complaint gets worked out he will be scarce and then there will just be another conspiracy. Its the never ending story. If it ends unresolved he will rejoice and proclaim conspiracy. All too predictable. But every site needs a class clown and Buddy is ours.
This complaint will take a while and those involved know exactly why. It involves software and systems and factors that take some time. But in the end there is no doubt in my mind we will issue a true finding based on the facts.Comment -
SBR-John......................Who was the guy that walked out of the Cris office with a briefcase full of money last year??
SBR-John can you comment on Billy Dozer going on a spending spree when he got home from a visit to CR? I guess he could of inherited money or went on a gambling roll.Comment -
Notice how John attends to none of my legitimate claims and instead takes a shot at me....real classy from an administrator. John....perhaps the collar around your neck that says "property of 5dimes...return if found" is on much too tight today. Get real dude....you actually take a shot at one your top posters on here??? I've been with SBR since day 1 and have had nothing but praise day in and day out for this organization. Like the SBR motto says, "Don't sweat the grade, sweat the payout for the grade."
Look at all the support for my claims....apparently people agree with what I have to say but most people are afraid to say these things b/c they think it is taboo or something. Like I said, I help out the little guy.
I am making an argument about the influence of money on evaluations...it's that simple. It's a very basic argument....no need to get all worked up. Even one of your own mods told me about the way the system works.....i mean, nothing what I am saying is novel or in any way new or unique. I am just stating fact after fact after fact.
And how many disputes have I been involved in....like 6 or 7. Of all the complaint threads that have appeared on here...i have particiapted in 6 or 7. That's how much respect i have...I only speak with when there is an injustice.
If you guys don't want to have civilized debate or can't hold your own with the arguments that you are advancing that's fine by me.
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