CAUTION --- TONY 5 DIMES TRYING to TAKE A SHOT AT PLAYERS RIGHT NOW.

[shari91]

Its not even the fact that its him being stingy but you just lose a little credibility when you're a snake like that. what a weasel. just post the correct line, what a greedy imbecile

Keep reading the thread Goat.

He did post the correct lines according to the market - check Betfair.

And this thread has been linked at another forum. All of the posters in the thread agreed that 5Dimes has done nothing wrong as these prices are in line with the market. It's the other books mentioned in the first post that are hanging stingy lines for players on these props.

[Goat Milk]

I'm not naive. I won't believe anything Tony says over Nobs. There's no reason to write that article and waste his time. Nobs has credibility with me, and I've only heard bad things about this guy previously. Seems like just a greedy guy by nature.

Ill keep reading the thread

[horja1]

Good job. Way to stick it to the selective posting mod.

... I'm sure that you had the necesary time to figure everything/everyone out in the 14 days since you joined SBR ...

[donjuan]

I'm not naive. I won't believe anything Tony says over Nobs. There's no reason to write that article and waste his time. Nobs has credibility with me, and I've only heard bad things about this guy previously. Seems like just a greedy guy by nature.

Ill keep reading the thread

Nobs is a fúcking idiot, as displayed by this thread.

[Goat Milk]

Justin - How about a video? You are articulate and can explain that 5Dimes is not trying to cheat the player. Instead, they are putting up great odds for the player.

Goes back to what I agree with Deuce- its a business. They are providing a luxury for us. Tony makes up for his good lines with other things like offering shitty bonuses.

[horja1]

... the 7 links were quickly put together and you said 3 were legit...that was with 5 mins of looking. I will find more.

Man ... you should really start reading a post 2 or 3 times since you actually see something else than it's written when you read it for the first time ...

[Goat Milk]

i dont remember what the actual line on it was, buddy...(someone mentioned 42-1 earlier, so i went with that...it was just a figure) all i know is there was a 0 added to it or something along those lines and you took a shot at a bad line and thats a fukking fact...you knew it was bad and you took a shot and got caught and then cried about it...i wont argue about it with you, i will simply say that Tony did the right thing as would any book... you can say, all day long, that you didnt know it was bad and that you just played a bunch of props real fast, but thats whoreshit and you know it...

i dont remember what Tony did, but i would have given you the option of having the bet voided and continue to bet as if nothing happened, or paid you on the market value of the bet, sent you a check for what you had in the acct. and told you to kindly take your business somewhere else...

it is absolutely fukking ridiculous for players to cry like little bitches when they try to scam a book and get caught...there are rules put in place at every book regarding bad lines...but do the players read that??? hell no...they simply try to sneak the bet in and cry when they get caught...

Bewareof5dimes, you admitted to betting a lot of golf action...so you knew, without a doubt that when you made that bet (and i think you said you bet it more than once) that the line was bad...you say you didnt know, but it was obvious to most that you did... and you can fukk yourself on the name calling, im not the one who tried to scam the book

so what are you suppose to do tell tony the line is off? He's setting a trap--would you trust a guy like tony on the streets. na he is setting the lines that way deliberately.

[raydog]

scroatmilk, you are establishing yourself as a complete fukking idiot like the originator of the thread and others with are bitching without a clue... tony runs one of the best operations in the business...if you are too ignorant to see it, then by all means, continue to donate elsewhere.

what do you do? if you think the line is astronomically high, you get in touch with the book...if they say its a go, then you bet what you like and sit back with a big grin on your face thinking that you are smarter than the book... bewareof5dimes took shots at tony and his book and got busted for it...thats a FACT...if he wants to bitch about it still, so be it, but its a done deal and his case is closed. ask him how it worked out for him... unfukkingreal how many people attempt to cheat books and then cry foul when they get busted... the industry has turned to shit and the gamblers really think its the sportsbooks fault....

[ApricotSinner32]

scroatmilk, you are establishing yourself as a complete fukking idiot like the originator of the thread and others with are bitching without a clue... tony runs one of the best operations in the business...if you are too ignorant to see it, then by all means, continue to donate elsewhere.

what do you do? if you think the line is astronomically high, you get in touch with the book...if they say its a go, then you bet what you like and sit back with a big grin on your face thinking that you are smarter than the book... bewareof5dimes took shots at tony and his book and got busted for it...thats a FACT...if he wants to bitch about it still, so be it, but its a done deal and his case is closed. ask him how it worked out for him... unfukkingreal how many people attempt to cheat books and then cry foul when they get busted... the industry has turned to shit and the gamblers really think its the sportsbooks fault....

I agree i don't care how much of a prick he comes off as... As long as I get paid which I have in the past and we're not talking $200 here. Always quick payouts.


5dimes is one of the best shops for americans hands down. Rayray murray one time pal.

[Grandmaster B]

so anytime a player makes a bet at 5dimes they must call and check to make sure its not a 'bad line?'

in Nevada there is no such thing as a 'bad line'

if the ticket is printed...

this is something ive only heard about and seen at offshore books

[Scooter]

I agree with Dr. Gonzo, durito, 9XL and the others who have pointed out that 5 Dimes is offering true market odds, which posters here feel are overly generous odds because they are so used to being ripped off by the other US facing books.

If everyone has to call 5 Dimes everytime they want to bet a Future, as some people here are suggesting, and ask "Are you really offering XXX on Player A when everyone else I look at is only offering YYY?", they are telling the book that they would be acceptant of much worse odds.
Perhaps eventually in this case the book will listen to what they are saying and start offering much worse odds, to be in line with the other ripoff Futures offered by the other US facing books.
Is this what you players would like to happen?

There is one important point to be made here that no one has addressed:

This thread would not exist if there was a simple rule in force: "Book the bet, pay the bet."

That is the only rule which SHOULD be expected.
Because it is not the rule which these bookmakers go by, we get the paranoia and misunderstandings we see in this thread.

Players should not have to try to discern a bookmaker's intention.
They should be able to see a line, bet the line, and if it wins, get paid.
PERIOD.

[Goat Milk]

scroatmilk, you are establishing yourself as a complete fukking idiot like the originator of the thread and others with are bitching without a clue... tony runs one of the best operations in the business...if you are too ignorant to see it, then by all means, continue to donate elsewhere.

what do you do? if you think the line is astronomically high, you get in touch with the book...if they say its a go, then you bet what you like and sit back with a big grin on your face thinking that you are smarter than the book... bewareof5dimes took shots at tony and his book and got busted for it...thats a FACT...if he wants to bitch about it still, so be it, but its a done deal and his case is closed. ask him how it worked out for him... unfukkingreal how many people attempt to cheat books and then cry foul when they get busted... the industry has turned to shit and the gamblers really think its the sportsbooks fault....

don't lash out at me because your passed middle aged. I never said 5 dimes was a bad book. Its a business and luxury for us. If you don't think its funny that he got caught deliberately posting bad lines then you got no sense of humor. he got caught in the act

[andywend]

This is all i could find, but when I search 5 dimes complaint there are lots and lots and lots and lots of threads so I havent had time to read thru them all.

Tony: Paul Casey to wins at 425/1 when he should have been 42/1


Apparently 5 dimes didnt think casey would win so they bumped him all the way up to 425 to 1 and I guess he won ??

Of course it didnt matter, tony cancelled it as a bad line.

Nobs, I am the furthest thing from a fan of Tony as he cut my limits down by 80% and disabled my account from horse racing after betting 46 losing horses in a row.

However, what you said in your OP is simply not true.

In your Paul Casey example, that did happen where somebody bet on Paul Casey at 425-1 when the odds shoud have been 42-1. Those odds were off by a factor of 10 and Tony will cancel those wagers and has every right to.

As far as all the golfers you listed, the INFLATED odds Tony is offering is still nowhere near as good as the line you can get on BetFair. What this means is the books offering half the odds that Tony is are the ones really ripping players off.

None of the bets you mentioned in your opening post would be cancelled as you're suggesting.

Now as far as Tony is concerned, his customer service leaves a lot to be desired and he will limit ALL WINNING PLAYERS.

There are plenty of things you can say that put Tony in an unfavorable light, but what you're claiming is simply false.

[thespeculator]

if the other books would just give you the same options as 5dimes but they don't, parlay tennis with baseball , i stick with betfair mostly know , but still love 5dimes

[Lint Pockets]

And that's the reason this site has went down to shit so quickly, what the fuc are you on here for if you don't gamble for keeps? Just a bunch of SBR annointed Pros and guys that look at gambling like the lotto running around voicing bullshit unsubstantiated opinions. The point system and the Pro system gave everyone what they really wanted except for the real deal gamblers.

I'm just telling it the way it is to be honest. If you seriously gamble for a living and think that is going to supply you with income to live comfortably then you need some help. Everyone gambles on here and I'm sure the money is for keeps but not to get them through their lifetime. I'm also sure mostly everyone on here also has a REAL job that they go to which they live off of, not gambling online buddy... get some help and wake up from your dream thinking you're gonna get by in life off gambling.

[jjgold]

Looks like 80% support 5 Dimes

Time to end the thread

Many posters prove they are not bad lines

[SBR_John]

Nobs, I am the furthest thing from a fan of Tony as he cut my limits down by 80% and disabled my account from horse racing after betting 46 losing horses in a row.

However, what you said in your OP is simply not true.

In your Paul Casey example, that did happen where somebody bet on Paul Casey at 425-1 when the odds shoud have been 42-1. Those odds were off by a factor of 10 and Tony will cancel those wagers and has every right to.

As far as all the golfers you listed, the INFLATED odds Tony is offering is still nowhere near as good as the line you can get on BetFair. What this means is the books offering half the odds that Tony is are the ones really ripping players off.

None of the bets you mentioned in your opening post would be cancelled as you're suggesting.

Now as far as Tony is concerned, his customer service leaves a lot to be desired and he will limit ALL WINNING PLAYERS.

There are plenty of things you can say that put Tony in an unfavorable light, but what you're claiming is simply false.

Wow... great post. (ps stay the phuck out of the SBR Racebook!)

[dochall2u]

As usual thanks to all of you that point out the less than desirable books.

[stogies]

no body should be playing offshore right now. tony is a asshole but his lines was usually pretty good. i just dont trust any thing offshore right now.

[mikejamm]

I suggest we do litmus test and a group of us make several bets on upcoming golf tournaments. If and when they hit and Tony tries to pull some shit, we'll know for sure. Really doesn't make much sense to post lines over and above what several other books are at. These guys aren't idiots and to use the excuse of changing a line, calling it bad after it hits, just reeks of of the oldest scam in the book, bait and switch.

[Santo]

There is one important point to be made here that no one has addressed:

This thread would not exist if there was a simple rule in force: "Book the bet, pay the bet."

That is the only rule which SHOULD be expected.
Because it is not the rule which these bookmakers go by, we get the paranoia and misunderstandings we see in this thread.

Players should not have to try to discern a bookmaker's intention.
They should be able to see a line, bet the line, and if it wins, get paid.
PERIOD.

It may be the Vegas rule, but it should be noted it is not the rule in all licensed jurisdictions -- the UK for example has a firmly ingrained palpable error rule.

[raiders72001]

durito

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Re: 5 Dimes shot taking again. This time golf longshots
Quote:
Originally Posted by Will Race For Food
didn't a bomber win the Masters this year too?

Yes, golf long shots win all the time. If tony was cheating people we'd be hearing about it all the time.

[nobs]

nobs, when you said a few times in your first post "every other book", did you check betfair for what the market price actually is?

No. I named all the books that I checked which were legends, bodog, thegreek, sportsbook.com, 5 dimes. So by "every other book" I meant the other 4, not every other book that exists in the world.

I am done with this, I didnt think it would be almost 400, and i will just have to agree with JJGold. Its everyone choice to play with who they want. Its obvious a million ways from Sunday that 5 dimes is a shithole book. But for those who refuse to see it, for those who are Ok with Tony's unprofessional downright abusive handling of customer complaints , well nothing is going to change your minds until tony fuks you. Thats your right. I have said all I have to say in this thread.

[nobs]

Let me explain why the odds are better. On the other books, there is a field bet, while on 5dimes he lists all the players in the tournament which generates better odds on them. He will pay the long shots off.

No there was not. I compared players that had lines at all books. Brian Davis being +8000 at one book and +23000 at another, has nothing at all to do with there being a field bet. And if Brian Davis somehow won this tourney, Tony would renege. I know it, SBR knows it, everyone posting in this thread knows it.

People siding with 5 dimes say that he always offers better lines. but there was a complaint not that long ago where Tony backed out of his posted line ( only after it won of course ) and told the player the line would be lowered down to what other books had it at ( that what it should have been ).

But he always offers better lines ????????????????????????????

Then why did he lower the payout after that play won to what other books had offered ????????????????????????????????????

Now im done.

[raiders72001]

Seems like a line is drawn. Those that played at 5Dimes for a substantial amount of time realize that the lines are good and will be paid. Those that haven't played there don't realize that those lines are business as usual.

[sharpcat]

No there was not. I compared players that had lines at all books. Brian Davis being +8000 at one book and +23000 at another, has nothing at all to do with there being a field bet. And if Brian Davis somehow won this tourney, Tony would renege. I know it, SBR knows it, everyone posting in this thread knows it.

People siding with 5 dimes say that he always offers better lines. but there was a complaint not that long ago where Tony backed out of his posted line ( only after it won of course ) and told the player the line would be lowered down to what other books had it at ( that what it should have been ).

But he always offers better lines ????????????????????????????

Then why did he lower the payout after that play won to what other books had offered ????????????????????????????????????

Now im done.

It was confirmed by many players that other books were offering the line at +240 where the player got it at 5dimes for +2400. Obvious line error of an extra keystroke "0".

Do you understand that the difference between a line priced at +240 (29.41%) and getting +2400 (4%) is no where close to the retarded example you posted +6000 (1.64%) and getting +10000 (0.99%)?????

You are clueless if you can not see the error here.

[nobs]

The casino case in particular...DID THE PEOPLE WHO LOST MONEY PRIOR TO THE NON PAYOUT OF THE BIG WINNER GET REIMBURSED? THAT IS SHOT TAKING AT ITS MOST SIMPLEST.

some of you fail in logic. So I will explain this quite simply. Here is the example, say casino game A was in place from jan 1, 2011 until may 1, 2011. During this period of time, quite a few people lost money playing it. Now on may 1, 2011 there was a big winner due to him being able to take advantage of the bad payout and he played perfect strategy and won 16k. Tony says, bad game design and voids the payout. WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE MONEY LOST BY PAYING CUSTOMERS ON THAT BAD CASINO GAME FROM JAN 1, 2011?????? THAT IS SHOT TAKING BY 5DIMES. BASICALLY AS LONG PAYING CUSTOMERS LOSE BECAUSE THEY DO NOT PLAY PERFECT STRATEGY--THAT IS ACCEPTABLE.

once Tony said the game was unfair and refused payout...all players who had a net loss on that casino game should be reimbursed. failure to do so is taking advantage of your players. It is super simple to understand.

EXACTLY BOONDOOGLE. You are dead on. But they dont want to address those issues. They have to back up Tony. These people dont have the right to post a 100% honest opinion. Kind of like even if i think my boss is a piece of shit asshole, I sure as hell better have his back in a business meeting. I understand that. Really, their opinions dont count, because they dont get to have honest opinions.

Now lets keep it real. The 114% casino payout was NOT A MISTAKE. Tony says it was a mistake -- BULLFUCKINGSHIT.

Most gamblers are dumb as fuk especially when it comes to gambling. I know I sure as hell can be. So a guy has a $1000 balance and you give his a 114% payout game. Whats gonna happen ??? you know what --- 95% of us are gonna lose the $1000.

Most gamblers realize its a 114% payout and they arent going to be happy betting $10, no I have to bet $100 or $200 after all i am +EV big time.

It went on for a long time and oh of course, Tony just didnt happen to notice that it was a 114% payout until someone beat him. then whalla he just happens to notice. LOL.

But never to worry Tony, SBR ( the people you pay ) they will have your back and say youre the victim.

LOL. We have Tony downright verbally abusing customers on the chat logs, even telling one guy to DIE. And you guys wouldnt breath a bad word about Tony if it was Tony vs. your mommas. You dont even say anything about his constant unprofessional verbal abuse. Well I guess we all gotta make a living.

[Dr.Gonzo]

nobs you're an idiot

[nobs]

I honestly cant help but notice how many non-pros are backing Tony.

Non -pro = dont even have $200 at 5 dimes

[firedawg]

[firedawg]

fukkkkk tony and 5dimes

[Dr.Gonzo]

Look 5dimes casino is a D-

But their sportsbook is fine.

[raiders72001]

I honestly cant help but notice how many non-pros are backing Tony.

Non -pro = dont even have $200 at 5 dimes

All pro gamblers back 5Dimes. I'm not sure what SBR even means by pro.

[nobs]

Looks like 80% support 5 Dimes

Time to end the thread

Many posters prove they are not bad lines

No JJ. It is not even 50% supporting 5 dimes. There were like 30 people in the first few threads against 5 dimes, and maybe 15 in the later threads supporting them. Do Shari and John really count ????? Really ????

Lets not forget, there was a time you couldnt say a bad word against Aces Gold or Dalton Wagners books because they were A books. They both went bankrupt and fuked players out of probably millions.

By the way, JJ , even if it was 80% which it isnt, 80% support is HORRIBLE in Customer service. When we do things which measure our CS support, we are expected to get 96% + and if I recieve a 96% rating, thats not good. Its not good if 4% of my clients think I am an ass

[nobs]

nobs you're an idiot

yes many people have told me this