CAUTION --- TONY 5 DIMES TRYING to TAKE A SHOT AT PLAYERS RIGHT NOW.

[LegitBet]

i am indded very alarmed by this, and am looking into this now.

[bettilimbroke999]

Who cares when he aint gonna pay ya anyway

Tony will give ya +1000 on Tiger to break 90 he doesnt give a ****

Tony fuckin loves to post bad lines, that way all the winners get stiffed and the losers think they would've gotten a great payday if they had won so they reload

[SBR_John]

This thread is very interesting. SBR has not commented on it (i dont count dispatching SBRJohn making evasive political comments).

It's obvious what is going on, and thanks to OP for pointing it out.

I did try to tell you guys in the first posts of this thread to calculate his market to see if the lines were off before making a lot of foolish posts. If you would have, you would have found the lines to be perfectly fine. But hey, its a fun Whack-A-Tony thread and I don't want to spoil it so by all means continue on.

[RoagBettor]

5Dimes does have good soccer lines for USA players compared to BookF*cker and The Greek. But they will limit you fast.

The larger question is how badly are the books suffering from Black Friday? No one knows how many accounts were seized or will be seized, and there does appear to be a cash flow issue for several books. A LOT of money has been withdrawn (or is trying to be withdrawn) from offshore accounts. Since SBR's (and Covers) bread-and-butter is affiliate commissions from player losses (ironic I know), one would have to assume there has been some decline in revenues. Whether that decline is a trend depends upon how things shake out in the industry over the next few months.

[raiders72001]

I did try to tell you guys in the first posts of this thread to calculate his market to see if the lines were off before making a lot of foolish posts. If you would have, you would have found the lines to be perfectly fine. But hey, its a fun Whack-A-Tony thread and I don't want to spoil it so by all means continue on.

It is entertaining. Someone posted earlier that -107 to -110 is close to +6000 to +10000 which is correct. No way in hell will some get this. Here's a calculator for those that want to figure out theoretical hold. Punch in +107 and -110. Then do it again and punch in +6000 and -10000.

https://www24.pinnaclesports.com/MWCalculator/MWML.asp

[Ralphie Halves]

I did try to tell you guys in the first posts of this thread to calculate his market to see if the lines were off before making a lot of foolish posts. If you would have, you would have found the lines to be perfectly fine. But hey, its a fun Whack-A-Tony thread and I don't want to spoil it so by all means continue on.

I don't think the lines themselves are the topic here. Tony not paying is.

I'm happy there, but I don't bet big longshots in anything, so I guess I'm safe until Uncle Sam shuts er down.

[raiders72001]

Then try -110 and -110.

[nobs]

Could be. But you can't look at a few longshots and say a bookie's market is off. This is not a casino game. You could always ask them to double check their line before you bet it so you are sure its not a bad line. Might make for a boring thread though.

John come on, it wasnt a "few" long shots. EVERY long shot was at least double, some triple. They had over 80 players at +13000 or higher, none of the other 5 books had even 1. The other 5 books had all those players at +8000 to +10000, while 5 dimes had them from +13000 up to +50000.

5 dimes has the right to double and triple payouts from what other books are paying, but you know 5 dimes Tony uses the "bad line" excuse A LOT when someone hits a nice payout, and he doesnt have the right to pump up the payouts to get action and then renege and scream bad line when one of these happens to hit.

Again, i didnt want to spend 4 hours listing odds on every single player, but the odds were massively higher on every player except Mickelson and one or two other favorites. Im just saying, all these "bad line" excuses that Tony has been using lately, are in fact not bad lines. They are instances where he bumped the line on some guy he didnt think would win and the guy won.

Thanks everyone for the points. I didnt expect points, but appreciate it. Just avoid 5 dimes.

[nobs]

Tough crowd. So you think he sets a return of +390% for the player on purpose?? Yea thats really taking a shot...cough cough. Tony is guilty of setting a lot of markets and doing things that other bookies wouldnt bother with like casino games and low juice. There will be more mistakes than some vanilla line book.

If you think he is slimy then bet somewhere else. 5Dimes has won the best book here at SBR in an open vote format by you guys. So make noise about slimy and bad and have your fun but also know the majority really love this book and for good reason.

When the fk did this happen ? 5 dimes beat the greek, bo dog, pinny ???



Yeah I guess its easy to love a guy if he hasnt fked you yet. My question, I would ask you is since he won this "best book" contest that I never even knew about, now its OK for him to cheat players rountinely and have constant complaints by people a lot of whom went to 5 dimes on your reference ?

[firedawg]

i would jump in here, but nobs is dead on........ i got done by tony also, as numerous other posters on the site have..

[raiders72001]

When the fk did this happen ? 5 dimes beat the greek, bo dog, pinny ???



Yeah I guess its easy to love a guy if he hasnt fked you yet. My question, I would ask you is since he won this "best book" contest that I never even knew about, now its OK for him to cheat players rountinely and have constant complaints by people a lot of whom went to 5 dimes on your reference ?

no facts here.

I think that you are missing the point that a line of -900/+600 has less hold than an NFL game at -110.

[nobs]

I still think Tony would pay if you hit. All the other errors have been at the CASINO... not sports wagering.

Absolutely not. There are several complaints where Tony didnt pay out on long shot winners. Tony routinely claims bad line and calls the player a shot taker, cheater, theif etc. If the player doesnt happily agree to the reduced payout, Tony gets very verbally abusive even telling one player to go Die.

No all the complaints are not just casino, thats just the latest complaint on tony.

[firedawg]

casino is only a small part of it

[SBR_John]

nobs,
Do you understand the concept of a total market? I don't want to belittle you.

5 Dimes is a book the YOU the posters have voted number 1 in a totally open voting format. There is a vote going on right now at the top of the forum. Guess what; 5Dimes is leading again. So is it a grand conspiracy or could it possibly be a few of you are being, oh... a bit overly melodramatic? Its fine with me either way, in fact its good for business.

[firedawg]

melodramatic? dont think so john

[Extra Innings]

nobs,
Do you understand the concept of a total market? I don't want to belittle you.

5 Dimes is a book the YOU the posters have voted number 1 in a totally open voting format. There is a vote going on right now at the top of the forum. Guess what; 5Dimes is leading again. So is it a grand conspiracy or could it possibly be a few of you are being, oh... a bit overly melodramatic? Its fine with me either way, in fact its good for business.

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Come on Johnny....How many times has Jesus Christ at 5dimes voided a futures bet because of a "bad" line...we're talking voids @ a +500/+750 difference.

[nobs]

Still yet to be convinced that there are any bad lines there.

There probably arent any bad lines there. All those long shots will probably lose, in which case all the lines will be just fine. But let Brian Davis win and just see if Tony doesnt say bad line, shot taker, die.

[Extra Innings]

nobs,
Do you understand the concept of a total market? I don't want to belittle you.

5 Dimes is a book the YOU the posters have voted number 1 in a totally open voting format. There is a vote going on right now at the top of the forum. Guess what; 5Dimes is leading again. So is it a grand conspiracy or could it possibly be a few of you are being, oh... a bit overly melodramatic? Its fine with me either way, in fact its good for business.

It's good to hear your voice Johnny, it's been a long time. Look John, you've done some damage here, they don't want anymore trouble. That's why I've come. I want to come in there and fly you the hell out. Just you and me. We'll work this thing out together. Is that fair enough?

[nobs]

nobs,
Do you understand the concept of a total market? I don't want to belittle you.

5 Dimes is a book the YOU the posters have voted number 1 in a totally open voting format. There is a vote going on right now at the top of the forum. Guess what; 5Dimes is leading again. So is it a grand conspiracy or could it possibly be a few of you are being, oh... a bit overly melodramatic? Its fine with me either way, in fact its good for business.

No i dont understand total market. So if ALL of TONY's LINES are DOUBLE/TRIPLE the payout thats OK ? None of his lines were lower than other books.

Really, people vote for 5 dimes without ever having played there. they see the advertisements. people use to love aces gold, v wager, mvp, hollywood etc. they all went down

[raiders72001]

No i dont understand total market. So if ALL of TONY's LINES are DOUBLE/TRIPLE the payout thats OK ?

YES. I can't say it enough. Use the calculator.

https://www24.pinnaclesports.com/MWCalculator/MWML.asp

[Keith Richard]

Well...it does seem Tony is either a shot taker or just incompetent.

[cjwatsonfan32]

5dimes again? im getting tired of reading all this S***

[William Walters]

It's good to hear your voice Johnny, it's been a long time. Look John, you've done some damage here, they don't want anymore trouble. That's why I've come. I want to come in there and fly you the hell out. Just you and me. We'll work this thing out together. Is that fair enough?

Loved it!

[StraitShooter]

No way does tony pay out 130-1 on Ohair if he wins and there was decent action on it.

why not call him and ask?

simple

If he changes line..maybe nobs is right..maybe he even gets a bonus for pointing it out

If they leave lines the same..I repeat..thread is a waste of time..

nothing against nobs whom is a great poster..just my 2 cents

[SBR_John]

Well...it does seem Tony is either a shot taker or just incompetent.

LOL...OK. I give. I definitely recommend playing those golf dogs at TheGreek if that makes you feel better.

I know its the nature of the beast to dislike the bookmaker and I don't want to throw water on a good thread. But there were several very sharp posters who tried to help you guys understand why the lines were like they were. It was very valuable advice that you guys ignored so it wouldn't interfere with the melodrama of the whack-a-Tony minute. If any of you guys are serious about becoming better players look at the advice from Durito, Sharpcat, Raiders and the others who were generous enough with their time to explain what is going on.

[StraitShooter]

There is no issue here. 5dimes offers a more competitively priced market on golf winners (and other futures markets) than other US facing books. They have always done this. The prices are in line with the actual market (betfair). Bookmaker-Greeks very large hold on these events is not the market.

The only golf disputes from 5dimes that have come up have been obvious errors.

For once I agree with our resident better than us all

[BackDoorCover]

People need to get a clue. Five dimes offers double+ the odds on golfing longshots ALL the time. Every week. This is not new. You won't see double the odds on the favorites, those would be bad lines. When the longshots do hit, 5dimes pays them out.

There have been a couple of times where there were CLEAR errors in golfing odds that were adjusted. And by clear error, we are talking about misplaced digits, ie, paying 10x what the payout should have been. Otherwise, the OP and all the other piler-ons are barking up the wrong tree. 5dimes gives the best golf futures market, and they will pay if you hit one of the plays. End of story.

Show me one verified instance of a generous line (not mistake) golf future being voided?? To my knowledge, there hasn't been one, yet the OP keeps stating that there has been like its a given fact. Complaining about getting reasonable future odds? Unbelievable....

[StraitShooter]

Anyone who does not play at 5 dimes only fuks themselves

where should I play?..BetJam maybe?..they are great too

problem is I like parlaying a ufc-boxing-tennis-soccer-pingpong and buy all the freakin points I want parlay..At 3am in the morning sitting in my underwear watching south park

and they pay with no bull shit..what the fuk are we doing here ith
5 dimes betting options are second to none

[firedawg]

Anyone who does not play at 5 dimes only fuks themselves

where should I play?..BetJam maybe?..they are great too

problem is I like parlaying a ufc-boxing-tennis-soccer-pingpong and buy all the freakin points I want parlay..At 3am in the morning sitting in my underwear watching south park

and they pay with no bull shit..what the fuk are we doing here ith
5 dimes betting options are second to none

i agree with there betting options being top notch..... they pay? yes and fast.... i may be fukking myself by not playing there, but as long as tony is there i will bet elsewhere.

[shari91]

John come on, it wasnt a "few" long shots. EVERY long shot was at least double, some triple. They had over 80 players at +13000 or higher, none of the other 5 books had even 1. The other 5 books had all those players at +8000 to +10000, while 5 dimes had them from +13000 up to +50000. 5 dimes has the right to double and triple payouts from what other books are paying, but you know 5 dimes Tony uses the "bad line" excuse A LOT when someone hits a nice payout, and he doesnt have the right to pump up the payouts to get action and then renege and scream bad line when one of these happens to hit. Again, i didnt want to spend 4 hours listing odds on every single player, but the odds were massively higher on every player except Mickelson and one or two other favorites. Im just saying, all these "bad line" excuses that Tony has been using lately, are in fact not bad lines. They are instances where he bumped the line on some guy he didnt think would win and the guy won. Thanks everyone for the points. I didnt expect points, but appreciate it. Just avoid 5 dimes.

No i dont understand total market. So if ALL of TONY's LINES are DOUBLE/TRIPLE the payout thats OK ? None of his lines were lower than other books. Really, people vote for 5 dimes without ever having played there. they see the advertisements. people use to love aces gold, v wager, mvp, hollywood etc. they all went down

nobs, at betfair right now:

7 players at +99900

45 players between +19900 and +99900

34 players between +10000 and +19900

That's the market. You can't compare 5Dimes lines to other tight-assed books hanging crappy lines. Compare it to the actual market and see where they rate.

As for all of the complaints about Tony not paying out on long shots - again I ask for examples because the only one I remember is the golf one from the poster who came in here earlier. Even just give me the key words to search and I'll find them myself on here

[raydog]

like i said, nobs...just call if you want to bet a longshot that looks extremely nice and verify the line is good...screenshot the shit and bet the fukk out of it... that way theres no problem... but you wont find odds on the top players being that far off from other books...you conspiracy theorist crack me up...none of us have any idea how many times a day Tony has to deal with absolute fukking morons on the phone and in chat...he has seen and heard it all

[CrimsonQueen]

YES. I can't say it enough. Use the calculator.

https://www24.pinnaclesports.com/MWCalculator/MWML.asp

Though it seems like most people are skipping over your posts, Raiders, I quite enjoyed them. Thanks for the link!

[WVU]

why not call him and ask?

simple

If he changes line..maybe nobs is right..maybe he even gets a bonus for pointing it out

If they leave lines the same..I repeat..thread is a waste of time..

nothing against nobs whom is a great poster..just my 2 cents

A few of the big dogs were changed. The tourney already started so no lines are up now.

[BewareOf5Dimes]

fwiw, the shot taker who was betting golf last year was fully aware that the prices were off....not off by 2x or 3x, but 10x (420-1 instead of 42-1)...when you add a "0" to the end of a number, you know its off and you wont be paid by any book... that guy deserved nothing more than to be paid the 42-1 odds (if he deserved to be paid for being a shot taker at all) and you will find that 5dimes and the other books are very close in their odds when it deals with the top 30 or so players in each field... i dont remember if tony paid the guy the 42-1 odds on the bet or not...

as for the longshot prices...if you have a question about them, simply contact them via chat or phone and make it very clear that you intend to bet that price and make sure its okay...sure, it might be a bit of a pain in the ass, but if you are getting 2x or 3x the price of other books, its very well worth it to simply contact them, imo

Shut up, Bitch. I already spoke in this thread and actually stood up for 5Dimes, you little weasel.

I did not take a shot. The line was posted and I bet it. I never heard of idiot Watney until a few weeks before the tournament. Just like I never heard of Ooshazen when I bet $10 on him at 350-1 in the British. Both of these players were ranked between 40 and 60 in the world at the time, too.

Go crawl back under your rock. The bottom line is that even if they claimed that my line was bad, they were scum to wait until my guy was up 3 heading into the last round to let me know, when all my guy had to do was finish in the top 20.

You little bitch. I bet Watney on Tuesday before the tournament. The tournament started Thursday. That is plenty of time to figure it out....not Sunday morning 10 minutes before he is about to tee up 3 and only having to finish in the top 20.

5Dimes took a shot at me. End of story. Bad line or not. That is not my problem, when I am scrolling 500 props and making bets rapid fire if something looks good.

Most every post in this thread is wrong, which is almost unbelievable, since some are arguing for 5 Dimes and some are arguing against 5 Dimes.

You are mostly broke dick losers who can't analyze a given situation to save your ******* life. The Watney odds were 20-1, not 40-1. Other world class players were also listed at that price to finish in the top 20. Figure it out.

What a joke.

[raiders72001]

Though it seems like most people are skipping over your posts, Raiders, I quite enjoyed them. Thanks for the link!