CAUTION --- TONY 5 DIMES TRYING to TAKE A SHOT AT PLAYERS RIGHT NOW.

[elgreco]

What a sharp observation. And what a sharp, yet slimy, strategy on Tony's part.

[Bartmeister]

Never had a problem with 5Dimes..except limits. Good book imo. You won't have any problems if you don't pick bad/loose lines.

Is there an industry standard for what a bad line is? For NBA/Foots is it 2 points? I always wondered moreso on the credit side/PPH shops that shade their lines intentionally one way, to get more action where they want it.

[ForgetWallStreet]

Hypothetically speaking, lets say the longshot did win, even though Tony's odds are in line with Betfair's, could he still claim a bad line, as it is way off compared to the lines at the Greek, Betjam, Bookmaker, Legends etc.?

I guess a better question would be, would SBR agree with him in this hypothetical case?

I'm not going to speculate on what SBR would do, but no unbiased arbitrator with proprietary knowledge would rule those bad lines. They were only "good" lines relative to the crap The Greek and BM had posted.

[sharpcat]

Is this thread a joke or are this many people truly this uneducated about gambling?

I can not believe that someone would compare lines at a reduced juice shop to shops like sportsbook.com, the Greek, and Bookmaker Can't believe this thread has gained so much attention

The problem is that 5dimes is actually offering you generous odds on futures where other books are raping you.

[topgame85]

Is this thread a joke or are this many people truly this uneducated about gambling?

I can not believe that someone would compare lines at a reduced juice shop to shops like sportsbook.com, the Greek, and Bookmaker Can't believe this thread has gained so much attention

The problem is that 5dimes is actually offering you generous odds on futures where other books are raping you.

Come on now. You aare kidding right? For someone who is generally very alert I can not believe you are siding with 5D here. This book and the boss over there are a joke. They are thieves and anyone playing there will be crying in their beer sooner or later.

[chase hardy]

Let me explain why the odds are better. On the other books, there is a field bet, while on 5dimes he lists all the players in the tournament which generates better odds on them. He will pay the long shots off.

[Bartmeister]

Is this thread a joke or are this many people truly this uneducated about gambling?

I can not believe that someone would compare lines at a reduced juice shop to shops like sportsbook.com, the Greek, and Bookmaker Can't believe this thread has gained so much attention

The problem is that 5dimes is actually offering you generous odds on futures where other books are raping you.

I think more people are just worried about the possibility of not being credited with the winnings (if their wager wins). based on the prior 5dimes threads where sometimes if the payouts are "too good" you won't get paid.

[jjgold]

As far as crying bad lines it comes down to the integrity of the owners at these sportsbooks

I do not think we get too many disputes with Tony either

[shari91]

I think more people are just worried about the possibility of not being credited with the winnings (if their wager wins). based on the prior 5dimes threads where sometimes if the payouts are "too good" you won't get paid.

Remember, we're talking about the sportsbook here. Not the casino. The recent cases with the casino have no bearing on what nobs stated in his original post.

The only thread I remember where a golf bet didn't get paid off it was because the poster bet an obviously bad line. The poster has even come into this thread and said that's why he bet it.

I'm not saying other threads don't exist about people's future bets not being paid out as maybe I've missed them but I'd appreciate it if someone could post links in here or at least give me the details so I can read them for myself.

[Dr.Gonzo]

Why'd you nominate the OP Gold when the thread is bullshit?

[lt56]

This is another complete crap post with a lot of idiots commenting without thinking. If a book is +6000 and another is +10000 it means absolutely nothing. The +10000 is not a bad line. Either the line maker feels that one of the favorites will win so he's setting higher long shot odds to suck people into losing with a long shot; or the books were hit with heavy money on the favorites and they're trying to even out the money by bringing in money on long shots. The examples shown here by the OP are not bad lines; they simply are not far enough away from other books to warrant 5Dimes from claiming a bad line won. Never has anyone posted here who legitimately got ripped off by 5Dimes Sportsbook.

[shari91]

Why'd you nominate the OP Gold when the thread is bullshit?

For all of JJ's chirping about Betfair, I'm surprised he didn't go check the lines there himself before hitting the nominate button.

[sharpcat]

Come on now. You aare kidding right? For someone who is generally very alert I can not believe you are siding with 5D here. This book and the boss over there are a joke. They are thieves and anyone playing there will be crying in their beer sooner or later.

Looking at the odds to win the World Series at 5dimes and Bookmaker right now.

5dimes over round 121.1228%
Bookmaker over round 165.9901%
Average -110/-110 line 104.76%

Bookmaker and all the other non reduced juice books are raping you on future odds not 5dimes

If there was a case of a a bad line 5dimes over round would be <100%

[MendozaLine]

Don't ever talk shit on a Sponsor.

[jgilmartin]

Sum up the overround for the entire event. If it falls below 100% then we can start discussing if 5Dimes is hanging intentionally bad lines.

It's not unusual for one book to feel a golfer has a 2% shot (+4900) and another book to differ by 1% and have him at +9900.

THIS. This thread reaffirms that the majority of people on here:

1. Will attack a sportsbook without actually considering any of the facts.
2. Have no concept of implied probability.
3. Have an optimal bet size of 0.

[durito]

I'm a bit surprised at the astonishment from some posters in this thread. This shizzit is not regulated by our gov't.. hence the guys who run these gambling sites (sports, casino, whatever) can do whatever they want!

Seriously, what is anyone gonna do about it. Like the mods spit out a couple times here, 5 Dimes was voted by SBR posters as one of the best and there are still numerous complaint threads. I would hate to see the complaint list from a non-A book.

Seems like for the most part the top ones pay out a great percentage, but when they don't feel like it there's no police to make them give you your money if they don't want to.

You don't want to hear this, but this is why the US gov't says internet gambling is illegal. There's nothing they can do if these people screw you and there's no surefire way that you can guarantee you'll get what your owed.

So what do you want, euro style regulation and 200% holds on futures markets?

[raiders72001]

Is this thread a joke or are this many people truly this uneducated about gambling?

I can not believe that someone would compare lines at a reduced juice shop to shops like sportsbook.com, the Greek, and Bookmaker Can't believe this thread has gained so much attention

The problem is that 5dimes is actually offering you generous odds on futures where other books are raping you.

you beat me to it. 5Dimes should be praised for those odds and not crucified. Steak Tarter pointed out that "intent" is the key.

If they post a line at +4500 when it should be +450, that's an obvious bad line. If 5Dimes is putting up 100-1 when everyone else is in the 50-1 range, 5Dimes is just putting up better odds.

[William Walters]

As far as crying bad lines it comes down to the integrity of the owners at these sportsbooks

I do not think we get too many disputes with Tony either

Sounds like JJ got his hand slapped this morning.

[raiders72001]

5Dimes is a top notch book.

[jjgold]

Sounds like JJ got his hand slapped this morning.

I got a call

[raydog]

fwiw, the shot taker who was betting golf last year was fully aware that the prices were off....not off by 2x or 3x, but 10x (420-1 instead of 42-1)...when you add a "0" to the end of a number, you know its off and you wont be paid by any book... that guy deserved nothing more than to be paid the 42-1 odds (if he deserved to be paid for being a shot taker at all) and you will find that 5dimes and the other books are very close in their odds when it deals with the top 30 or so players in each field... i dont remember if tony paid the guy the 42-1 odds on the bet or not...

as for the longshot prices...if you have a question about them, simply contact them via chat or phone and make it very clear that you intend to bet that price and make sure its okay...sure, it might be a bit of a pain in the ass, but if you are getting 2x or 3x the price of other books, its very well worth it to simply contact them, imo

[lukahh]

This thread is very interesting. SBR has not commented on it (i dont count dispatching SBRJohn making evasive political comments).

It's obvious what is going on, and thanks to OP for pointing it out.

[Monte]

5Dimes is a top notch book.

A top notch book doesn't have a gangster as boss, who talks to customers in a serious biz (and it always is with money involved) as if they were his little bitches.
Now i don't know if those future odds they give add up (as in 5D still has the edge overall), but what i do know is that a shop ran by Tony will never be fking top notch.

[raiders72001]

Justin - How about a video? You are articulate and can explain that 5Dimes is not trying to cheat the player. Instead, they are putting up great odds for the player.

[William Walters]

It's interesting how many old posters........who don't post on a daily basis.........are popping up in support of 5Dimes.

Do they scan players talk, but just not post much these days? Or, were they solicited to post in support of 5Dimes?

[raiders72001]

It's interesting how many old posters........who don't post on a daily basis.........are popping up in support of 5Dimes.

Do they scan players talk, but just not post much these days? Or, were they solicited to post in support of 5Dimes?

It's linked at another forum. Some of the interesting threads here will get linked there.Their opinion is much different than it is here at SBR. Most praise 5Dimes for the generous odds.

[raiders72001]

Today, 09:57 AM
durito
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Re: 5 Dimes shot taking again. This time golf longshots
There is no validity to this complaint, none.

5dimes offers a competitively priced futures market for golf winners. The odds are comparable to the market (betfair). Bookmaker and their 2million% hold is not the market.

5dimes has done this for quite some time.

The only 2 golf disputes versus 5dimes that have come up on the forums were obvious errors. +2400 when it should have been +240.

....links aren't intended. Looks like image URLs are posted.

[raiders72001]

Today, 10:51 AM
Will Race For Food
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 4,920


Re: 5 Dimes shot taking again. This time golf longshots
CRIS and Greek's hold on futures borders on larncenous and has since they opened.

That is the problem not the other way.


But one would actually have to be a bettor of some sort to know that.

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[raiders72001]

Today, 10:01 AM
phatbastard
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,800


Re: 5 Dimes shot taking again. This time golf longshots
Quote:
Originally Posted by durito
There is no validity to this complaint, none.

5dimes offers a competitively priced futures market for golf winners. The odds are comparable to the market (betfair). Bookmaker and their 2million% hold is not the market.

5dimes has done this for quite some time.

The only 2 golf disputes versus 5dimes that have come up on the forums were obvious errors. +2400 when it should have been +240.

I agree 100%

They have done this with futures for as long as I remember, I look at NASCAR futures every week at 5Dimes and they beat every book out there with the odds they offer especially on the longshots.

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[raiders72001]

durito makes the best point here.

The odds are comparable to the market (betfair)

[acarmelo1]

Is this thread a joke or are this many people truly this uneducated about gambling?

I can not believe that someone would compare lines at a reduced juice shop to shops like sportsbook.com, the Greek, and Bookmaker Can't believe this thread has gained so much attention

The problem is that 5dimes is actually offering you generous odds on futures where other books are raping you.

In that case I can open a book and if everybody has Lakers +2 I will give
Lakers +4. If Lakers bet win I will play the bad line rule. If lakers loses I will say nothing. I can do this everytime.

[raiders72001]

In that case I can open a book and if everybody has Lakers +2 I will give
Lakers +4. If Lakers bet win I will play the bad line rule. If lakers loses I will say nothing. I can do this everytime.

This isn't even close to the golf situation. The theoretical hold at most of the books is huge in golf. 5Dimes odds are similar to the exchanges which have a lower holds in golf. The lines are good and won't be called bad lines.

[wiffle]

lol

the difference between +6000 and +10000 is about the same as the difference between -107 and -110

[B1GER1C828]

good shit nobs. tony is bushleague when it comes to his sportsbook. shady as fuk.

[lt56]

Come on now. You aare kidding right? For someone who is generally very alert I can not believe you are siding with 5D here. This book and the boss over there are a joke. They are thieves and anyone playing there will be crying in their beer sooner or later.

The only joke are all the morons who are posting here and crying like little kids; instead of recgnizing that 5Dimes offers the best odds if you like a long shot. 5 Dimes has never had 1 sportsbook complaint; that's been posted here where 5Dimes did anything wrong. The casino arguement had valid points on both ends but never has someone posted a sportsbook complaint that had any validity. This thread is proof why bookies win; tons of gamblers are morons. None of the lines posted by OP are bad lines--the OTHER sports books simply rip off gamblers who take underdogs because the OTHER books don't have the guts that 5Dimes has to pay out what should be paid out for the long shots. I hit Giants(NFL) 3 years ago at 40-1 after Thanxgiving weekend. It wasn't a bad line; it was after the NY Giants lost and looked like crap and dropped out of favor. They came back and killed everyone and 5Dimes paid right away. Last year SF Giants were 18-1 in mid September; hit that also and got paid right away. Most books had them 14-1 at the time. 5Dimes has guts to challenge gamblers to take long shots and the idiots here send in a thousand moronic posts crying. Dallas was 25-1 2 onths ago at 5dimes; maybe Miami beats them but only 5Dimes was offering this high with most books 20-1. If you like a long shot future; bet with 5Dimes and when you hit you get paid more--this is ALL this post is about