CAUTION --- TONY 5 DIMES TRYING to TAKE A SHOT AT PLAYERS RIGHT NOW.

[raydog]

Shut up, Bitch. I already spoke in this thread and actually stood up for 5Dimes, you little weasel.

I did not take a shot. The line was posted and I bet it. I never heard of idiot Watney until a few weeks before the tournament. Just like I never heard of Ooshazen when I bet $10 on him at 350-1 in the British. Both of these players were ranked between 40 and 60 in the world at the time, too.

Go crawl back under your rock. The bottom line is that even if they claimed that my line was bad, they were scum to wait until my guy was up 3 heading into the last round to let me know, when all my guy had to do was finish in the top 20.

You little bitch. I bet Watney on Tuesday before the tournament. The tournament started Thursday. That is plenty of time to figure it out....not Sunday morning 10 minutes before he is about to tee up 3 and only having to finish in the top 20.

5Dimes took a shot at me. End of story. Bad line or not. That is not my problem, when I am scrolling 500 props and making bets rapid fire if something looks good.

Most every post in this thread is wrong, which is almost unbelievable, since some are arguing for 5 Dimes and some are arguing against 5 Dimes.

You are mostly broke dick losers who can't analyze a given situation to save your ******* life. The Watney odds were 20-1, not 40-1. Other world class players were also listed at that price to finish in the top 20. Figure it out.

What a joke.

i dont remember what the actual line on it was, buddy...(someone mentioned 42-1 earlier, so i went with that...it was just a figure) all i know is there was a 0 added to it or something along those lines and you took a shot at a bad line and thats a fukking fact...you knew it was bad and you took a shot and got caught and then cried about it...i wont argue about it with you, i will simply say that Tony did the right thing as would any book... you can say, all day long, that you didnt know it was bad and that you just played a bunch of props real fast, but thats whoreshit and you know it...

i dont remember what Tony did, but i would have given you the option of having the bet voided and continue to bet as if nothing happened, or paid you on the market value of the bet, sent you a check for what you had in the acct. and told you to kindly take your business somewhere else...

it is absolutely fukking ridiculous for players to cry like little bitches when they try to scam a book and get caught...there are rules put in place at every book regarding bad lines...but do the players read that??? hell no...they simply try to sneak the bet in and cry when they get caught...

Bewareof5dimes, you admitted to betting a lot of golf action...so you knew, without a doubt that when you made that bet (and i think you said you bet it more than once) that the line was bad...you say you didnt know, but it was obvious to most that you did... and you can fukk yourself on the name calling, im not the one who tried to scam the book

[face]

raydog you sound like an asshole.

[wtf]

Looks like 5 Dimes SHILLS outnumbered detractors like 75%

fixed it for your cueball

mr players advocate

does anyone actually read all the dribble for shari?

[shari91]

fixed it for your cueball mr players advocate does anyone actually read all the dribble for shari?

Yes everyone's a shill. Even those of us who have openly come down on 5Dimes at other times for various reasons

[trixtrix]

did someone by mistake log into their gimmick acct? wtf, this is the first post by op that has me legitimately clapping

[antifoil]

just because someone or something is voted the best or tops doesn't mean it actually is. i mean the US did elect george w. for president.....twice.

also this is an excellent post by the OP as a preemptive measure to circumvent 5dimes from calling the lines bad if they win in the future. this is excellent investigative work to shed light on an murky area.

@5dimesbeware i am wonder in your case did the sbr reviewers mention the total market argument they are talking about in this thread when reviewing your case. are is this some bullshit they are using in this case but did not appy to that one.

[boondoggle]

Yeah. That situation was different to what nobs is saying though. In that one, a WWE match was finished and was ruled a double count out and then restarted for whatever reason they do those things in the WWE lol. So a poster had a bet on the guy who eventually won the rematch but obviously there was no winner of the first. So his bet was voided and money returned. SBR got involved and he was presented with the opportunity of either receiving the winnings and closing his account (although he would be allowed to return in the future if he paid back the winnings) or accept the voided bet and continue on as usual. He chose to collect the winnings and leave. I actually Googled and have been reading threads on 3 sites since my earlier post. I started to make a post in here with the result of each of the threads but stopped because I realised I'd just look like a shill Mod. The problem with the threads I'm finding is that either the bet was cancelled before the game took place; there was an obvious error ie one was the Phillies +1.5 being listed at -145 when the ML was -230 or that Tony paid out the bet after reversing the decision of his linesman (home and away teams were listed in the wrong order despite 5Dimes having a written policy of home teams being listed 2nd). And there are many threads where people took an obvious shot, admitted they did and posters jumped on them for expecting to be paid in the first place. Oh and I've found a MW thread from 5+ years ago where a guy was busted multi-accounting and was offered 1/2 payout on his bets. Still looking though

You must have missed these...

http://forum.sbrforum.com/nominated-posts/693877-5dimes-canceled-my-game-what-do.html

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbooks-industry/538515-5dimes-cancelling-my-wc-wagers.html

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbooks-industry/563473-5dimes-voided-bet.html

[Killakrzydav]

You must have missed these...

http://forum.sbrforum.com/nominated-...e-what-do.html
covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=9&sub=100944365

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbooks-industry/538515-5dimes-cancelling-my-wc-wagers.html

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbooks-industry/563473-5dimes-voided-bet.html

Good job. Way to stick it to the selective posting mod.

[Dark Horse]

Yeah he doubles/triples the lines on long shots that wont win anyway, and if one of them does win he calls you a cheating, shot taking, scum bag and he will only pay out at what the odds should have been. At least there are a few complaints from players on this board as to that effect.

If you're not sure about a line, contact the book. 5D had very good odds for the World Cup soccer futures as well. The downside is that limits are low, so 5D is really not exposing itself too much. If you bet the line, it will usually adjust. Then you can bet it again. I've never heard of 5D taking a shot through futures. In fact, I would be much more inclined to think that books as the Greek have the 'bad' line (have you added up all their numbers for the future you researched?).

Your title is sensationalist enough, but if you haven't added up the numbers at 5D to prove that they pay out more than 100% if you bet all players, assume that there is no bad line.

[shari91]

You must have missed these... http://forum.sbrforum.com/nominated-...e-what-do.html http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbook...wc-wagers.html http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbook...oided-bet.html

Nope not at all. These are terrible examples that actually severely decrease the point you're trying to make. Did you actually read those threads or just do a quick Google search???

The guy made a prop bet on Pierzynski not getting a hit. He came in as a pinch hitter 5Dimes rules: Pinch hitters are graded no-action. Bet was voided.

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It was a bad line. The guy got Aston Villa at +136 when it was -160 elsewhere. The lines should've had Portsmouth as the dog but the names were flipped. Not only that, the guy hedged his bet with the other bad line on Portsmouth and the draw. Bet void.

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The guy took the winning soccer team -1. The final score was 2-1. The bet was a push. As it should've been. The guy thought he still should've been paid although he didn't win.

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The guy did an If bet WIN or PUSH. The first bet pushed, meaning the bet lost as the 2nd leg lost. The guy thought because the first leg pushed, his bet should've been voided. Doesn't work that way if you take Win or Push.

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WWE bet already discussed in here. First match was a double no count = no winner. Bet was void.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbooks-industry/538515-5dimes-cancelling-my-wc-wagers.html

The guy bet on Spain -2. They won by 2. The bet was a push. The guy thought he should've received "winnings".

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbooks-industry/563473-5dimes-voided-bet.html

On another note, not obvious to gamblers but in market speak as Justin7 said, it was a pretty off line being overnight and no other 9s in sight. http://www.sbrforum.com/Scores/MLB+O...899/Total.aspx Even their own reduced juice lineset was hanging 9.5 and some people went over to full juice menu to get the 9.

The guy was paid his winnings in the end.

[shari91]

Good job. Way to stick it to the selective posting mod.

I suggest you actually click those links before congratulating anyone next time.

[Mastertvtech]

Get into a chat, ask if the line is correct and save the chat log.

Real simple, no way to weasel out of paying...Even SBR would have to side with the player.

[raiders72001]

The lines were comparable to the market and 5dimes is going to get a lot more action on their multi-way futures then comparable books. Just like 5Dimes offers the best prices on the favorites, when they get bets on the said favorites, they need to adjust their multway calculator to offer bettor prices on players who have not have as much action booked on them. It is unreal that claiming 6000 to 10000 is anything like 1/4.5 to 1/45 or whatever the other dispute was. The difference between the 6000/10000 is just more than a real16 vig. I cannot understand how freethinking people could use these posts to incite their disposition against 5Dimes. Hate Tony cause he treats customers like crap, thats fine, but to engineer this idea that these prices are off and he is shot taking is irresponsible.

Nobs, I see you have way too much time on your hands after not being able to buy northfaces for 17 yr olds but please do something more constructive with that time than this crap.

sharp post.

[kero214]

nobs, when you said a few times in your first post "every other book", did you check betfair for what the market price actually is?

Wish there a way to give a post Thumbs Down.

[kero214]

For all of JJ's chirping about Betfair, I'm surprised he didn't go check the lines there himself before hitting the nominate button.

Who let the police in this thread? Thought grown men were talkin here.

[kero214]

I did try to tell you guys in the first posts of this thread to calculate his market to see if the lines were off before making a lot of foolish posts. If you would have, you would have found the lines to be perfectly fine. But hey, its a fun Whack-A-Tony thread and I don't want to spoil it so by all means continue on.

Nice pink bow there John, I like the way you match it with your pom poms.

[shari91]

Who let the police in this thread? Thought grown men were talkin here.

So did I. Instead I'm looking at posts where people obviously don't understand why the lines mentioned in nobs original post are what they are. Worse, I've got someone pointing out examples to me of supposed 5Dimes theft when 4 out of the 7 links posted featured people thinking they should've gotten paid when they obviously shouldn't have. If that's the definition of a "grown man", then you can all have at it and I'll let you carry on with it.

[biff]

I know this is not the same subject but it does involve 5dimes. I noticed their rewards are pretty much crap. Not only do you have to email them (shows 1999 crap out dated software) to ask for them I hear a good amount of people get denied them or the bonus is not even close to what it should have been. they do not have what every other sportsbook does under the sun either: "betpoints" that you can get for betting that you can redeem for cash etc.

I know this book well. In fact, it is the only book i have been using for years. I have shopped around as of late and to me 5dimes is lacking. They always got a problem if a player wins big, crap rewards and of course Tony. They do payout though when they think you did not cheat them however. Heck, before i started my year long losing streak I was about to get kicked off for doing to well. I started getting warnings about something called screenscraping. They were very rude about the whole thing and would not let me back in till I talked to someone.

Even with all that I typing I am still going to be using their book, though. Do not know why though. They for sure are not an A+ book.

Oh, and for those who think im just a "bonus whore" whining about their rewards: I went with their reduced juice instead of bonus. I could have emailed and claimed casino rewards many times but never cared to go through the hassle. SO I am no bonus whore. In fact, I do not like bonuses to begin with but I know people do. I do not like how some have a rollover etc. The point is they are lacking in features to be considered an A+ book.

[raiders72001]

As shari points out, you have to check out the market price and theoretical hold. You can use Betfair for the Market Price. Another nice site to check is BetBrain.

Pinnacle uses a certain percentage to determine if a line is bad or not for sides and totals. I don't remember the exact % but I think they consider it a bad line if it's off by 9% from the consensus line.

It would be nice for SBR to set some type of standard to determine if a line is bad or not for sides and totals. Use Pinny, CRIS and Greek for a consensus line and then set a percentage that would constitute a bad line.

[boondoggle]

Shari,

You nor anyone else has answered my post about the casino case where Tony voided the winnings. What about all the losers prior to that case on same casino game? They should have been refunded.

also, the 7 links were quickly put together and you said 3 were legit...that was with 5 mins of looking. I will find more.

here is one..

http://forum.sbrforum.com/nba-basketball-handicapping/957809-5-dimes-bunch-crooks.html

[raiders72001]

On futures a market price can't be set unless there is "yes" and "no" wagering or there is an exchange.

If 7 books have a future at 20-1 but an exchange has it set at 50-1, then 50-1 is the market price. You can also get a market price from Pinny or other books using yes/no.

Ex."
Will Djokoviv win ATP
Yes -130
No +100

The market price is the no-vig line +/- 113.04

[shari91]

Shari, You nor anyone else has answered my post about the casino case where Tony voided the winnings. What about all the losers prior to that case on same casino game? They should have been refunded. also, the 7 links were quickly put together and you said 3 were legit...that was with 5 mins of looking. I will find more.

I did NOT say 3 were legit. I said 4 of the 7 were people thinking they should've been paid when they "obviously" shouldn't have. As in: Even a novice bettor would typically be aware that you don't get paid winnings when you have -1 and the final score is 2-1. None of the 7 you posted were "legit". Of the remaining 3, one was a bad line, one was determined by the rules posted on 5Dimes (WWE) and the 3rd while still being a bad line - a line where the reduced juice was worse than the full vig section - the poster was still paid.

As for the casino issue, it's irrelevant to this thread and there are already numerous other threads where 5Dimes casino is discussed.

Don't worry, I'm still looking for links in between doing other things. I've spent a couple of hours on this already and am not coming up with anything. If/when I do, I'll be sure to post them.

[boondoggle]

As for the casino issue, it's irrelevant to this thread and there are already numerous other threads where 5Dimes casino is discussed.

it is relevant..because it shows 5dimes taking peoples money unfairly..which is what this thread is mainly about. The OP just used golf lines as an example.

DID 5DIMES REFUND THE MONEY TO PRIOR LOSERS OF THE CASINO GAME WHERE THEY REFUSED TO PAY OUT THE BIG WINNER.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/nba-basketball-handicapping/957809-5-dimes-bunch-crooks.html

The post above...he placed bets..they were cancelled...cited bad line...guess that counts eh mate.

[durito]

it is relevant..because it shows 5dimes taking peoples money unfairly..which is what this thread is mainly about. The OP just used golf lines as an example.

DID 5DIMES REFUND THE MONEY TO PRIOR LOSERS OF THE CASINO GAME WHERE THEY REFUSED TO PAY OUT THE BIG WINNER.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/nba-basketball-handicapping/957809-5-dimes-bunch-crooks.html

The post above...he placed bets..they were cancelled...cited bad line...guess that counts eh mate.

It was an obvious bad line. How ******* dumb are you?

[shari91]

http://forum.sbrforum.com/nba-basket...ch-crooks.html

As for this one:

The poster bet +400 on the Knicks 2H. The Knicks were leading 59-57 at halftime. A very bad line as anyone with slight knowledge of NBA betting would know.

boondoggle, please read the threads before posting links. It'll save us both time and save me from racking up my post count even higher.

[shari91]

http://forum.sbrforum.com/nba-basketball-handicapping/957809-5-dimes-bunch-crooks.html

The post above...he placed bets..they were cancelled...cited bad line...guess that counts eh mate.

Now I'm convinced you're not being serious.

+400 on the team leading at the half is not a bad line????? Oh my.

[boondoggle]

I will state it again, if so many "bad" lines are being posted then 5dimes is

1. either incompetent

2. stupid

either way---do not play there.

[durito]

I will state it again, if so many "bad" lines are being posted then 5dimes is

1. either incompetent

2. stupid

either way---do not play there.

There are tons of books that post way more bad lines. Every book posts bad lines nearly everyday.

You link threads where people think they should be paid on -1 when the score was 2-1 and you are calling 5dimes incompetent and stupid?

[Killakrzydav]

I suggest you actually click those links before congratulating anyone next time.

[boondoggle]

I have wagered thousands upon thousands of dollars at other books and not one single time have I had a wager cancelled due to bad line.

[raiders72001]

I will state it again, if so many "bad" lines are being posted then 5dimes is

1. either incompetent

2. stupid

either way---do not play there.

5Dimes isn't posting any more "bad" lines then the rest of the books. They are just posting better lines on futures and this is nothing new. It didn't just start.

[yahoonino]

Never trust an Italian named Tony.

hey i resent that,,,,,,,,,

[boondoggle]

Further...is there any proof..that 5dimes cancels these "bad" lines if they lose and not just when they win?

[evo34]

I do not believe that 5 Dimes is scheming to steal money by offering inflated futures odds on longshots. Furthermore, the guy betting on Watney should stop claiming he was some unknown golfer. Watney was top-40 ranked in the world for most of 2010. He would never be priced in the bottom 10% of the field. However, I am curious in the case of the Watney bet being cancelled....assuming the account of the timeline of realization is accurate (Tony did not realize till late in the tourney), is there any chance he would have voided a bunch of losing bets in the absence of a winner? In other words, has anyone here (at 5 Dimes or anywhere else) ever had a book cancel a clearly losing bet while the event was still in progress? And let's specify that there were no won or likely-to-win bets on other bad lines at the same time. So the sequence would be: bet a bad line, that bet looks like it will be a clear loser, and then get informed by the book more than halfway through the event that the bet is void. This would obviously be a very rare situation, but wondering if it has ever actually occurred.

[shari91]

Further...is there any proof..that 5dimes cancels these "bad" lines if they lose and not just when they win?

Not sure. Haven't been looking for those. But in that Aston Villa link you posted, the bet was cancelled 13 hours BEFORE the match started and he was emailed about the cancellation. Instead of checking his email, he woke up the next day and had a hissy fit after checking his 5Dimes account and not seeing his "winnings" there. The result was that thread.