tony is god..........just ask him.
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yeah i remember another of his many complaints where he told the player that he was god.
Went something like this.
Player -- how can you cancel my winning bet.
Tony -- Because I am god.
What great CS. Of course, if you can pay for people to do your bidding I guess you dont have to have any CS skills at all.
Its funny how no one mentions Aces Gold, V Wager, MVP Sportsbook, BHB, HollyWood, BetCamelot, etc. All former A books now bankrupt. So dont let the A rating fool youComment -
yes........... thats how our conversation wentComment -
5Dimes should be down grade to B+ for now, they got too many complaints. I like to see them down grade before the new NFL season start.Comment -
I would rather snort my money up in blow than to send a dime to this sketchy outfit. If I really took SBR ratings seriously I would not be betting offshore because if this is what a A+ book looks like there is no hope.Comment -
wow..hey legitbet, what you say? dont you talk to tony from time to time?Comment -
he cancelled several wagers with good lines alsoComment -
his wrestlemania debacle alsoComment -
NOBS, This just isn't about 5dimes, it's about all books that have been exploiting this for some time now. PLEASE list the bad lines you saw in a seperate thread appropriately titled. Hopefully others will contribute and we can help all the other players on the board. I will give you points to start the thread.Comment -
Did you not read my post? The original post is about bets made into borderline "bad" lines that the OP thinks would not get paid. My question is whether this book or any other would ever cancel a clear losing bet that was made into a bad line? I would assume not (not a single person has claimed otherwise), in which case unintentional errors provide books with free shots at players, in which case all books should striving to have as many errors as possible without losing too much action.
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it does seem very hard to imagine so many bad lines at a book run by God. hard to figure......unless maybe he's not "God."Comment -
"Well first I want to say, I like SBR and I am not trying to piss on one of their advertisers, but still the turth is the truth." NOBS, that's SBR'S job to keep their advertisers happy, not yours. If we don't have the guts or the oppurtunity to speak out against unfairness regardless of the book, it's over.Comment -
Let's just pretend it is a different company altogether! Shari, since you are a mod here, will you start a sticky on industry or players talk where players can report: 1) line errors 2) book involved 3) what if any compensation given to player for reporting the bad line. The players are told repeatedly that line errors are just that, and the books appreciate the reporting of them. Also, perhaps SBR point could be awarded to players that find them as well.Remember, we're talking about the sportsbook here. Not the casino. The recent cases with the casino have no bearing on what nobs stated in his original post.
The only thread I remember where a golf bet didn't get paid off it was because the poster bet an obviously bad line. The poster has even come into this thread and said that's why he bet it.
I'm not saying other threads don't exist about people's future bets not being paid out as maybe I've missed them but I'd appreciate it if someone could post links in here or at least give me the details so I can read them for myself.
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this is a nice, yet, completely useless idea, scott... it has already been proven that NOBS has absolutely no clue whatsoever what a bad line is and how one is calculated...so although it is a nice idea, it would be filled with nothing but guesses and bad examples of what people think constitutes a "bad line" ... still remains a very pointless bash thread from guys who have absolutely no experience with winning long shot golf bets at 5dimes and are doing nothing but assuming they wouldnt be paid...Comment -
I can definitely talk to Admin for you about this but one of the biggest problems I forsee though is that if it turns into a thread like this, where people are claiming bad lines when in actual fact they're good lines but they didn't check the market, then it's going to turn into a messy thread that doesn't really help anyone at all. It'll just become another 10+ pger like this one where some are crying foul, others are trying to explain that comparing the line to other US facing books isn't making a comparison to the actual market - you need to check an exchange as that's the real market, and nothing substantial comes out of the thread.Comment -
shari, thats what i just said...typical broad never listening...its all talk talk talk...unreal
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haha sorry Ray. I started to post and then stepped away from the computer for a minute. You must've got yours in there in between.
fwiw, it was in that 20pg golf thread 9mths ago that nobs keeps referencing that you, amongst others taught me about all of this stuff. Changed my tune from ranting at Tony in the first few pages to explaining to me how and why it's important to check Betfair for true lines when I'm ever in doubt.
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Been playing at 5dimes for over 10 years...odds for Memorial are typcial and no different than any other week. Whenever I want to play a future wager on golf or other sports 5dimes has best odds 95% of the time. This is obviously their business model.
The only time they don't pay is when there is a typo, such as an extra zero in the line. To suggest that he won't pay on a 100-1 play when other books have 50-1 is just plain dumb. Amazing how many posters on this forum buy into this.Comment -
Shari, let's not over think this. Player's report the bad line to the sticky thread, many or most have already contacted the book before they post it to SBR. Since when have "messy threads ever been a concern anyway?Comment -
After browsing this place for years to hear industry news, it finally took the most retarded thread in the history of the internet by a T-4 candidate named Nobs to actually register and make a post.
Let me explain some math to you son, the reason 5 Dimes has much longer odds to win on golfers to win tournaments than other books is because THEY ARE PRICING USING A LOWER THEORETICAL HOLD. Have you ever calculated the theoretical margins for futures odds on a golf tournament (or any multiple entry futures market)? I'm making an educated guess you haven't, don't understand the concept, and wouldn't know how to calculate it even if you wanted to. By the way, i have calculated the holds with fields as large as 150 players.
5Dimes on PGA events is not only offering prices on every golfer entered, they usually have a theoretical hold somewhere around 9%-11%. Most European books are using holds around 18%-25% and Vegas obviously are thieves by jacking 40%+ holds. Places like the greek and bodog are using 15-20%+ holds on full field golf events.
So the reason your getting 100-1 on a golfer to win, when they're 60-1 everywhere else, is because THEY ARE USING A LOWER MARGIN. And they're are actually morons on this thread complaining about that? Some of you sheep that are thinking this idiot is on to some "conspiracy" need to wake up.
I've been betting on golf for 12 years. Not that that's my profession, but I love golf action, regardless if i'm playing, or watching pro's. 5dimes is the king of golf wagering. Not only discounted futures to win on PGA events, but also more plausable pools like top 10 finish, and top 5 finish. Not to mention, the European Tour, The Champions Tour, and even tours like the Nationwide, Japan, and South Africa which NOBODY else offers (the hold is quite high on Nationwide futures though).
I have ALWAYS been paid when cashing a golfer at 5Dimes, ALWAYS. And I've hit a few 100-1 + shots that were obviously shorter odds everywhere else.(once cashed 10k on a 50-1 shot for $200.) Being that I am a student of golf markets, I also see when they make obvious mistakes, which they do quite regularly ( which is natural when your putting over 700 prices out on multiple markets on 5 different tours in a 2 day span) What do I do when i see an obvious error? I call them or e-mail them to let them know so they can change it.
If there is a price that seems very generous, but not neccesarily an error, I call or e-mail to confirm the validity before i bet it.
People who bet on golf should be rejoicing that there is a 5Dimes. Believe me when I tell you, they are the most bettor friendly markets by far. And if you understood gambling, you'd realize that even at industry low 9% theoretical holds, the book will do just fine with volume.
It just infuriates me that people with no clue of what they're talking about make worthless and slanderous threads like this.
I'm glad that there is a book that offers low juice on sports like golf, and that means we as players need to protect them when they make mistakes, and not look to exploit them. And clueless posters like Nobs should shovel their brand of uneducated trash somewhere else.Comment -
scott...with all the kids fighting, airbets running wild and story telling going on around here, a thread that will be filled with clueless and flat out wrong information is that last thing the place needs to "sticky" ... at a few other forums, this idea would work...but it wont work here, unfortunately...
oh, i just read your last post...and yeah, we could all post bad lines that the book agrees is bad...but then its changed and posting it doesnt really do any good...human error makes mistakes daily.
Indio, good to see you buddy... boys, listen to this guy and learn somethingComment -
No Scott, they don't. As evidenced by this thread alone. Nor do some posters obviously know what constitutes a bad line because they haven't bothered to check or even educate themselves on what determines a bad line. Nor do they contact the book half the time before complaining about being "cheated" after their bets have been cancelled ie as evidenced by some of the links boondoggle posted.
Regardless, I'll let you know the response when I work my next shift.
ETA - I should note however that "stickied" threads are usually solely reserved for forum notices from Admin so I have my doubts that this will fall into a category that warrants being pinned to the top of a subforum.Comment -
Also, be clear, I'm talking about "bad lines" in general, not specific to this case. Frankly I don't know anything about golf lines at all, but I bet I can easily spot a line that is way off. It's not rocket surgery.Comment -
Have you ever seen a book refund a bet on a bad line that was a loser?Comment -
Not that I can recall as far as giving you an example. But then again, would anyone come running to the forum to say they bet a bad line and they received their money back when the bet lost? Maybe they would, I'm not sure. I probably wouldn't. Although I might mention it casually in the midst of another thread. Just doesn't seem like the type of thread that would generate as much interest or excitement as one claiming foul. Especially against someone as "popular" lol as Tony. And there would be no need for SBR involvement so I can't see someone new signing up here to post that - as is often the case when someone is complaining about a book.
I'll take a look tomorrow when I'm back online and have some time to search.
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unreal. they are not accidental errors. they have been changed deliberately. 5 dimes is an ok book and has some benefits and some disadvantages too.
are you guys really this naive? You would get manipulated so easily on the streets. Tony sounds a lot like the blacks and deceptive arabs that live in my area.a good word to describe him based on all the responses i have heard is cunningCause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
so tony and the boys at 5dimes are purposely putting out bad lines on obscure long shots so that they can just collect money if it loses??? goat, you really have no clue buddy... you , along with 95% of the people in this thread, need to learn how a line is declared "bad" in the first place... fwiw, books dont have to cheat in order to make money...this thread has seriously made me dumber.
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i'm not claiming anything except Tony is probably a very deceptive person and he is probably smart and 95% of people in this thread get their information from books and the internet. Manipulation is an art, you learn this on the street, you know thisso tony and the boys at 5dimes are purposely putting out bad lines on obscure long shots so that they can just collect money if it loses??? goat, you really have no clue buddy... you , along with 95% of the people in this thread, need to learn how a line is declared "bad" in the first place... fwiw, books dont have to cheat in order to make money...this thread has seriously made me dumber.Cause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment
