CAUTION --- TONY 5 DIMES TRYING to TAKE A SHOT AT PLAYERS RIGHT NOW.

[evo34]

Uh, that's a handout. You're somehow trying to hold a book liable for not posting a half time line to let you flatten a position? If you're not comfortable with the risk of a bet, don't make it.

I never wanted a 'handout'. Are you serious? lol I asked -on chat- for a halftime line that you agreed should have been available. I waited for that line for ten minutes. It never came. This was for a televised game between two of the world's best soccer nations... You fully agreed that the line should have been up. That's not in question. You were very unhappy with your soccer department as well. Also on record. As to the alleged handout. After seeing the first half, I wanted out of my bet, and would have gladly paid the juice to do so; with the halftime score at 0-0. This is all live, during halftime. Where is the free handout Tony? The one that got the free handout is you. Just so you understand. This is not about money, -it wasn't very much-, but about seeing eye to eye. If we can't see eye to eye there is no reason to continue doing business. If you want to be right even when you admit you're wrong, be my guest. Sweet dreams to you.

[shari91]

DH, you know me - please give me the reduced thought version.

You had bet the game and wanted to get out at half but 5Dimes didn't post a HT line?

I'm sure it's more than what I'm reading because if not, I'd say welcome to Australia. Land of the regulated books, guaranteed payouts yet FT games with no half time lines posted is almost par for the course. In fact, I'm sure if I started a thread where I asked if Aussies ever experienced soccer matches posted without even bloody totals, the response rate would be 100%. My response when I've wanted to get out at half was to go elsewhere. No line posted, that's it - time to shop around.

Again - I'm not comparing my situation to yours. Just trying to see if I'm making sense of it all as I'd love to stick it to these Aussie books for not offering this stuff if that's "the norm".

[Dark Horse]

Halftime lines for televised games are standard with top books. Tony knows that. That's why he admitted to the mistake. (believe me, he wouldn't have done so otherwise).

[LotsoCheese]

Looks like I will be staying away from 5dimes from now on. I liked them too.

[Dark Horse]

Anyway, I don't want to turn this into a debate. Already wasted enough time on this. I'll be out of the book without hard feelings. Just something that ran its course and is over. And to be clear, if I hadn't been right there, in their face, at halftime, I wouldn't have said anything about the line missing in action.

[shari91]

Halftime lines for televised games are standard with top books. Tony knows that. That's why he admitted to the mistake. (believe me, he wouldn't have done so otherwise).

So in your eyes what was the ideal solution? Again, with some of this stuff you know I'm just trying to learn. Here they have these bloody soccer matches televised constantly. What's my argument as to why they're obligated to offer me HT lines? And what's my remedy if they say "yeah we should have" but didn't? Help please

[Grandmaster B]

So in your eyes what was the ideal solution? Again, with some of this stuff you know I'm just trying to learn. Here they have these bloody soccer matches televised constantly. What's my argument as to why they're obligated to offer me HT lines? And what's my remedy if they say "yeah we should have" but didn't? Help please

basically

Tony refused to post a halftime line because he didnt want people to hedge their full game bets...

since the score was 0-0 at halftime

chicken shit move

but hey...5dimes isnt hurting for cash

they can pay out full balances all at once 10times over

[Grandmaster B]

Uh, that's a handout. You're somehow trying to hold a book liable for not posting a half time line to let you flatten a position? If you're not comfortable with the risk of a bet, don't make it.

you're betting halftime bets on every single game possible in the NBA NFL etc all night...

then out of the blue the book decides "we wont be offering a halftime line on this particular game though!"

mickey mouse tactics

then again you sound like the type of guy who plays at mickey mouse books

[shari91]

basically Tony refused to post a halftime line because he didnt want people to hedge their full game bets... since the score was 0-0 at halftime chicken shit move but hey...5dimes isnt hurting for cash they can pay out full balances all at once 10times over

Genuine question: Is that why lines aren't posted?

I always see them on Betfair so I jump on there. And I've never heard anyone complain before DH about them not being posted at 5Dimes so I had assumed it was just a case of missing the window.

But I honestly can't compare to here because they're usually not posted at wacko times (for us) and even during normal hours. But randomly they're posted throughout the day. No rhyme or reason to it though.

[Dark Horse]

So in your eyes what was the ideal solution? Again, with some of this stuff you know I'm just trying to learn. Here they have these bloody soccer matches televised constantly. What's my argument as to why they're obligated to offer me HT lines? And what's my remedy if they say "yeah we should have" but didn't? Help please

If the roles were reversed I would have said something like: 'Tony, I appreciate your business, and I don't want to let a little thing like this get in the way of that. My soccer department was wrong not to hang that line (real chat:
Tony: the entire soccer dept is getting their ass reamed
Tony: should not have happened)
and I will gladly cancel your full-time wager on the game, since you couldn't make the halftime adjustment you had in mind. My apologies for the inconvenience."

Entire problem solved. A little courtesy goes a long way. Instead I get an accusation that I wanted a free handout. Right. That's why I contacted them at halftime...

[shari91]

Ok Granny, here's the 2nd part of my question: Tony didn't post the 2H line because he didn't want people to hedge their bets according to you.

What if anything is the proper remedy to the player? Do they owe the player anything or is that the book's choice as to which lines to hang?

I know you're going to think I'm being a smartass or a shill but if you actually look at my posts in this subforum for the past year you'll realise I'm just trying to learn.

[Grandmaster B]

Ok Granny, here's the 2nd part of my question: Tony didn't post the 2H line because he didn't want people to hedge their bets according to you.

What if anything is the proper remedy to the player? Do they owe the player anything or is that the book's choice as to which lines to hang?

I know you're going to think I'm being a smartass or a shill but if you actually look at my posts in this subforum for the past year you'll realise I'm just trying to learn.

no

the book does not owe anything to the player

just a mickey mouse move

ask around about the term "mickey mouse" and how it relates to a sportsbook

[shari91]

If the roles were reversed I would have said something like: 'Tony, I appreciate your business, and I don't want to let a little thing like this get in the way of that. My soccer department was wrong not to hang that line (real chat:
Tony: the entire soccer dept is getting their ass reamed
Tony: should not have happened)
and I will gladly cancel your full-time wager on the game, since you couldn't make the halftime adjustment you had in mind. My apologies for the inconvenience."

Entire problem solved. A little courtesy goes a long way. Instead I get an accusation that I wanted a free handout. Right. That's why I contacted them at halftime...

Fair enough.

And forgive me for what may seem like the Inquisition but like I said, here it's quite the norm for a book to offer FT lines and nothing at HT, or even a game total. So I'm just trying to familiarise myself with what's the norm or what's expected of offshore books. I guess we're just more in the habit of "if the line isn't up at A go to B" but maybe that's not the case offshore. This stuff is definitely helpful to me so I thank you

[Dark Horse]

The reason he didn't give me the line is that he didn't want me to hammer it. He wasn't worried about hedging. It was about hammering that line, because there was probably not much action on the game.

[Grandmaster B]

The reason he didn't give me the line is that he didn't want me to hammer it. He wasn't worried about hedging. It was about hammering that line, because there was probably not much action on the game.

either way...regardless as to the specific reason as to why he didnt put it up

its obvious Tony "god" was scared to death

maybe money is getting a little tight over at 5nickles

[Dark Horse]

Nah. I didn't have much on that game. It was just an action bet, because I found out the night before that Brazil and Holland were playing. But it was clear at halftime that Brazil was not going to win the game, even though Holland didn't have many of their best players. A halftime bet would have been great. It was Tony's decision not to put up the line. And then he blamed the soccer department. lol

[Dark Horse]

Fair enough.

And forgive me for what may seem like the Inquisition but like I said, here it's quite the norm for a book to offer FT lines and nothing at HT, or even a game total. So I'm just trying to familiarise myself with what's the norm or what's expected of offshore books. I guess we're just more in the habit of "if the line isn't up at A go to B" but maybe that's not the case offshore. This stuff is definitely helpful to me so I thank you

If the game is on tv it is unwritten rule that there will be a halftime line. A more general rule of thumb is that games for which 1H lines are offered will also have 2H lines at the half (for the main sports).

Television, here, meaning betting market. The fact that 5D didn't put up a line at halftime, even though they were specifically asked at the break, suggests that there wasn't enough of a betting market for the game. Tony didn't want to open himself up. But a good book, by my definition, would hang the line anyway. Especially when asked. They would just take the loss and move on.

I mean how much sense does it make? You have ... WNBA basketball with halftime lines. And two of the top three or four soccer nations in the world playing each other, without a halftime line. lol A top book has to show consistency in that area.

[evo34]

The reason he didn't give me the line is that he didn't want me to hammer it. He wasn't worried about hedging. It was about hammering that line, because there was probably not much action on the game.

Humorous. You admit to not "having much on the game," but somehow that tiny amount scared 5 Dimes away from offering a halftime? Has it occurred to you that 5 Dimes could have offered skewed odds on the halftime to keep you from "hammering" it, if they were indeed frightened by you? Instead, they simply forgot. Get over it.

[Dark Horse]

Sure evo. You got the angle. They didn't forget anything, which you would have known if you had read along.

[mrpooh]

i didn't even know most books post 2nd halfs

[evo34]

Sure evo. You got the angle. They didn't forget anything, which you would have known if you had read along.

I'm pretty sure I've never tried to claim damages from a book bc they didn't offer something I wanted/expected them to offer. Nor have I even heard of anyone trying to do this.

[Dark Horse]

I'm pretty sure there's a lot of things you haven't done in life.

[evo34]

I'm pretty sure there's a lot of things you haven't done in life.

I haven't posted on a message board six times a day for the past five years, so maybe you're right: I should set out to achieve more in life.

But let's stick to the relevant facts: you just got hilariously pantsed by Tony, public enemy #1. That was an almost impossible feat, given the public sentiment rising against him. Yet you swiftly managed to out yourself as an even bigger d-bag, trying to beg for money because they refused to CANCEL a valid bet at halftime. There's no excuse for that. It's that kind of behavior that leads to animosity between books and their players, which leads to real shot-taking from books. End of story.

[RickySteve]

This thread is doing the opposite of what you intend.

[Dr.Gonzo]

This is classic.

After gagging on Tony's balls for months Dark Horse is crying because 5d didn't offer a 2nd half line?

[durito]

Since when is 2h wagering on soccer a standard offering?

[Dark Horse]

Televised game. Tony already said the bet should have been offered. Do you want to tell him he's wrong?

The way people talk in circles here is astonishing. He said it was a mistake. He was pissed off with his soccer department.

But if you want to tell Tony that is was not a mistake, and that he was wrong, why not? Have fun.

If a book misses a line, I have no problem with that. But if you specifically call a book at halftime, about a televised game, and they purposefully don't put up a line, that's a different story. Now we no longer see eye to eye.

[Dark Horse]

Goodness Gonzo, you're a rare idiot. lol

I'm not telling anybody not to play at 5D. It's a good enough book. I'm just done there. No hard feelings. I understand Tony's point and I disagree with him, and am not opening the door to future disagreements of this nature.

[dice]

Read the 5 Dimes disclaimer before playing there. You lose, 5 Dimes takes your money. You win, 5 Dimes can claim bad lines, odds, etc..

[wrongturn]

Don't think it is a huge deal. Maybe your expectation from 5D is too much since you have been defending it in all recent disputes? Tony said he does not read forum.

[exstatman]

Am I missing something here? A bettor, expecting a second half line there was absolutely no guarantee of happening, because his wager is losing, demands to have a full game wager voided because of that? Then bitches and moans about it? Just asking...

[Dr.Gonzo]

Goodness Gonzo, you're a rare idiot. lol

I'm not telling anybody not to play at 5D. It's a good enough book. I'm just done there. No hard feelings. I understand Tony's point and I disagree with him, and am not opening the door to future disagreements of this nature.

Mate take a look at yourself in the mirror before you call anyone else an idiot.

I thought you were a serious gambler but you are obviously just a loudmouth know-it-all. If it is "a good enough book" and you are going to walk because you had a minor disagreement than you are just costing yourself money.

Wash the sand out of your vagina then take a spoon full of cement and harden the fark up. Because you are acting like a little bitch.

[Monte]

Gonzo i think what you don't understand is that 5Dimes won't take professional action, as in the limits of sharp players are cut very fast.
If someone walks away from 5D, he is often forced to do so...but maybe you don't understand that cos you are a square.

[lyon804]

This thread is getting more interesting... Love when Tony takes the time to post here.

[biff]

I was ignored when I posted this fact awhile ago and it will be ignored again but it is similar to Dark's situation. Right around mid-NBA season for awhile 5dimes would post a game saying they would have live betting (game would be on ESPN OR TNT) and not offer the full live game. At times you were lucky for them to even offer live betting in the 2 qtr. 2nd half? lines never came back. Or sometimes they would but only for the 3rd qtr and not the 4th. They would mix it up all the time.

So sorry for bad grammar but what does this look like to you? I posted this months ago when a player here asked for a good book for US players that had live betting. Of course my post was ignored and all said it was 5dimes for US players.