CAUTION --- TONY 5 DIMES TRYING to TAKE A SHOT AT PLAYERS RIGHT NOW.

[nobs]

really very very good post Nobs, very interesting! Fortunately there are people like you who don't hesitate to denounce such practises ! For me there isn't any doubt, that's obvious that 5dimes intentionally gives better odds to draw the action if bet should be winning. But as you say, the problem is that, on the other side they don't reimburse customers who lost with that supposed "bad line". So that's clear that's a big scam. Sportsbooks should be forced to display list of bad lines that gave no action on their website, that would avoid such scams. Most of "bad lines" don't remain a long time displayed, coz the book notices its mistake, but with 5D the bad line remains displayed forever, 5D only notices its mistake once the result of the match is known, strange isn't it??? Does someone working for 5D regularly visit that forum? I really would ike to have their opinion about your post... What one should do before placing a bet is contact them and tell them "i hesitate to place the bet coz i'm wondering if that's a bad line or not...". I'm sure they wouldn't even change the line, they would keep it to go on attracting customers on that bet... Thanks again for that very interesting post Nobs !

Thanks magic. Couldnt agree with you more. very good post.

[nobs]

love when all this self anointed "big brains" and shills like that loser burito
cloud the issue with markets, and movement etc

when it all comes down to some unlucky soul hits one of these bombs and that five crimes homo decides;

a) not to pay at all

or

b) negotiate a dramatically reduced payout

keep typing shari, your good at that

Exactly WTF. I have been ROFLMAO at their pathetic attempts to clous the issue here as well. All this, "you dont understand what this word means" and "you dont understand this blah blah blah" garbage.

I am sure there is a lot I dont understand in life, and I never claimed to be close to the smartest poster on this board, but even Forrest Gump knew what Love was. And even a dumbass like me knows whats going on here.

[nobs]

once a ticket is printed...if the outcome of the event is what your ticket was written as...you get paid...every time...with a smile

This is how it should be. We dont get to "erase" our mistakes. And I make plenty of mistakes when it comes to gambling. I have to eat mine.

Even my local bookie who I played through over 10 years ago used to have a rule --- a bet is a bet. If he put a bad line and it got hit, he paid it. Period.

Funny thing is, he didnt post bad lines. Ever.

[nobs]

I don't know if the bet's not refunded. I've never heard of anyone coming to the forum and saying "I bet a bad line and they still took my money".

Beantown Jim a few years back. Boston Celtics. $660 bet. JJ Gold Phone call / Video posted on the very subject.

[nobs]

I just want to say, I wasnt trying to slam Johns credibility as you said. I didnt even know who exactly it was that was posting under the SBR.COM handle. I will say John has always been a good guy to me, and I give SBR credit that they let me post this without threatening to ban me. I was banned at theRX once for talking bad about one of their top advertisers. That advertiser has since went under and stole lots and lots and lots of postup funds.

But Shari you are really dishonest about your position in a lot of ways. You just keep trying to cloud the issue, like WTF said so that you dont actually have to deal with this honestly.

Damn you have pointed out that other books give you bad payout odds. You have said that like 20 times. You know what, I acknowledged that in post # 1 as well as later posts.

I dont doubt that Brian Davis +23000 is close to 0 EV while Brian Davis +8000 is stupidly high - EV. I never doubted that, I acknowledged that right off the bat. But the fact is books have high overhead and they cant be giving close to 0 EV, they have to post stupid high -EV's on +8000 plays. Just the way it is.

Also, I wouldnt have ever said jack about Tony lines, even if he had Brian Davis +50000. I wouldnt have said jack about that if he didnt have a bad habit of screaming bad line. Now I know the casino issue is the only one you remember, errr wait you suddenly remembered several right down to the last damn detail. Pretty good for someone who didnt remember any of them.

Its so funny to me how you keep reminding everyone how other books lines are "ripping them off "

How many times you gonna repeat the same thing ????

You repeat that so much, but not a word, not a word, not a word about Tony cancelling the Knicks "bad line " --- AT HALFTIME when leg #1 had already won --- by 2 points.

Is it OK for tony to wait until halftime to scream BAD LINE ?????? When 1 leg of the bet required the Knicks to be ahead at halftime. So thats like a 2 team parlay ( a correlated 2 teamer no doubt , but still ). Thats like a 2 teamer and the book waits until the first leg wins to scream BAD LINE.

Its funny how the only thing you have ever said about that was an attempt to claim the bet was something that it wasnt.

[nosniboR11]

starting to wonder how much money tony(5dimes) is paying SBR.

Anybody that plays at 5dimes deserves what happens to them, do not play there, biggest crooks in the offshore business.

[jgilmartin]

OP, I will give this one more shot.

Suppose two fictitious betting opportunities:

1. An overnight baseball moneyline:
CRIS and Bodog have Team A -110 / Team B -110
5Dimes has Team A +100 / Team B -105

2. Who will win ______ golf tournament?:
CRIS and Bodog have Player A at +8000
5Dimes has Player A at +16000

Now let's list both examples again with their implied probabilities in parentheses:

1. An overnight baseball moneyline:
CRIS and Bodog have Team A -110 (52.38%) / Team B -110 (52.38%)
5Dimes has Team A +100 (50.00%) / Team B -105 (51.22%)

2. Who will win ______ golf tournament?:
CRIS and Bodog have Player A at +8000 (1.23%)
5Dimes has Player A at +16000 (0.62%)

Notice anything?

[shari91]

Yes nobs. I'm dishonest. So dishonest that I incorrectly mentioned that Knicks bet that if I HAD posted it correctly, would have further backed my case up. One example out of how many were posted. You do realise that I wasn't simply "recalling details" off of the top of my head as you say? It's called READING threads and doing research to prove/disprove my case. Something you obviously failed to do numerous times in here - including that MW thread that you're trying to gloss over how completely incorrect you were. (Hint #1 - if you had actually READ the MW thread, you would've seen John being addressed by his name several times). But thanks for proving my point again.

And don't worry - you'll never hear me mention crappy lines to you again. As people have pointed out numerous times, it's to a decent gambler's advantage to have people like you out there, playing the "good lines" and not understanding the concept of a reduced juice book. (Hint #2 - once you understand that, you'll get the answer to your "overhead" question.) All of us shills in this thread and at another forum who have said how completely wrong you are in your premise for this thread, will just go away. Unfortunately I don't have the luxury of ignoring this thread as many others have now done because it's so ridiculous, as I have to come into this thread as a part of my job, but I will no longer respond. Continue with whatever tangent you're on.

You may want to answer jgilmartin's question though. I realise you've picked and chosen your way through what you care to respond to in here. I'm an easy target being an SBR employee. I get it. But everyone else in this thread who is letting you know how 100% mistaken you are may appreciate a response. If they even still care that is, as this thread has become beyond a joke. So how about this - leave Shari out of the equation and address all of the other people who have pointed out your basic mistakes. Talk about clouding the issues.

[nosniboR11]

shari you are not dishonest, please do not say that again

[hockey216]

has anyone else other than "bewareof5dimes" hit a longshot on 5dimes and not been paid?

[raydog]

has anyone else other than "bewareof5dimes" hit a longshot on 5dimes and not been paid?

he didnt hit a "long shot" ... he hit a bad line... and a very very obvious one, at that.

[GoIrish682]

tony is the best
tony is the best
tony is the best
tony is the best

all work and no play makes tony a fat bastard

[Fa11en]

Nobs, you would of presented a better case if you calculated the total implied probabilities for the tournament and if they added up to +100% then you can claim bad lines or, at the very least, say "look, Tony is a moron! He runs his book as well as his casino! Free money for everyone!"

You fail to look at the big picture, books use a multi-way calculator and 5 dimes typically runs 10% vig for big events as opposed to the 15%-20% that most other books run. As I have stated in my previous post, If customers bet certain players, the the multi-way calculator adjusts the lines of those who have no action. Where do you think the numbers come from? Books don't just pull them out of thin air like you may- they desire balanced action.

5Dimes is the best available option for the US and for that reason they will always thrive, because they offer reduced juice and the quickest deposit/withdraw. The cases that you bring up are frivolous and cannot really be used to support your assertion. Tony does not care about customers who want to argue clearly bad lines, take shots, and try to get over on the book and he takes them on. It is bad business, he has no regard for image and his hubris certainly gets the best of him (from what I can tell from his chats and public relations fallout). The players who keep 5Dimes operative will never leave unless their limits get axed, there is just way to much value and convenience in 5Dimes that other US serving books can not match.

Call Tony a pu$$y for booting winning customers, I agree
Call Tony an arrogant prick for taking taking his customers and referring to himself as god, I agree
Call Tony stupid for his "creative" casino ideas, I agree

But for you to make up crazy stories without taking the proper measures to present your case is stupid and to continue to defend your scandalmongering in the face of math, logic, and reason is arrogant. I don't expect you to admit you may be wrong here but your overzealous hate for Tony obscured what valid point you could possibly make with your ideas.

[face]

so is it a solution to ask 5dimes if it's a bad line before you bet a big dog?

[nobs]

Yes nobs. I'm dishonest. So dishonest that I incorrectly mentioned that Knicks bet that if I HAD posted it correctly, would have further backed my case up. One example out of how many were posted. You do realise that I wasn't simply "recalling details" off of the top of my head as you say? It's called READING threads and doing research to prove/disprove my case. Something you obviously failed to do numerous times in here - including that MW thread that you're trying to gloss over how completely incorrect you were. (Hint #1 - if you had actually READ the MW thread, you would've seen John being addressed by his name several times). But thanks for proving my point again.

And don't worry - you'll never hear me mention crappy lines to you again. As people have pointed out numerous times, it's to a decent gambler's advantage to have people like you out there, playing the "good lines" and not understanding the concept of a reduced juice book. (Hint #2 - once you understand that, you'll get the answer to your "overhead" question.) All of us shills in this thread and at another forum who have said how completely wrong you are in your premise for this thread, will just go away. Unfortunately I don't have the luxury of ignoring this thread as many others have now done because it's so ridiculous, as I have to come into this thread as a part of my job, but I will no longer respond. Continue with whatever tangent you're on.

You may want to answer jgilmartin's question though. I realise you've picked and chosen your way through what you care to respond to in here. I'm an easy target being an SBR employee. I get it. But everyone else in this thread who is letting you know how 100% mistaken you are may appreciate a response. If they even still care that is, as this thread has become beyond a joke. So how about this - leave Shari out of the equation and address all of the other people who have pointed out your basic mistakes. Talk about clouding the issues.

Actually, YOU are the one who keeps calling yourself and others "shills".

When did I call any of the other posters supporting 5 dimes a "shill" ?? When ??? Ever ???

Yes some people are in here supporting 5 dimes and a whole lot are against 5 dimes. There are even posters who hate me who are siding with me saying 5 dimes is a joke.

If 50% customer satisfaction is Ok for 5 dimes well then OK.



Too bad at my job, I am expected to have 95% customer satisfaction and 95% isnt even very good.

But again, not a word on Tony's cancelling the knicks bet ---- AT HALFTIME.
Not a word on him screaming bad line after 1 leg of the bet was already a winner. Not a word on the fact that he clearly waited to see the outcome of the first leg of the play before deciding it was a bad line. Apparently you are OK with Tony waiting to see the outcome before screaming bad line. Therefore its obvious you arent looking at this with an impartial eye.

I acknowledged long ago, that yes some of the complaints against Tony were BS. I said the 2 guys who bet -1 and the final was 2-1 and they thought they won, I admitted they were stupid. However, you cant even admit that its BS when Tony takes a bet which requires the team be ahead at halftime, then waits until that team is ahead at halftime, then screams bad line. Thats BS whether you want/are allowed to admit it or not.

[nobs]

Nobs, you would of presented a better case if you calculated the total implied probabilities for the tournament and if they added up to +100% then you can claim bad lines or, at the very least, say "look, Tony is a moron! He runs his book as well as his casino! Free money for everyone!"

You fail to look at the big picture, books use a multi-way calculator and 5 dimes typically runs 10% vig for big events as opposed to the 15%-20% that most other books run. As I have stated in my previous post, If customers bet certain players, the the multi-way calculator adjusts the lines of those who have no action. Where do you think the numbers come from? Books don't just pull them out of thin air like you may- they desire balanced action.

5Dimes is the best available option for the US and for that reason they will always thrive, because they offer reduced juice and the quickest deposit/withdraw. The cases that you bring up are frivolous and cannot really be used to support your assertion. Tony does not care about customers who want to argue clearly bad lines, take shots, and try to get over on the book and he takes them on. It is bad business, he has no regard for image and his hubris certainly gets the best of him (from what I can tell from his chats and public relations fallout). The players who keep 5Dimes operative will never leave unless their limits get axed, there is just way to much value and convenience in 5Dimes that other US serving books can not match.

Call Tony a pu$$y for booting winning customers, I agree
Call Tony an arrogant prick for taking taking his customers and referring to himself as god, I agree
Call Tony stupid for his "creative" casino ideas, I agree

But for you to make up crazy stories without taking the proper measures to present your case is stupid and to continue to defend your scandalmongering in the face of math, logic, and reason is arrogant. I don't expect you to admit you may be wrong here but your overzealous hate for Tony obscured what valid point you could possibly make with your ideas.

Fallen,

Tony has a history of posting payout odds much better than other books then when those plays hit screaming bad line. Therefore I dont trust his huge payouts.

And as far as math, logic, and reasoning, and calculating implied probabilities

i said in post #1 that tonys odds were more fair ( closer to EV) than the odds from other books ( whose odds were huge - EV )

???????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????

Again, I didnt post the thread expecting 100% of people to be on my side. But plenty of people know tony/5 dimes is a POS and the book pulls BS on a regular basis.

How about the guy who Bet

KNICKS TO LEAD AT HALFTIME and KNICKS TO WIN IN REGULATION.

Tony waited until halftime when the Knicks were up 59-57 to scream bad line. LOL.

No adjusted payout which would have still been BS, but just a Bad line. No action. I guess Tony just didnt notice it until halftime, and amazingly just realized it as soon as the Knicks went up 59-57 at halftime. If you believe that then I have some land to sell you.

[nobs]

OP, I will give this one more shot.

Suppose two fictitious betting opportunities:

1. An overnight baseball moneyline:
CRIS and Bodog have Team A -110 / Team B -110
5Dimes has Team A +100 / Team B -105

2. Who will win ______ golf tournament?:
CRIS and Bodog have Player A at +8000
5Dimes has Player A at +16000

Now let's list both examples again with their implied probabilities in parentheses:

1. An overnight baseball moneyline:
CRIS and Bodog have Team A -110 (52.38%) / Team B -110 (52.38%)
5Dimes has Team A +100 (50.00%) / Team B -105 (51.22%)

2. Who will win ______ golf tournament?:
CRIS and Bodog have Player A at +8000 (1.23%)
5Dimes has Player A at +16000 (0.62%)

Notice anything?

These lines do not accurately reflect the disparity between Tony's lines and the rest of the market. Some of Tony's lines were over 3X what the rest of the market was offering like in Brian Davis +8000 (1.23%) and Brian Davis +23000 ( ~ 0.4% )

So I would answer your question like this

" if the market was 30-1 and they had 100-1 that is beyond value shopping, thats betting a line that you know is highly suspect.(at best) "

POSTED BY SBR.COM

[sharpcat]

These lines do not accurately reflect the disparity between Tony's lines and the rest of the market. Some of Tony's lines were over 3X what the rest of the market was offering like in Brian Davis +8000 (1.23%) and Brian Davis +23000 ( ~ 0.4% )

So I would answer your question like this

" if the market was 30-1 and they had 100-1 that is beyond value shopping, thats betting a line that you know is highly suspect.(at best) "

POSTED BY SBR.COM

How the fuk can you make ridiculous claims of bad lines when you agree that you do not know how to support your claim mathematically?

Like Fallen1 stated give us an example including the odds of every player in the tournament, it is idiotic to judge whether a line is bad strictly based on the odds that a book like Bookmaker lists.

How much money did you lose at 5dimes before you started this pathetic attempt to attack them?

[durito]

Im sure tony is personally monitoring every bet that comes in.

[raydog]

Fallen,

Tony has a history of posting payout odds much better than other books then when those plays hit screaming bad line. Therefore I dont trust his huge payouts.

And as far as math, logic, and reasoning, and calculating implied probabilities

i said in post #1 that tonys odds were more fair ( closer to EV) than the odds from other books ( whose odds were huge - EV )

???????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????

Again, I didnt post the thread expecting 100% of people to be on my side. But plenty of people know tony/5 dimes is a POS and the book pulls BS on a regular basis.

How about the guy who Bet

KNICKS TO LEAD AT HALFTIME and KNICKS TO WIN IN REGULATION.

Tony waited until halftime when the Knicks were up 59-57 to scream bad line. LOL.

No adjusted payout which would have still been BS, but just a Bad line. No action. I guess Tony just didnt notice it until halftime, and amazingly just realized it as soon as the Knicks went up 59-57 at halftime. If you believe that then I have some land to sell you.

ridiculously idiotic statement where you have absolutely no personal experience with... you are seriously fukking clueless...

as for the knicks garbage...a line is made and if you think for a second that he was worried about the amount of action he would have to pay on this bet, you again, are completely mistaken... you do realize that people, who lost the first leg of the bet, their money was returned to them when the entire bet was voided..right???

you have continued to make an idiot out of yourself son. you have insulted employees who are nothing but 100% correct and you have even gone as far as to scream bad line in the sbr sportsbook, only to be corrected..again...and made to look like an idiot ...again because you still have no clue as to what makes up a bad line... do yourself a favor and learn from what people have tried to teach you in the thread...and for god sakes, shut the fukk up if you have no idea what you are talking about... damn i feel dumber

[Fa11en]

To be clear, I'm not even trying to argue that Tony has never claimed "bad-line" in an abusive situation to the customer. My issue with your post was its inaccuracy and you don't tell the whole story, just make an unsubstaniated claim. People gave you the market rebuff and I attempted to explain why such odds can be given based on the multiway calculators that most books use. They way that you went about your post was irresponsible and misinformed the viewer and despite that, you still defend YOUR mistake by pointing out issues and faults of 5Dimes in the past.

[yisman]

i bet if they did a new poll 5Crimes would not make top 5
but sbr will not do it, they know where their bread is buttered

Check again.

[shari91]

Ooh sorry nobs. Couldn't resist. Since you like educating us about "bad lines" and all.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/1117061-bad-line-sbr-book.html

[mikeanite]

It is his business, he can run it like he chooses. Don't play there if you have issues or concerns.

this thread is intend for everyone to not play there until they stop fing with players

[nobs]

Exactly Mikenaite, they just arent smart enough to realize that

[OSUCOWBOYS]

It is encouraging to see the amount of clueless people still involved in the sports market. Job security is certainly not going to be a problem for he next few years.

[nobs]

Yes it is. After all, Houston is not a threat to beat any Big 12 team. LOL. Thats quite a comment coming from an obvious "homer" who backs his home team -15 and they lose outright by double digits.

[joesomebody114]

This is why I love being a part of Heritage. Never ever would you hear someone was treated like this over there. Excellent A+ top notch operation best book around by far. Guy who owned Greek knew what he was doing sending you guys over to Heritage instead of 5Dimes LOL

[Scorpion]

Tony @ 5dimes did his best but...

CAUTION --- TONY 5 DIMES TRYING to TAKE A SHOT AT PLAYERS RIGHT NOW.

[shari91]

You have got to be kidding

[John Dough]

You have got to be kidding

These 5Dimes threads are out of control. Could the mods consider combining/deleting some of them?

They are having processor problems with certain methods right now, we get it. Some less-experienced bettors do not understand that almost every book has had processor issues at one point or another and this is not a sign of financial insolvency. I understand that it can be frustrating and stressful when stuff like this happens, but these guys who are making dozens upon dozens of posts, ranting about how 5Dimes is lying, crooked, going under, etc. are just cluttering up the board.

I'd also suggest stickying Lou's latest update(s) from 5Dimes and locking it so everyone can read it and be updated by Lou/SBR (without being able to rant) as you guys learn more about where 5Dimes is in resolving the issues.

[shari91]

These 5Dimes threads are out of control. Could the mods consider combining/deleting some of them?

They are having processor problems with certain methods right now, we get it. Some less-experienced bettors do not understand that almost every book has had processor issues at one point or another and this is not a sign of financial insolvency. I understand that it can be frustrating and stressful when stuff like this happens, but these guys who are making dozens upon dozens of posts, ranting about how 5Dimes is lying, crooked, going under, etc. are just cluttering up the board.

I'd also suggest stickying Lou's latest update(s) from 5Dimes and locking it so everyone can read it and be updated by Lou/SBR (without being able to rant) as you guys learn more about where 5Dimes is in resolving the issues.

Yeah I'll definitely talk to Admin about it. The crazy thing is I can only think of 3 or 4 people on here who have even reported a payment delay. And it's all through the same processor. Unfortunately, the guys who keep posting about how they have received their money just fine through all other methods don't feel the need to start multiple threads about the fact, so their point tends to get lost on here.

[John Dough]

Yeah I'll definitely talk to Admin about it. The crazy thing is I can only think of 3 or 4 people on here who have even reported a payment delay. And it's all through the same processor. Unfortunately, the guys who keep posting about how they have received their money just fine through all other methods don't feel the need to start multiple threads about the fact, so their point tends to get lost on here.

Thanks Shari, really appreciate your receptiveness and personal response.

Just to clarify one thing though, I'm not 100% clear that the processor issue is limited to the one method or not. There have also been reports of the method that comes to your door not being "good" and I don't know if the same processor handles both methods or not. (I'm trying to leave out specifics, but I think I'm being clear enough).

Since you're around and responding, could you see if the next update from 5Dimes (via Lou or whomever) addresses exactly what's working and what isn't? I know this is tough to do without mentioning specific methods, but you get the gist of what I'm asking.

Thanks again for the assistance. Have a good Wednesday!

[shari91]

Thanks Shari, really appreciate your receptiveness and personal response.

Just to clarify one thing though, I'm not 100% clear that the processor issue is limited to the one method or not. There have also been reports of the method that comes to your door not being "good" and I don't know if the same processor handles both methods or not. (I'm trying to leave out specifics, but I think I'm being clear enough).

Since you're around and responding, could you see if the next update from 5Dimes (via Lou or whomever) addresses exactly what's working and what isn't? I know this is tough to do without mentioning specific methods, but you get the gist of what I'm asking.

Thanks again for the assistance. Have a good Wednesday!

I understand you perfectly.

I was under the assumption that both were tied together but I'll definitely ask for clarification. I hope you have a great day too, John!

[jmillionz]

Guys fwiw I spoke them and they said they are not related and I've deposited a few with no issues yet