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  • bdemeter1
    SBR Hustler
    • 06-20-10
    • 63

    #246
    SADZIZOU... regarding Neteller, what about a call to Neteller, maybe this is the fastest way. Are you able to call Neteller ?
    Please see my previous message, phone number is included.
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    • bdemeter1
      SBR Hustler
      • 06-20-10
      • 63

      #247
      TO EVERYBODY !!!! Please if there is anyone who can call Neteller, embassies , etc. please do that because this is the fastest
      way. E-mails are obviously slow action.
      I am in Hungary and with my players friends we lost too much at Bestake, but we do our best ( and even more ) to get our money
      back, so we went to Police here and time is on Bestake's side.

      Tomorrow is the first date of that 6 matches that Bestake forced to bet and it seems we loose our money and Bestake is washing his hand because of the rules for this option !!!

      The video on Sportsbookreview is my wotk with Justin. I sent all details and scanned docs to him. He used my materials.
      This video can be seen on YouTube too.

      ALL PEOPLE WHO WERE DAMAGED, GO AND REPORT THIS SCAM TO POLICE.
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      • bdemeter1
        SBR Hustler
        • 06-20-10
        • 63

        #248
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        • SadZizou
          SBR Hustler
          • 06-20-10
          • 80

          #249
          I tryed to call Neteller but I have some problems and I can't communicate. I just received an answer saying all the links I sent (this thread, SBR video) is in the hands of the correct department. But none knows anything about their work. No news from Paysafe. If someone can call them please do, please go on keeping the pressure.
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          • bdemeter1
            SBR Hustler
            • 06-20-10
            • 63

            #250
            Originally posted by SadZizou
            I tryed to call Neteller but I have some problems and I can't communicate. I just received an answer saying all the links I sent (this thread, SBR video) is in the hands of the correct department. But none knows anything about their work. No news from Paysafe. If someone can call them please do, please go on keeping the pressure.
            My friends are at Police right now and after they return we will move with Paysafe matter.
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            • Baenk
              SBR Rookie
              • 06-21-10
              • 6

              #251
              At this time I have nor answer from my work contact in costa rica. Unfortunately I just an e-mail.Hoping to tomorrow.
              But I called embassy in Germany today and hope it will help also a little bit.
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              • twermert
                SBR Rookie
                • 06-20-10
                • 25

                #252
                Time is running out . There is a big university in San Jose, probably a couple of chatrooms and ways to get in touch with someone and ask for a visit at bestake adress there, mayby taken some photos wich could be worth for further action. But this must be done from a spanish speaking person, me and hopefully others would spent some bucks for that. I wrote to a private investigator in costa rica but didnt got any answer, probably because of writing in english, its 35 h ago since then.
                I took some action to track at least one person of bestake down, dont want to talk it here and have no idea if it will be succesful. Most of us will continiu to make money online and will always remember rohrmoser/ bestake, if we have real names/adresses he/they might find the couple of bucks not worth it.
                How much do they made from us ? The actual sum on most accounts is so high because some underdogs that we layed on bestake won. I deposited 1/5 of the 4 figure sum they owe me now. If there are 50 like me, is it worth the trouble ? What do you think ?
                Is there anyone who has a screenshot of bestake before the reniewing of their site, e.g. with picture of someone who might be the owner of the site ?
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                • FBD
                  SBR Rookie
                  • 06-21-10
                  • 11

                  #253
                  Bestake wanted

                  We are lost.... there is remaining only black humour for us....
                  Attached Files
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                  • FBD
                    SBR Rookie
                    • 06-21-10
                    • 11

                    #254
                    REWARD !

                    If will found anywhere, who catch this scammer and send his into jail and Bestake RETURN me my money, then I wish return only one half defraudeds money. Second half I offer as reward (1.500 € in my case).
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                    • suitedaces
                      SBR Rookie
                      • 05-06-10
                      • 31

                      #255
                      i am waiting for response, u can send emails too

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                      • SadZizou
                        SBR Hustler
                        • 06-20-10
                        • 80

                        #256
                        I just had an answer form Italian embassy in Costarica. He gave me name and email of a lawyer that frequently cooperates with them. He said he was available to take care of our fraud. I explained everything, and asked what is the best way to act, also considering all of you.
                        Keep you updated. All of you should try to contact their own embassies asking for a lawyer cooperator as I did.
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                        • suitedaces
                          SBR Rookie
                          • 05-06-10
                          • 31

                          #257
                          I think that if we find a good lawyer or detective, we can pay good deals to resolve this case
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                          • Arb
                            SBR Rookie
                            • 06-19-10
                            • 29

                            #258
                            Originally posted by FBD
                            REWARD !

                            If will found anywhere, who catch this scammer and send his into jail and Bestake RETURN me my money, then I wish return only one half defraudeds money. Second half I offer as reward (1.500 € in my case).
                            Other 1500 from my account.
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                            • HoldEmHook!!
                              SBR MVP
                              • 10-08-09
                              • 2962

                              #259
                              what exactly did SBR do for the people that got ripped off.....
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                              • berbbi
                                SBR Hustler
                                • 06-20-10
                                • 68

                                #260
                                I give € 4000 of my account 50%
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                                • bearhead
                                  SBR Rookie
                                  • 09-17-07
                                  • 23

                                  #261
                                  Originally posted by berbbi
                                  I give € 4000 of my account 50%
                                  Yeah I am in too if this bloke can do anything. Not too sure what, but hell its a 'no win, no fee' case....maybe he'd take it up!
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                                  • SadZizou
                                    SBR Hustler
                                    • 06-20-10
                                    • 80

                                    #262
                                    Hello guys, I just wrote an email to RACSA, which is the company from CostaRica that provided the domain BESTAKE.COM.
                                    They should know the real identity of the owner (after my research seems to be Luis Kopper), and if they can freeze their email.

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                                    May be you could try to do the same writing at RACSAenlinea@racsa.co.cr.
                                    If there's someone who can write in Spanish, it would be better. I did in English.
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                                    • berbbi
                                      SBR Hustler
                                      • 06-20-10
                                      • 68

                                      #263
                                      bestake Domain IP Addresses:
                                      200.122.160.2
                                      200.122.160.2 IP:
                                      200.122.160.2
                                      200.122.160.2 server location:
                                      San José in Costa Rica
                                      200.122.160.2 ISP:
                                      RADIGRAFICA COSTARRICENSE

                                      200.122.160.2 Whois Information
                                      % Joint Whois - whois.lacnic.net[Who Is Domain][trace][Reverse DNS Search]
                                      % This server accepts single ASN, IPv4 or IPv6 queries

                                      % LACNIC resource: whois.lacnic.net[Who Is Domain][trace][Reverse DNS Search]


                                      % Copyright LACNIC lacnic.net[Who Is Domain][trace][Reverse DNS Search]
                                      % The data below is provided for information purposes
                                      % and to assist persons in obtaining information about or
                                      % related to AS and IP numbers registrations
                                      % By submitting a whois query, you agree to use this data
                                      % only for lawful purposes.
                                      % 2010-06-22 14:24:38 (BRT -03:00)

                                      inetnum: 200.122.160.0[Who Is IP][trace][Reverse IP Search]/25
                                      status: reallocated
                                      owner: Servicio Co-Location RACSA
                                      ownerid: CR-SCRA2-LACNIC
                                      responsible: Luis Kopper
                                      address: Calle 1, Avenida 5, 3790,
                                      address: 54-1000 - San Jose -
                                      country: CR
                                      phone: +506 287-0087 []
                                      owner-c: LUK2
                                      tech-c: LUK2
                                      abuse-c: LUK2
                                      created: 20060628
                                      changed: 20060628
                                      inetnum-up: 200.122.160/19

                                      nic-hdl: LUK2
                                      person: Rodrigo Castro
                                      e-mail: [Who Is Domain][trace][Reverse DNS Search]
                                      address: Avenida 5, Calle 1, 3790,
                                      address: 54-1000 - San Jose -
                                      country: CR
                                      phone: +506 2287-0107 [107]
                                      created: 20031029
                                      changed: 20100608

                                      % whois.lacnic.net[Who Is Domain][trace][Reverse DNS Search] accepts only direct match queries.
                                      % Types of queries are: POCs, ownerid, CIDR blocks, IP
                                      % and AS numbers.
                                      WHO IS? What does that mean?

                                      Everyone who registers a domain name has his personal contact information in a WHO IS database.

                                      Our WHO IS database lets you search for the WHO IS of any Domain.
                                      The WHO IS Entry in the WHO IS database normally includes the name, address, phone number, email address and domain name expiration date of the domain owner.
                                      That means that anyone who lookups an WHO IS entry will find the contact information of the owner. Some domain registrars offer private domain registrations. In this case the WHO IS contact information of the registrar is shown and not the private Informations of the domain owner. Test our WHO IS lookup tool and see how it works.
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                                      • SadZizou
                                        SBR Hustler
                                        • 06-20-10
                                        • 80

                                        #264
                                        I googled Luis Kopper. I don't really understand what's going on, but this guy seems to have some history.

                                        anyone else heard of this site? I just hit the 1k deficit limit thinking of taking another shot with another name/address/ip. a few people on the sport


                                        In third page you'll find his name.
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                                        • Zvone
                                          SBR Rookie
                                          • 06-20-10
                                          • 12

                                          #265
                                          Originally posted by suitedaces
                                          I think that if we find a good lawyer or detective, we can pay good deals to resolve this case

                                          This is only hope we have, I will give 3000 EUR from my account
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                                          • AttiP
                                            SBR Rookie
                                            • 04-22-10
                                            • 1

                                            #266
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                                            • AimingHigh
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 06-12-09
                                              • 670

                                              #267
                                              That link seems to suggest some connection to the people behind creditwagering.com. I think you should start a new thread here, asking if anyone knows about the relationship between Luis Kopper and Credit Wagering, maybe also at the forum you linked to.

                                              The most recent SBR news on Credit Wagering relates to slow pay complaints, so also not good news on that front. It would be interesting to know the connection, and if it's any more than just the name of the guy administering the domain names, ie. does he have any kind of financial / management role at all?
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                                              • Pareto
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 04-10-07
                                                • 1054

                                                #268
                                                Originally posted by Zvone
                                                This is only hope we have, I will give 3000 EUR from my account
                                                The problem is, that the money in your account is now monopoly money. There is no way that you will ever see any of it again, whether or not the 6-team parlay hits. So you need to decide how much extra money you wish to use on this case.

                                                But I wish you all the best of luck. Its some sick amounts you people are being defrauded.
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                                                • kkkkk
                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                  • 03-30-09
                                                  • 523

                                                  #269
                                                  Originally posted by twermert
                                                  How much do they made from us ? The actual sum on most accounts is so high because some underdogs that we layed on bestake won. I deposited 1/5 of the 4 figure sum they owe me now. If there are 50 like me, is it worth the trouble ? What do you think ?
                                                  i think this is the main point. they didnt actually won that much, becose of their crazy odds.
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                                                  • SadZizou
                                                    SBR Hustler
                                                    • 06-20-10
                                                    • 80

                                                    #270
                                                    Looking at the post of AttiP, Luis Kopper actually seems to work at RACSA, so there's no involvement with this stuff. There is a little bit of confusion on WHO IS report. By the way, I don't know what about you guys, but i'm not fighting for the money I won, but just for the amount I deposited (even if for me is a loss, because it was part of some surebets). But it would be better than nothing.

                                                    The sickest thing of all is that there has not been any news from Neteller.
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                                                    • berbbi
                                                      SBR Hustler
                                                      • 06-20-10
                                                      • 68

                                                      #271
                                                      I also think bestake have no money to pay our profits, but may be restored Liability
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                                                      • SadZizou
                                                        SBR Hustler
                                                        • 06-20-10
                                                        • 80

                                                        #272
                                                        I have received another answer from Neteller, saying that the investigation department is working on our stuff. But no precise details about.
                                                        Let's hope they're just moving wisely and in the dark.
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                                                        • franky
                                                          SBR High Roller
                                                          • 04-25-10
                                                          • 152

                                                          #273
                                                          Slovenia - Enlgland 0:1

                                                          After 60 minutes we will understand if our bets are void, canceled or LOST!!!! Moneybookers told that they make everything that they can, but this doesnt make me better.
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                                                          • kkkkk
                                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                                            • 03-30-09
                                                            • 523

                                                            #274
                                                            Originally posted by franky
                                                            Slovenia - Enlgland 0:1

                                                            After 60 minutes we will understand if our bets are void, canceled or LOST!!!! Moneybookers told that they make everything that they can, but this doesnt make me better.
                                                            I think unfortunately in this case no matter what the outcome will be money is lost long time ago
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                                                            • franky
                                                              SBR High Roller
                                                              • 04-25-10
                                                              • 152

                                                              #275
                                                              Unfortunately you are right, but I still hope that there is a chance
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                                                              • berbbi
                                                                SBR Hustler
                                                                • 06-20-10
                                                                • 68

                                                                #276
                                                                Congratulations to the winners
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                                                                • marevski
                                                                  SBR Rookie
                                                                  • 06-21-10
                                                                  • 8

                                                                  #277
                                                                  i really hope moneybookers to do something....
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                                                                  • franky
                                                                    SBR High Roller
                                                                    • 04-25-10
                                                                    • 152

                                                                    #278
                                                                    to berbbi: nqmam polojitelen otgovor ot moneybookers berbbi, sega trqbva da 4akame da vidim dali bets shte budat "lost" i posle ne znam!!!
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                                                                    • franky
                                                                      SBR High Roller
                                                                      • 04-25-10
                                                                      • 152

                                                                      #279
                                                                      I have found another situation like this - betafterbet. The bookmaker is down and they give the customers the money back, parts by parts, BUT they give them money.
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                                                                      • SadZizou
                                                                        SBR Hustler
                                                                        • 06-20-10
                                                                        • 80

                                                                        #280
                                                                        Franky, this is not our situation. Sadly.
                                                                        Italian lawyer in Costrica wrote me: he will let us know about first opinion on the fraud and costs before 26.06.
                                                                        Sloooow times. Please guys keep making pressure.
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