SADZIZOU... regarding Neteller, what about a call to Neteller, maybe this is the fastest way. Are you able to call Neteller ?
Please see my previous message, phone number is included.
Please see my previous message, phone number is included.
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TO EVERYBODY !!!! Please if there is anyone who can call Neteller, embassies , etc. please do that because this is the fastest
way. E-mails are obviously slow action.
I am in Hungary and with my players friends we lost too much at Bestake, but we do our best ( and even more ) to get our money
back, so we went to Police here and time is on Bestake's side.
Tomorrow is the first date of that 6 matches that Bestake forced to bet and it seems we loose our money and Bestake is washing his hand because of the rules for this option !!!
The video on Sportsbookreview is my wotk with Justin. I sent all details and scanned docs to him. He used my materials.
This video can be seen on YouTube too.
ALL PEOPLE WHO WERE DAMAGED, GO AND REPORT THIS SCAM TO POLICE.
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I tryed to call Neteller but I have some problems and I can't communicate. I just received an answer saying all the links I sent (this thread, SBR video) is in the hands of the correct department. But none knows anything about their work. No news from Paysafe. If someone can call them please do, please go on keeping the pressure.Comment -
My friends are at Police right now and after they return we will move with Paysafe matter.Originally posted by SadZizouComment -
At this time I have nor answer from my work contact in costa rica. Unfortunately I just an e-mail.Hoping to tomorrow.
But I called embassy in Germany today and hope it will help also a little bit.Comment -
Time is running out . There is a big university in San Jose, probably a couple of chatrooms and ways to get in touch with someone and ask for a visit at bestake adress there, mayby taken some photos wich could be worth for further action. But this must be done from a spanish speaking person, me and hopefully others would spent some bucks for that. I wrote to a private investigator in costa rica but didnt got any answer, probably because of writing in english, its 35 h ago since then.
I took some action to track at least one person of bestake down, dont want to talk it here and have no idea if it will be succesful. Most of us will continiu to make money online and will always remember rohrmoser/ bestake, if we have real names/adresses he/they might find the couple of bucks not worth it.
How much do they made from us ? The actual sum on most accounts is so high because some underdogs that we layed on bestake won. I deposited 1/5 of the 4 figure sum they owe me now. If there are 50 like me, is it worth the trouble ? What do you think ?
Is there anyone who has a screenshot of bestake before the reniewing of their site, e.g. with picture of someone who might be the owner of the site ?Comment -
Bestake wanted
We are lost.... there is remaining only black humour for us....
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REWARD !
If will found anywhere, who catch this scammer and send his into jail and Bestake RETURN me my money, then I wish return only one half defraudeds money. Second half I offer as reward (1.500 € in my case).
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i am waiting for response, u can send emails too
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I just had an answer form Italian embassy in Costarica. He gave me name and email of a lawyer that frequently cooperates with them. He said he was available to take care of our fraud. I explained everything, and asked what is the best way to act, also considering all of you.
Keep you updated. All of you should try to contact their own embassies asking for a lawyer cooperator as I did.Comment -
I think that if we find a good lawyer or detective, we can pay good deals to resolve this caseComment -
Other 1500 from my account.Originally posted by FBDREWARD !
If will found anywhere, who catch this scammer and send his into jail and Bestake RETURN me my money, then I wish return only one half defraudeds money. Second half I offer as reward (1.500 € in my case).
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what exactly did SBR do for the people that got ripped off.....Comment -
I give € 4000 of my account 50%Comment -
Yeah I am in too if this bloke can do anything. Not too sure what, but hell its a 'no win, no fee' case....maybe he'd take it up!Originally posted by berbbiComment -
Hello guys, I just wrote an email to RACSA, which is the company from CostaRica that provided the domain BESTAKE.COM.
They should know the real identity of the owner (after my research seems to be Luis Kopper), and if they can freeze their email.
May be you could try to do the same writing at RACSAenlinea@racsa.co.cr.
If there's someone who can write in Spanish, it would be better. I did in English.Comment -
bestake Domain IP Addresses:
200.122.160.2
200.122.160.2 IP:
200.122.160.2
200.122.160.2 server location:
San José in Costa Rica
200.122.160.2 ISP:
RADIGRAFICA COSTARRICENSE
200.122.160.2 Whois Information
% Joint Whois - whois.lacnic.net[Who Is Domain][trace][Reverse DNS Search]
% This server accepts single ASN, IPv4 or IPv6 queries
% LACNIC resource: whois.lacnic.net[Who Is Domain][trace][Reverse DNS Search]
% Copyright LACNIC lacnic.net[Who Is Domain][trace][Reverse DNS Search]
% The data below is provided for information purposes
% and to assist persons in obtaining information about or
% related to AS and IP numbers registrations
% By submitting a whois query, you agree to use this data
% only for lawful purposes.
% 2010-06-22 14:24:38 (BRT -03:00)
inetnum: 200.122.160.0[Who Is IP][trace][Reverse IP Search]/25
status: reallocated
owner: Servicio Co-Location RACSA
ownerid: CR-SCRA2-LACNIC
responsible: Luis Kopper
address: Calle 1, Avenida 5, 3790,
address: 54-1000 - San Jose -
country: CR
phone: +506 287-0087 []
owner-c: LUK2
tech-c: LUK2
abuse-c: LUK2
created: 20060628
changed: 20060628
inetnum-up: 200.122.160/19
nic-hdl: LUK2
person: Rodrigo Castro
e-mail: [Who Is Domain][trace][Reverse DNS Search]
address: Avenida 5, Calle 1, 3790,
address: 54-1000 - San Jose -
country: CR
phone: +506 2287-0107 [107]
created: 20031029
changed: 20100608
% whois.lacnic.net[Who Is Domain][trace][Reverse DNS Search] accepts only direct match queries.
% Types of queries are: POCs, ownerid, CIDR blocks, IP
% and AS numbers.
WHO IS? What does that mean?
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Our WHO IS database lets you search for the WHO IS of any Domain.
The WHO IS Entry in the WHO IS database normally includes the name, address, phone number, email address and domain name expiration date of the domain owner.
That means that anyone who lookups an WHO IS entry will find the contact information of the owner. Some domain registrars offer private domain registrations. In this case the WHO IS contact information of the registrar is shown and not the private Informations of the domain owner. Test our WHO IS lookup tool and see how it works.Comment -
I googled Luis Kopper. I don't really understand what's going on, but this guy seems to have some history.
In third page you'll find his name.Comment -
Originally posted by suitedaces
This is only hope we have, I will give 3000 EUR from my accountComment -
That link seems to suggest some connection to the people behind creditwagering.com. I think you should start a new thread here, asking if anyone knows about the relationship between Luis Kopper and Credit Wagering, maybe also at the forum you linked to.
The most recent SBR news on Credit Wagering relates to slow pay complaints, so also not good news on that front. It would be interesting to know the connection, and if it's any more than just the name of the guy administering the domain names, ie. does he have any kind of financial / management role at all?Comment -
The problem is, that the money in your account is now monopoly money. There is no way that you will ever see any of it again, whether or not the 6-team parlay hits. So you need to decide how much extra money you wish to use on this case.Originally posted by Zvone
But I wish you all the best of luck. Its some sick amounts you people are being defrauded.Comment -
i think this is the main point. they didnt actually won that much, becose of their crazy odds.Originally posted by twermertComment -
Looking at the post of AttiP, Luis Kopper actually seems to work at RACSA, so there's no involvement with this stuff. There is a little bit of confusion on WHO IS report. By the way, I don't know what about you guys, but i'm not fighting for the money I won, but just for the amount I deposited (even if for me is a loss, because it was part of some surebets). But it would be better than nothing.
The sickest thing of all is that there has not been any news from Neteller.Comment -
I also think bestake have no money to pay our profits, but may be restored LiabilityComment -
I have received another answer from Neteller, saying that the investigation department is working on our stuff. But no precise details about.
Let's hope they're just moving wisely and in the dark.Comment -
Slovenia - Enlgland 0:1
After 60 minutes we will understand if our bets are void, canceled or LOST!!!! Moneybookers told that they make everything that they can, but this doesnt make me better.Comment -
I think unfortunately in this case no matter what the outcome will be money is lost long time agoOriginally posted by franky
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Unfortunately you are right, but I still hope that there is a chanceComment -
Congratulations to the winnersComment -
i really hope moneybookers to do something....Comment -
to berbbi: nqmam polojitelen otgovor ot moneybookers berbbi, sega trqbva da 4akame da vidim dali bets shte budat "lost" i posle ne znam!!!Comment -
I have found another situation like this - betafterbet. The bookmaker is down and they give the customers the money back, parts by parts, BUT they give them money.Comment -
Franky, this is not our situation. Sadly.
Italian lawyer in Costrica wrote me: he will let us know about first opinion on the fraud and costs before 26.06.
Sloooow times. Please guys keep making pressure.Comment
