Which books haven't paid out on the US election?

**DontTailMe** · 11-26-20, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by ParlayTeaser

I saw both get bet up to -1600 and closer to -2000 and more near the election so I'm not too sure about that. Bettors finally decided to hit those no-brainer odds on Biden eventually. Just reading the line movements from the past several months, I don't see how they were heavy on Trump bets.

At a certain point, the election bet never dropped below -155 where it would fluctuate between there and -180 to -200. I'm not an oddsmaker but I'm not stupid either. Heavy Trump action would have broke that -155 line eventually. Some people we're loading back up on Biden everytime it dipped. BOL is full of shit that they were heavy on Trump bets. They are using the held Bitcoins to offset this loss though and riding it out.

Sure, but even -1600 and -2000 odds are wrong. IN a sane world, they should be -100000 or off the board.

**StackinGreen** · 11-26-20, 03:21 PM

Lol, I'll take those odds. Biden is a fraud and Trump will be president again.

**ParlayTeaser** · 11-26-20, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by DontTailMe

Sure, but even -1600 and -2000 odds are wrong. IN a sane world, they should be -100000 or off the board.

True but they weren't going to hang those lines. I thought about playing Cali when I saw it at -1600 for 8k to win $500 but with the shenanigans Bet Online is pulling, I'm glad I didn't put another cent in this book. Bitcoin took a big hit the last 24 hours and may continue to slide. Let's see if BetOnline decides to cash in on the no interest loan we gave them and finally grade the election wagers.

**ParlayTeaser** · 11-26-20, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by StackinGreen

Lol, I'll take those odds. Biden is a fraud and Trump will be president again.

Are you on meds or had too much turkey earlier? Get your head out of your a$$. It's over, you lost! Keep donating your money to that grifter's "defense fund". I'm sure you'll still be poor while they laugh at the uneducated giving them money on the way out.

**Ian** · 11-26-20, 10:56 PM

sportsbetting/betonline have finally started paying out on some state bets. General election bets are still pending.

**vanzack** · 11-27-20, 09:58 AM

Its like not paying off an NFL game because a coach thinks there were some bad calls or there was bad luck.

This is crazy. And not coincidentally, bitcoin keeps going up.

**ParlayTeaser** · 11-27-20, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by Ian

sportsbetting/betonline have finally started paying out on some state bets. General election bets are still pending.

If they can pay the states, they can pay the election. It's goofy of them to grade Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona or Nevada and use the logic that they may have to reverse the grading of the election bet. At this point, they are rubbing our nose in shit and telling us it smells like chocolate.

**ParlayTeaser** · 11-27-20, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by vanzack

Its like not paying off an NFL game because a coach thinks there were some bad calls or there was bad luck.

This is crazy. And not coincidentally, bitcoin keeps going up.

It very apparent to me now that this is what they're doing, profiting off of Bitcoin deposit and using dumbass excuses to hold off payout request. How can they grade states that were in dispute but not the election? I hope they aren't in any kind of financial trouble with the rush of withdrawals coming as soon as they grade this.

**ParlayTeaser** · 11-27-20, 04:23 PM

Does BetOnline's refusal to grade create a precedent for the future?

Will books be more specific in the future when posting political or entertainment bets? I hope offshore books take this strongly in consideration to avoid going through what bettors are going through now. The books are making up rules as they go along while bettors lose money in the process.

I see BetOnline and Bookmaker are the only "major books" who haven't paid out yet over 3 weeks after Biden was the declared the projected winner of the electoral college. As Bitcoin value increases, they bank on the highest volume event in recent events.

**vampire assassin** · 11-27-20, 04:24 PM

Pinnacle hasn't graded it. The live market is still open at Betfair.

**littlekona** · 11-27-20, 04:29 PM

projected is key. sure book want to pay out so you lose it on other stuff BUT its still not unreasonable that they have not paid though I personally think the Biden Win holds up. One question the books you listed you mentioned BTC Value. WTF does that have to do with anyting based on the books you listed

**DISTROYA** · 11-27-20, 04:30 PM

cant believe it...got over 5k tied up they JUST WONT FCUKING GRADE GEORGIA, electoral votes, and pinny wont even finalize head to head, just plain ridiculous at this point.

**ParlayTeaser** · 11-27-20, 05:13 PM

Does BetOnline's refusal to grade create a precedent for the future?

Will books be more specific in the future when posting political or entertainment bets? I hope offshore books take this strongly in consideration to avoid going through what bettors are going through now. The books are making up rules as they go along while bettors lose money in the process.

I see BetOnline and Bookmaker are the only "major books" who haven't paid out yet over 3 weeks after Biden was the declared the projected winner of the electoral college. As Bitcoin value increases, they bank on the highest volume event in recent events.

**ParlayTeaser** · 11-27-20, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by littlekona

projected is key. sure book want to pay out so you lose it on other stuff BUT its still not unreasonable that they have not paid though I personally think the Biden Win holds up. One question the books you listed you mentioned BTC Value. WTF does that have to do with anyting based on the books you listed

The value of Bitcoin has increased since most books started graded this wager and now. Those who are still waiting have lost value since then.

**hustledouble** · 11-27-20, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by ParlayTeaser

The value of Bitcoin has increased since most books started graded this wager and now. Those who are still waiting have lost value since then.

This would be a matter of how much they're actually holding in BTC at any given time to expedite payouts since these are fiat books.

Unless the books experience a big loss in revenue from lost customers over this (they won't), I don't know why there is any incentive for them to be more explicit in their terms in the future. Maybe even the opposite.

It's good that BOL, for example, has explicitly stated that the line in the sand is the Electoral College vote on-or-around Dec. 14th. Because at least now there is a line.

I don't agree with how they're handling this. Biden is clearly the winner. But I don't think it is nearly as bad as some are suggesting to have to wait a few extra weeks for payout. People should not be overextending themselves or over-committing their bankroll on any single prop or wager anyway. Especially one that we all knew in advance could get messy.

If after the electoral college vote these books are still giving people the runaround I think that's an entirely different story.

**littlekona** · 11-27-20, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by ParlayTeaser

The value of Bitcoin has increased since most books started graded this wager and now. Those who are still waiting have lost value since then.

The Value of BTC doesnt matter to BOL - Bookmaker and their Customers since it converts to USD. They use 3rd Party Processors. If it was Fairlay or Nitrogen your conspiracy theory could be argued since funds are held in BTC but even there you dont have much an argumenet if hey did not grade which they both did most markets

**caramba** · 11-27-20, 06:51 PM

Bookmaker said inauguration day in their rules.
Betfair posted today they will wait until December 14th.

Just a moment...

https://betting.betfair.com/politics/us-politics/us-election-betfair-market-settlement-latest-051120-204.html

**StackinGreen** · 11-27-20, 11:01 PM

Oh fancy that. What I told you guys 5x before.

**ehp6737** · 11-28-20, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by StackinGreen

Lol, I'll take those odds. Biden is a fraud and Trump will be president again.

Smoke some more crack son

**StackinGreen** · 11-28-20, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by ehp6737

Smoke some more crack son

Marking this post. I'm already correct on both accounts.

**robbypark** · 11-28-20, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by StackinGreen

Marking this post. I'm already correct on both accounts.

LOL you Trumpers are the most delusional people on earth.

**Club** · 11-28-20, 03:43 PM

Bookmaker hasn't graded Biden to win Wisconsin yet. Apparently, Trump suckered his moronic cult members to help pay for a recount in some counties but it hasn't helped him any. Betonline paid my other Biden bets a while ago.

**HeeeHAWWWW** · 11-28-20, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by Club

Bookmaker hasn't graded Biden to win Wisconsin yet. Apparently, Trump suckered his moronic cult members to help pay for a recount in some counties but it hasn't helped him any. Betonline paid my other Biden bets a while ago.

That recount has been completed. Trump had to pay $3 million for it ....... and the net result was Biden gained 132 votes.

**Club** · 11-30-20, 05:26 PM

Now that Wisconsin certified the results, I asked again when they are going to pay my Biden to win Wisconsin bet. They said they need official results. I sent them the article that Wisconsin certified their results and asked what could be more official than that. They said they are waiting for inauguration day to grade some of these bets. What the penetrate does inauguration day have to do with my Wisconsin bet?

**ParlayTeaser** · 11-30-20, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by Club

Now that Wisconsin certified the results, I asked again when they are going to pay my Biden to win Wisconsin bet. They said they need official results. I sent them the article that Wisconsin certified their results and asked what could be more official than that. They said they are waiting for inauguration day to grade some of these bets. What the penetrate does inauguration day have to do with my Wisconsin bet?

It's BS. Hope you get paid soon. They are sitting on all the Bitcoin deposits and raking in the dough while they give us BS excuses not to grade the bets.

**themike78** · 12-01-20, 02:22 AM

Originally posted by ParlayTeaser

It's BS. Hope you get paid soon. They are sitting on all the Bitcoin deposits and raking in the dough while they give us BS excuses not to grade the bets.

Why should they payout bets if Biden has not won anything yet? The news media does not decide who the President is. The electorates have not even voted yet. Nothing is official until they vote. They still have the right to change their mind and vote for Trump. Not likely but possible.

**TheGuesser** · 12-01-20, 03:12 AM

Originally posted by themike78

Why should they payout bets if Biden has not won anything yet? The news media does not decide who the President is. The electorates have not even voted yet. Nothing is official until they vote. They still have the right to change their mind and vote for Trump. Not likely but possible.

Actually the Media does decide it. By states counting the votes and the media declaring the winner. The Loser concedes, the winner accepts, and the books pay the winning betters. That's normalcy, this is lunacy, but some books knew who they were dealing with and put special 2020 rules in.

**HeeeHAWWWW** · 12-01-20, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by themike78

Why should they payout bets if Biden has not won anything yet? The news media does not decide who the President is. The electorates have not even voted yet. Nothing is official until they vote. They still have the right to change their mind and vote for Trump. Not likely but possible.

It's basically impossible. These are Democrat party officials. One or two might go nuts, or be bribed in a close election, but this isn't close. Biden would also still "win" the state even if 1 or 2 flipped.

In some states it's literally impossible - by law the electors are automatically replaced if they vote against the state winner. This is the case in Arizona, Michigan, Minnesota, and Nevada, among others. In some others it's illegal and will expose the elector to criminal penalties, but the vote still counts.

The interesting thing now is if Trump tries to pardon himself - of course, this is an admission of guilt, but I'm sure he'd spin his way out of that. There's a big legal question mark as to whether it would hold up though, so he may try to Nixon his way out (resign and get Pence to pardon him).

**ParlayTeaser** · 12-01-20, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by themike78

Why should they payout bets if Biden has not won anything yet? The news media does not decide who the President is. The electorates have not even voted yet. Nothing is official until they vote. They still have the right to change their mind and vote for Trump. Not likely but possible.

Trump lost. Voters of bound in most states including ones that were being contested to vote for the winner of the popular vote. It's over and we shouldn't have to wait until mid-December to appease delusional Trump bettors and supports while profiting off of Bitcoin rise up almost a month now.

**solring** · 12-01-20, 02:36 PM

BetOnline graded Wisconsin today.

Sportsbook.ag graded Arizona today.

**Club** · 12-01-20, 03:47 PM

Wisconsin certified its results. That makes it official regardless of Trump's continuous efforts to gaslight the morons so they keep sending him money. Bookmaker has not given a plausible reason why they haven't paid this bet.

I should give credit here to Betonline who paid my Biden win bets within a day or two of the election.

**hustledouble** · 12-01-20, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by HeeeHAWWWW

It's basically impossible. These are Democrat party officials. One or two might go nuts, or be bribed in a close election, but this isn't close. Biden would also still "win" the state even if 1 or 2 flipped.

In some states it's literally impossible - by law the electors are automatically replaced if they vote against the state winner. This is the case in Arizona, Michigan, Minnesota, and Nevada, among others. In some others it's illegal and will expose the elector to criminal penalties, but the vote still counts.

The interesting thing now is if Trump tries to pardon himself - of course, this is an admission of guilt, but I'm sure he'd spin his way out of that. There's a big legal question mark as to whether it would hold up though, so he may try to Nixon his way out (resign and get Pence to pardon him).

Trump pardoning himself also would not shield himself from state investigations centered on state crimes (in other words, crimes he's being investigated for in New York state), which are actually the more major threat to him presently so I'm not sure there's a ton of utility in doing so even if it was legal.

If it's true he also wants to run again, I'm not sure he'd want to do it for that reason either.

In any event, the EC vote is two weeks from today and hopefully then this will be all be over with payouts. Books saying they're not paying out until Inauguration are absolutely free rolling at this point IMO.

**ParlayTeaser** · 12-02-20, 02:08 AM

Originally posted by Club

Wisconsin certified its results. That makes it official regardless of Trump's continuous efforts to gaslight the morons so they keep sending him money. Bookmaker has not given a plausible reason why they haven't paid this bet.

I should give credit here to Betonline who paid my Biden win bets within a day or two of the election.

BetOnline still has not paid off the election bets but have paid the contested states. It doesn't make sense.

**Club** · 12-03-20, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by ParlayTeaser

BetOnline still has not paid off the election bets but have paid the contested states. It doesn't make sense.

I had Biden to win NH and Biden to win the popular vote at Betonline and they paid within a day or two. I guess some of these books are holding out on some of the bets, but there's no reason to anymore.

**ParlayTeaser** · 12-03-20, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by Club

I had Biden to win NH and Biden to win the popular vote at Betonline and they paid within a day or two. I guess some of these books are holding out on some of the bets, but there's no reason to anymore.

I've given up getting paid from BetOnline at this point and will make sure to get out of there ASAP. Grifting bastards like Trump. Bettors won't forget this.