Which books haven't paid out on the US election?

[tlk23]

I look forward to BOL paying out the Biden wins today.

[ParlayTeaser]

I look forward to BOL paying out the Biden wins today.

They better! No more excuses!

[hank_kingsley]

They better! No more excuses!

Dave Mason on twitter: "I have replied the same way countless times. Once it is official. Hopefully tomorrow then it will hopefully get graded in wee hours Tuesday am."

So hopefully money in accts Tues morning.

[Seattle Slew]

Early last year, it was a low as -330 before the primaries. I just didn't want money tied up that long, but was surprised it was that low. It was even -450 or so over the summer, I think.

Not to pile on (any more than I just did in my last post) but, to your point, when I bet it, Biden to win the popular vote was only -600. That's like the Kansas City Chiefs being -600 to beat the Kansas Jayhawks. Who the penetrate had money left over from their welfare check and a trip to their Meth dealer to bet Trump to win the popular vote at those numbers?

[Seattle Slew]

They still could hold out until Congress certifies on Jan. 6. I guarantee Trump will be tweeting tonight something like "this vote today means nothing."

But there is no path to affect the vote on Jan. 6, GOP would have to hold House and Senate to even have a chance to try and disrupt. But it'll still be a show when a House member and GOP senator formally object.

The House guy is Mo Brooks, just waiting on what GOP senator will join him. I'd bet Ron Johnson or Rand Paul.

They better! No more excuses!

[ByeShea]

They better! No more excuses!

If a book is holding big money, say a 7 or 8 figure number in cash - they can put said cash into money markets and crank free money for themselves as long as this thing isn't "official". They have all the incentive in the world to not pay out.

[Ian]

Electoral votes are trickling in. No faithless electors so far. Hopefully all books will pay out once the formality is complete.

[hank_kingsley]

Early last year, it was a low as -330 before the primaries. I just didn't want money tied up that long, but was surprised it was that low. It was even -450 or so over the summer, I think.

I got a bunch of action at BOL on Biden to win popular vote at between -130 to -160 in the fall of 2019. I would max out until they stopped allowing me to bet it, then it would go up to -200 or so, and inevitably a bunch of delusional Trumplets would bet it back down again. It was such easy, no-risk money I could hardly believe it was real.

[themike78]

Trump won the election and will remain in office. Even CNN is reporting it now.

[robbypark]

Trump won the election and will remain in office. Even CNN is reporting it now.

LOL you Trumpers and your delusions...

Trumpers have got to be the worst cult on the planet.

[ParlayTeaser]

Dave Mason on twitter: "I have replied the same way countless times. Once it is official. Hopefully tomorrow then it will hopefully get graded in wee hours Tuesday am."

So hopefully money in accts Tues morning.

It's been strung out long enough IMO. Every time Dave Mason gives us hope, he pulls an excuse out his ass as to why they haven't paid yet or acts like people are bothering him when they see he's full of BS. I want action at this point and no more BS excuses. BTW, why the freak do we have to wait until "hopefully" Tuesday morning? California is about to certify any minute now and it's over and dead as a doorknob at that point. Sounds like a set up for another let down but I hope to prove me wrong.

[ParlayTeaser]

They still could hold out until Congress certifies on Jan. 6. I guarantee Trump will be tweeting tonight something like "this vote today means nothing."

But there is no path to affect the vote on Jan. 6, GOP would have to hold House and Senate to even have a chance to try and disrupt. But it'll still be a show when a House member and GOP senator formally object.

The House guy is Mo Brooks, just waiting on what GOP senator will join him. I'd bet Ron Johnson or Rand Paul.

I fear that is what we are being set up for. That's why he said hopefully. Not that it will be successful but it'll be another weak excuse not to pay out players who have been waiting forever on a bet that has been long over. I'll never forget what BetOnline did here by screwing bettors.

[ParlayTeaser]

If a book is holding big money, say a 7 or 8 figure number in cash - they can put said cash into money markets and crank free money for themselves as long as this thing isn't "official". They have all the incentive in the world to not pay out.

Yep and that's the true story here. They got a large injection of Bitcoin and are making bank off of it. Doesn't matter if they cash it out or whatever, they got a large interest free loan and are getting paid on the interest from it.

[ParlayTeaser]

Trump won the election and will remain in office. Even CNN is reporting it now.

I told you I want some of that crack you're smoking!

[CashMeOut2020]

I fear that is what we are being set up for. That's why he said hopefully. Not that it will be successful but it'll be another weak excuse not to pay out players who have been waiting forever on a bet that has been long over. I'll never forget what BetOnline did here by screwing bettors.

I'm waiting on a winning wager also at BOL on Biden, but not sure how at all BOL screwed bettors? They had to make sure in no way any of these legal matters wouldn't change the election results. Say the Supreme Court case somehow the other day took the case and changed the result of the election. Meanwhile, BOL paid out millions of dollars prematurely ? They had to wait for the states to be certified and the electoral college to cast them. I agree its been a long ass 40 plus days but if I was in there shoes I wouldn't pay out millions of dollars unless I was certain the outcome would not be reversed. just saying.

[Australopithecus]

I'm waiting on a winning wager also at BOL on Biden, but not sure how at all BOL screwed bettors? They had to make sure in no way any of these legal matters wouldn't change the election results. Say the Supreme Court case somehow the other day took the case and changed the result of the election. Meanwhile, BOL paid out millions of dollars prematurely ? They had to wait for the states to be certified and the electoral college to cast them. I agree its been a long ass 40 plus days but if I was in there shoes I wouldn't pay out millions of dollars unless I was certain the outcome would not be reversed. just saying.

I'm curious if we'll see lawsuits (even if they have no chance of winning) filed against the bookies for holding money. There's gotta be a few out there with insane amounts held up with the bookies right now.

[BearLukin]

After the electoral college vote today they have no reason to not grade the wagers. The miniscule interest rate they make of the money market funds will in no way match the amount of business that will be lost to books who graded the election timely.

[Judge Crater]

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/electoral-college-vote-2020-biden-trump/h_283c5d22bc517e32e6399ce61f027717

Trump won the election and will remain in office. Even CNN is reporting it now.

[themike78]

I told you I want some of that crack you're smoking!

Lol. I can hope at least. But to be honest there is a fairly decent chance Biden wins. But it was rigged. I will never admit he won legitimately.

[tlk23]

BOL can pay out any time now. It's not like they didn't know that today was their line in the sand.

waiting
waiting
waiting

[tradeout]

betfair paid out

pinnacle still waiting
bookmaker still waiting
bol waiting

[hank_kingsley]

BOL just paid out Georgia. No movement on Biden yet.

[vanzack]

Bookmaker still is saying that they will only pay on Jan 20. Of course, this is all by chat because there is nobody there to get in touch with.

SBR - ONCE AGAIN - CAN YOU PLEASE HAVE BOOKMAKER MAKE AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT ON WHEN THEY WILL PAY?

This would be a real service to this community, because if they intend on being the last book on earth to grade on Jan 20, we should know.

[Pareto]

Bookmaker have allready settled which candidate won Texas, Florida etc.

So I see no reason why they now shouldnt settle Georgia, Pensylvania, Wisconsin and all the rest.

[newfiepicks]

Another data point:

Intertops just paid my Biden win bet.

[SeahawkSanders]

So frustrating Bookmaker still won't pay out, but I'm happy to get my BOL money tomorrow at least.

[ParlayTeaser]

So frustrating Bookmaker still won't pay out, but I'm happy to get my BOL money tomorrow at least.

Has BetOnline confirmed they will pay out tomorrow morning or is this based off Dave Mason's "hopefully" because he's not a decision maker?

[hank_kingsley]

Bookmaker still is saying that they will only pay on Jan 20. Of course, this is all by chat because there is nobody there to get in touch with.
SBR - ONCE AGAIN - CAN YOU PLEASE HAVE BOOKMAKER MAKE AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT ON WHEN THEY WILL PAY?
This would be a real service to this community, because if they intend on being the last book on earth to grade on Jan 20, we should know.

I've posted this numerous times in this thread and others, but Bookmaker's house rules BEFORE THE ELECTION TOOK PLACE made it clear that they weren't going to pay until inauguration.

"For bets on a candidate to win an office, all bets will be graded at the time of the winner’s swearing-in ceremony."

https://get.bookmaker.help/hc/en-us/articles/360002278278-Politics-Elections-

I posted that warning in several threads as a heads up to people that their money was going to be stuck until Jan 21.

Does it suck that they're waiting until Jan 21st? Of course it does. Are you justified in bitching about it? No, quite honestly you're not. If you didn't read the house rules before you bet, it's your own fault.

[tlk23]

"We do apologize for the delay, please allow some time for this to be graded as we are in the process of this being graded. A time frame can not be confirm at this time, however I can assure you we are grading the wagers as we speak."
BOL

[Australopithecus]

Pinnacle still has not paid out yet for:
- "Electoral College vote winner in Georgia?"
- "2020 Presidential Election Winner"

Their rules pertinent to this bet are as follows (from their website):
1. All bets will be determined using the official result as declared by the local Electoral Commission or a similar official body.
5. For all elections, bets will be graded upon an official result as described above. Once the result is official and bets are graded, any circumstance (death, illness, etc.) will have no bearing on the already graded bets.
6. For all 2020 USA Presidential election bets made on or after 3/17/20, both Donald Trump and Joe Biden must be viable nominees for their respective parties on election day, in order to have action.

Every single state has now officially certified their votes, and every elector has officially cast his vote. Am I missing something, or has every single one of Pinnacle's criteria been met? Or would congress' counting of the electoral votes, which takes place Jan. 6th, be the event which fulfills criterion #1? Because they specifically use the word 'certification' which has officially happened as of today. Thoughts?

[HeeeHAWWWW]

For state bets, certification, ascertainment then the formal step of an electoral vote today is the absolute end of the line. There were some lawsuits, but a cursory glance showed that these were never serious, just timewasting to raise funds off the gullible - they were all thrown out pretty quickly. Thus, at state level it's all fully decided, and there's no reason at all not to grade those.

For the presidential race, in theory congress-critters could reject electoral votes and decide it themselves. It could even be delayed, in which case Pelosi automatically becomes President if it's not settled by the 20th. There's no chance of these happening this time, but such constitutional steps do exist.

[Australopithecus]

For state bets, certification, ascertainment then the formal step of an electoral vote today is the absolute end of the line. There were some lawsuits, but a cursory glance showed that these were never serious, just timewasting to raise funds off the gullible - they were all thrown out pretty quickly. Thus, at state level it's all fully decided, and there's no reason at all not to grade those.

For the presidential race, in theory congress-critters could reject electoral votes and decide it themselves. It could even be delayed, in which case Pelosi automatically becomes President if it's not settled by the 20th. There's no chance of these happening this time, but such constitutional steps do exist.

Not sure if you were replying to me specifically, but thanks for this, I didn't know. Any comments on the way the bet was written. For Pinnacle, the two that concern me are:

- "Electoral College vote winner in Georgia?"
- "2020 Presidential Election Winner"

Wouldn't your scenario fall out of the scope of 'Presidential Election Winner' at this point?

[Brian Hast]

Had Biden at +1400 in Dec. 2018 and +1200 in Feb 2019. He was +1700 at one point. Clear Trump was going to lose after he bailed on his campaign promises. Too bad they capped the amount. Could be why books don't want to pay out.

Still waiting for payment...

[xKMACKx]

Just emailed Pinnacle regarding my Biden bet. Still waiting. Like noted above, as per their rules, they go by the electoral voting:

All bets will be determined using the official result as declared by the local Electoral Commission or a similar official body.

[xKMACKx]

I emailed them hours ago and haven't heard back. I am sure their inbox is full with the same question. Seems to be people pressuring them on twitter:

https://twitter.com/Pinnacle/status/1338604934472712194