An apology to all Betislands players

[5mike5]

http://news.rouletters.com/sports-be...ew-000903.html
http://news.rouletters.com/sportsboo...er-000883.html

GREAT ARTICLE

should be a link posted in EVERY BI thread!!!!

[Dark Horse]

I have to imagine there were some sharper players with very high balances that are now out of their funds who are not going to be looking for.... "legal recourse", let's say. These tend to be the types of guys who will be willing to invest five figures to chase down six figures. If I were "Jon", I'd be very paranoid right about now.

This idiot comes here apologizing, and I'm reminded of drug cartel law, where the choice is not life or death, but painless or painful death. He better run. He's already taken the money. Financial backer, my ass. For what? His book had low limits. He stole that money.

[PAULYPOKER]

I have to imagine there were some sharper players with very high balances that are now out of their funds who are not going to be looking for.... "legal recourse", let's say. These tend to be the types of guys who will be willing to invest five figures to chase down six figures. If I were "Jon", I'd be very paranoid right about now.

A "Sharp player" would never have funds @ bet Islands to begin with............

[Dark Horse]

A "Sharp player" would never have funds @ bet Islands to begin with............

Not true. I talked to a book owner who had seen the list.

[SamDiamond]

Hey Jon.

I was checking out BetIslands website registration, and why are you listed as the registrant if you're not the owner?

Registrant Street1:Oficentro
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:san jose
Registrant State/Province:san jose
Registrant Postal Code:1000
Registrant Country:CR
Registrant Phone:+506.70609318
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:sslpbets@gmail.com

[Darkside Magick]

A "Sharp player" would never have funds @ bet Islands to begin with............

Not true.....it was the sharps who put them out of business.....best believe they got their money

[Frogger]

I will not be posting under this handle anymore.
JON

OMG... you're seriously thinking about posting under another handle? This is the END of the game ... for life. If you are 40yrs old, this will still haunt you when you are 60 or 80 and forever.

You are in permanent Lenny territory until everyone gets paid every buck.

[William Walters]

Hey Jon.

I was checking out BetIslands website registration, and why are you listed as the registrant if you're not the owner?

Registrant Street1:Oficentro
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:san jose
Registrant State/Province:san jose
Registrant Postal Code:1000
Registrant Country:CR
Registrant Phone:+506.70609318
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:sslpbets@gmail.com

Guess this answers all the questions as to "is Jon former SBR poster SSLP?". What an absolute douche.

[PAULYPOKER]

Not true. I talked to a book owner who had seen the list.

A book that comes out of nowhere with no reputation goes from an F to a b+ in a blink of an eye,

There is no way anyone with half a brain could trust a book like this unless they are sheep..............

[C.S.]

You are in permanent Lenny territory until everyone gets paid every buck.

You're not implying that he is in hiding and not doing business?
That's the problem... these guys are never excommunicated.

[C.S.]

There is no way anyone with half a brain could trust a book like this unless they are sheep..............

You are 100% wrong.
However, those who have been around the block with these sort of "give the store away" places know the risk involved with posting.
Some don't but a lot do. Those that did obviously milked it for a decent sum.

[PAULYPOKER]

Not true.....it was the sharps who put them out of business.....best believe they got their money

Now this makes sense.........

Jon a dumb fukk who thinks a book can not be beat gets schooled in the worst way,

IF you want to succeed like 5dimes etc you must be able to recognize sharp action and deny all business with them......

[Jbaby97]

This thread is getting old, we're not getting paid, noting else matter. SBR brought us to the slaughter house with there rating of Bet islands. Everything else you guys keep talking about is irrelevant unless someone takes physical action to this problem.

[Betislands]

Yes I was the GM at Betislands yes I was one of the operating founders , yes i was the poster for the sportsbook on the forums but I was never the financial backer nor was I the money guy at BI. this is a known fact in the industry and a known fact to SBR. This is not a way for me to " clean my hands " or cop out of the situation.
I started this thread knowing that that insults , hostility and abuse were coming but not death threats to me and my family. I did it out of respect since I posted on SBR for years with Wagerchief and Betislands. For years I always did my best for players and players always got paid.
The financial support for Betislands encountered legal issues that forced it to drastically step away from the picture , contingency plans were in place and for a moment it seemed that things would get better . I stepped away from the company also a known fact to SBR this why for weeks players would call and ask for me and I would not be available at this point payouts were still being sent.
I did whatever was in my power to try and find a home and another sportsbook that would respond for player funds and provide them safety , another known fact to SBR and another verifiable fact by anyone in the business.
Sadly Betislands was turned down by every single option.
I was not expecting any sort of glory or pat in the back , nor am I hiding but the death threats that I have recieved to my family in the last day are not fair to the situation. I went out and did whatever I could to try and get a home for the players offering to pass the full brand and it was turned down looking for financing to somehow be able to pay players.
I did not create and this is not the 1st sportsbook that is crippled by legal actions taken against its financial entities.
Players should turn to SBR for answers and confirm all the things I just posted above and to anyone else in this industry that has information.


JON

[Miz]

Jon, go die in a grease fire.

[Frogger]

Jon a dumb fukk who thinks a book can not be beat gets schooled in the worst way

Mostly anyone in the industry knows that giving a free 1/2pt plus bonuses is going to get you smoked. Jon had to have 100+ people telling him this. They had to do this or no one would have deposited.

This is like when a girl sees obvious signs her boyfriend is cheating but wants to believe he is a good guy. We all wanted to believe so we did.

[PAULYPOKER]

Now this makes sense.........

Jon a dumb fukk who thinks a book can not be beat gets schooled in the worst way,

IF you want to succeed like 5dimes etc you must be able to recognize sharp action and deny all business with them......

Now since all the Sharps got paid,

the degenerate squares who are left know in their hearts that they would of eventually lost it all anyway.....

Realizing this will be the only closure they have................

[KEdge2k]

Keep digging Jon.

[KGambler]

Jon,

1. Did you lie repeatedly in order to keep the deposits coming in/hold the ship together?

2. Was the backer arrested in the Cantor Gaming/Pinny bust?

3. What does the message up on the site today mean? Is it a stall tactic? If you don't know, make a penetrating phone call.

You have not made a real apology. You have not accepted responsibility, nor admitted to any of your hundreds of past lies. You have not answered any of our questions. How the penetrate do you think everything is just going to be OK? Are you crazy? I mean, I know you can't possibly be this stupid.

[ProfaneReality]

Clearly Jon is buying into that whole repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth thing.

[C.S.]

2. Was the backer arrested in the Cantor Gaming/Pinny bust?

Why do you guys care so much. It is irrelevant.

[Monte]

For christ sake, stop calling this dude Jon.
He is not what you think, and he also never planned this as honest bookmaking business.
The plan was to stiff everyone from day 1 when bets go the wrong way, you don't need to tell him why a book can get beat. They never wanted to secure they cannot be beaten. At least wake up now, am getting sick of how naive people here are.

[Darkside Magick]

Now this makes sense.........

Jon a dumb fukk who thinks a book can not be beat gets schooled in the worst way,

IF you want to succeed like 5dimes etc you must be able to recognize sharp action and deny all business with them......

Here is another thing..the sharps I know who was betting at betislands said their whole mission was to destroy betislands and leave it in ashes!

[Frogger]

I stepped away from the company also a known fact to SBR this why for weeks players would call and ask for me and I would not be available at this point payouts were still being sent.

JON

Why was the story you were on vacation instead of stepping away?

[KGambler]

Why do you guys care so much. It is irrelevant.

Cause he owes us money? Cause we want to know what other books he is or was involved with? Saying it is irrelevant is just asinine.

[Tunes]

Yes I was the GM at Betislands yes I was one of the operating founders , yes i was the poster for the sportsbook on the forums but I was never the financial backer nor was I the money guy at BI. this is a known fact in the industry and a known fact to SBR. This is not a way for me to " clean my hands " or cop out of the situation.
I started this thread knowing that that insults , hostility and abuse were coming but not death threats to me and my family. I did it out of respect since I posted on SBR for years with Wagerchief and Betislands. For years I always did my best for players and players always got paid.
The financial support for Betislands encountered legal issues that forced it to drastically step away from the picture , contingency plans were in place and for a moment it seemed that things would get better . I stepped away from the company also a known fact to SBR this why for weeks players would call and ask for me and I would not be available at this point payouts were still being sent.
I did whatever was in my power to try and find a home and another sportsbook that would respond for player funds and provide them safety , another known fact to SBR and another verifiable fact by anyone in the business.
Sadly Betislands was turned down by every single option.
I was not expecting any sort of glory or pat in the back , nor am I hiding but the death threats that I have recieved to my family in the last day are not fair to the situation. I went out and did whatever I could to try and get a home for the players offering to pass the full brand and it was turned down looking for financing to somehow be able to pay players.
I did not create and this is not the 1st sportsbook that is crippled by legal actions taken against its financial entities.
Players should turn to SBR for answers and confirm all the things I just posted above and to anyone else in this industry that has information.


JON

1. You held yourself out as the responsible party.

2. You lied to all of us, telling everyone that it was the processors, telling everyone you were away on vacation, telling us how you always replied to everyone, telling us how you always paid everyone, etc., etc.

3. You come on here and post a mea culpa and keep writing the same stories over and over.

4. You accused me of being a sharp and limited me. I told you that your limits were too low for me, I wanted my money back and that it was best if we figure out how to return the money to me and we should both move on. This was in September. Once I indicated that I wanted my money back you stopped answering me.

5. Have I mentioned the part about you posting the same stories over and over?


No one cares what you say Jon, that's the part you don't get. Your business STOLE money from all of us and since we don't know anyone involved except for you, that's where we will vent our frustrations. I'm not saying death threats are appropriate because they are not. But for you to keep telling us how you weren't the backer, weren't the boss, etc., etc., that's not only disingenuous but no one cares. Move on. Find another business. Just keep us all out of it.

We're tired of being lied to and tired of someone stealing our money and then trying to explain it all. There is no explanation. If you didn't take sharp action like you kept telling us you didn't, you would have had enough funds on hand to keep rolling. You took a gamble with our money and when that didn't pay, you want to explain.

Stop it. Go away.

[SamDiamond]

And now the website is gone.

[KGambler]

Love the Christmas tree in the logo, and the slogans.

[Dark Horse]

Yes I was the GM at Betislands yes I was one of the operating founders , yes i was the poster for the sportsbook on the forums but I was never the financial backer nor was I the money guy at BI. this is a known fact in the industry and a known fact to SBR. This is not a way for me to " clean my hands " or cop out of the situation.
I started this thread knowing that that insults , hostility and abuse were coming but not death threats to me and my family. I did it out of respect since I posted on SBR for years with Wagerchief and Betislands. For years I always did my best for players and players always got paid.
The financial support for Betislands encountered legal issues that forced it to drastically step away from the picture , contingency plans were in place and for a moment it seemed that things would get better . I stepped away from the company also a known fact to SBR this why for weeks players would call and ask for me and I would not be available at this point payouts were still being sent.
I did whatever was in my power to try and find a home and another sportsbook that would respond for player funds and provide them safety , another known fact to SBR and another verifiable fact by anyone in the business.
Sadly Betislands was turned down by every single option.
I was not expecting any sort of glory or pat in the back , nor am I hiding but the death threats that I have recieved to my family in the last day are not fair to the situation. I went out and did whatever I could to try and get a home for the players offering to pass the full brand and it was turned down looking for financing to somehow be able to pay players.
I did not create and this is not the 1st sportsbook that is crippled by legal actions taken against its financial entities.
Players should turn to SBR for answers and confirm all the things I just posted above and to anyone else in this industry that has information.


JON

You pay and then we're friends again. Would you like me to post the .com company you gave me for paypal deposits? That website is still up. I would suggest you use it for a paypal payment my way. It's up to you if we'll continue to be friendly. Your excuses are not accepted.

[cloverfield]

Yes I was the GM at Betislands yes I was one of the operating founders , yes i was the poster for the sportsbook on the forums but I was never the financial backer nor was I the money guy at BI. this is a known fact in the industry and a known fact to SBR. This is not a way for me to " clean my hands " or cop out of the situation.
I started this thread knowing that that insults , hostility and abuse were coming but not death threats to me and my family. I did it out of respect since I posted on SBR for years with Wagerchief and Betislands. For years I always did my best for players and players always got paid.
The financial support for Betislands encountered legal issues that forced it to drastically step away from the picture , contingency plans were in place and for a moment it seemed that things would get better . I stepped away from the company also a known fact to SBR this why for weeks players would call and ask for me and I would not be available at this point payouts were still being sent.
I did whatever was in my power to try and find a home and another sportsbook that would respond for player funds and provide them safety , another known fact to SBR and another verifiable fact by anyone in the business.
Sadly Betislands was turned down by every single option.
I was not expecting any sort of glory or pat in the back , nor am I hiding but the death threats that I have recieved to my family in the last day are not fair to the situation. I went out and did whatever I could to try and get a home for the players offering to pass the full brand and it was turned down looking for financing to somehow be able to pay players.
I did not create and this is not the 1st sportsbook that is crippled by legal actions taken against its financial entities.
Players should turn to SBR for answers and confirm all the things I just posted above and to anyone else in this industry that has information.


JON

send me a PM. I'll hook you up with a freeplay.


CHEERS

[Trident]

Why do you guys care so much. It is irrelevant.

Would you ever make a deposit into a book knowing he was behind it after walking away like he did at BI?

[William Walters]

Interesting read..........the part about SSLP/Jon and SBR John meeting for a beer caught me off guard a bit. Not saying it means anything more than two guys having a beer...........just didn't realize they were buddy's.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/79025-bye-guys.html

[C.S.]

Would you ever make a deposit into a book knowing he was behind it after walking away like he did at BI?

1. That happens all the time, bust->change name->repeat, eventually someone puts two and two together but guys just can't turn down that huge bonus.
2. It is magical thinking to believe that there is a solid understanding of the financial structure behind the large majority of books. A general idea... yes, but this isn't a regulated industry. Can't look up the shareholders on yahoo finance.
3. I know people are upset and I would be upset as well but looking at this as an outsider it seems like a novel that someone shot a lot of holes through. Things don't make sense, timelines are unclear, etc. People are making a lot of assumptions and others are taking those assumptions as fact and making assumptions off those "facts."

How do you know that when the backing pulled out BI wasn't balanced (meaning customer liability covered by deposits)? Is it the backers fault then?

[lecubs28]

does the tone in jon's posts sound like he actually feels genuinely sorry for the people that lost a combined 1.5 million dollars? does it sound like he holds himself accountable at all? or does it sound like he is trying to rationalize and justify being the head of a fraud operation and repeatedly lying to customers, misrepresenting betislands and himself?

can't believe i trusted this guy with so much money. can't believe how much sbr led me astray. can't believe how much finger pointing is going on right now.

[Dark Horse]

It looks like he's a pathological liar. How does he come up with this story while offering a 100% bonus for Thanksgiving and beyond?

I would have never trusted this guy if it hadn't been for the SBR rating.