An apology to all Betislands players

**offshoreguy** · 12-18-12, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by C.S.

and BTW

might want to check your math...

Thank you

**raiders72001** · 12-18-12, 06:49 PM

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This is where people are getting it all wrong..

BetIslands didn't run off with 1.3 million dollars they ran out of money from paying peter with pauls money although one large affiliate was getting paid during the entire process. This affiliate had 2 separate and unique agent packages one bulked as poster/sharp and the other was average joes.

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**tb1984** · 12-18-12, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by Betislands

My posting does not expect sympathy at all . I was a member of this forum and I worked for a company that right now has harmed players and I understand that none of my actions would be taking in a positive manner but silence would just not be correct on my end , I am posting regardless of the threats and insults.

I read posts from clients saying I ran with a million dollars , which is absurd I am not hiding nor will I hide ... ask every major book owner who I really am ?

I was never the main money nor the financial backer of BI , I truly hope that solutions will appear for players that have lost money in this transaction.

Regarding payout questions , our payouts always went out like clockwork for 2 years so when I was given updates I had no reason not to believe them since they had always done right by clients.

I understand the feel and need to pin this down on someone and why not the guy that posted for Betislands ? but like I said this is a small industry ask around dig deep enough and you will find out that the backers indeed had legal issues and that I indeed did my best for clients.

I spoke with every single respected book to try and get help from them leaving any personal interest aside for the players sake just to have them turn me down.

You can choose to insult me and threaten me , but you can also verify what I just posted.

JON

All you're doing is clearing your name, and nothing else. You don't care a jack about the players, you don't give them any info about this mess.

**SamDiamond** · 12-18-12, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by Betislands

My posting does not expect sympathy at all . I was a member of this forum and I worked for a company that right now has harmed players and I understand that none of my actions would be taking in a positive manner but silence would just not be correct on my end , I am posting regardless of the threats and insults.

I read posts from clients saying I ran with a million dollars , which is absurd I am not hiding nor will I hide ... ask every major book owner who I really am ?

I was never the main money nor the financial backer of BI , I truly hope that solutions will appear for players that have lost money in this transaction.

Regarding payout questions , our payouts always went out like clockwork for 2 years so when I was given updates I had no reason not to believe them since they had always done right by clients.

I understand the feel and need to pin this down on someone and why not the guy that posted for Betislands ? but like I said this is a small industry ask around dig deep enough and you will find out that the backers indeed had legal issues and that I indeed did my best for clients.

I spoke with every single respected book to try and get help from them leaving any personal interest aside for the players sake just to have them turn me down.

You can choose to insult me and threaten me , but you can also verify what I just posted.

JON

"Jon". The best anyone can say about you is that you're a liar. For someone who left the company "weeks ago" as you claimed, you were here championing and ridiculing any notion that you were having problems.

Do I really need to link your messages?

Aside from being a liar. You are at least complicit in players losing their money.

If you wanted to be the stand up guy you are trying to pretend to be, answer the most simple of questions.

Where the hell is everyone's money? And as G.M, explain it in detail for everyone to see and read.

**bubba** · 12-18-12, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by Betislands

I left for personal reasons weeks ago . The backing pulled out due to legal issues.

Some of you can call me a thief a fraud I was the GM for the company not the banker nor the financial decision maker. If the book at a time was performing correctly how can you blame the PR guy to speak good of the company? Which now I truly apologize for the situation that this has become.

Like I said I am hoping this situation will raise awareness in some of the larger books and will come in to help the players out , I knew this post would bring me nothing but hostility but like I said after my posting on the forum It was the least I could do.

As one of the managers of the company I felt you guys deserved that much.

IM SORRY if this has been asked and i did not read the whole thread. But if "legal issues" are the reason, why not close up shop (at least in the US) and pay everyone the money. Like pokerstarts did?

**PPH** · 12-18-12, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by bubba

IM SORRY if this has been asked and i did not read the whole thread. But if "legal issues" are the reason, why not close up shop (at least in the US) and pay everyone the money. Like pokerstarts did?

They couldn't do that because the money was rolling in. It doesn't matter if all the players hit their rollover and request a payout because the money is rolling in. Like all ponzi schemes it eventually slows down and the public catches wind.

**PPH** · 12-18-12, 07:08 PM

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Re: Breaking News -- A Top Rated Forum Sportsbook is BROKE!!
This is where people are getting it all wrong..

BetIslands didn't run off with 1.3 million dollars they ran out of money from paying peter with pauls money although one large affiliate was getting paid during the entire process. This affiliate had 2 separate and unique agent packages one bulked as poster/sharp and the other was average joes."

Well thank god that posting forum is not responsible in any way. I am sure that posting forum in question is a true players advocate and any monies obtained from those sheets is used to go out in the field and do background checks to ensure that "Tattoo from Fantasy Island" doesn't run your book.

**raiders72001** · 12-18-12, 07:11 PM

What were the percentages for the sharps and squares?

**Milk Money** · 12-18-12, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by C.S.

What does... "the backing" have to do with player deposits?
If the backing pulls out you can't do business going forward, but there should be a surplus of players deposits around... right?
Where did they go?

Ya wtf. WHERE ARE THE PLAYER FUNDS?

**5mike5** · 12-18-12, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by big joe 1212

just go away already you POS

you don't even answer the questions asked that are legit questions

don't forget to click on the link to become an SBR pro

**Footballtime** · 12-18-12, 07:19 PM

Apologize to me in person next month...........Ill be in San Jose at the Marriott From January 19 till January 27th...... Just hang around out front, unless i find you before then........

**raiders72001** · 12-18-12, 07:22 PM

Internet tough guys are laughable.

**Ra77er** · 12-18-12, 07:24 PM

R.I.P Jon

Cheers

**tto827** · 12-18-12, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by Footballtime

No Bitch you are trying to save your fuking life,,,,,,,Ill be down in Costa Rica in 5 weeks Bitch, Hopefully with the picture i have and your fullname Jon Kreta, someone down there will point me in the right direction for 250-500us dollars. I am personally going to shove you gun up your fuking ass bitch, and you may wake up with a little Vasoline on your asshole! Give me 5 weeks, Costa Rica is a yearly Vacation for me since my Wife is spanish, Good luck and please stay down there, you cant be hard to find down there fukhead!

This is a fukkin epic post.

**Footballtime** · 12-18-12, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Internet tough guys are laughable.

So are guys with Raiders Avatars, and broke diks that aint got 200 to be a pro, not that being a pro gets you much around here... Go back and check your 12 point bet you just put in...............and leave this thread for the grown ups, TIA if you dont know thanks in advance kiddie!

**raiders72001** · 12-18-12, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by Footballtime

So are guys with Raiders Avatars, and broke diks that aint got 200 to be a pro, not that being a pro gets you much around here... Go back and check your 12 point bet you just put in...............and leave this thread for the grown ups, TIA if you dont know thanks in advance kiddie!

Never made a 12 point bet. Don't play in contests or waste my time on the small stuff. Don't care about being a pro and don't even know the all details although I did ask once and was told that US players didn't get to be pro for deposits and I was already funded at almost all the books, booted or limited.

Now go back to threatening people on the Internet tough guy.

**bostonboss** · 12-18-12, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by Footballtime

So are guys with Raiders Avatars, and broke diks that aint got 200 to be a pro, not that being a pro gets you much around here... Go back and check your 12 point bet you just put in...............and leave this thread for the grown ups, TIA if you dont know thanks in advance kiddie!

i agree with half of that the raiders are laughable..but becoming a pro and giving another scam artist mr. bill dozer 200 dollars wasn't a wise decision....he will not be getting your money back in the BI case...he was probably at jon's christmas party.

**HedgeHog** · 12-18-12, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Internet tough guys are laughable.

Only thing worse is mod wannabes that suck company dikk. You can relate buddy, right?

**raiders72001** · 12-18-12, 07:37 PM

Who's who in the picture.

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**raiders72001** · 12-18-12, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by HedgeHog

Only thing worse is mod wannabes that suck company dikk. You can relate buddy, right?

Yawn

**Speedy88** · 12-18-12, 07:38 PM

Wow...can't believe i deposited with these bums. Worst part is I deposited just a couple months ago and probably only made a handful of bets.

**raiders72001** · 12-18-12, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by bostonboss

i agree with half of that the raiders are laughable..but becoming a pro and giving another scam artist mr. bill dozer 200 dollars wasn't a wise decision....he will not be getting your money back in the BI case...he was probably at jon's christmas party.

PanAm was the bad one since SBR was at PanAm's New Year's party and then they stiffed players for millions. I think PanAm was A-. That was a true pump and dump.

**5mike5** · 12-18-12, 07:40 PM

dount many sbr PRO members that were stiffed will be renewing their 200 bucks this year

**Monte** · 12-18-12, 07:41 PM

An apology is much better than paying out all the players here, of course.
I can buy a Ferrari with 100.000 apologies, in a far away land.

**HedgeHog** · 12-18-12, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Yawn

$1.5 million in BI theft and SBR sends you in for clean-up. What is SBR paying you---25 cents a post?

**Speedy88** · 12-18-12, 07:43 PM

unbelievable

**Monte** · 12-18-12, 07:44 PM

Don't bother with Raiders, HH. We all know his BetOnSports shilling history, it's amazing that he has the balls to come back to this place and post away as if nothing happened.

**raiders72001** · 12-18-12, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by Monte

Don't bother with Raiders, HH. We all know his BetOnSports shilling history, it's amazing that he has the balls to come back to this place and post away as if nothing happened.

STFU- I paid players out of my own pocket. No one got stiffed. Players were paid contest winnings. Fishhead got a free entry to the Las Vegas Hilton contest. All happened when BOS went under. No other site guaranteed funds and they didn't pay out of their own pocket. Stick to the topic of BI.

**Monte** · 12-18-12, 07:48 PM

How much did you pay "your" players, a total of 2k?

**Isaiah** · 12-18-12, 07:48 PM

Stick your apology up your arse. You are the prototypical CONfidence man (smooth talker, sympathetic, understanding, etc.) who played an important role in what was a scam from the beginning. You are right out of central casting. Thieves, the whole lot of the Bet Islands confidence game operation.

**HedgeHog** · 12-18-12, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

STFU- I paid players out of my own pocket. No one got stiffed. Players were paid contest winnings. Fishhead got a free entry to the Las Vegas Hilton contest. All happened when BOS went under. No other site guaranteed funds and they didn't pay out of their own pocket. Stick to the topic of BI.

Looks like we hit a nerve with the shill.

**Ra77er** · 12-18-12, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by HedgeHog

Looks like we hit a nerve with the shill.

**raiders72001** · 12-18-12, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by Monte

How much did you pay "your" players, a total of 2k?

Mid 5 figures. I don't know why I reply to clowns like you and HH. Fishhead's entry and flight and hotel worth $2k alone.

BI stiffed for close to $1m. Stick to that. Done replying to you little guys.

**KEdge2k** · 12-18-12, 08:00 PM

Is the idiot with all the tattoos really Jon?

That's hilarious. I wouldn't trust him with 10 bucks let alone five figures

**raiders72001** · 12-18-12, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by KEdge2k

Is the idiot with all the tattoos really Jon?

That's hilarious. I wouldn't trust him with 10 bucks let alone five figures

check out this one