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[Hareeba!]

https://x.com/i/status/1968010515176886720

[DwightShrute]

Dwight - I’ve had this conversation with you years ago. What you posted and make fun of may seem cut and dry to you BUT it’s not so simple. Do you know there are people, a lot of people that are intersex? This has been swept under the rug for decades. Some people do not have XX or XY chromosomes. Many have more than one genitalia. We’re talking ~2% of the population, as much as redheads. Some are confused because they don’t fit traditional boxes. So maybe you should use logic and reasoning on this subject.


https://www.minus18.org.au/articles/i'm-intersex:-here's-what-that-means/?srsltid=AfmBOopzEuP2sfTlUdPfpUsQ2roqPoR tHhUTfBx4uPPT9FJBnTTKaN82

we discussed this a few weeks ago and I used logic and reasoning back then. Men and women are different. Men pretending to be women aren't women. That 2% number is bullshit,

According to Grok ...

The claim that 1.7% of the population is intersex is widely debated and often overstated statistic based on a broad, inclusive definition of intersex conditions that has been heavily criticized by medical experts for inflating the figure and diluting the term's clinical meaning. The true prevalence, when using more precise medical criteria focused on ambiguous or inconsistent sex characteristics, is much lower—around 0.018% (or about 1 in 5,500 births). Below, I'll break this down step by step, drawing on the origins of the 1.7% figure, the criticisms, and alternative estimates from reliable sources across medical, advocacy, and academic perspectives.Origins of the 1.7% FigureThe 1.7% estimate comes primarily from a 2000 study led by biologist Anne Fausto-Sterling (published in the American Journal of Human Biology as "How Sexually Dimorphic Are We?"). This research reviewed medical literature from 1955 to 1998 to estimate the frequency of "nondimorphic sexual development," which the authors defined broadly as any birth that does not conform to a strict binary ideal of male or female across chromosomes, gonads, genitals, and hormones.

• What it includes: The figure aggregates a wide range of conditions, such as:
  • Late-onset congenital adrenal hyperplasia (LOCAH), which accounts for about 1.5 percentage points (88% of the total). This is often asymptomatic and doesn't typically cause visible ambiguity; it may only affect fertility or hormone levels later in life.
  • Chromosomal variations like Klinefelter syndrome (47,XXY; ~1 in 1,000 births), Turner syndrome (45,X; ~1 in 2,000 births), and others (e.g., 47,XYY or 47,XXX), which may involve infertility or subtle traits but often result in a clear male or female phenotype.
  • Other traits like vaginal agenesis (~1 in 6,000 births) or idiopathic genital variations.
• Why this broad definition? Fausto-Sterling's work was part of a feminist and social critique of rigid gender binaries, arguing that human sex exists on a spectrum. She aimed to highlight natural variations to challenge the idea of absolute dimorphism. Advocacy groups like InterACT (successor to the Intersex Society of North America) and Intersex Human Rights Australia continue to cite 1.7% (or up to 2%) because it "encapsulates the entire population of people who are stigmatized—or risk stigmatization—due to innate sex characteristics," even if some included conditions aren't clinically ambiguous.

This estimate has been popularized by organizations like the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR), Amnesty International, and the Human Rights Campaign (HRC), which compare it to the prevalence of red hair (1-2%) to emphasize that intersex traits are common and deserve recognition and protection from issues like non-consensual surgeries.Criticisms: Why It's Considered Overstated or MisleadingThe 1.7% figure has faced significant pushback from clinicians, geneticists, and researchers who argue it misrepresents intersex prevalence by including conditions that don't involve true sexual ambiguity (i.e., where genitalia, chromosomes, or phenotype can't be clearly classified as male or female). Critics say this broadens the term "intersex" to the point of meaninglessness, potentially stigmatizing people with common disorders while exaggerating the rate of clinically relevant cases.

• Leonard Sax's 2002 Response (Journal of Sex Research): In a direct rebuttal to Fausto-Sterling, psychologist and physician Leonard Sax redefined intersex more narrowly: conditions where chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or the phenotype isn't classifiable as male or female. Excluding LOCAH, Klinefelter, Turner, and similar traits (which Sax argues aren't "intersex" clinically, as they don't cause ambiguity at birth or require sex reassignment), the prevalence drops to ~0.018%. This is nearly 100 times lower than 1.7%. Sax notes that Fausto-Sterling's inclusion of LOCAH alone inflates the number dramatically, as it's not considered an intersex condition by most endocrinologists.
• Clinical Consensus: Medical bodies like the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Endocrine Society focus on "disorders/differences of sex development" (DSDs) with ambiguous genitalia, estimating 1 in 4,500 to 1 in 2,000 births (0.02-0.05%). For example:
  • Ambiguous genitalia specifically: 0.02-0.05%.
  • Broader DSDs (including chromosomal but excluding non-ambiguous cases): ~0.05-0.37% (per a 2003 analysis by Carrie Hull correcting Fausto-Sterling's data).
  • A 2021-2022 Mexican national survey (n=6,582) found ~1.6% self-reporting sex variations, but this was in an LGBT+ sample and relied on self-identification, not clinical diagnosis, leading to potential overestimation.
• Other Critiques:
  • Philosopher Kathleen Stock (2023) called Fausto-Sterling's criteria "preposterously over-demanding," noting it could label someone like herself (who lost an ovary due to illness) as intersex, which absurdly expands the category beyond biology.
  • A 2018 systematic review in SAGE Open highlighted variable nomenclature (e.g., DSD vs. intersex) leading to inconsistent estimates, with some studies including polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) hyperandrogenism, further broadening the net.
  • In a 2022 NCBI report on measuring intersex populations, a U.S. survey (n=1,528, weighted for diversity) found 4.9% self-reported diagnosis, but authors cautioned this was likely inflated due to overrepresentation of LGBT+ respondents and no verification—far higher than clinical data.
  • Even Fausto-Sterling has acknowledged limitations: In a 2003 response to critics, she said she wasn't "invested in a particular final estimate," and a later analysis with colleagues revised it down to ~0.37% after correcting errors.

Advocacy sources (e.g., Intersex Campaign for Equality) defend the 1.7% as the "most thorough" for capturing all variations, but even they note it's an upper bound and that narrower stats (e.g., 0.05% for ambiguous cases) are often misinterpreted to downplay intersex rights.Balanced Perspective: Why the Debate Matters

• Stakeholder Views:
  • Medical/Scientific Side: Emphasizes precision to avoid pathologizing common conditions (e.g., Klinefelter affects ~1 in 500-1,000 males but is managed as a fertility issue, not intersex). Lower estimates (0.018-0.05%) focus on cases needing intervention, like surgeries, which occur in ~0.02% of births.
  • Advocacy/Human Rights Side: Prefers broader figures to highlight stigma, discrimination, and the need for protections (e.g., against infant surgeries, which can cause infertility or trauma). UN and Amnesty sources use 1.7% to argue intersex people (~136 million globally) face systemic abuses, comparable to other minorities.
  • Social Science Side: Fausto-Sterling's work critiques binary norms, but critics like Sax argue it blurs biology with ideology, potentially undermining sex-based rights (e.g., in sports or prisons).
• Challenges in Measurement: No global registry exists due to stigma, underdiagnosis (some traits appear at puberty), and varying definitions. A 2020 U.S. study (n=1,040 intersex adults) found good physical health overall but higher mental health issues, underscoring the need for better data regardless of exact prevalence.

In summary, while the 1.7% isn't fabricated—it's a legitimate (if expansive) academic estimate—it's not the consensus figure for intersex prevalence and has been substantively critiqued for methodological reasons. For clinical or policy purposes, 0.018-0.05% better reflects cases of true ambiguity. If you're referring to a specific context (e.g., advocacy vs. medicine), the "lie" perception often stems from how it's deployed in debates over sex binaries, where broader definitions serve ideological goals but clash with empirical precision. For deeper reading, I recommend Sax's 2002 paper or Fausto-Sterling's Sexing the Body (2000).

[Hareeba!]

We have a big update on our case challenging the Trump-Vance administration agreement that allowed for the disappearance of people to El Salvador:

We’ve secured the release of a previously secret grant agreement between the Trump-Vance administration and El Salvador to disappear people from U.S. territory to the Centro de Confinamiento del Terrorismo – a facility infamous for torture, starvation, and indefinite isolated detention. This newly released document, part of our ongoing lawsuit, shows that the administration is not just ignoring due process, it also did nothing to protect people from torture, indefinite confinement, or other abuses. The agreement did, however, go to lengths to ensure that the funds the U.S. provided to El Salvador not be used to provide reproductive health care or to assist asylum seekers in accessing resources and counsel. The public disclosure of this document and its terms marks a significant victory in our ongoing lawsuit and shows that – yet again – litigation is playing a critical role in securing some measure of transparency from the U.S. government. After the Trump-Vance administration insisted that the terms of its arrangement with El Salvador to facilitate the disappearance of people from U.S. territory be kept secret and out of public view, our team secured the release of this information so the American people can know what their government has done. Our goal was to uncover anything we could about this secret agreement, and we did just that. This is part of our ongoing work to hold the Trump-Vance administration accountable, and we’re not stopping any time soon. Democracy Forward

[Hareeba!]

so much race hatred in America

stop denying it

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NBC News


Charlie Kirk’s organization Turning Point USA says it has 37,000 new applications to start chapters in schools
across the U.S.

During a tribute episode of “The Charlie Kirk Show,” with Vice President JD Vance, Kirk’s executive producer
says Kirk dreamed of having chapters in every high school in the country.

This could be a very good thing to come out of the tragedy, if it really is a continuation of his vision.

Charlie got people with opposing views to come out and listen to him, unlike almost any other political booster.

If kids are truly encouraged to listen to and argue their opinions with opposing viewers it really could be the start of bringing the people back together again.

Just don't let it be a partisan echo chamber where only one side of the political spectrum attends and listens to each other.

[19th Hole]

NBC News


Charlie Kirk’s organization Turning Point USA says it has 37,000 new applications to start chapters in schools
across the U.S.

During a tribute episode of “The Charlie Kirk Show,” with Vice President JD Vance, Kirk’s executive producer
says Kirk dreamed of having chapters in every high school in the country.

[Optional]

I personally do not know anyone intersex but then when I think about it, maybe I did/do and just ignored them or they kept it to themselves. I do have empathy for any family or person dealing with the issue. This country is not very tolerant. It makes the debate about males in women sports much more complex.

About 30 years ago my wife's best friend's husband came out to her as being a woman trapped in a mans body and he wanted to start wearing womens clothes around the house. I could write a lot about this bloke but will cut it short to just the key takeaways I learned from it.

He wasn't gay and there was no sexual titillation connected with the cross dressing.

He said he had never known how to act and react as a man does and had spent his life learning how he was supposed to think and act and mimicking it. He said every interaction with other people was a high mental workload situation where he had to constantly analyze what he was supposed to do or say.

He said when he was dressed as a woman he knew how to act instinctively and the experience of being stress free and relaxed made whatever weirdness others felt worth taking on.

They ended up working out a solution and both he, as a woman, and their kids ended up above average successful and happy in life.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Obviously I can't know for sure what the numbers are.

But I think it's a serious issue for a person to be dealing with and a tough one to find someone outside of specialist care givers to work through it with. So I am inclined to believe the documented usage figures of those services as being fairly close to the number of real life cases.

And for mine, 2% of the population is almost a nonsensical claim. As you pointed out that's as many gingers as we have in the world.

I want to see trans people accepted, or at the very least 'ignored' as no one else's problem but their own.

Being MAGA style overblown hysterical about it turns middle of the road opinion holders away from that goal imho.




I'm sure plenty prefer to avoid scrutiny and hide it as much as possible.

But I'm also sure almost all of them go talk to a specialist about it at least once in their lives.

I personally do not know anyone intersex but then when I think about it, maybe I did/do and just ignored them or they kept it to themselves. I do have empathy for any family or person dealing with the issue. This country is not very tolerant. It makes the debate about males in women sports much more complex.

[Hareeba!]

https://x.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1967957643151978595

[Optional]

How do we know it’s not closer to 2%. I’ve seen that number thrown around several places. I certainly don’t know. It seems to depend on what characteristics of intersex you look for. It’s not something I studied and I’ve never worked in a children’s hospital. Either way, at any %, thats a lot of people and makes sense why it should be talked about more. People like Dwight don’t realize there’s people like that. He only sees male/female..

How do you know some of the ones assigned at birth haven’t had issues? That would seem to be at least confusing to me.

Obviously I can't know for sure what the numbers are.

But I think it's a serious issue for a person to be dealing with and a tough one to find someone outside of specialist care givers to work through it with. So I am inclined to believe the documented usage figures of those services as being fairly close to the number of real life cases.

And for mine, 2% of the population is almost a nonsensical claim. As you pointed out that's as many gingers as we have in the world.

I want to see trans people accepted, or at the very least 'ignored' as no one else's problem but their own.

Being MAGA style overblown hysterical about it turns middle of the road opinion holders away from that goal imho.

I don’t think they are heard here in the US. I’ve never heard any news channel talk about it. It was never a topic in school. I bet if you ask 100 Americans what does intersex means, 99 wouldn’t know. What you do hear is that you are either male or female. It’s only black or white. Intersex people here would/should never admit it. This country makes fun of them.

I'm sure plenty prefer to avoid scrutiny and hide it as much as possible.

But I'm also sure almost all of them go talk to a specialist about it at least once in their lives.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Yes.

Will making up hysterically large numbers, or claiming there is some hidden group of extras who somehow survive with zero medical intervention over their entire lives, help them be heard?

I don’t think they are heard here in the US. I’ve never heard any news channel talk about it. It was never a topic in school. I bet if you ask 100 Americans what does intersex means, 99 wouldn’t know. What you do hear is that you are either male or female. It’s only black or white. Intersex people here would/should never admit it. This country makes fun of them.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Sure, most physical ambiguity issues are addressed at birth and it appears that that results in almost all of those babies not growing up considering themselves inter sex. ie: docs/parents get it right in these cases almost every time.

So imho saying that 2% of people, or some vast hidden number greater than the less than 1/5th of one percent who seek medical help with it, is just as disingenuous as MAGA claiming they need to protect the women and children who might share a bathroom with one of these "monsters".

No one of either side of the debate is going to be convinced by patently bias and over blown figures.

Yet both sides loudest advocates do it constantly.

How do we know it’s not closer to 2%. I’ve seen that number thrown around several places. I certainly don’t know. It seems to depend on what characteristics of intersex you look for. It’s not something I studied and I’ve never worked in a children’s hospital. Either way, at any %, thats a lot of people and makes sense why it should be talked about more. People like Dwight don’t realize there’s people like that. He only sees male/female..

How do you know some of the ones assigned at birth haven’t had issues? That would seem to be at least confusing to me.

[Hareeba!]

https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1968075893110345989

[Optional]

I tend to think a lot more people are intersex but are afraid, ashamed to admit it. But even if you use the 0.02%, you’re still talking about tens of thousands of people. Should they have a voice?

Yes.

Will making up hysterically large numbers, or claiming there is some hidden group of extras who somehow survive with zero medical intervention over their entire lives, help them be heard?

[Mac4Lyfe]

Hey, I started connecting the MAGA dots ... trail gets fuzzy with that furry.

I really don’t care if this sicko was left leaning or right. He’s Just another crazy young male with easy access to guys.

He seems like he was pissed with Kirk because he had a trans boy/girl friend. So you can blame the left. But for him to accurately kill Kirk from that distance, he was most likely trained from his dad who’s on the right. Not too many leftist sharpshooters. So you can blame both sides for this one.

The one thing remains. Another mentally ill, young, white male was able to get a gun. Ban guns to understand 30.

[Optional]

I know a very popular Obgyn in Texas that delivered babies and she said the numbers are higher than most realize. She assigned their sex at birth and sometimes modified organs at the wish of the parents. So I believe the numbers are more than we know. I have read several journals that say close to 2%. That’s a lot of people.

Hell, I went out with a girl that had 3 nipples. Many people have high estrogen or testosterone levels that are of the other sex. I don’t think it’s fair to blame someone for being born a certain way.

Sure, most physical ambiguity issues are addressed at birth and it appears that that results in almost all of those babies not growing up considering themselves inter sex. ie: docs/parents get it right in these cases almost every time.

So imho saying that 2% of people, or some vast hidden number greater than the less than 1/5th of one percent who seek medical help with it, is just as disingenuous as MAGA claiming they need to protect the women and children who might share a bathroom with one of these "monsters".

No one of either side of the debate is going to be convinced by patently bias and over blown figures.

Yet both sides loudest advocates do it constantly.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Trouble with that definition of hers is that a vanishingly small % of those people consider themselves intersex.

In America, the home of trans hysteria, less than 0.02% consider themselves inter sex to the point of seeking medical assessment or psychological support for it.


Do you WANT to just believe the activist who has come up with astounding numbers that don't gel with anyone's personal reality? I don't when that means 1 out of every 50 people I have ever met should be inter-sex according to her

I tend to think a lot more people are intersex but are afraid, ashamed to admit it. But even if you use the 0.02%, you’re still talking about tens of thousands of people. Should they have a voice?

[Mac4Lyfe]

If you are using the Fausto-Sterling figures pro-trans advocates demand are factual, it's actually 1.7% she claims meet her specific conditions to call inter-sex.

Trouble with that definition of hers is that a vanishingly small % of those people consider themselves intersex.

In America, the home of trans hysteria, less than 0.02% consider themselves inter sex to the point of seeking medical assessment or psychological support for it.


Do you WANT to just believe the activist who has come up with astounding numbers that don't gel with anyone's personal reality? I don't when that means 1 out of every 50 people I have ever met should be inter-sex according to her

I know a very popular Obgyn in Texas that delivered babies and she said the numbers are higher than most realize. She assigned their sex at birth and sometimes modified organs at the wish of the parents. So I believe the numbers are more than we know. I have read several journals that say close to 2%. That’s a lot of people.

Hell, I went out with a girl that had 3 nipples. Many people have high estrogen or testosterone levels that are of the other sex. I don’t think it’s fair to blame someone for being born a certain way.

[pavyracer]

South Korea probes for human rights abuses in U.S. raid as Trump insists foreign workers are 'welcome'

The detention of more than 300 workers following a raid by immigration authorities at a Hyundai plant in Georgia has stunned the key U.S. ally.

HONG KONG — South Korea said Monday that it would investigate whether its workers suffered any human rights violations during a raid by U.S. authorities as President Donald Trump insisted that he did not want to “frighten off” foreign investment.

[Optional]

Some people do not have XX or XY chromosomes. Many have more than one genitalia. We’re talking ~2% of the population, as much as redheads.

If you are using the Fausto-Sterling figures pro-trans advocates demand are factual, it's actually 1.7% she claims meet her specific conditions to call inter-sex.

Trouble with that definition of hers is that a vanishingly small % of those people consider themselves intersex.

In America, the home of trans hysteria, less than 0.02% consider themselves inter sex to the point of seeking medical assessment or psychological support for it.


Do you WANT to just believe the activist who has come up with astounding numbers that don't gel with anyone's personal reality? I don't when that means 1 out of every 50 people I have ever met should be inter-sex according to her

[Optional]

Dwight - I’ve had this conversation with you years ago. What you posted and make fun of may seem cut and dry to you BUT it’s not so simple. Do you know there are people, a lot of people that are intersex? This has been swept under the rug for decades. Some people do not have XX or XY chromosomes. Many have more than one genitalia. We’re talking ~2% of the population, as much as redheads. Some are confused because they don’t fit traditional boxes. So maybe you should use logic and reasoning on this subject.


https://www.minus18.org.au/articles/i'm-intersex:-here's-what-that-means/?srsltid=AfmBOopzEuP2sfTlUdPfpUsQ2roqPoR tHhUTfBx4uPPT9FJBnTTKaN82

When Dwight gets all excited that he is "winning" the contest that he acts like he is perpetually in, he loses complete perspective. Almost pointless to even bother talking to him at all when he gets this high on his own supply of rhetoric.

Maybe we should start a poll about who holds the most blindly partisan and hateful opinions out of Hareeba and Dwight and help him see just how far he has fallen...


I bet HE goes around pointing fingers at evil lefties trying to score political points from the Kirk shooting, whilst having zero self awareness that he is as guilty as the worst of them for doing that.

[Mac4Lyfe]

You can't use reason and logic with people that don't know the difference between a boy and a girl.

Dwight - I’ve had this conversation with you years ago. What you posted and make fun of may seem cut and dry to you BUT it’s not so simple. Do you know there are people, a lot of people that are intersex? This has been swept under the rug for decades. Some people do not have XX or XY chromosomes. Many have more than one genitalia. We’re talking ~2% of the population, as much as redheads. Some are confused because they don’t fit traditional boxes. So maybe you should use logic and reasoning on this subject.

https://www.minus18.org.au/articles/i'm-intersex:-here's-what-that-means/?srsltid=AfmBOopzEuP2sfTlUdPfpUsQ2roqPoRtHhUTfBx4uPPT9FJBnTTKaN82

[jt315]

The Fani Willis fiasco is finally over

The GA Supreme Court has ruled

She’s finally and officially off the Fulton Trump RICO case

[DwightShrute]

https://x.com/i/status/1967971073514958950

[DwightShrute]

[DwightShrute]

https://x.com/i/status/1966970836063318343

TRUTH!

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Binge watched a bunch of Charlie Kirk videos the last couple of days as I was not familiar with him, I'd only heard his name.

Gotta admit the man was a brilliant orator and debater and I found him to be admirable in the way he spoke and interacted with those he was debating, always respectful and thoughtful.

Really enjoyed watching him debate and will watch more. I understand now why he was so admired/loved.

Having said that I don't agree with him 100% but I respect how he handled himself, his death was certainly a tragedy.

RIP Charlie.

[DwightShrute]

No Trump voter will turn on him.

Not for democracy.
Not for the Constitution.
Not for the rule of law.
Only for one thing:
pain-
Jobs gone.
Farms lost.
Mortgages defaulted.
Cars repossessed.

Then they’ll flinch. Not before.

he/him now stealing quotes from Joe Walsh

https://x.com/i/status/1965127803856126061

[Hareeba!]

No Trump voter will turn on him.

Not for democracy.
Not for the Constitution.
Not for the rule of law.
Only for one thing:
pain-
Jobs gone.
Farms lost.
Mortgages defaulted.
Cars repossessed.

Then they’ll flinch. Not before.

[19th Hole]

The press will not say it, but the truth is unavoidable:
the far left is not preparing to share power.
It is preparing to seize it—or, failing that, to destroy society itself.

The only question left is how much longer the rest of the country will look the other way.

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There were plenty of people in America who cheered the destructive event. A puppet for Dick Chaney.?. Never heard that. He was a puppet I'm sure. My guess is, Bush should never have been there in the first place. He was weak and pathetic. Probably never made a move without asking his father first.

He was so freeking bad, Americans voted Obama in ...... TWICE..!

I kind of agree. If not for 9/11 GWB would have been laughed out of office for the second term.

[DwightShrute]

Matt Walsh!!! WOW!!

@EricLDaugh
Matt Walsh flawlessly explains how the Right getting people fired for celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk is not the Left's cancel culture.

https://x.com/i/status/1967727072517984533

[slewfan]

I remember 911 a bit differently to that. GWB was getting a lot of disrespect and jokes about him being a puppet of Dick Cheney. There was a lot of talk about citizen militias and preppers and anti govt stuff.

Then within days of the attack all that changed 180 degrees. GWB was suddenly getting respect from almost everyone and anti-govt opinions were not welcome and what I would call true patriotism went through the roof. Non partisan patriotism. Not the fake BS only voters on my side that think like I do are patriots crap that has infected so much thinking.

There were plenty of people in America who cheered the destructive event. A puppet for Dick Chaney.?. Never heard that. He was a puppet I'm sure. My guess is, Bush should never have been there in the first place. He was weak and pathetic. Probably never made a move without asking his father first.

He was so freeking bad, Americans voted Obama in ...... TWICE..!

[Hareeba!]

Vance: "While our side of the aisle certainly has its crazies, it is a statistical fact that most of the lunatics in American politics today are proud members of the far-Left."

This is total projection and gaslighting from the Vice President.

If you look at the actual data, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of politically motivated violence and extremist plots in the U.S. have come from the FAR-RIGHT, not the left.

https://x.com/grok/status/1967692008564330724

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tRump the troll, rapist and child molester.

Release the Epstein files!!!