Donk VINDICATION: TOP EXPERTS DOWN TO 81,766 EXPECTED DEATHS....

[topgame85]

They wouldn't be on the roads because you forgot the most important part, even if your relative risk claims were correct ... HALF THE PEOPLE WOULD BE ON THE ROAD SINCE YOU DESTROYED THEIR JOBS AND LIVELIHOOD.

Learn how to make an argument, even if you are faking it, make it somewhat interesting.

It was a comparison of risk statistics. If Donk had his way everything would be open, and people contracting a disease 6 times ( fake number he pulled out his ass, in reality at least 10x more deadly than the flu) which is close to the equivalent of only driving on roads with all drunk people. Another person who doesn't understand math. No wonder sportsbooks make so much $.

[StackinGreen]

Donk, you're not going to win this argument.

Models can claim millions upon millions of people **could** die.

But if we all listen to what the establishment tells us to do, than we can all be saved.

**Only** 81k will die... thanks of course to the elite media and politicians (who got this frenzy going in the first place).

What a catch 22

Exactly, as if that fat ass in Springfield or Fauci are all of a sudden gonna say, "Oh yeah, whoops, sorry about destroying the economy. My bad. We were wrong."

That alone shows you it's a farce.

[StackinGreen]

It was a comparison of risk statistics. If Donk had his way everything would be open, and people contracting a disease 6 times ( fake number he pulled out his ass, in reality at least 10x more deadly than the flu) which is close to the equivalent of only driving on rodes with all drunk people. Another person who doesn't understand math. No wonder sportsbooks make so much $.

I understand what it is, I am trained in this stuff, I talk about relative and absolute risk all the time. You're going to shut down the economy and affect everyone so that you can stave off a bad flu season? That seems nuts. You might as well save everyone from every disease ever by telling them never to come outside. That's the safest way.

I challenge your claim that COVID19 is 10x more lethal than the seasonal flu. Many countries (S. Korea, Iceland, Sweden etc), cruise ship example (Holland America and RC) show it to be very similar. Even if it were 0.4%, that's 4 in 10,000 ... we see that in many of the flu years from the past decade.

Why didn't we shut the whole thing down then??? You act like people walk outside and there is palpable fear. The overreaction is a joke. People who are ages 1-50 have almost no chance of dying from this, nearly everyone does something more dangerous every single day. Those that die from it are the same 40 year old that if in previous years someone said, "Yeah, it was sad, he died from the flu." You'd be like, "Huh? No one dies from the flu. That must be have been something else."

Precisely.

[thomorino]

The problem with the models is they dont account for how diffetent new york city is from most od the country and how stupid cuomo was shutting the city down late.

[StackinGreen]

Yes morino, they act like there's no disadvantages for being NYC ... well, here's one. Sounds they'd rather be in "flyover country" right now. Life has a grand way of humbling the proud.

[topgame85]

I understand what it is, I am trained in this stuff, I talk about relative and absolute risk all the time. You're going to shut down the economy and affect everyone so that you can stave off a bad flu season? That seems nuts. You might as well save everyone from every disease ever by telling them never to come outside. That's the safest way.

I challenge your claim that COVID19 is 10x more lethal than the seasonal flu. Many countries (S. Korea, Iceland, Sweden etc), cruise ship example (Holland America and RC) show it to be very similar. Even if it were 0.4%, that's 4 in 10,000 ... we see that in many of the flu years from the past decade.

Why didn't we shut the whole thing down then??? You act like people walk outside and there is palpable fear. The overreaction is a joke. People who are ages 1-50 have almost no chance of dying from this, nearly everyone does something more dangerous every single day. Those that die from it are the same 40 year old that if in previous years someone said, "Yeah, it was sad, he died from the flu." You'd be like, "Huh? No one dies from the flu. That must be have been something else."

Precisely.

You stated:

"Even if it were 0.4%, that's 4 in 10,000". Wrong.

0.4% of 10,000 is 40.

Like I said, you don't know math.

[StackinGreen]

1000, great job, next thing you know you'll correct a spelling error

instead of making a solid argument

lame

[JIBBBY]

Half the Corona cases now are never reported.. Just get sick at home and recover. Numbers don't mean crap for this Corona garbage anymore if you don't get hospitalized.

Homeless population infected now also.. This should get interesting!!!

[topgame85]

1000, great job, next thing you know you'll correct a spelling error

instead of making a solid argument

lame

Look, this whole thing has become exhausting. I could give two shits about how this makes Trump look so his vanguard can screw off. I won't be voting for the man regardless, and I personally believe he lost any hope of reelection long before COVID. We will find out soon enough. I also understand the very real impact to the economy from this shut down, especially if we drag on beyond June 1st. Had we, as you said, "shut it all down" early on we may not be having this conversation today. Economic impact would have been minimal and we would have saved many lives. Sacrificing up to 2 million Americans is not a viable option to save the economy IMO. Greed got us here (not shutting down immediately) and greed will likely force us to open too early. I wish the reality were different but we are going to lose a lot of folks in a very short period of time because of indecision and inaction.

[vitterd]

I told everyone that auto doosh is the dumbest person on this site. This thread proves it. He is one ugly, low IQ, hillbilly.

[pavyracer]

All schools are closed, malls are closed, restaurants and bars are closed, no one works except from home and you are bragging that you beat the number of deaths?

[jjgold]

Great post

All schools are closed, malls are closed, restaurants and bars are closed, no one works except from home and you are bragging that you beat the number of deaths?

[Wabashwonders]

Do we have protection from the flu? Why do so many people die from it then? I await your (non) answer --- math shows you that even with "protection from the flu" the flu still kills more people = COVID not that lethal.


Why do you keep ignoring that this isn't a vacuum of public policy choices. We don't get to just "save lives" (not that we're really even doing that), we just shut down most of the developed world's economy, and you're only comparing some relative risk you don't even understand.

Why is it so hard for you to be honest about the totality of what's going on? On what basis do you make your claim that this is some extraordinary flu? The fact is, it isn't. And the most important part again (read this 5 times for it to sink in) is that we shut down the whole economy for something we already know isn't that lethal, given that we live with similar lethality every year.

I didn't see you make threads about the horrible flu that killed 80k in 2017. I wonder why. Not a peep.

It’s not 100% protection but yes we do have protection from the flu. We have a vaccine, which is the most important protection. We also have immunity built up because the seasonal flu has been around for decades. We also have readily available meds to treat the seasonal flu. Yes, many still die from the flu, but the fact is we have done everything we can to protect people from the seasonal flu.

We have NO vaccine for this, no known immunities built up, no known available meds to treat it. About 1 out 7 people on average get the seasonal flu. The possibility of 5 or 6 out 7 would probably catch this if we just did nothing.

We don’t run out of PPE, ventilators, or hospital beds during any normal flu season. We don’t have 2 naval ships on each coast with 1,000 beds each during the normal flu season. And this is happening while people are staying inside around most of the country.

So, please STOP trying to compare this to the seasonal flu.

[Booya711]

All schools are closed, malls are closed, restaurants and bars are closed, no one works except from home and you are bragging that you beat the number of deaths?

it is a gambling site after all

[vitterd]

if no social distancing, ie, FAUCI'S "LET IT RIP", they predicted 2M americans would die., absolute worst case.... there are 330 M americans these days, so worst case is 2/330 = .61 percent of the population death rate...........

chalk it up to, as we called it in 2017, a particularly bad flu season.......

we didn't wreck shit then, and we shouldn't have now........

the KUNG FLU is a darwinian dream........ natural selection at its finest......

and, with all the old folks homes being wiped out, expect an influx of new money as degenerates finally get their grubby paws on their long-awaited inheritances.........

Your parents must be so ashamed. I can’t wait to beat the dumb out of your redneck ass.

[Wabashwonders]

I understand what it is, I am trained in this stuff, I talk about relative and absolute risk all the time. You're going to shut down the economy and affect everyone so that you can stave off a bad flu season? That seems nuts. You might as well save everyone from every disease ever by telling them never to come outside. That's the safest way.

I challenge your claim that COVID19 is 10x more lethal than the seasonal flu. Many countries (S. Korea, Iceland, Sweden etc), cruise ship example (Holland America and RC) show it to be very similar. Even if it were 0.4%, that's 4 in 10,000 ... we see that in many of the flu years from the past decade.

Why didn't we shut the whole thing down then??? You act like people walk outside and there is palpable fear. The overreaction is a joke. People who are ages 1-50 have almost no chance of dying from this, nearly everyone does something more dangerous every single day. Those that die from it are the same 40 year old that if in previous years someone said, "Yeah, it was sad, he died from the flu." You'd be like, "Huh? No one dies from the flu. That must be have been something else."

Precisely.

It’s not 10x more lethal but it IS 10x more contagious. That’s what you don’t seem to understand. And the seasonal flu death rate is .1%, not .4%. And that’s a HUGE difference

[mjsuax13]

Everybody is a fukking scientist on this site.

LOL. Welcome!

[mjsuax13]

and guess what? the 2017 COMMON FLU season resulted in 85,000 deaths......

now, birx and fauci's "model", recalibrated with data from what is actually happening, is now predicting only 81,766 total deaths from coronavirus in the US.....

feeling kinda stupid for buying into the hype, topgamedope and vitturd????

this has been a travesty from day one.... the second the goddam liberals/democrats/msm saw a chance to attack trump with it -- in light of everything else having failed -- they whipped up this horrible goddam terrifying watch the fuk out pandemic that is gonna wind up killin' about the same number of people that our 2017 COMMON FLU season killed..............

someone please refresh my recollection? did we crash the economy in 2017? why not, a particularly deadly flu season was upon us, thousands of americans dying, and trump was president.... OH, THAT'S RIGHT, WE STILL HAD the MUELLER REPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so, no need to raise hysteria then.... but now???? shit, watch cnn, you'd swear the f'n world was coming to an end....

i feel sorry for fools who get their news from that shithole, msnbc, abc or nbc.... (don't follow cbs at all, but in all likelihood they're in the same boat)....

bottom line, we just fukked ourselves due to media hysteria and bullshit about yet another asian flu bug, of the same type as sars and h1n1, which, because trump wasn't president, hardly made the f'n news.....


here's the latest update on the expected mortality after the model was "adjusted' to some actual data on the ground instead of mad liberal scientist "predictions".....

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/outrageous-top-experts-used-cdc-move-total-us-coronavirus-deaths-2-2-million-200000-81766-8-days/

and here's an early 2018 article for your fear mongers like that idiot who kept calling me out yesterday, topgamesomething or another, showing how -- in any other year -- this bullshit we've just cratered the world's economy would be simply considered a particularly bad flu season -- and we'd all move the fuk on............

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/26/healt...-bn/index.html

Donk- I think you should pick 100 guys from this forum who will willingly get coronovirus and let’s see what happens. Worth a shot? No? You might prove them all wrong or croak.

[vitterd]

Donk- I think you should pick 100 guys from this forum who will willingly get coronovirus and let’s see what happens. Worth a shot? No? You might prove them all wrong or croak.

Donk would last less than 24 hours before he’d be begging Cuomo for a ventilator and then he’d tap out quickly.

[hehfest]

I don't think Sweden did any social distancing. They aren't having any problems. I could be wrong. Not 100% on that.
Edit: no crowds of 50 or more as of 3 days ago.

[StackinGreen]

Look, this whole thing has become exhausting. I could give two shits about how this makes Trump look so his vanguard can screw off. I won't be voting for the man regardless, and I personally believe he lost any hope of reelection long before COVID. We will find out soon enough. I also understand the very real impact to the economy from this shut down, especially if we drag on beyond June 1st. Had we, as you said, "shut it all down" early on we may not be having this conversation today. Economic impact would have been minimal and we would have saved many lives. Sacrificing up to 2 million Americans is not a viable option to save the economy IMO. Greed got us here (not shutting down immediately) and greed will likely force us to open too early. I wish the reality were different but we are going to lose a lot of folks in a very short period of time because of indecision and inaction.

The realities on the ground in Sweden prove this assertion incorrect, among other things. We didn't need to do very much to the economy, we could have been just as safe as we are with bad flu years, including more specific precautions and telling at risk people to be particularly careful. The fact that the draconian measures were taken to "save" people who are mostly people kept alive by the current sophisticated medical care --- which is based on indebting future generations, while being unsympathetic to the common man who has to pay the full price --- and given that the latter are asked to sacrifice for one group who sacrifices nothing (who just takes or benefits without skin in the game), it is highly immoral.

[StackinGreen]

It’s not 10x more lethal but it IS 10x more contagious. That’s what you don’t seem to understand. And the seasonal flu death rate is .1%, not .4%. And that’s a HUGE difference

It can be very contagious, but only in certain circumstances. I dispute that coronavirus is 0.4% CFR, but even if it is, that's not a huge difference, if you are shutting the economy down (stop divorcing this key point from your analysis which makes the point meaningless). Many years already we have had a flu that was 0.4% CFR. So, where were you then? Not a peep. I wonder why.

[Thor4140]

Do we have protection from the flu? Why do so many people die from it then? I await your (non) answer --- math shows you that even with "protection from the flu" the flu still kills more people = COVID not that lethal.


Why do you keep ignoring that this isn't a vacuum of public policy choices. We don't get to just "save lives" (not that we're really even doing that), we just shut down most of the developed world's economy, and you're only comparing some relative risk you don't even understand.

Why is it so hard for you to be honest about the totality of what's going on? On what basis do you make your claim that this is some extraordinary flu? The fact is, it isn't. And the most important part again (read this 5 times for it to sink in) is that we shut down the whole economy for something we already know isn't that lethal, given that we live with similar lethality every year.

I didn't see you make threads about the horrible flu that killed 80k in 2017. I wonder why. Not a peep.

If we continued every day life and never shut down like this we would be wrecked unlike the flu. Nobody shuts down sports leagues and other events because of the flu because it doesn’t come close to this animal. You fukin idiots need to die off and leave the rest of us alone.

[JIBBBY]

If we continued every day life and never shut down like this we would be wrecked unlike the flu. Nobody shuts down sports leagues and other events because of the flu because it doesn’t come close to this animal. You fukin idiots need to die off and leave the rest of us alone.

More harsh and contagious then the normal flu obviously but not a world ending virus..

Right steps are being taken now, our medical heads need to step up and find a total cure drug or vac soon and this all ends over night. Cut thru the red tape..

[Thor4140]

All schools are closed, malls are closed, restaurants and bars are closed, no one works except from home and you are bragging that you beat the number of deaths?

Exactly Pavy. If these things were all open we would be getting wrecked

[Thor4140]

More harsh and contagious then the normal flu obviously but not a world ending virus..

Right steps are being taken now, our medical heads need to step up and find a total cure drug or vac soon and this all ends over night. Cut thru the red tape..

Sadly jibbers that is what it is going to take.

[shocka1212]

So is that in addition to regular flu? Or did it overtake the regular flu deaths?

[garyking]

hehfest...what do you consider no problems? Sweden had 376 new cases and 76 deaths yesterday. They are 91st in world population but 19th in covid cases...And are now considering bringing in stricter social distancing. People here will believe what they want to believe irregardless of the actual facts.

[BeatTheJerk]

This cowboy Donker always on his high horse with his dick hanging low. (Everyday thang)

[JonnySavage]

Claims to be a lawyer but really works at Men's Warehouse on commission.

I told everyone that auto doosh is the dumbest person on this site. This thread proves it. He is one ugly, low IQ, hillbilly.

[ronald]

hehfest...what do you consider no problems? Sweden had 376 new cases and 76 deaths yesterday. They are 91st in world population but 19th in covid cases...And are now considering bringing in stricter social distancing. People here will believe what they want to believe irregardless of the actual facts.

Number of cases doesn't matter. Only death rate matters. Flatten the curve, remember?

"Irregardless" isn't a word. Just say "regardless" and you'll appear slightly less uneducated.

No charge for the lesson.

[StackinGreen]

The thing is, you can deceive people with "death rate" for flu and for covid, especially when it's mostly 80 year olds dying. Yeah, sure they "died" from covid, not the 7 other diseases and cancer they had.

What you can't lie about is how many people died on this day, or any given day, compared to that very day previous years. Guess what that data shows?

Seasonal flus did more "wrecking".

Now go home with your ball and take another big bite of air with that nothing burger. The globalists will thank you again for your service.

[JoeCool20]

what would be the deaths without "social distancing"?


probably higher, so your point is invalid



what is valid is that those deaths will happen next time if it is seasonal


i dont give a fukk either way

There ain't but 2 true questions. #1 Did Rudy REALLY put a shot of his face on here like he is on Match dot com?

And #2 WHY? Please somebody tell me? I don't care. Is he gay? Is it a pic of some politician that he dislikes?

Nobody ever answered it last time I asked. Believe me, it's a different world now, and I don't care who is gay and

who ain't, but why would a dude put a picture of himself on a sports website full of other men? Any ideas?

[vitterd]

Claims to be a lawyer but really works at Men's Warehouse on commission.

Lol. No doubt. You wait till I find that redneck.....he can’t hide forever.

[Wabashwonders]

It can be very contagious, but only in certain circumstances. I dispute that coronavirus is 0.4% CFR, but even if it is, that's not a huge difference, if you are shutting the economy down (stop divorcing this key point from your analysis which makes the point meaningless). Many years already we have had a flu that was 0.4% CFR. So, where were you then? Not a peep. I wonder why.

I’ve been on this site a little over a month and you keep asking me why I didn’t post about something 3 years ago. That about sums it up about you. You’re a lost cause. I don’t have time for people like you that have no clue.