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Grant65SBR Rookie
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rkelly110BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 10-05-09
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#2312What u are doing is giving a bunch of Fox news bullshit talking points which makes u fukin ignorant and deceitful. Obama had 60 democrats for 4 fukin months and that is all and if u think bought and sold for pieces shit blue dog Southern democrats as being part of the majority, think again. Now im gonna show u what im talking about is right because u Fox news ignorant fuks,who are so stupid ya parrot everything that shit station say's, maybe i can research it for ya ya ,hillbilly fuk. By the way im paying over 40 cents more a gallon because of u jackasses since this carnival barker became the president elect. Can you ask this narcissist asshole if he will take credit for that?
No! Obama Did Not Control Congress His First Two Years!
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Can we, once and for all, put that lie to rest? People I actually like and respect heard this on Fox (to be precise, you probably heard it the last time on “Morning Joe” with Joe Scarborough in mid-April of this year) and keep repeating it. But I don’t care if you heard it in Sunday School (and in Kansas… you may have) – it’s a lie.
Before I accuse anybody of being unbelievably forgetful, I will admit that I can’t remember what I had for breakfast today. Being forgetful is not a crime. Lying is sometimes a crime, but when you lie on internet political blogs, that’s not a crime. However, it should tug at your conscience a bit.
Let’s take a trip back to 2008.
And let’s brush up on some basics. First, did you forget that the President needed 60 votes to pass legislation? The healthcare bill is a good example of that. There were NOT 60 Democrats in the Senate. Remember that? So there had to be reconciliation.
What about the Stimulus? Again, there was NOT 60 Democratic votes to pass it. Reconciliation did not work. It was blocked by the Republicans, and Obama traded job-creating for tax cuts. Remember those tax cuts he let go on? Yep, traded for job creation - which it did accomplish as much as the baby stimulus that he was able to get would allow.
Is it all coming back to you now? How about this: It was Obama’s inaugural dinner. Senator Kennedy suffered a seizure. It’s kind of hard to work when you’ve had a seizure. He went back to Massachusetts.
Old news is so much fun to go back and read about. Here’s one I had forgotten, too. Al Franken had not yet been seated because the previous senator had challenged the election. Mein Gott, that went on forever with no way for him to vote in the Senate.
With Kennedy in Massachusetts and Franken in purgatory, awaiting his chance in the hell that is Congress, that left just 58 votes in the Senate. Memory Refresher: It took 60 votes to pass a bill in the Senate. The Republicans were already playing dirty politics and would not work across the aisle with the Democrats.
By the way, that was 56 Democrats and 2 Democratically-minded Independents. Not 58 Democrats.
Then, in April 2009 – good news. Republican Arlen Spector switched to Democrat. That gave the Democrats 60 seats with which to discourage a Republican filibuster (their most prized procedure at the time). But… oh no… we forgot, Al Franken was still in Purgatory out there in election recount turmoil. So… back to 59 votes.
We can pause here to lovingly remember the filibuster I just mentioned. Republicans made history during that time by using it more than any time ever before. Reminder (because this can get confusing): It takes 60 votes to overcome a filibuster. The Democrats only had 59 at this point… technically. One of those votes was the very ill, Senator Kennedy. He did cast one vote during that time.
Then, Senator Byrd was admitted to the hospital.
Then Al Franken was sworn in but Byrd was still in the hospital and Kennedy was too sick to ever vote again.
Senator Byrd finally returned, but Kennedy did not.
It wasn’t until August- 2009 that Senator Kirk was appointed to Kennedy’s seat, and finally they had the 60 votes.
That filibuster-proof 60 votes lasted exactly 4 months – Not 2 years. Not 1 year. Not 6 months.
Just 4 months – from August 2009 to February 2010 - when Scott Brown was sworn in.
But here’s a fact that nobody can deny:
Republicans had the presidency, the House, and the Senate from 2001 – 2007.
For six years, Republicans had total and complete and undeniably absolute control over everything.
And how did that work out in the final analysis?
It doesn’t bear repeating. You know the answer to that as well as I do. Six years to screw up the whole country – nay, the entire damned world!
And you whine because Obama could not fix it all in four months?
Alright, I expect you to whine. But from this point on there is no excuse for lying. Not now that you know the truth.Comment -
The KrakenBARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 12-25-11
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#2314Progressives are winning this tread 2314-0Comment -
DwightShruteSBR Aristocracy
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chico2663BARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#2317The highest federal aid recipients are: Mississippi (45.3%), Louisiana (44%), Tennessee (41%), South Dakota (40.8%), Missouri (39.4%), Montana (39%), and Georgia (37.9%).
As you may have noticed, almost all of these are “red” states controlled by the Republican Party (Missouri is an exception).
What gives? We have a couple of factors to look at here to get a clearer picture of what's going on. First, let's look at income tax levels by state - also from Tax Foundation 2012:
Two states are interesting in particular: North Dakota, and South Dakota. While N. Dakota only receives 20.5% of its revenue from federal aid, S. Dakota receives 40.8%.
How can that be? They appear very similar legislatively—both mostly Republican—they have very similar poverty rates, as noted by The Bismarck Tribune.
So, what is the reason behind the extraordinary difference in federal aid? The difference may lie in income taxes.
N. Dakota has an income tax while S. Dakota does not. According to The Argus Leader, in an article from May 2014:“North Dakota ranks 49th with just 21 percent of its general revenue funds coming from federal dollars. That state benefits from oil revenues...It has an income tax. And the amount of state general fund dollars it spends each year is twice as much or more than South Dakota spends.”Jason Dilgess, Gov. Daugaard's budget chief explains it rather frankly:
“The policy makers in our state have decided we want to keep taxes lower for our citizens...As a result, we try to get as much federal participation as we can.”Variance in state tax revenue may make up a large portion of the seemingly odd differences in such similar states.
The next thing to look at is state budget levels. If the federal government sends out about the same amount of aid to each state per capita, then it will make up a bigger percentage of the state budgets that are lower.
Let's look at the top 20 states in total government spending per capita, which will tell us more precisely what's going on in each state (FY2013):
Using the 2012 political map (prior to the fiscal year 2013), only 6 out of 20 states were “red states”: Wyoming, North Dakota, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Mississippi and Minnesota.1. Alaska $16,103 2. Wyoming $15,673 3. West Virginia $12,037 4. Delaware $9,897 5. Massachusetts $8,597 6. Hawaii $8,250 7. Vermont $7,923 8. North Dakota $7,896 9. Connecticut $7,745 10. Rhode Island $7,481 11. Wisconsin $7,448 12. Arkansas $7,246 13. New Mexico $7,047 14. New York $6,773 15. Pennsylvania $6,684 16. Oregon $6,566 17. Iowa $6,320 18. Mississippi $6,189 19. Maryland $6,115 20. Minnesota $6,102
Of the top 10 spenders per capita, 7 were blue states: West Virginia, Delaware, Massachusetts, Hawaii, Vermont, Connecticut and Rhode Island. Alaska was split legislatively, leaving 2 red states in the top 10: Wyoming and North Dakota.
Next, looking at states by their budget solvency gives us an even clearer picture of what's going on, and if a state is spending beyond its means:
The Top 5 states were red or split states: Alaska, North Dakota, Wyoming, Wisconsin, and Utah.
And the bottom 6 states were: New Jersey, Maryland, West Virginia, Hawaii, Illinois and California - all solidly blue states.
In addition, the southern red states in the initial map of federal aid recipients are much more likely to have higher poverty rates. The impoverished, those who are more likely to need federal aid in a state, tend to vote Democratic according to Pew Research:When it comes to choosing a party’s candidate in the voting booth, one pattern in modern American politics is so familiar it has become a truism: the rich vote Republican, the poor vote Democratic. And while the reality of the situation is much more nuanced, in broad strokes it has been the case that Republicans have consistently garnered disproportionate levels of support from the financially well-off, while the least financially secure Americans have been significantly more likely to back Democrats.In other words, due in part to low voter turnout among the impoverished, it may not be that the majority of constituents who vote to turn a state “red” are the ones causing a state to have a higher level of federal aid in its state budget. Another way of putting this is that the majority of poor people who are reliant upon federal aid to make ends meet may not be voting majority Republican in a given state.
The point is: Don't simply judge a state by its cover. There are numerous complexities that underlie statistics, and these complexities must be explored in order to make informed opinions.
Editor's note: This article was updated after publi
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The KrakenBARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 12-25-11
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#2318Great info, Chico... Unfortunately it will be met with memes, cartoons and Brooks beating himself up for disappointing his fatherComment -
brooks85SBR Aristocracy
- 01-05-09
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#2320The highest federal aid recipients are: Mississippi (45.3%), Louisiana (44%), Tennessee (41%), South Dakota (40.8%), Missouri (39.4%), Montana (39%), and Georgia (37.9%).
As you may have noticed, almost all of these are “red” states controlled by the Republican Party (Missouri is an exception).
What gives? We have a couple of factors to look at here to get a clearer picture of what's going on. First, let's look at income tax levels by state - also from Tax Foundation 2012:
Two states are interesting in particular: North Dakota, and South Dakota. While N. Dakota only receives 20.5% of its revenue from federal aid, S. Dakota receives 40.8%.
How can that be? They appear very similar legislatively—both mostly Republican—they have very similar poverty rates, as noted by The Bismarck Tribune.
So, what is the reason behind the extraordinary difference in federal aid? The difference may lie in income taxes.
N. Dakota has an income tax while S. Dakota does not. According to The Argus Leader, in an article from May 2014:“North Dakota ranks 49th with just 21 percent of its general revenue funds coming from federal dollars. That state benefits from oil revenues...It has an income tax. And the amount of state general fund dollars it spends each year is twice as much or more than South Dakota spends.”Jason Dilgess, Gov. Daugaard's budget chief explains it rather frankly:
“The policy makers in our state have decided we want to keep taxes lower for our citizens...As a result, we try to get as much federal participation as we can.”Variance in state tax revenue may make up a large portion of the seemingly odd differences in such similar states.
The next thing to look at is state budget levels. If the federal government sends out about the same amount of aid to each state per capita, then it will make up a bigger percentage of the state budgets that are lower.
Let's look at the top 20 states in total government spending per capita, which will tell us more precisely what's going on in each state (FY2013):
Using the 2012 political map (prior to the fiscal year 2013), only 6 out of 20 states were “red states”: Wyoming, North Dakota, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Mississippi and Minnesota.1. Alaska $16,103 2. Wyoming $15,673 3. West Virginia $12,037 4. Delaware $9,897 5. Massachusetts $8,597 6. Hawaii $8,250 7. Vermont $7,923 8. North Dakota $7,896 9. Connecticut $7,745 10. Rhode Island $7,481 11. Wisconsin $7,448 12. Arkansas $7,246 13. New Mexico $7,047 14. New York $6,773 15. Pennsylvania $6,684 16. Oregon $6,566 17. Iowa $6,320 18. Mississippi $6,189 19. Maryland $6,115 20. Minnesota $6,102
Of the top 10 spenders per capita, 7 were blue states: West Virginia, Delaware, Massachusetts, Hawaii, Vermont, Connecticut and Rhode Island. Alaska was split legislatively, leaving 2 red states in the top 10: Wyoming and North Dakota.
Next, looking at states by their budget solvency gives us an even clearer picture of what's going on, and if a state is spending beyond its means:
The Top 5 states were red or split states: Alaska, North Dakota, Wyoming, Wisconsin, and Utah.
And the bottom 6 states were: New Jersey, Maryland, West Virginia, Hawaii, Illinois and California - all solidly blue states.
In addition, the southern red states in the initial map of federal aid recipients are much more likely to have higher poverty rates. The impoverished, those who are more likely to need federal aid in a state, tend to vote Democratic according to Pew Research:When it comes to choosing a party’s candidate in the voting booth, one pattern in modern American politics is so familiar it has become a truism: the rich vote Republican, the poor vote Democratic. And while the reality of the situation is much more nuanced, in broad strokes it has been the case that Republicans have consistently garnered disproportionate levels of support from the financially well-off, while the least financially secure Americans have been significantly more likely to back Democrats.In other words, due in part to low voter turnout among the impoverished, it may not be that the majority of constituents who vote to turn a state “red” are the ones causing a state to have a higher level of federal aid in its state budget. Another way of putting this is that the majority of poor people who are reliant upon federal aid to make ends meet may not be voting majority Republican in a given state.
The point is: Don't simply judge a state by its cover. There are numerous complexities that underlie statistics, and these complexities must be explored in order to make informed opinions.
Editor's note: This article was updated after publi
lol chico still doesn't understand how to read race demographics and who is using welfare at a significantly higher rate.Comment -
DwightShruteSBR Aristocracy
- 01-17-09
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brooks85SBR Aristocracy
- 01-05-09
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#2322I just won't stand for a religion that idolizes a pedophile and treats people like scum. It's 2016 now and the other major religions have their shit together except Islam and it will be the same story 1000 years from now. The leaders do not want peace, they want war and refugees to spread their virus called Islam.Comment -
jt315SBR Posting Legend
- 11-12-11
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#2323Happy swear in day Repubs.
Last step of extermination 1/20.Comment -
DwightShruteSBR Aristocracy
- 01-17-09
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itchypickleSBR Posting Legend
- 11-05-09
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#2329Obama just can't take watching the new Congress being sworn in today and seeing things getting rolling to put Trump in office....he had a tantrum and had his staff call Russia and tell Putin he wants to talk "man to man"!! Putin called back a few minutes later and said fine Barack....put Michelle on the line.Comment -
jt315SBR Posting Legend
- 11-12-11
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#2330Obama just can't take watching the new Congress being sworn in today and seeing things getting rolling to put Trump in office....he had a tantrum and had his staff call Russia and tell Putin he wants to talk "man to man"!! Putin called back a few minutes later and said fine Barack....put Michelle on the line.Comment -
chico2663BARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#2331Brooks never let the facts get in the way of your ideas!Comment -
brooks85SBR Aristocracy
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#2332^yes, like the fact you can't do basic math or read race demographics correctly.Comment -
brooks85SBR Aristocracy
- 01-05-09
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#2334^ no, I'm not dating khicks lol
nice work on insulting him tho. I've used that SJW on him many times and it is a perfect representation of Alice.Comment -
chico2663BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 09-02-10
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#2335Dude that is a columbus girl. She graduated from ohio state. Well at least we know your into girlsComment -
brooks85SBR Aristocracy
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RoyBaconBARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 09-21-05
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#2337Obama couldn't get anything done because he was 1 vote short of breaking a Senate filibuster?? hahahaha!! Gawd that is funny.
Maybe he should of bought 'Art of the Deal'?
Obama could have offered corporate tax relive in exchange for ending the filibuster he could of offered a million things. But, the POTUS that played more golf in a century, did not believe in negotiating. So his legacy is one of excuses and losing just like the most recent election loss.Comment -
itchypickleSBR Posting Legend
- 11-05-09
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#2338I imagine quite a few. But that's what happens when you force things and buy off votes and bypass congress to act like a solo king. These things get replaced.Comment -
itchypickleSBR Posting Legend
- 11-05-09
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#2339Ford announced this morning they will scrap plans for the Mexico plant and instead...due to Trump policy hopes...invest in expanding a Michigan plant to build those model vehicles!
Trump just fed the families of workers that will build the structures....install the equipment and then assemble the vehicles and the truckers who haul them to destination!!!
Trump coming through for the people!!Comment -
DwightShruteSBR Aristocracy
- 01-17-09
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#2340Ford announced this morning they will scrap plans for the Mexico plant and instead...due to Trump policy hopes...invest in expanding a Michigan plant to build those model vehicles!
Trump just fed the families of workers that will build the structures....install the equipment and then assemble the vehicles and the truckers who haul them to destination!!!
Trump coming through for the people!!Comment -
MoMoneyMoVaughnSBR Posting Legend
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#2341Ford announced this morning they will scrap plans for the Mexico plant and instead...due to Trump policy hopes...invest in expanding a Michigan plant to build those model vehicles!
Trump just fed the families of workers that will build the structures....install the equipment and then assemble the vehicles and the truckers who haul them to destination!!!
Trump coming through for the people!!
Side mirrors will be falling off as soon as you drive it off the lot.Comment -
chico2663BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 09-02-10
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#2342[QUOTE][/QUOTE
Fix
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Repair
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FORDComment -
rkelly110BARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#2343Obama couldn't get anything done because he was 1 vote short of breaking a Senate filibuster?? hahahaha!! Gawd that is funny.
Maybe he should of bought 'Art of the Deal'?
Obama could have offered corporate tax relive in exchange for ending the filibuster he could of offered a million things. But, the POTUS that played more golf in a century, did not believe in negotiating. So his legacy is one of excuses and losing just like the most recent election loss.Yet your boys for 8 years, even with total control for 2 couldn't do anything against one black man. Sorry Bunch.
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brooks85SBR Aristocracy
- 01-05-09
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#2344except ensure obama wasn't going to do anymore damage to this country. Of course, they didn't anticipate him historically abusing executive orders and behaving like a tyrant. lol you're like a whipping dog rkelly, you always come back for more and love it.Comment -
jt315SBR Posting Legend
- 11-12-11
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#2345
He never saw a Trump victory coming.
Hit him like a Mac Truck.
Jan 20........Comment
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