No planes on 9-11-01

[Snowball]

Here is another guy you should listen to. He worked for the NSA & developed a system of surveillance that would weed out terrorist & not fuk with the public's privacy. The powers that be rejected his plan in favor of mass surveillance.

No, because you said that Bush/Cheney conducted the attack or had foreknowledge and did not stop it,
and that Osama Bin Laden was the attack mastermind and the 19 Arabs flew the planes. If he is saying
any of these things, he's disinfo.

[khicks26]

The stuff you posted is much more plausible than a lot of the BS I've been reading in this thread.

It kind of goes with a theory I posted earlier.

Right, sometimes I think all this crazy shit comes out so nobody finds out the truth.

[khicks26]

No, because you said that Bush/Cheney conducted the attack or had foreknowledge and did not stop it,
and that Osama Bin Laden was the attack mastermind and the 19 Arabs flew the planes. If he is saying
any of these things, he's disinfo.

If that's your opinion fine. But that's what the man said, & he would know more about it than the guy with the slug hammer. He likens our government to the East German Stasi State. Which he studied for years as a government official.

I don't know how you can say that without watching the video, but to each his own. Go with the guy & his slug hammer.

[Auto Donk]

i listened to several interviews given by Tom Drake, and he repeatedly has stated he did not think this was a US govt. conspiracy.

to the contrary, he thinks the US intelligence community, particularly the NSA, failed to process relevant intelligence that NSA had in its possession that would have, in his words, "brought the entire Al Queda terrorist network down." It is clear he thinks Al Queda was indeed the perpetrator of the events of 9-11, and he clearly has seen the intelligence that should have been analyzed and acted upon, but wasn't.

He faults NSA for not having used the cheaper software developed in house that would have alerted NSA that this shit was coming down the pipeline, and faults NSA for "hoarding" the info instead of sharing it with the cia/fbi.....

He does NOT think 9-11 was an inside job, and has seen the communications that prove it wasn't

his biggest beef with the US gov't is that, post 9-11, the gov't is running roughshod over US citizens' 4th amendment rights

here's a link to an interesting 2 hr interview (yes, i was intrigued enough to listen to the whole thing) wherein he states it wasn't an inside job, but rather an intelligence failure

[khicks26]

I'll give it a listen. But in the Real News interview he talks about a backdoor of intelligence that goes right to Cheney. How Cheney wanted to restore the the imperial powers of the president. Because Cheney feels that Nixon got a raw deal back in the day. He also talks about a dark government that is subverting the constitution.

The guy is real careful about what he says. Almost like he is talking in code at times.

As for the cheaper software, I think your talking about Thin Thread. Which was developed by Bill Binney, the guy in the other interview I posted. He is the original whistleblower. The FBI came to his house with guns drawn, & dragged him out of the shower & took him in custody.

[Auto Donk]

yes, thin thread, as opposed to the 1.1billion "trailblazer"

[TheMoneyShot]

That hotel fire in Dubai was pretty bad... but reports say the building is still standing and never collapsed.

Hmmmmm interesting.

And a fire on one floor caused the Twin Towers to collapse? Uh huh. Sure.

[jayfly]

That hotel fire in Dubai was pretty bad... but reports say the building is still standing and never collapsed.

Hmmmmm interesting.

And a fire on one floor caused the Twin Towers to collapse? Uh huh. Sure.

A plane hit that hotel?

[pronk]

Money, that structure looks like was reinforced by a chicken coop wire made in China. That's why it didn't collapse.

[Eddy Munny]

A plane hit that hotel?

Does it matter? The plane impact at the Twin Towers affected a few floors out of 110, yet the whole thing crumbles to dust.

Then, of course, there's building 7, which was not hit by a plane, suffered only a few fires that paled in comparison to this building in Dubai, and, once again, just drops straight down with uncanny precision.

[pronk]

A plane hit that hotel?

Nope, UFO did.

[BigDofBA]

That hotel fire in Dubai was pretty bad... but reports say the building is still standing and never collapsed.

Hmmmmm interesting.

And a fire on one floor caused the Twin Towers to collapse? Uh huh. Sure.

Why do you believe that???? Because the media told you?????? LMAO....people are so blind.

This was obviously graphically rendered.

Oh and if you really want a fair comparison, you need to fly a boeing 757 into the building at 500 mph full of enough jet fuel to fly across the continent. After that has been done, let me know the results.

People need to quit saying, "Well this building caught on fire and didn't collapse....why not...drrr drrr". You're comparing apples and oranges.

My wife has caught shit on fire in the kitchen before but doesn't prove 911 was an inside job because my house didn't collapse.....

[TheMoneyShot]

Why do you believe that???? Because the media told you?????? LMAO....people are so blind.

This was obviously graphically rendered.

Oh and if you really want a fair comparison, you need to fly a boeing 757 into the building at 500 mph full of enough jet fuel to fly across the continent. After that has been done, let me know the results.

People need to quit saying, "Well this building caught on fire and didn't collapse....why not...drrr drrr". You're comparing apples and oranges.

My wife has caught shit on fire in the kitchen before but doesn't prove 911 was an inside job because my house didn't collapse.....

And the media told you an airplane hit building #2 right?

You guys must be all rocket scientists? You have a plane supposedly hit the twin towers... and caused a massive amount of jet fuel to melt steel beams... causing the tower to collapse right?

The ENTIRE Dubai HOTEL was engulfed in FLAMES top to bottom. The structure is still standing.

The Twin Towers... no fire seen except from spot where "object" hit the structure.... and minutes later comes down.

Story doesn't add up.


I wish when the CIA and govt orchestrated this disaster.... I'd believe the building collapsing almost immediately when the plane hitting the towers... rather than waiting 20 minutes later. Story is so full of sh#$.

[BigDofBA]

And the media told you an airplane hit building #2 right?

I was just being sarcastic...

As for knowing planes hit the building, my friend that lives in Manhattan on 14th street told me he saw the second plane hit. He was watching out of his apartment when the second plane hit because he was looking at the first tower that was on fire. What I saw on TV, with millions of other people, corroborated what he told me.

I was also at a conference for my work and spoke to an instructor that used to work in the World Trade Center. She was in the first building when it was hit and told me that she felt the entire building sway and thought it was going to tip over. It was a very awkward conversation and I did not feel comfortable really digging into too many details because you could tell that is something people have burned in their minds. i didn't want to bring anything up and have things get emotional so I stopped asking.

Maybe my friend is part of the cover up and the instructor I talked too is paid by the government to travel the country for Accounting and Finance conferences......just to fake people out.

[TheMoneyShot]

I was just being sarcastic...

As for knowing planes hit the building, my friend that lives in Manhattan on 14th street told me he saw the second plane hit. He was watching out of his apartment when the second plane hit because he was looking at the first tower that was on fire. What I saw on TV, with millions of other people, corroborated what he told me.

I was also at a conference for my work and spoke to an instructor that used to work in the World Trade Center. She was in the first building when it was hit and told me that she felt the entire building sway and thought it was going to tip over. It was a very awkward conversation and I did not feel comfortable really digging into too many details because you could tell that is something people have burned in their minds. i didn't want to bring anything up and have things get emotional so I stopped asking.

Maybe my friend is part of the cover up and the instructor I talked too is paid by the government to travel the country for Accounting and Finance conferences......just to fake people out.

Tell your friend I'm going to give him a call on his cell. What's his number?

After seeing that "object" hit the 2nd building. No way that's a plane. Lucky that independent news chopper was in the air filming that event. Oddly enough... not one single national news station was on the "other side" of the twin towers. Why? Fox News, MSNBC, CNN, why weren't the cameras placed on the other side? They never anticipated that other news station in the air while filming this. No way that's a plane coming down from that degree and distance.

With all the cameras in the sky.... cameras everywhere... why not show the other angle??? If they showed the other angle... you could easily tell it wasn't a plane. Just a BS cover up.

[rkelly110]

Tell your friend I'm going to give him a call on his cell. What's his number?

After seeing that "object" hit the 2nd building. No way that's a plane. Lucky that independent news chopper was in the air filming that event. Oddly enough... not one single national news station was on the "other side" of the twin towers. Why? Fox News, MSNBC, CNN, why weren't the cameras placed on the other side? They never anticipated that other news station in the air while filming this. No way that's a plane coming down from that degree and distance.

With all the cameras in the sky.... cameras everywhere... why not show the other angle??? If they showed the other angle... you could easily tell it wasn't a plane. Just a BS cover up.

It's a little late now, but on sept 11 some news stations show from start to finish actual footage from that day.
I rewatched some of it last year to the point it made me sick. It was on MSNBC I believe.

The planes hit the corner of the buildings tilting the aircraft to take out as many floors as possible. A 757 has
a wingspan of probably 15-20 floors. Going in tilted took out at least 10 floors on the corner weakens the structure
immensely. Then you have a full load of jet fuel with high winds at that height increasing the heat. Then you have
the weight from above. You know the result.

From an engineering stand point, that's how you do it.

[BigDofBA]

Tell your friend I'm going to give him a call on his cell. What's his number?

After seeing that "object" hit the 2nd building. No way that's a plane. Lucky that independent news chopper was in the air filming that event. Oddly enough... not one single national news station was on the "other side" of the twin towers. Why? Fox News, MSNBC, CNN, why weren't the cameras placed on the other side? They never anticipated that other news station in the air while filming this. No way that's a plane coming down from that degree and distance.

With all the cameras in the sky.... cameras everywhere... why not show the other angle??? If they showed the other angle... you could easily tell it wasn't a plane. Just a BS cover up.

Even some of the conspiracy theorist agree it was a plane.

Apparently you think I'm full of shit with my references. That's fine. Take me out of it.....So I guess the thousands of people on the ground in New York that saw planes hit are in on it too?

Reading some of these posts is almost surreal. I really have a hard time fathoming that people are this stupid...as in, I really hope these people that are just trolling. You don't even have to be educated or be half way smart to believe a plane hit the building.

So let me get this straight...The government orchestrated a huge cover up depicting planes hitting the two largest buildings in one of the largest cities in the world....and it was all faked? The buildings just magically blew holes out the side in the shape of a plane?

1.6 million people live in the Manhattan borough alone, not to mention all of the tourists and people that travel to work there on a daily basis. Was the government just hoping none of these people would be outside that day?

It must just be a coincidence that the government was smart enough to pull all of this off and forget these minor details.

[pronk]

[TheMoneyShot]

It's a little late now, but on sept 11 some news stations show from start to finish actual footage from that day.
I rewatched some of it last year to the point it made me sick. It was on MSNBC I believe.

The planes hit the corner of the buildings tilting the aircraft to take out as many floors as possible. A 757 has
a wingspan of probably 15-20 floors. Going in tilted took out at least 10 floors on the corner weakens the structure
immensely. Then you have a full load of jet fuel with high winds at that height increasing the heat. Then you have
the weight from above. You know the result.

From an engineering stand point, that's how you do it.

Ok... let's take your theory into consideration. Aircraft hits Building #2. Takes out side of Twin Tower. Why did the building collapse straight down? Why didn't the building break apart? Like, crumble at a certain area... and topple over? Topple over... and hit another building? From video footage... it shows the building free falling... North to South.

If the corner of the building was effected... it should collapse with pressure on the side. Causing it to tilt. Not a major FULL TILT... but a Tilt. The building came down remarkably too perfect. Not only too perfectly... but why all the floors? How about just the area effected and 30 floors? Or 50 floors? Why the entire building?

Both buildings came down identical. How is this even possible?

Which leads me to believe some sort of demolition explosives were used.

Regardless of what was being played back on TV... there are holes everywhere in this story. All I'm saying is... I'm not debating people weren't killed. Innocent people died. There's no way this was 100% terrorism.

[jayfly]

Ok... let's take your theory into consideration. Aircraft hits Building #2. Takes out side of Twin Tower. Why did the building collapse straight down? Why didn't the building break apart? Like, crumble at a certain area... and topple over? Topple over... and hit another building? From video footage... it shows the building free falling... North to South.

If the corner of the building was effected... it should collapse with pressure on the side. Causing it to tilt. Not a major FULL TILT... but a Tilt. The building came down remarkably too perfect. Not only too perfectly... but why all the floors? How about just the area effected and 30 floors? Or 50 floors? Why the entire building?

Both buildings came down identical. How is this even possible?

Which leads me to believe some sort of demolition explosives were used.

Regardless of what was being played back on TV... there are holes everywhere in this story. All I'm saying is... I'm not debating people weren't killed. Innocent people died. There's no way this was 100% terrorism.

LOL dude stick to posting phony stories about your hoes. conspiracy theorists think they were holograms and not real women. your pictures were clearly photo shopped.

[brainfreeze]

Ok... let's take your theory into consideration. Aircraft hits Building #2. Takes out side of Twin Tower. Why did the building collapse straight down? Why didn't the building break apart? Like, crumble at a certain area... and topple over? Topple over... and hit another building? From video footage... it shows the building free falling... North to South.

If the corner of the building was effected... it should collapse with pressure on the side. Causing it to tilt. Not a major FULL TILT... but a Tilt. The building came down remarkably too perfect. Not only too perfectly... but why all the floors? How about just the area effected and 30 floors? Or 50 floors? Why the entire building?

Both buildings came down identical. How is this even possible?

Which leads me to believe some sort of demolition explosives were used.

Regardless of what was being played back on TV... there are holes everywhere in this story. All I'm saying is... I'm not debating people weren't killed. Innocent people died. There's no way this was 100% terrorism.

Logic...

[brainfreeze]

Would love to see a mini scale of WTC construction, and mini size model of plane adding jet fuel and all to the test, and come out with the same results as what happened on 9/11 .. It could either shut us " conspiracy " folks up or back us up for further investigation, there's no statue of limitations for something like this.

[Eddy Munny]

Would love to see a mini scale of WTC construction, and mini size model of plane adding jet fuel and all to the test, and come out with the same results as what happened on 9/11 .. It could either shut us " conspiracy " folks up or back us up for further investigation, there's no statue of limitations for something like this.

But then you'd have these "official story" theorists making excuses about it being a mini-model or some other avenue of plausible deniability. If you built everything to scale, and recreated the whole event as closely as one possibly could, the actual results of such an experiment in contrast with what happened on 9/11 would be so far apart, it'd be mindblowing. Official story theorists would question how they could have ever believed in such a scam, but, when left to speculation, cognitive dissonance, in conjunction with mainstream brainwashing, takes hold and they're willing to accept such preposterous notions.

A commercial airliner would shatter upon impact. They are giant aluminum crafts, engineered for aerodynamics... they are not wrecking balls. How they hell would lightweight aluminum wings cut through steel beams and concrete like a knife through butter? Shit is laughable.

[pronk]

This russian nuclear weapons specialist explains how buildings 1, 2 & 7 were demolished . He also talks about russian ballistic missile "granite" launched into Pentagon from submarine 220 miles off the east coast.

[dante1]

no research will be sufficient, no fact finders will be sufficient, no political hearings will be sufficient. Jesus Christ himself could come down from the clouds and say hey listen guys...there was no conspiracy, this was all terrorism. And that would not be enough. Nothing is enough for people that want to believe crazy shit.

[Eddy Munny]

no research will be sufficient, no fact finders will be sufficient, no political hearings will be sufficient. Jesus Christ himself could come down from the clouds and say hey listen guys...there was no conspiracy, this was all terrorism. And that would not be enough. Nothing is enough for people that want to believe crazy shit.

Why would Jesus Christ lie like that? That doesn't sound like him.

It was terrorism, though... just not perpetrated by a marauding band of box-cutter villains. That's where we differ.

[sourtwist]

Easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fooled.

[brainfreeze]

no research will be sufficient, no fact finders will be sufficient, no political hearings will be sufficient. Jesus Christ himself could come down from the clouds and say hey listen guys...there was no conspiracy, this was all terrorism. And that would not be enough. Nothing is enough for people that want to believe crazy shit.

This is what we are saying as well, minus the politics. People want the hardcore facts from ALL avenues of record. People should be heard not shut out if it doesn't fit with the official narrative. Americans died and Americans are concerned! Don't give us crap about what's sufficient, when A LOT of people see something wrong here. There is so much wrong, from the put-options in the market, building 7 falling in its foot print at free fall, including 1 & 2. The " test scenario " that was being ran at the SAME TIME, jets not intercepting before "plane or whatever " hitting pentagon, destroying all evidence, EXPLOSIVE chemicals found at the site of WTC. Witnesses in the buildings saying bombs and explosions going off, firemen saying it looked like a foundry, still on fire weeks after 9/11.

1 man .. Bill Cooper with no billion dollar black budget or team tells you what's going to happen & who they will blame months before the attack & then there's the president and everyone else saying " we had no idea that could be done, who could imagine iflying airliners in to those buildings ".... Whole things a sham, a farce, a fable, a lie tied in with bits of extremism and truths here and there, the official story is laughable. If you can deny all this and believe those fables set fourth without a question, there's nothing to discuss... Instead of calling people like us truthers, we should call ones like you deniers because you guys deny facts from experts and witnesses. We've brought facts to the table not paper fighting political "commission report" crap.

So don't put Gods name into something you don't understand, or purposefully want to overlook.

[rkelly110]

OK......so what if this was an orchestrated govt attack so we could go to war with the middle east.

What could/ can we do about it?

Obama doesn't want to participate in the middle east on the ground with our boys. Do you guys agree with that
or should we go in with our boys and take out ISIS ourselves?

If you think we should be the world police, you bought into the govt conspiracy. The govt won, they did their job
to control you.

[sourtwist]

OK......so what if this was an orchestrated govt attack so we could go to war with the middle east.

What could/ can we do about it?

Obama doesn't want to participate in the middle east on the ground with our boys. Do you guys agree with that
or should we go in with our boys and take out ISIS ourselves?

If you think we should be the world police, you bought into the govt conspiracy. The govt won, they did their job
to control you.

It was

Nothing other than help others become aware instead of the choice to deny and deflect

Our own reps, along with Israel created isis. Isis will go on unless someone else takes them out, but we will only find the name of a new terrorist group formed by the hidden leaders who created them. These phony wars will never end until mission is complete of destabilizing all middle eastern nations and bringing the defiant ones under their control.

People of the United States have been given a bad name... Partially due to the fact most haven't woken up to the truth about our government and it's history. People want to believe they are a part of something great, not something everyone has grown to hate. You would think that America, like the middle east, would be the part of the world with the most sand, because just about all of you and everyone else has their heads buried in it. We have no business being the world police, and as Israel has shown us, we don't. Since Israel controls America, they use our name to fight their battles.

[Fidel_CashFlow]

great thread overall , but wish they thread title could be modified lol

[sourtwist]

Agreed fidel

[MoeSedway]

Sour, how many times have you read 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion'? Is it your favorite book?

[sourtwist]

Can't read it. I don't know how to read.

[rkelly110]

It was

Nothing other than help others become aware instead of the choice to deny and deflect

Our own reps, along with Israel created isis. Isis will go on unless someone else takes them out, but we will only find the name of a new terrorist group formed by the hidden leaders who created them. These phony wars will never end until mission is complete of destabilizing all middle eastern nations and bringing the defiant ones under their control.

People of the United States have been given a bad name... Partially due to the fact most haven't woken up to the truth about our government and it's history. People want to believe they are a part of something great, not something everyone has grown to hate. You would think that America, like the middle east, would be the part of the world with the most sand, because just about all of you and everyone else has their heads buried in it. We have no business being the world police, and as Israel has shown us, we don't. Since Israel controls America, they use our name to fight their battles.

I understand what you're saying. We have played a major role in the unstability of the middle east. Asking leaders
to step down, to instil our democratic system and civil rights. We are like a woman trying to change a slob of a man,
it ain't gonna happen. It's best to leave it alone.

We pay those countries big bucks that we slave for. If they are receiving our hard earned money, the US should tell
them how to run their govt or should we? I don't like giving our money to countries that hate us. I'm sure you guys
don't either.

In order to change what's going on is to vote and air your grievances to your Representative. Protest if it gets that bad.

Some of you don't like that, but it's better to do something, than nothing.