No planes on 9-11-01

[BigDofBA]

Here is a link to a partial list of the passengers that died in the attack:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/11/victims-list.htm

To say planes didn't hit the tower is pretty much spitting on their graves and I hope the people that spread those rumors rot in hell.

When you guys come back and give the same weak excuses like "You believe that list? It was faked!" just remember you're adding another news outlet in on the cover up as well as about 1000 family members. Do you guys also think all these relatives are fake too?

It's really disgraceful. If you want to play an angle about who benefited from it and if our government had prior knowledge yet kept their head in the sand, I could at least consider those with an open mind but this shit I'm watching AGAIN is complete and utter non-sense coming out the mouths of complete low life scum that have no respect for the people that died.

[BigDofBA]

Bigd, your reasoning is the reason that they get away with these things. It's irrational to for you to honestly watch any of the posted videos or documents that have been posted in here and to still think that the story you were told is the truth. It's like beating a dead horse. It's like trying to teach a person with no legs to walk...its useless to continue, but frustrating to see your dismissal of the only possible proof of anything that happened that day.

Think about that for a minute. Other than what the world was told that day on 9/11, by the people who bring us the news, what evidence is there that supports the ideas that you are representing? There's much more evidence and proof that contradicts every single idea that we were expected to believe from the events that occurred that day.

I know you're a smart guy but I could say the same thing about the 911 truth movement's theories. I think there is way more evidence to suggest it wasn't an inside job. I think there is way more evidence to refute theories made by 911 truthers.

Do I think the government tells us the truth all of the time? Hell no.

Do I think the media tells us the truth all of the time? Hell no.

With that said, that doesn't justify or provide evidence of a 911 being an inside job. Now if people want to say that there was prior knowledge that an attack was imminent and our government did nothing to stop it, I would entertain those ideas and at least listen.

With that said, when people try to tell me that no planes were used and bombs brought down the building, I feel like I'm talking to an uneducated crowd.

Documentaries and conspiracy theories are heavily slanted to favor a certain agenda. They're definitely not 100% factual. You should trust these people on Youtube as much as you trust the government.

I could go on Youtube and say "Look, you can see a bomb coming out here!" and "It's impossible for a plane to do that to a building"....why in the hell would anyone believe me? What credentials do I have to make those assertions. People really need to educate their selves and not become followers of a movement.

Just like you probably think I am sheep that is controlled and brainwashed by the government, I think people that believe in some of this 911 stuff are the same.

[Ebe]

I think there is way more evidence to suggest it wasn't an inside job.

[Ebe]

No dude.

Just no.

[sourtwist]

I've seen no less than 3 youtube vids in here dedicated to the idea that no planes were involved, CGI only

I'm still confused how a real passport made it's way onto a holgraphic plane. They really did think of everything

Kraken, who found that passport? Kind of convenient, no?

Let's try to make sense of how a passport could have been found amidst 100 plus stories of steel and metal that supposedly imploded due to heat from the jet fuel on the airliners....how in the world did that not get burned in the fire? Weird. I honestly can't come up with anything.

That is, of course, the free energy that judy wood speaks of is truly a possibility. The only things visible during and after the collapse other that extreme amounts of dust, was thousands of papers flying everywhere. Somehow, something so fragile, papers, made it through massive fires and extreme heat... Heat that melted steel beams and caused a building to collapse into itself.

If you can't see the point I made, it's only because you don't want to.

Here it is anyway: if airliners hit the building and are responsible for the collapse, (I'm not sure how I feel about cgi) then there would be no chance in hell that a passport would still be recognizable at ground zero...

Unless-

Free energy was used as a weapon to destroy the towers, which has been shown to virtually disintegrate into thin air. This is the only way that a passport could have survived.

[Kermit]

What is really funny to me is that this thread was created by someone that posted a video claiming that CGI planes hit the buildings, which is something that any self respecting truther doesn't even acknowledge. What's even funnier is reading comments made on that video by truthers arguing with other truthers about what is real and what is not.

[Ebe]

John Lear also claims no planes hit the buildings.

Look up John Lear.

[Kermit]

John Lear also claims no planes hit the buildings.

Look up John Lear.

What did he claim hit the buildings, UFO's?

[sourtwist]

Bigd, what evidence are you talking about that can prove that it wasn't an inside job? I'm pretty sure the only thing you have is trying to deny that opposing facts that have been presented. Do you have proof that any of those hijackers were on any of those planes? Do you have any proof that bin Laden was responsible? Do you have any proof that a building can literally turn into dust, and implode without falling over? Do you have any proof that any if the people on the airplanes actually existed? Do you have any proof that our government officials did not have prior knowledge of an impending attack?

You really have nothing other than stubbornness.

[Kermit]

Our government officials did have prior knowledge of an impending attack

I do believe this. I think what happened that day could and should have been prevented.

[sourtwist]

Kermit, tread carefully. I'm drinking heavily. Might end up challenging you to a game of gnip gnop.

[sourtwist]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://chasvoice.blogspot.com/2013/07/newly-obtained-911-video-reveal-bombs.html%3Fm%3D1&ved=0ahUKEwjJ74K0wfvJAhXL5SYKHYA1BqYQFggkMAM&usg=AFQjCNFnoGqaL9NJMoRTTobV2DeaDwZ-yg

Here are some of the heroes on that day describing what they witnessed on scene, must be more lies, right?

[BigDofBA]

Bigd, what evidence are you talking about that can prove that it wasn't an inside job? I'm pretty sure the only thing you have is trying to deny that opposing facts that have been presented. Do you have proof that any of those hijackers were on any of those planes? Do you have any proof that bin Laden was responsible? Do you have any proof that a building can literally turn into dust, and implode without falling over? Do you have any proof that any if the people on the airplanes actually existed? Do you have any proof that our government officials did not have prior knowledge of an impending attack?

You really have nothing other than stubbornness.

For the last two days I've just been trying to prove to people that planes did hit the building, which should be obvious, and the buildings didn't come down bc of a controlled demolition.

I keep presenting my thoughts and evidence to support my conclusions and no one has refuted what I have said. People just keep posting old YouTube videos that were made by people that have no clue about engineering.

It's easy to look at things and make assumptions if you don't know what you're looking at.

The funny thing is, I keep saying that it's possible the government had prior knowledge an attack was imminent and did nothing. That doesn't mean they orchestrated the attack though. People should look more into that than using their imagination that somehow the government faked flying planes into the building.

There is plenty of evidence the hijackers were on the plane and Bin Laden was responsible. I could turn around and say what evidence do you have they weren't responsible and weren't on the plane.

As far as the planes go, please explain to me who flew them. One truther said they were graphically rendered while another said it was done by remote control. What's your version?

Also, If it wasn't a commercial airliner, what happened to the planes and passengers that left Boston? Please explain. None of the truthers seem to have a theory.

As for the passport that was found, there is a lot of misinformation floating around about it. There was more than just the hijacker's passport that was found. Luggage tags, drivers licenses, other passports, etc were all found.

911 "truthers" act like it's impossible that the only thing recovered was a hijackers passport. I would totally agree if that's how it went down but it isn't. That's false. Several others things were found but the "truthers" ignore those things bc it doesn't fit their agenda.

I'll try to give thorough responses to your questions when we regain power here. We've been belted by storms today and it's a pain to type all of this on my phone. As for eye witness statements, there was a ton of confusion that day. For every witness the truth movement has, I have a witness saying something else happened. You can't just select certain eye witnesses to fit your agenda.

[jtoler]

Bombs in buildings

As usual a vid that cant be argued against is ignored. Here's another one to ignore. Nobody wants to listen to the any witness accounts or the physicists, engineers of various sorts, aircraft pilots, etc. what they say is always ignored in these threads. What they say is impossible and what not is thrown to the way side and the "explained" version is projected from people who arnt qualified to make such assertions. Everybody said they heard explosives, it was reported on televisions from reporters giving eyewitness accounts from ordinary people to firemen and everybody said the explosions were BEFORE the building started to come down. That is the key.

Looking back the notion that 19 foreigners trained to fly Cessnas could fly a jet airliner perfectly into buildings not forgetting the tremendous daredevil stunt that needed to be pulled to fly into the pentagon all before hijacking a plane with box cutters, looking back on that story in the papers its pretty mystifying.

[Snowball]

What did he claim hit the buildings, UFO's?

compare these two:
start at 1:50

closeup - no plane, then explosion at 2:26 with no plane

and here is a study that claims the tv footages were manipulated
to include planes:

[Auto Donk]

i'll say this, those f'n fake planes did a helluva lot of damage..... and were so f'n realistic looking, and sounding.....

this vid pretty much shows that, I guess, James Cameron, Steven Speilnigga, and their special effects people should immediately be arrested for killing all those people, wait, no one died on 9.11, so it can't be for killing people, let's see, what can we charge them with for faking all this shit????

this video of the first plane, one of the few known to exist, hasn't made the tin hat crews' posts yet.... why not? how the fuk is this video fake, o' ye of the tin foil hat????

most uttered phrase that day: "HOLY SHIT!!!!"

HOW DID THEY FAKE THAT SOUND EFFECT, AND PLANE, SO WELL, AND FIRE BOMB, ETC.?

[Auto Donk]

a good view of the second plane showing that in fact it did hit the wtc, and shit came out the other side.... amazing special effects!!!!

dumbasses, planes hit the towers, get the fuk over it.........

[Auto Donk]

OH, and one other question, re: the thousands of surviving witnesses who almost unanimously talked about the smell of jet fuel.... how exaclty did the cia, the old jew, the illuminati/nwo, THEY, the various letter agencies, etc., etc., etc., get the "special effect" odor of fuel throughout the wtc complex????

[Auto Donk]

snowball, do you realize that the dopes you are putting up above are convinced that even private videotapes were somehow altered by the govt???? thousands of people who took video of the event had that video altered by the govt...... the govt inserted planes into all of their videos!!!!!

dude, you're embarrassing yourself putting such idiotic bullshit up here.......... lay down the meth pipe, it's making your paranoid.....

[rkelly110]

Two dimensional, Donker. Like watching a Spielberg movie or a video game. World trade centers were a figment
of our imagination. Or, we are in a matrix? Red pill or the blue pill? Are we really living in reality? Are we in a
video game? Does your fart really stink?

Asking questions, questioning authority is normal and should be encouraged, but to go completely off the grid,
saying there were no planes, no one died, explosives were planted and the towers were brought down with free
energy (whatever that is) is borderline lunatic.

[Snowball]

These people knew the truth: They can't talk no more.
All that "burning jet fuel" doesn't seem to be affecting
this poor woman. NOW DOES IT ????

[Auto Donk]

obviously the fuel has already burned there, and she came along later.... probably half an hour later or so, trying to save herself..... u'd be surprised what adrenelin does to the human condition, and how much you can sustain when your about to die....

having been shot once at close range, you'd be surprised how little I felt or how it did not affect me at all, as I was obviously in a fight for my life..... (and fortunately, it was just a grazing wound) but the blood on my forearm felt cold, the wound was numb...... and I beat the shit out of the guy that shot me while profusely bleeding all over the place.... adrenelin kept me from feeling shit..... didn't feel any pain until after a surgery to fix wound.....

but yes, hundreds of witnesses talked about jet fuel.... I just wished the cleanup would 've focused more on segregating out pieces of the planes so I wouldhn't have wasted a half day of my time on this stupid ass thread.........

[Auto Donk]

I would like to know exactly wtf these idiots are up to at the pentagon;

and i'm with anyone re: show us the f'n footage of a jet hitting the pentagaon....

or show us plane remains.... the fukkin' fbi grabbin' everything and not sharing it with the public is complete and utter bullshit....

[The Kraken]

Kraken, who found that passport? Kind of convenient, no?

Let's try to make sense of how a passport could have been found amidst 100 plus stories of steel and metal that supposedly imploded due to heat from the jet fuel on the airliners....how in the world did that not get burned in the fire? Weird. I honestly can't come up with anything.

That is, of course, the free energy that judy wood speaks of is truly a possibility. The only things visible during and after the collapse other that extreme amounts of dust, was thousands of papers flying everywhere. Somehow, something so fragile, papers, made it through massive fires and extreme heat... Heat that melted steel beams and caused a building to collapse into itself.

If you can't see the point I made, it's only because you don't want to.

Here it is anyway: if airliners hit the building and are responsible for the collapse, (I'm not sure how I feel about cgi) then there would be no chance in hell that a passport would still be recognizable at ground zero...

Unless-

Free energy was used as a weapon to destroy the towers, which has been shown to virtually disintegrate into thin air. This is the only way that a passport could have survived.

Sour I can see your point, I understand where you're coming from. We see what we want to see.

Personally I think you're a bit nutty for believing there were no planes, or that free energy was used as a way to bring down the towers. But I don't judge you for it as you probably think I'm nutty for being blind and naive. We can have different opinions and I can be fine with that. When we're not talking about conspiracy theories, you're one of my favorite posters here. And when we're talking about conspiracy theories, you're one of my favorite posters here So I'm good with it either way

[sourtwist]

Kraken, I never said there were no planes. I don't know how I feel about CGI. I will say that I don't believe that they were commercial airliners. Zakheim had access to planes.

Now let's watch some football... I have a lot going on today in my fantasy leagues, and I have a lot more action than usual on today's games.

Have a great day Kraken.

[Auto Donk]

and, in further indictment of our gov't, it would be very easy to produce crime scene photos of the interior of the pentagon, showing jet parts, etc., if they wanted to....

instead, we get federal officials making the worst type of freudian slips at the worst f'n times:

this shit is retarded..... and fuk the feds for not being more forthcoming.....

[Snowball]

Cossiga has also rejected conspiracies and said that it "seems unlikely that September 11 was the result of an American plot". This dude is wishy washy and going back in forth without any facts. He obviously has an agenda.

His statements were not mutually exclusive. Anyway, he's dead now.

In 2007, Cossiga wrote: "all democratic circles in America and of Europe, especially those of the Italian centre-left, now know that the disastrous attack was planned and realized by the American CIA and Mossad with the help of the Zionist world, to place the blame on Arab countries and to persuade the Western powers to intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan".^[17][18] However, the previous year Cossiga had stated that he rejects theoretical conspiracies and that it "seems unlikely that September 11 was the result of an American plot."^[19]

[Ebe]

Why would there be all of this if it was truly terrorists with boxcutters who hijacked commerical airliners.

[BigDofBA]

Kraken, I never said there were no planes. I don't know how I feel about CGI. I will say that I don't believe that they were commercial airliners. Zakheim had access to planes.

The title of this thread is that there were no planes and several people argued with me until the amount of evidence and common sense stuff I posed was too much to argue with.

Now the consensus theory is "they were not commercial airliners". What do you have to believe that? I have radar data, flight date from American and United, and a passenger list.

I'll ask it again since no one has ever answered this. If they weren't commercial airliners, what happened to the planes that left Boston along with all of the passengers? Who flew these non-commercial planes into the building. If you guys can show me some factual information I'll listen; however, the only thing you've provided is a bunch of hearsay about Star Wars like technology coupled with some out of this world conspiracy cover up BS that would involve a ton of people.

You're essentially going to have to come up with another off the wall wacko theory to explain how that was covered up.

It's ridiculous that we even had to argue and reason with people that planes really hit the building when people on the ground saw it, news broadcast it, people smelled jet, parts of the plane were found, there was a huge ass whole in the building, etc.

911 truthers really need to quit spreading lies. Don't post footage and say "See look, there is a bomb" when you don't even know what you're looking at and don't even know if it's a bomb. I posted like three times explaining what happened and you guys keep ignoring my statements because you don't know how to begin to argue them.

Don't post shit like "The only thing found was a highjacker's passport" when in fact, many other personal things belonging to the other passengers was found.

This all bs that isn't true. That's why it's hard to have a logical discussion

[jtoler]

Wonder how those things on the right of building 7 happened right before the collapse, appears to be charges going off.

"Fires" brought down this building straight down in mere seconds, the woman being interviewed at 2:20 cant turn around quick enough to see the building collapsing into dust in its own footprint.
23 angles

[jtoler]

• Craig Bartmer, Former NYPD, and 9/11 First Responder:[i]

“All of a sudden, the radios exploded and everybody started screaming, ‘Get away, get away, get away from it!’ And, I was like a deer in the headlights. And I looked up, and…Two guys that I knew were on the transit radio. I don’t know if those tapes are out there… And I looked up, and it was nothing I would ever imagine seeing in my life. You know the thing started peeling in on itself and, I mean there was an umbrella of crap seven feet over my head that I just stared at. Somebody grabbed my shoulder and I started running, and the shit’s hitting the ground behind me. And the whole time you’re hearing, ‘THOOM! THOOM! THOOM! THOOM! THOOM!’ So, I, I think I know an explosion when I hear it, you know? So yeah, I wanna know what took that building down. I don’t think it was a fire and it certainly wasn’t a plane…It had some damage to it but nothing like what they’re saying…I am shocked at the[official] story we’ve heard about it, to be quite honest.”

• Kevin McPadden, Emergency Medical Technician, and 9/11 First Responder:[ii]

“And, at the last few seconds, he took his hand off [the radio] and you heard “3-2-1”, and he was just saying, ‘Just run for your life, just run for your life.’ And then it was like another two, three seconds, you heard explosions. Like BA-BOOOOOM! And it’s like a distinct sound…BA-BOOOOOM! And you felt a rumble in the ground, like, almost like you wanted to grab onto something. That, to me, I knew that was an explosion. There was no doubt in my mind.”

• Peter DeMarco, Daily News:[iii]

“[T]here was a rumble. The building’s top row of windows popped out. Then all the windows on the thirty-ninth floor popped out. Then the thirty-eighth floor. Pop! Pop! Pop! was all you heard until the building sunk into a rising cloud of gray.”

• First Year NYU Medical Student interviewed on 1010 Wins Radio only a few minutes after the building’s collapse, identified only by his first name, Darryl:[iv]

“We heard this sound that sounded like a clap of thunder. Turned around, we were shocked to see that the building was – well, it looked like there was a shock wave ripping through building, and the windows all busted out. It was horrifying. And then, about a second later the bottom floor caved out and the building followed after that. And we saw the building collapse down all the way to the ground.”

[sourtwist]

The title of this thread is that there were no planes and several people argued with me until the amount of evidence and common sense stuff I posed was too much to argue with.

Now the consensus theory is "they were not commercial airliners". What do you have to believe that? I have radar data, flight date from American and United, and a passenger list.

I'll ask it again since no one has ever answered this. If they weren't commercial airliners, what happened to the planes that left Boston along with all of the passengers? Who flew these non-commercial planes into the building. If you guys can show me some factual information I'll listen; however, the only thing you've provided is a bunch of hearsay about Star Wars like technology coupled with some out of this world conspiracy cover up BS that would involve a ton of people.

You're essentially going to have to come up with another off the wall wacko theory to explain how that was covered up.

It's ridiculous that we even had to argue and reason with people that planes really hit the building when people on the ground saw it, news broadcast it, people smelled jet, parts of the plane were found, there was a huge ass whole in the building, etc.

911 truthers really need to quit spreading lies. Don't post footage and say "See look, there is a bomb" when you don't even know what you're looking at and don't even know if it's a bomb. I posted like three times explaining what happened and you guys keep ignoring my statements because you don't know how to begin to argue them.

Don't post shit like "The only thing found was a highjacker's passport" when in fact, many other personal things belonging to the other passengers was found.

This all bs that isn't true. That's why it's hard to have a logical discussion

You've turned into a belligerent douchebag. Keep your eyes covered, it will make you feel safe. You don't deserve any more of my time.

I didn't start the thread, but I didn't think if was necessary to start a different one. You're an idiot.

[Snowball]

"Rebekah Roth" destroys trolls who doubted her.

[jtoler]

Psychics amongst us. Many audio and written transcript from EMT medical personnel and firemen about hearing a 20 second countdown before collapse. Strange that world trade centers 3-6 which were in the same square as buildings 1 and 2 were left intact, but building 7 which is not in the same blocked enclave collapses. Many were warned that day not to be anywhere near of course Mr. Silverstein didnt eat breakfast at Windows of the World as he did every morning, when asked on video he stumbled, paused, stumbled again and finally said he was at home.



"Keep and eye on that building it's about to come down, it's about to blow up."

[Ebe]

Theres a lot of retarded morons in the world. If you are unaware of the truth you are one of them.

Its really that simple.

Theres some truth for you.

Get your head out of your ass you fuckin imbeciles.