So fast food workers want $15 an hour?

[PerfectGrape]

Now the Perfect Dope chimes in

Other countries are about as productive as your fat ass trying to type on the keyboard with sausage fingers. There are far less opportunities and a far shorter ceiling. Which of these fantastic other countries do you live in now?

I like the perfect dope line. I am actually skinny and do not have sausage fingers, doubt you have any athletic ability. Don't be so sensitive when USA labor is contrasted with other countries. Certain people with no skills or education need immediate jobs that provide living wages. Does USA really have the most opportunities for these type of jobs with such a low minimum wage? Patriotism should not mean you should be ignorant to the shortcomings of USA labor.

[I/O]

The funny thing that MANY in this thread always seem to ignore, are the many jobs that are not very skilled, that are not entry level jobs, that provide a great living wage. Various jobs in construction, retail, and vending are just a few examples. BUT NO, 30 and 40 year olds already getting all kinds of social welfare need to make top dollar flipping burgers or wiping down tables at Mickey D's.

#2
Somehow millions of Orientals and millions of Indian decent seem to do VERY WELL in this country. How the phuk does that happen? They also don't seem to march like little bitches. What is it?

Dare I say they are not black or Spanish???

[itchypickle]

How much do the presidents and boards of these Co. make off profit?

Considering the amount of hours and levels of responsibility and talent that they bring to the job to keep McDonalds what it is...they deserve it.

[rkelly110]

$15 min wage in Seattle I thought.


But it's not really only about the workers on the minimum wage, it's about pushing all wages above that higher too. Basically every salaried employee, but not the contracted ones like senior management.

It closes the wealth gap a little.

And for the person that said it cant work to pay fast food workers more than tradesmen. Carpenters and skilled tradesman should not be only earning $10/hr is a rich society the same as fast food workers should not be asked to try and live on $7/hr.

That's what you need to think about. Valuing the people, You, more highly.

Optional gets it. (in bold) Raising the minimum wage has a trickle up effect. Something the rich and corporations Know and want to curb. That's why they are padding the Repubs campaign coffers to the max to not vote for a higher minimum wage.

To you non voters, this is what you get for not voting.

[khicks26]

[RubberKettle]

The problem is not the min wage. Its NAFTA, CAFTA, REP's, DEM's, Greed, Bad foreign policy, over extended military, wall street, banks, milton friedman, neoclassical economics, corporate greed, unfettered capitalism, and the fuk the little guy mentality.

Guy sounds like a sophmore, knows just enough to be wise, but is utterly moros.

[teaserpleaser]

[QUOTE=I/O;22586515]The funny thing that MANY in this thread always seem to ignore, are the many jobs that are not very skilled, that are not entry level jobs, that provide a great living wage. Various jobs in construction, retail, and vending are just a few examples. BUT NO, 30 and 40 year olds already getting all kinds of social welfare need to make top dollar flipping burgers or wiping down tables at Mickey D's.

#2
Somehow millions of Orientals and millions of Indian decent seem to do VERY WELL in this country. How the phuk does that happen? They also don't seem to march like little bitches. What is it?

Dare I say they are not black or Spanish???[/QUOTE] all over the place here aren't we? i'll try and make sense of this but you do know asians and Indians get low intrest loans from their banks or other methods I know this for a fact about Asians because the area I grew up in is majority Asian now and they told me about how their culture works right off the boat low intrest/no intrest loans to get started if that's not a big head start i'm not sure what is... lol @ orientals wtf who the fukk calls Asians orientals anymore like its the 80s surprised you didnts say colored and Spanish....lol Spanish really?

[The Kraken]

Seattle's $15/hr is gradual and will be fully implemented in 2021.

Big Macs will be $9 by then

[The Kraken]

Seeing moronic crap like this confirms that I shouldn't even bother to get up in the morning.

What's worse is I bet the ignorant fukk who can't even spell "fries" has gotten laid plenty over the last 2,803 days.

Probably some politician against raising minimum wage did this and started an internet rumour

[Optional]

Seattle's $15/hr is gradual and will be fully implemented in 2021.

Big Macs will be $9 by then

If the rest of the country does not follow it will be interesting to see what happens to Seattle.

Big Macs are $5 each here in Sydney where McDonalds workers get about $15 entry level.

But more expensive fast food and gas are both good things for people that we just think we don't like. Eat less junk and pollute less without even trying.

[khicks26]

Guy sounds like a sophmore, knows just enough to be wise, but is utterly moros.

Well professor, please give us an opinion. Instead of a one line nothing comment, with words from Greek mythology, that no one uses. Look at me, i am smart. What a pompous ass. You don't even know what the real world is, because your still in school. I bet you tell yourself, I need everything the world owes me. Then you tell it to yourself and you agree. Come back when your done with the bust of your ugly head, and tell us your opinion. Then if its some one line garbage with douche words. Will we know, to not listen to your silly ass.

Not bad for a sophomore. Which you spelled wrong by the way professor. Not that it matters, i use spell check all the time. Its just funny because you think your so smart. LOL

[RubberKettle]

Well professor, please give us an opinion. Instead of a one line nothing comment, with words from Greek mythology, that no one uses. Look at me, i am smart. What a pompous ass. You don't even know what the real world is, because your still in school. I bet you tell yourself, I need everything the world owes me. Then you tell it to yourself and you agree. Come back when your done with the bust of your ugly head, and tell us your opinion. Then if its some one line garbage with douche words. Will we know, to not listen to your silly ass.

Not bad for a sophomore. Which you spelled wrong by the way professor. Not that it matters, i use spell check all the time. Its just funny because you think your so smart. LOL

Eye for an eye \*\*\*\*\*\* liberal bitch

[khicks26]

Eye for an eye \*\*\*\*\*\* liberal bitch

Nothing one line silly ass BS douche bag right wing crap of a clown comment. Now we know. So shut the fuk up. What a penis.

[khicks26]

Eye for an eye \*\*\*\*\*\* liberal bitch

Stay in school professor clown.

[shari91]

And for the person that said it cant work to pay fast food workers more than tradesmen. Carpenters and skilled tradesman should not be only earning $10/hr is a rich society the same as fast food workers should not be asked to try and live on $7/hr.

That's what you need to think about. Valuing the people, You, more highly.

See that's the part that makes me wonder. I never dated a tradie nor did I try to be one when I was still living in the US so I really have no idea how much they make but I'd hope that someone who is entrusted to not only come in my home but rectify an issue or even worse, build something, is being paid a hell of a lot more than $15/hour. Here it's a proper career. There are even those current affairs stories done on them because they're making so much money and sometimes act like a bogan. But still I don't care what you spend your $ on if when you come into my house you fix my dishwasher or garage or build a pergola or whatever.

The idea of those people making less than someone who follows a flowchart on how to put together a Big Mac is laughable. If that's really the case in the US if/when these wages for fast food workers rise then there's a much bigger issue here.

[Optional]

See that's the part that makes me wonder. I never dated a tradie nor did I try to be one when I was still living in the US so I really have no idea how much they make but I'd hope that someone who is entrusted to not only come in my home but rectify an issue or even worse, build something, is being paid a hell of a lot more than $15/hour. Here it's a proper career. There are even those current affairs stories done on them because they're making so much money and sometimes act like a bogan. But still I don't care what you spend your $ on if when you come into my house you fix my dishwasher or garage or build a pergola or whatever.

The idea of those people making less than someone who follows a flowchart on how to put together a Big Mac is laughable. If that's really the case in the US if/when these wages for fast food workers rise then there's a much bigger issue here.

When that big famous bread company closed down last year, I read that the tradesman bakers that worked there had been protesting to raise their rate from $10 and change to $12/hr and the company cited that extra cost as unsustainable for the business.

I saw one of them on TV saying he needed to collect food stamps to make ends meet after doing 50 hours per week with overtime.

It's like a big horrible trick to keep the people down and subsidize business with welfare.

[PerfectGrape]

Today’s low-wage workers are also more educated, with 41 percent having at least some college, up from 29 percent in 2000. “Minimum-wage and low-wage workers are older and more educated than 10 or 20 years ago, yet they’re making wages below where they were 10 or 20 years ago after inflation,” said Mr. Schmitt, senior economist at the research center. “If you look back several decades, workers near the minimum wage were more likely to be teenagers — that’s the stereotype people had. It’s definitely not accurate anymore.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/17/business/economy/low-wage-workers-finding-its-easier-to-fall-into-poverty-and-harder-to-get-out.html

[Carseller4]

Perspective. ..

A recent college grad has about the same level of education as a typical 50's high school grad.

Also there are active duty military members who make less than minimum wage.

[Lebensraum]

Seeing at what happened to at least five countries here in Europe in the past decade, I'd say government regulation of the banks/corporations AND putting as much money as possible into the pockets of the less wealthy is an excellent idea.

Accumulated trillions of dollars of 'wealth' that is ready to be investment and looks so appealing to weak-willed governments? That's a good recipee for another bubble, followed by a bailout. Screw that.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is 'the system' should prevent accumulating 'excessive' wealth that A) can't be spent in 100 lifetimes and B) whose owners, for obvious reasons, want to grow it even further - regardless of what it may ultimately cost the borrowers

[itchypickle]

Optional gets it. (in bold) Raising the minimum wage has a trickle up effect. Something the rich and corporations Know and want to curb. That's why they are padding the Repubs campaign coffers to the max to not vote for a higher minimum wage.

To you non voters, this is what you get for not voting.

Its not just the 'rich and corporations' though kelly....wages don't just materialize out of the sky and people can say 'oh you seem like a good kid...i'll pay youuuuu.....$30/hr hows that?" Majority of companies in America are not mega corporations...so it will break the smaller shops. The ones where employees make minimum-just above and the owners take home a salary each year but its not a 7 figure one...so if a main street has a small cafe, salon, kids jump zone, boutique clothes, etc and suddenly owners have to double the pay of employees they wont last long. Its a business model...those arguing that everyone can afford it because Wal Mart and McDonalds makes so many millions per year live in a bubble and do not see what majority of american businesses look like. So if you raise the minimum wage to $15 then the other workers who were already making $10 or $13 now also have to have their tiered pay raised..adding to the expense of the company and it snowballs into a failure.

[I/O]

Seeing at what happened to at least five countries here in Europe in the past decade, I'd say government regulation of the banks/corporations AND putting as much money as possible into the pockets of the less wealthy is an excellent idea.

Accumulated trillions of dollars of 'wealth' that is ready to be investment and looks so appealing to weak-willed governments? That's a good recipee for another bubble, followed by a bailout. Screw that.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is 'the system' should prevent accumulating 'excessive' wealth that A) can't be spent in 100 lifetimes and B) whose owners, for obvious reasons, want to grow it even further - regardless of what it may ultimately cost the borrowers

Without Germany, Europe is an economic wasteland getting worse every day. Any other part of the world should keep their distance from anything Europe does. Been around forever and has been getting surpassed by areas/countries/continents for hundreds of years. On the DECLINE.

[I/O]

Its not just the 'rich and corporations' though kelly....wages don't just materialize out of the sky and people can say 'oh you seem like a good kid...i'll pay youuuuu.....$30/hr hows that?" Majority of companies in America are not mega corporations...so it will break the smaller shops. The ones where employees make minimum-just above and the owners take home a salary each year but its not a 7 figure one...so if a main street has a small cafe, salon, kids jump zone, boutique clothes, etc and suddenly owners have to double the pay of employees they wont last long. Its a business model...those arguing that everyone can afford it because Wal Mart and McDonalds makes so many millions per year live in a bubble and do not see what majority of american businesses look like. So if you raise the minimum wage to $15 then the other workers who were already making $10 or $13 now also have to have their tiered pay raised..adding to the expense of the company and it snowballs into a failure.

Rkelly and his ilk are just gonna focus their hate and rage on the big boys. It's easier for the story line. No need to actually think big picture. Just point at some monster corporation and say it's the cause of all our troubles and WE NEED big government to get hands on. Any other thought process is beyond their pay grade.

[I/O]

Today’s low-wage workers are also more educated, with 41 percent having at least some college, up from 29 percent in 2000. “Minimum-wage and low-wage workers are older and more educated than 10 or 20 years ago, yet they’re making wages below where they were 10 or 20 years ago after inflation,” said Mr. Schmitt, senior economist at the research center. “If you look back several decades, workers near the minimum wage were more likely to be teenagers — that’s the stereotype people had. It’s definitely not accurate anymore.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/17/bu...o-get-out.html

I missed the part where it says, "todays low wage workers are the laziest fuks in the history of the country with an endless feeling of entitlement and have no drive for anything but to breed and watch cable"

[I/O]

[QUOTE=teaserpleaser;22587639]

The funny thing that MANY in this thread always seem to ignore, are the many jobs that are not very skilled, that are not entry level jobs, that provide a great living wage. Various jobs in construction, retail, and vending are just a few examples. BUT NO, 30 and 40 year olds already getting all kinds of social welfare need to make top dollar flipping burgers or wiping down tables at Mickey D's.

#2
Somehow millions of Orientals and millions of Indian decent seem to do VERY WELL in this country. How the phuk does that happen? They also don't seem to march like little bitches. What is it?

Dare I say they are not black or Spanish???[/QUOTE] all over the place here aren't we? i'll try and make sense of this but you do know asians and Indians get low intrest loans from their banks or other methods I know this for a fact about Asians because the area I grew up in is majority Asian now and they told me about how their culture works right off the boat low intrest/no intrest loans to get started if that's not a big head start i'm not sure what is... lol @ orientals wtf who the fukk calls Asians orientals anymore like its the 80s surprised you didnts say colored and Spanish....lol Spanish really?

Now it's one minority railing on another for getting too much. The excuses are endless.

btw....

I'm married to one and SHE SAYS SPANISH. And so do her brothers and sisters. And so do their kids. And so does my best friend and his wife. Yeah, both SPANISH.

That's your best reply?

[I/O]

Today’s low-wage workers are also more educated, with 41 percent having at least some college, up from 29 percent in 2000. “Minimum-wage and low-wage workers are older and more educated than 10 or 20 years ago, yet they’re making wages below where they were 10 or 20 years ago after inflation,” said Mr. Schmitt, senior economist at the research center. “If you look back several decades, workers near the minimum wage were more likely to be teenagers — that’s the stereotype people had. It’s definitely not accurate anymore.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/17/bu...o-get-out.html

I didn't bother with the link....

You got anything on current out of wedlock births?.....by race???

Anything on number of children from multiple males of the species?...by race??

[I/O]

[QUOTE=teaserpleaser;22587639]

The funny thing that MANY in this thread always seem to ignore, are the many jobs that are not very skilled, that are not entry level jobs, that provide a great living wage. Various jobs in construction, retail, and vending are just a few examples. BUT NO, 30 and 40 year olds already getting all kinds of social welfare need to make top dollar flipping burgers or wiping down tables at Mickey D's.

#2
Somehow millions of Orientals and millions of Indian decent seem to do VERY WELL in this country. How the phuk does that happen? They also don't seem to march like little bitches. What is it?

Dare I say they are not black or Spanish???[/QUOTE] all over the place here aren't we? i'll try and make sense of this but you do know asians and Indians get low intrest loans from their banks or other methods I know this for a fact about Asians because the area I grew up in is majority Asian now and they told me about how their culture works right off the boat low intrest/no intrest loans to get started if that's not a big head start i'm not sure what is... lol @ orientals wtf who the fukk calls Asians orientals anymore like its the 80s surprised you didnts say colored and Spanish....lol Spanish really?

fwiw

I'd use **ggar, but it seems only BLACKS are legally/morally/socially PERMITTED to use that term for some reason???

Maybe I should go put my black face (and hands) on, wear my prison pants under my ass, and stand in the line for my "Allowed to say **ggar card"

I'll post differently once I put it in my wallet.

[rkelly110]

Rkelly and his ilk are just gonna focus their hate and rage on the big boys. It's easier for the story line. No need to actually think big picture. Just point at some monster corporation and say it's the cause of all our troubles and WE NEED big government to get hands on. Any other thought process is beyond their pay grade.

That's right. I'm for the working man. The guys who fixes your car and builds your house. Fire fighters, nurses and doctors are the guys I admire, not some corporate head who gives head to get where he is.

When will you guys learn we pay for everything. Small businesses and the corporate world have their profit margins set. Doesn't matter. Higher wages is the same as their cost of goods going higher. They pass the costs to us while maintaining their profit. Any business owner knows this. If he doesn't, then he needs to close shop now. Business 101.

[itchypickle]

That's right. I'm for the working man. The guys who fixes your car and builds your house. Fire fighters, nurses and doctors are the guys I admire, not some corporate head who gives head to get where he is.

When will you guys learn we pay for everything. Small businesses and the corporate world have their profit margins set. Doesn't matter. Higher wages is the same as their cost of goods going higher. They pass the costs to us while maintaining their profit. Any business owner knows this. If he doesn't, then he needs to close shop now. Business 101.

Kelly all the jobs you mentioned pay more than minimum wage and more than $10 pal...so nobody is saying the working man shouldn't be paid...we are talking the minimum wage no skill people....firefighters get pay + benefits and chance to rise in the ranks and get a great deal....mechanics gouge the fukk out of the ignorant and with the right EFFORT work on helicopters and planes etc and make good money if they work for Ford etc.....Nurses get $45-60k a year plus benefits as well.....the common theme is these all LEARNED A NEEDED SKILL FOR A LONG TERM POSITION

[stevenash]

Optional gets it. (in bold) Raising the minimum wage has a trickle up effect. Something the rich and corporations Know and want to curb. That's why they are padding the Repubs campaign coffers to the max to not vote for a higher minimum wage.

To you non voters, this is what you get for not voting.

Trickle up effect you say?
Let's have a history lesson tonight.

Congress enacted the minimum wage in 1938.
America now has a minimum wage. It's 25 cents an hour.
What happened?
According to the Labor Department in 1938 50,000 workers lost their jobs.
The hardest hit, the tobbaco industry down south, especially the African American tobacco stemmers, they were replaced by machines.
As a matter of fact, in tiny Wilson NC alone, 2000 African Americans lost their jobs to machines in 1939.
Fast forward to 2014, fast food restaurants are installing kiosks, and automated robots to make your bugers.
A raise in minium wage increases labor costs, and to compensate, businesses, especially the smaller business must off set the rising labor costs somehow.

Just take a look at a simple, basic, supply/demand chart.
You'd realize that setting a price floor on labor only, decreases the demand for labor.

How about making the minimum wage $0.00
Isn't that really what the minimum wage is today?
I mean 14 million Americans today are earning $0.00 an hour.
Most of those 14 million people are unskilled/low skilled minorities. (fact)
Raising the minimum wage at say Joe's Burger Joint, will increase Joe's labor cost, and to compensate, he can't keep on 24 employees any more, he can only afford to keep 20 on the books.
That means 4 more go on the unemployed rolls, that increases, not decreases the u/e rate.

How about letting the market dictate the minimum wage?
It would benefit a 19 year old inner city kid to make 5 bucks an hour at a level entry job, or to gain experience for later on in life, than to wish he can get one of those minimum wage 15 dollar an hour jobs that'll he never get.
He'll never get that 15 dollar an hour job because the productive good wokers that were making 11.50 or what ever the minimum wage was that now are getting a mandated 15 dollar an hour wage will be reluctant to give that job up, of if he does move on, that job will either go to an unemployed laborer with prior skills or worse, that job will be eliminated by attrition all together.

If for instance a federal law is passed that says the minimum wage must be 15 dollars (or whatever) it's going to constrain employees.
All a mandated minimum wage of 15 dollars an hour does says you must pay a worker 15 dollars, now if no diploma/no real skills Johnny who's real work force value is about 5 dollars an hour can't get work at 11.50 dollars an hour, what makes you think he's going to find a minimum wage job at 15?
Those jobs are taken, and people who have them are going to think twice before giving it up, and if they do give it up, sure as hell Johnny is not going to get it.

I can make rock solid points all night long, the dyed in the wool liberals will do what they always do, mock, attack, deny the data, spew his own data, or more mockery of others, like big business, accuse those who oppose them with data as capitalist pig, racist, or worse.

[Optional]

Trickle up effect you say?
Let's have a history lesson tonight.

Congress enacted the minimum wage in 1938.
America now has a minimum wage. It's 25 cents an hour.
What happened?
According to the Labor Department in 1938 50,000 workers lost their jobs.
The hardest hit, the tobbaco industry down south, especially the African American tobacco stemmers, they were replaced by machines.
As a matter of fact, in tiny Wilson NC alone, 2000 African Americans lost their jobs to machines in 1939.
Fast forward to 2014, fast food restaurants are installing kiosks, and automated robots to make your bugers.
A raise in minium wage increases labor costs, and to compensate, businesses, especially the smaller business must off set the rising labor costs somehow.

Just take a look at a simple, basic, supply/demand chart.
You'd realize that setting a price floor on labor only, decreases the demand for labor.

How about making the minimum wage $0.00
Isn't that really what the minimum wage is today?
I mean 14 million Americans today are earning $0.00 an hour.
Most of those 14 million people are unskilled/low skilled minorities. (fact)
Raising the minimum wage at say Joe's Burger Joint, will increase Joe's labor cost, and to compensate, he can't keep on 24 employees any more, he can only afford to keep 20 on the books.
That means 4 more go on the unemployed rolls, that increases, not decreases the u/e rate.

How about letting the market dictate the minimum wage?
It would benefit a 19 year old inner city kid to make 5 bucks an hour at a level entry job, or to gain experience for later on in life, than to wish he can get one of those minimum wage 15 dollar an hour jobs that'll he never get.
He'll never get that 15 dollar an hour job because the productive good wokers that were making 11.50 or what ever the minimum wage was that now are getting a mandated 15 dollar an hour wage will be reluctant to give that job up, of if he does move on, that job will either go to an unemployed laborer with prior skills or worse, that job will be eliminated by attrition all together.

If for instance a federal law is passed that says the minimum wage must be 15 dollars (or whatever) it's going to constrain employees.
All a mandated minimum wage of 15 dollars an hour does says you must pay a worker 15 dollars, now if no diploma/no real skills Johnny who's real work force value is about 5 dollars an hour can't get work at 11.50 dollars an hour, what makes you think he's going to find a minimum wage job at 15?
Those jobs are taken, and people who have them are going to think twice before giving it up, and if they do give it up, sure as hell Johnny is not going to get it.

I can make rock solid points all night long, the dyed in the wool liberals will do what they always do, mock, attack, deny the data, spew his own data, or more mockery of others, like big business, accuse those who oppose them with data as capitalist pig, racist, or worse.

Because the market is greedy and has no concern for the good of the community.

Do you agree with any sort of market regulation?

Just say they did something like raised it 50c/hr every six months for the next 3 years to take it to $10+ and assess the impact?

Would the sky fall in and everyone lose their jobs in that scenario?

Or would a whole lot of those working people no longer need to take your taxes for food stamps and the businesses cope just fine?

10's of Millions of previously poverty line Americans might also not only be able to survive without food stamps but also start to consume more discretionary/luxury products.

Business all over the world survive in 1st world nations with a $10/hr+ minimum wage. (and I think every single other rich country reviews it annually too, not every 6 or 7 years!)

Even Americans are smart enough to do it too.

[khicks26]

Do you think that businesses, are going to keep people working if they can buy a machine to do the job. This really has nothing to do raising the Min Wage. If you raise it or not, people will still lose there jobs to a machine. Because its about the bottom line, and growing profits. They don't keep you working out of the goodness of there heart. They need someone to do the work. If they don't need you, your gone, 15 an hr or not.

[Optional]

Do you think that businesses, are going to keep people working if they can buy a machine to do the job. This really has nothing to do raising the Min Wage. If you raise it or not, people will still lose there jobs to a machine. Because its about the bottom line, and growing profits. They don't keep you working out of the goodness of there heart. They need someone to do the work. If they don't need you, your gone, 15 an hr or not.

If you imagine a lot of businesses have extra un-needed employees now that might happen.

But demand is not going to suddenly go away. The opposite in most sectors as consumers are getting a hold of extra money first, not filtered down from banks and corporations only getting to people as the inflationary impact of those extra dollars has already eaten into them.

Even if they raised the minimum wage 30% in one day, how much do you think that would add to the cost of a Big Mac?

Approx 25% of McDs store costs is labor. So a 30% raise to ALL workers (not just minimum wage ones) would cost a grand total of 7.5%... or 22 cents onto the cost of Big Mac.

And no one will ever suggest a 30% jump at once. More like 5% steps... so 3 or 4 cents on a Big Mac each step.

You won't even notice!! And businesses will not need mass layoffs.

[khicks26]

If you imagine a lot of businesses have extra un-needed employees now that might happen.

But demand is not going to suddenly go away. The opposite in most sectors as consumers are getting a hold of extra money first, not filtered down from banks and corporations only getting to people as the inflationary impact of those extra dollars has already eaten into them.

Even if they raised the minimum wage 30% in one day, how much do you think that would add to the cost of a Big Mac?

Approx 25% of McDs store costs is labor. So a 30% raise to ALL workers (not just minimum wage ones) would cost a grand total of 7.5%... or 22 cents onto the cost of Big Mac.

And no one will ever suggest a 30% jump at once. More like 5% steps... so 3 or 4 cents on a Big Mac each step.

You won't even notice!! And businesses will not need mass layoffs.

Yes i agree with you. Its not a matter of if they can afford it. If its done the right way. Plus i do think nobody should get 15 an hr off the bat. But you should be able to work you way to it, over a few years time. Your also right about free markets. You can not let companies decide the min wage. It has not worked yet.

[rkelly110]

First, thanks for your replies, but in order to have a substantial middle class, the middle class has to earn a wage that
they can live on. $7.25 ain't gonna cut it. $10 an hour is poverty. Obama's proposal is $10.10. A tad above poverty
in the US.

I know everyone thinks I hate the corporate world, but can you blame me when they dumped their work force onto
the govt's doorstep in '08-'09? How patriotic was that? How patriotic is sending our jobs overseas? Is it patriotic to pay
our workers shit w/ no benefits so they can get food stamps you and me pay for?

Right now it's the blacks and minorities who are suffering, Give it time fellas, you and me are next. Corporate world
hates people, period, money is their god. The less they can do w/o out people the better. Right now they are seeking
low wage workers, next it will be automation. Who will have jobs? The automation mechanics and designers. That accounts for 1% of the population. Get your degree now.

[khicks26]

First, thanks for your replies, but in order to have a substantial middle class, the middle class has to earn a wage that
they can live on. $7.25 ain't gonna cut it. $10 an hour is poverty. Obama's proposal is $10.10. A tad above poverty
in the US.

I know everyone thinks I hate the corporate world, but can you blame me when they dumped their work force onto
the govt's doorstep in '08-'09? How patriotic was that? How patriotic is sending our jobs overseas? Is it patriotic to pay
our workers shit w/ no benefits so they can get food stamps you and me pay for?

Right now it's the blacks and minorities who are suffering, Give it time fellas, you and me are next. Corporate world
hates people, period, money is their god. The less they can do w/o out people the better. Right now they are seeking
low wage workers, next it will be automation. Who will have jobs? The automation mechanics and designers. That accounts for 1% of the population. Get your degree now.

The greedy bastards have ripped the heart out of the country. We make nothing here anymore. We are, as it has been said. Gone from a nation of production, to a nation of consumption. They have shipped the jobs overseas, and we are forced to compete with low to slave labor. Then they tell us you make to much or your not working hard enough. They don't give a shit about this country. Just what they can bleed from the people.