GOD

[Triple_D_Bet]

In bold..

When you can prove the supernatural parts of "god's word", then you'll have our attention...but every time an easily-debunked theory is put forth, it kinda kills any credibility.

His "real life story" is short on proof, long on interpretation....but I was laughing at the interpretation of the first verse of genesis, twisted about to try to match it up to actual scientific theories.

1984 was a good read, sad that in our ignorance to be protected from ourselves, we've invited several aspects of the cautionary tale...but we have irrationality to thank for that.

I'm willing to believe hendrix, santana etc don't think they're lying...but once again, their belief is not proof of anything except their subjective feelings (as in, "not facts").

If you can't prove something or even give a reason why it's more plausible than any number of similar works of fiction, that something isn't worth wasting your life on. More importantly, when that belief leads you to a bunch of other irrational conclusions and you vote accordingly, you make life worse for all of us.

I've put a good deal of effort showing you exactly how science explains prophecies, visions, dreams, etc...you simply refuse to read it, and have admitted as much. Believe as you will, but let's not pretend you're being even slightly rational in your beliefs when you have to resort to sticking your fingers in your ear and shouting "LALALALALA" in order to maintain them.

Job's faith was tested by God to win a wager with Satan; apparently this loving, caring God cared more about winning his bet (with no wager, and no mention if he even got good odds!) than doing right by his follower. I don't believe in following anyone who would rather slaughter my family than turn down a bet

[zizoudane10]

Triple_D_Bet sure seems like a guy I'd like to have a beer with.

[bigtymer56]

Guys bring up so many great points about Jesus.

[brainfreeze]

When you can prove the supernatural parts of "god's word", then you'll have our attention...but every time an easily-debunked theory is put forth, it kinda kills any credibility.

You can't prove otherwise... So this is just spinning wheels bud, we're going no where. You believe man and his books, I believe God and His word... That's the difference... and all the real evidence such as giants found in Ohio valley, or all the other relics that were left behind by apostles and so fourth are swept under the rug... Nothing going on over here.., that's all folks, your side owns the universities, they own the world for that matter, so they control what truth is, and what gets published and what doesn't ... Don't be so naive tripper...

His "real life story" is short on proof, long on interpretation....but I was laughing at the interpretation of the first verse of genesis, twisted about to try to match it up to actual scientific theories.

If you say so, just someone else lying to you I guess, why is that funny ? In the beginning " time " , God created the heavens " space " and the earth " matter " ... What other way is there to see it ? Mind you, how old that verse is as well...


1984 was a good read, sad that in our ignorance to be protected from ourselves, we've invited several aspects of the cautionary tale...but we have irrationality to thank for that.

A good read ? Where in the world did that guy get all that information ? This is what I mean your not questioning anything. How did he explain what was coming to a T ? and it came to pass as described ... Irrational ? The book said it would be happening just as it's happening, what was he throwing darts as well and just making it up as he went along and the world read it and making it come to pass ?

I'm willing to believe hendrix, santana etc don't think they're lying...but once again, their belief is not proof of anything except their subjective feelings (as in, "not facts").

Well if your willing to believe something else is going on, sounds like a sprout of faith friend, these people aren't joking around, and they have no reason to lie to you, what do you think of that Marilyn manson guy, or the new satanist chick kesha or whatever her name is ? Do you think they are doing this for attention ?

If you can't prove something or even give a reason why it's more plausible than any number of similar works of fiction, that something isn't worth wasting your life on. More importantly, when that belief leads you to a bunch of other irrational conclusions and you vote accordingly, you make life worse for all of us.

I've made my choice trip, I know what's real, and God has given me more wisdom on things then I ever thought I'd have. You think it's irrational and I think your irrational for not considering it, so there that is

I've put a good deal of effort showing you exactly how science explains prophecies, visions, dreams, etc...you simply refuse to read it, and have admitted as much. Believe as you will, but let's not pretend you're being even slightly rational in your beliefs when you have to resort to sticking your fingers in your ear and shouting "LALALALALA" in order to maintain them.

It's a scam, I've heard with open ears, you are not the first to approach me with this bud, I've actually conversed with guys that dug stuff up, it makes no difference to me. I will never believe it until it's proven, and it's obviously going to stay unproven until you guys take some family of ape put a camera on them for a few thousand years or million lol, and watch them become human... Just not logical bud..

Job's faith was tested by God to win a wager with Satan; apparently this loving, caring God cared more about winning his bet (with no wager, and no mention if he even got good odds!) than doing right by his follower. I don't believe in following anyone who would rather slaughter my family than turn down a bet
There was was no wager, God already knows trip, go look up His elect or predestination .., there's no gamble or bet, this is a sure thing, if you want to take other people's preconceived thoughts on the matter, you won't get far, YOU seek, and YOU will find..

In bold..

[brainfreeze]

“Progress means getting nearer to the place you want to be. And if you have taken a wrong turning, then to go forward does not get you any nearer.
If you are on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; and in that case the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive man.”
― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

[zizoudane10]

"A good read ? Where in the world did that guy get all that information ? This is what I mean your not questioning anything. How did he explain what was coming to a T ? and it came to pass as described ... Irrational ? The book said it would be happening just as it's happening, what was he throwing darts as well and just making it up as he went along and the world read it and making it come to pass ?"

Best part ever written here
You clearly have no clue about the book and what happened in the world when he wrote it.
Fukk, I'm nearly laughing tears here.
You realize that f.e. the 4 ministries are a parodie of the famous speech from President Roosevelt in 1941, right?
You realize what happened in Nazi-Germany and still happened in the Soviet Union and Spain (only to name a few), exactly in the times he wrote the book (when talking about spying etc etc etc), right?
You realize, that Orwell himself explained in his Essay "Why I write", exactly that his main influence here was the Guerra civil española and the beginning of Franco's reign there, right?
You realize, that he put a lot of his own experiences from working for the BBC (which was controlled by the Ministry of Information) in his book, right?


BUT YEEEEEES, of course the real question should be: "Where in the world did that guy get all that information ?" and "How did he explain what was coming to a T?"

penetrate boy, you are THAT uneducated, that it is almost ridiculous!
And don't get me wrong, I would never make fun of uneducated people. Especially, because they normally know that they have no clue about certain things and just shut the f up instead of talking 100% dumb and laughable bullshit 24/7. But you are a special case here...

So I'll just say this: Yes, Orwell could see into the future. Period. Because all explanations are (as usual) 100% wasted when it comes to you. It is throwing pearls before swine. Seriously.


And just btw: Don't even get me started on your "Theomatics".... I would slap you around on so many levels.... I have a degree in Science of Languages. I know how languages work. You don't. And anyone who claims that there is ANY credibility when it comes to "theomatics" has NO fukkin clue of a)languages, b)mathematics, c)logic fallacies (just btw, I have a degree in philosophy as well and you clearly don't ) and d)the famous "sharpshooter fallacies".

So let me give you a brief summary of your gibberish: "I, brainfreeze, have no clue like whatsoever. I am not able to google. I am not able to understand the most simple explanations and I definitely don't know anything about any science and how it works and why it works."
And I am saying this (again), with respect here, but THAT brainfreeze - unfortunately - is the undeniable truth. Because day after day you confirm every single thing I said here. Peace.

[The Kraken]

Do you know god exists or believe god exists?

[muldoon]

Do you know god exists or believe god exists?

Solid.

The response from some will be. "I know" followed by "If you allow Jesus into your heart" followed by some other nonsense..."You will KNOW him too"

Others will be "Do you know your friends love you....or do you believe they love you?" trying to rope you in to admitting you personally can "know" something that can't be measured or fit into a box.

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

You realize that f.e. the 4 ministries are a parodie of the famous speech from President Roosevelt in 1948, right?

Zizou,

Let me begin by saying that I wholeheartedly agree with literally every single thing you said in the above post.

But.

Roosevelt died in 1945. Truman was president in 48.

[zizoudane10]

Zizou,

Let me begin by saying that I agree with literally every single thing you said in the above post.

But.

Roosevelt died in 1945. Truman was president in 48.

Ooops...
Typo pal. Roosevelt's speech was from 1941. In front of the congress, about the "four freedoms" („freedom of speech and religion, from want and fear“)
He wrote the book in 1948.
Btw: At first he wanted to name the book 1948, the year he wrote it. But after some thinking and talks with his editor, they decided to change the last two numbers to put it in the future and make it more interesting.

[brainfreeze]

"A good read ? Where in the world did that guy get all that information ? This is what I mean your not questioning anything. How did he explain what was coming to a T ? and it came to pass as described ... Irrational ? The book said it would be happening just as it's happening, what was he throwing darts as well and just making it up as he went along and the world read it and making it come to pass ?"

Best part ever written here
You clearly have no clue about the book and what happened in the world when he wrote it.
Fukk, I'm nearly laughing tears here.
You realize that f.e. the 4 ministries are a parodie of the famous speech from President Roosevelt in 1941, right?
You realize what happened in Nazi-Germany and still happened in the Soviet Union and Spain (only to name a few), exactly in the times he wrote the book (when talking about spying etc etc etc), right?
You realize, that Orwell himself explained in his Essay "Why I write", exactly that his main influence here was the Guerra civil española and the beginning of Franco's reign there, right?
You realize, that he put a lot of his own experiences from working for the BBC (which was controlled by the Ministry of Information) in his book, right?


BUT YEEEEEES, of course the real question should be: "Where in the world did that guy get all that information ?" and "How did he explain what was coming to a T?"

penetrate boy, you are THAT uneducated, that it is almost ridiculous!
And don't get me wrong, I would never make fun of uneducated people. Especially, because they normally know that they have no clue about certain things and just shut the f up instead of talking 100% dumb and laughable bullshit 24/7. But you are a special case here...

So I'll just say this: Yes, Orwell could see into the future. Period. Because all explanations are (as usual) 100% wasted when it comes to you. It is throwing pearls before swine. Seriously.


And just btw: Don't even get me started on your "Theomatics".... I would slap you around on so many levels.... I have a degree in Science of Languages. I know how languages work. You don't. And anyone who claims that there is ANY credibility when it comes to "theomatics" has NO fukkin clue of a)languages, b)mathematics, c)logic fallacies (just btw, I have a degree in philosophy as well and you clearly don't ) and d)the famous "sharpshooter fallacies".

So let me give you a brief summary of your gibberish: "I, brainfreeze, have no clue like whatsoever. I am not able to google. I am not able to understand the most simple explanations and I definitely don't know anything about any science and how it works and why it works."
And I am saying this (again), with respect here, but THAT brainfreeze - unfortunately - is the undeniable truth. Because day after day you confirm every single thing I said here. Peace.

The point is what he wrote is coming to pass, the Orwellian perception... What I'm asking is how did he know it was coming ? Guess that completely passed you by...your such a smart aleck but yet you spend everyday right here with me... So, what does that tell ya , stop being such a jerk, and only commenting on what you think you know, what do you think about Bob Dylan and the rest, you can't explain none of what I've been saying ... All you can do is laugh, and to me that's when I smell weakness... So either move on, go help the world " because your so dang smart ", or answer some real questions ... Have you ever read, behold a pale white horse ? Explain some of that in detail then start laughing smart guy... Until then GET OVER YOURSELF

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

Ooops...
Typo pal. Roosevelt's speech was from 1941. In front of the congress, about the "four freedoms" („freedom of speech and religion, from want and fear“)
He wrote the book in 1948.
Btw: At first he wanted to name the book 1948, the year he wrote it. But after some thinking and talks with his editor, they decided to change the last two numbers to put it in the future and make it more interesting.

I didn't know that about 1984. Its funny how differently the work may have been interpreted had the original title remained.

It may have appeared less of a dystopian outlook on the future of personal freedoms / fascism and more of a period piece of which there were so many during that time. Funny how such a small detail can change our entire interpretation of the work.

The real question is, was FDR's wheelchair of the time travelling variety???

[zizoudane10]

the point is what he wrote is coming to pass, the orwellian perception... what i'm asking is how did he know it was coming ? guess that completely passed you by...your such a smart aleck but yet you spend everyday right here with me... So, what does that tell ya , stop being such a jerk, and only commenting on what you think you know, what do you think about bob dylan and the rest, you can't explain none of what i've been saying ... All you can do is laugh, and to me that's when i smell weakness... So either move on, go help the world " because your so dang smart ", or answer some real questions ... Have you ever read, behold a pale white horse ? Explain some of that in detail then start laughing smart guy... Until then get over yourself

you are a fukkin idiot, i just explained it!
So one more fukkin time for you special needs kid: He didn't know what was coming but he was describing what he saw with his own eyes!
Do you understand me?
Is there anything between your ears???

[brainfreeze]

you are a fukkin idiot, i just explained it!
So one more fukkin time for you special needs kid: He didn't know what was coming but he was describing what he saw with his own eyes!
Do you understand me?
Is there anything between your ears???

im not listening, I'm comprehending what I'm reading at the moment, smart guy, most of which of what you write I pass by, because I refuse to take someone seriously who's constantly name calling and laughing ... Is that all your going to answer out of my paragraph ? Go figure.... Bye now zou

[zizoudane10]

I didn't know that about 1984. Its funny how differently the work may have been interpreted had the original title remained.

It may have appeared less of a dystopian outlook on the future of personal freedoms / fascism and more of a period piece of which there were so many during that time. Funny how such a small detail can change our entire interpretation of the work.

The real question is, was FDR's wheelchair of the time travelling variety???

Yes, but at the same time it doesn't even matter?
He obviously exaggerated whate he witnessed, no doubt. For dramatic and comedic reasons.
But it doesn't even matter whether the title is 1948 or 1984. Because all he says is: Watch out. He described what he saw and witnessed happening in Spain, Germany, Soviet Union, mixed it with a little USA and GB and blew it up like a balloon to make really clear what he meant.

[zizoudane10]

im not listening

True. and not reading. And not learning. And not understanding, that I answered your question IN DEPTH. And If you don't even understand that I answered your whole question, that leads me to the conclusion that your are utterly dumb. Sorry, but true.

, I'm comprehending what I'm reading at the moment

Obviously not comprehending. As I stated above.

most of which of what you write I pass by

Well, obvious is obvious. You a) didn't read my post or b) you are dumb.
Because if you read my post, there is NOTHING that would bring a full grown human being with half a brain to ask the same question again.

Bye now zou

Are you throwing me out of this thread?

EDIT:
And just btw: Why do you even state that you are "not listening"? Did I ask anywhere if you were "listening"?
Please don't say you thought my sentence with the "ears" in it, had anything to do with your hearing ability....
Hint: I asked whether you had a brain or not. Hence the word BETWEEN. I didn't ask if there is anything WITH your ears. So again: You didn't read correctly. What a surprise. Shocking.

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

im not listening, I'm comprehending what I'm reading at the moment, smart guy, most of which of what you write I pass by, because I refuse to take someone seriously who's constantly name calling and laughing ... Is that all your going to answer out of my paragraph ? Go figure.... Bye now zou

Some of history's greatest men were name callers and laugh-in-your-face-ers.

Does this mean they should not be taken seriously???



Don't even think about disrespecting LBJ.

[brainfreeze]

Ooops...

I guess sometimes, even smart guys are off, way off... but you won't see me laughing at you because you don't know God, or His word... God loves you zou

[zizoudane10]

I guess sometimes, even smart guys are off, way off... but you won't see me laughing at you because you don't know God, or His word... God loves you zou

You didn't get it, right? Again, what a surprise...
I know god, because in the beginning I created her. She is ugly.

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

I guess sometimes, even smart guys are off, way off... but you won't see me laughing at you because you don't know God, or His word... God loves you zou

Zizou is smarter and more "on" than 99.9% of god fearing folk.

Why does god love some and request the genocide of others?

“This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

Or is so vengeful?

“Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

Or condones misogyny?

“Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22)

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

Or slavery?

“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)

[brainfreeze]

Or condones misogyny?

“Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22)

slaves, submit yourselves to your masters not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.(1 Peter 2:18)

happy is he who repays for what you have done to us, - he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks

Ok number 1, the man is head of the house, that's just the way it is... When one goes to work how many bosses do they have 1 ... The man makes final decisions for his family, " old way of thinking I guess " but it builds a strong healthy family. It's been going on for ages and works very well... Guess your one who supports Hillary ?

number 2, slavery has been going on for ages, it didn't just pop up for black folks, remember Moses ? " let my people go ! " yea, that goes for even Gods chosen... Slavery has been part of life since sin itself, it's bondage just like sin...

number 3, seems cruel but if we were there to witness what they witnessed, I'm sure we'd feel the same way, mind you that comes from the Old Testament, where flesh wars ran rampant... They were calling to God for justice, that they seen their children raped and murdered, and wanted the same to go for their offspring, that they could feel the hurt and pain that YAHWEH fearing people felt... Put yourself back in time and read it again, understanding what they were going through...

[brainfreeze]

Zizou is smarter and more "on" than 99.9% of god fearing folk.

If that's what you want to go with, ok... I'd recommend he get out of those books and go live a little. I'm not talking a plane ride to another country, 1st class either... Start at the bottom with real people and real problems, the pain that floods the streets, maybe some experience would do him good.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Triple_D_Bet sure seems like a guy I'd like to have a beer with.

To be fair, I tend to get a little less rational after a couple beers

Guys bring up so many great points about Jesus.

Interesting stuff, will have to watch that in its entirety...thankds for sharing

Ok number 1, the man is head of the house, that's just the way it is... When one goes to work how many bosses do they have 1 ... The man makes final decisions for his family, " old way of thinking I guess " but it builds a strong healthy family. It's been going on for ages and works very well... Guess your one who supports Hillary ?

number 2, slavery has been going on for ages, it didn't just pop up for black folks, remember Moses ? " let my people go ! " yea, that goes for even Gods chosen... Slavery has been part of life since sin itself, it's bondage just like sin...

number 3, seems cruel but if we were there to witness what they witnessed, I'm sure we'd feel the same way, mind you that comes from the Old Testament, where flesh wars ran rampant... They were calling to God for justice, that they seen their children raped and murdered, and wanted the same to go for their offspring, that they could feel the hurt and pain that YAHWEH fearing people felt... Put yourself back in time and read it again, understanding what they were going through...

Looks like zou has your responses covered just as well as I would have, albeit with a little less patience lol. For these...

The man being the final authority at home isn't any way to build a strong healthy family, just one that puts on a good front but conceals all sorts of issues. You don't have to be a liberal to realize that people are people regardless of their sex chromosomes, and judge them according to their views instead of how many ribs they have

Slavery is an old issue, but also one we've come to realize as unethical. God never seemed to get the memo, or if he did, he sure didn't have anything to say about it...thats mo's point.

Genocide, like slavery, was an ancient reality but is now reprehensible...again, God never saw fit to clarify.

These ancient practices are completely understandable given the time period they're from; God advocating them makes him less loving/caring, more hating/petty, and no better than the humans of the time. Odd how God's views would reflect the views of the humans who made him up "were divinely inspired by him to write some stuff down"

[brainfreeze]

To be fair, I tend to get a little less rational after a couple beers



Interesting stuff, will have to watch that in its entirety...thankds for sharing



Looks like zou has your responses covered just as well as I would have, albeit with a little less patience lol. For these...

If you say so ...
The man being the final authority at home isn't any way to build a strong healthy family, just one that puts on a good front but conceals all sorts of issues. You don't have to be a liberal to realize that people are people regardless of their sex chromosomes, and judge them according to their views instead of how many ribs they have

Sure it is... They work as a unit, as one .. but the man should be the final authority under God, if you believe otherwise, that's your option, ... Man and women are different in many ways, not just " sex chromosomes ", they react off emotion and how they feel, especially during " that time of the month ". I'm not a sexist but this is just the way it is, I take my woman's thoughts and opinions in to consideration on any particular situation. I also go to God with it and apply common sense on what's the right thing to do.
Slavery is an old issue, but also one we've come to realize as unethical. God never seemed to get the memo, or if he did, he sure didn't have anything to say about it...thats mo's point.

The point is, it's been going on and still is... Go check the papers in china on their " suicide nets " at the work places... Just because it's not happening in your immediate world doesn't mean it's not happening..

Genocide, like slavery, was an ancient reality but is now reprehensible...again, God never saw fit to clarify.

Ancient ? Go check Africa bud... Their killing those people off all the time, or what about hitler and the Jews ? To say it's ancient is just like the slavery deal, because it's not in your immediate surroundings, it's just not there... I assure you it is..

These ancient practices are completely understandable given the time period they're from; God advocating them makes him less loving/caring, more hating/petty, and no better than the humans of the time. Odd how God's views would reflect the views of the humans who made him up "were divinely inspired by him to write some stuff down"

Everything will continue to just be " made up " and everyone who talks about it is either " lying " or not seeing things as you put it... If that's the excuse you want to roll with tripper... Your making your own bed on the issue.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Everything will continue to just be " made up " and everyone who talks about it is either " lying " or not seeing things as you put it... If that's the excuse you want to roll with tripper... Your making your own bed on the issue.

This is exactly the kind of crap I mean when I say believing irrational things isn't directly harmful, but encourages people to not think for themselves in a way that leads them to violating others' rights. If you believe women are inferior to men, you don't support equal rights as you should....and all because a book told you it's ok to be sexist

Large difference between "wage slavery" and owning a person, but you'll notice I nevr claimed these things don't happen, merely that we widely regard them as unethical...ont something a compassionate loving god would condone,let alone side with the oppressor on

Everything will continue to be made up as long as it continues to be presented with no actual proof (vs. "an old book says so", or "I just believe these well-understood mental phenomena mean something different than they've been proven to mean")

[brainfreeze]

This is exactly the kind of crap I mean when I say believing irrational things isn't directly harmful, but encourages people to not think for themselves in a way that leads them to violating others' rights. If you believe women are inferior to men, you don't support equal rights as you should....and all because a book told you it's ok to be sexist

Large difference between "wage slavery" and owning a person, but you'll notice I nevr claimed these things don't happen, merely that we widely regard them as unethical...ont something a compassionate loving god would condone,let alone side with the oppressor on

Everything will continue to be made up as long as it continues to be presented with no actual proof (vs. "an old book says so", or "I just believe these well-understood mental phenomena mean something different than they've been proven to mean")

Do you know who started women's lib ? Go do some research... I think you will be surprised by what you find. I will tell you this, they didn't do it for the women " go figure "... If mommy and daddy are out working, guess who takes care of the children ? .. You got it, the gov..or should I say the collective ..

Heres Harris saying your children aren't yours ... They're " ours "

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N3qtpdSQox0

This guy was a governor mind you, listen to this minute and half statement...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lhJCTFZf03A

think out the box tripper, ... Out the box friend

[muldoon]

This guy was a governor mind you, listen to this minute and half statement...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lhJCTFZf03A

Which governor are you referring to? I watched the video - I didn't hear mention of any governor.

[brainfreeze]

Which governor are you referring to? I watched the video - I didn't hear mention of any governor.

His name is Aaron Russo, since it's a innocent question, I'll give you this one muldoon

[muldoon]

His name is Aaron Russo, since it's a innocent question, I'll give you this one muldoon

Aaron Russo was a movie producer. He lost in a primary in Nevada once. I'm quite sure he was never governor.

[brainfreeze]

Aaron Russo was a movie producer. He lost in a primary in Nevada once. I'm quite sure he was never governor.

He also invented " the bikini " as we know it today... but your correct, he did lose. I recant there, but not by much. The point remains the same.. It's fact, rockerfeller funded it...

Aaron Russo decided to run for Governor of Nevada in the 1998 election, even though he had never run for or held a political office. Against all odds, he received 26% of the vote in a four-way race in the Republican primary, while building the largest grassroots volunteer organization in Nevada gubernatorial history. At the height of his campaign, Russo earned an unexpected 47% in the polls as a political outsider, posing a serious threat to his political opponents. After that highly successful experience, he resigned from the Republican Party, and registered as an Independent, believing that both major political parties don’t serve the American public's interest and actually cause great harm. As the result of his support in Nevada, Russo helped mobilize a large enough coalition of people to vote to legalize the medical use of marijuana against the Governor’s opposition. He was geared to run again for the 2002 gubernatorial election in Nevada, but withdrew to battle cancer.

[muldoon]

He also invented " the bikini " as we know it today... but your correct, he did lose. I recant there, but not by much. The point remains the same.. It's fact, rockerfeller funded it...

There's no "by much" - he didn't even win the right to represent a party.

How does that make your point the same?

Your original point was that a "governor" said it.

You tried to give credence to your point by saying "this guy was a governor..."

You've been duped...I know, it's shocking.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Do you know who started women's lib ? Go do some research... I think you will be surprised by what you find. I will tell you this, they didn't do it for the women " go figure "... If mommy and daddy are out working, guess who takes care of the children ? .. You got it, the gov..or should I say the collective ..

Heres Harris saying your children aren't yours ... They're " ours "

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N3qtpdSQox0

This guy was a governor mind you, listen to this minute and half statement...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lhJCTFZf03A

think out the box tripper, ... Out the box friend

I don't care who started the notion, or why; I only care that it's the right thing to do, in that all people deserve the same rights regardless of genetic makeup.

Yet again, I don't care who says stuff: if it makes no sense and has no proof, it's rubbish. That's certainly a better example of thinking outside the box then "this one ancient book tells me everything I need to know and is never wrong even when it is 'cause that I've decided to rationalize that stuff as just a metaphor"