GOD

[brainfreeze]

Inattentional blindness, also known as perceptual blindness, is a psychological lack of attention and is not associated with any vision defects or deficits. It may be further defined as the event in which an individual fails to recognize an unexpected stimulus that is in plain sight. The term was coined by Arien Mack and Irvin Rock in 1992 and was used as the title of their book of the same name, published by MIT press in 1998.[1] Here, they describe the discovery of inattentional blindness and include a collection of procedures used describing the phenomenon.[2] Research[citation needed] on inattentional blindness suggests that the phenomenon can occur in any individual, independent of cognitive deficits. When it simply becomes impossible for one to attend to all the stimuli in a given situation, a temporary blindness effect can take place as a result; that is, individuals fail to see objects or stimuli that are unexpected and quite often salient.[citation needed]


Please, inform me on what I've failed to realize or see... That's in " plain sight "

[Triple_D_Bet]

Inattentional blindness, also known as perceptual blindness, is a psychological lack of attention and is not associated with any vision defects or deficits. It may be further defined as the event in which an individual fails to recognize an unexpected stimulus that is in plain sight. The term was coined by Arien Mack and Irvin Rock in 1992 and was used as the title of their book of the same name, published by MIT press in 1998.[1] Here, they describe the discovery of inattentional blindness and include a collection of procedures used describing the phenomenon.[2] Research[citation needed] on inattentional blindness suggests that the phenomenon can occur in any individual, independent of cognitive deficits. When it simply becomes impossible for one to attend to all the stimuli in a given situation, a temporary blindness effect can take place as a result; that is, individuals fail to see objects or stimuli that are unexpected and quite often salient.[citation needed]


Please, inform me on what I've failed to realize or see... That's in " plain sight "

Couldn't tell you, I wasn't there to see what you missed. What I'm saying is that because of this, the following simply isn't true:

... I had to watch every single thing that happened around me, very attentive, this is how I lived and survived...

People consistently report being very confident they would have spotted abnormalities in these tests, only to be shown they did not. This overconfidence extends to many cognitive mistakes we make, several of which are far more likely explanations for "supernatural experiences" than an entire mythology.

Can't blame people thousands of years ago for making up answers when they had no way of finding them out...but we know better now, no reason to stay in the dark.

[statnerds]

There is no proof, other then divine intervention for a few like myself,

i hope you don't gamble as you have absolutely no concept of math, and this is a prime example of why God benefits from Randomness. here are some other examples i found just walking through life.

heard a story about a guy that refused his silver star or purple heart after serving in 'Nam. few years ago became a priest and accepted the medal. interviewer asked why he accepted the medal and his was as follows:
"I want my children to learn, God is great, the bible is real and i'm alive"
the bible was probably just as real for what, at least half of theh 50,000 guys that died over there.

other one i heard was about some guy in africa that survived ebola. his statement:
"God saved me for a purpose."
bullshit. mortality rate is 70-90%, you were the lucky winner of the random results of disease and death.

and your other post about the miracle of this planet? are you fukkin dense or just fukkin with us at this point. billions upon billions of stars out there and you think this is the only one with life?!?!? again, this entire planet and everyone of us living on it...nothing but results of endlessly random events. another to think of it is, given the number of potential outcomes across the universe, anything and i mean absolutely anything you can think of happening has happened...rain going upward from ground to sky...just anything you can come up with has happened

happy you have peace in your life though.

[muldoon]

other one i heard was about some guy in africa that survived ebola. his statement:
"God saved me for a purpose."
bullshit. mortality rate is 70-90%, you were the lucky winner of the random results of disease and death.

How amazingly insulting the memories of those who died - and their families who (most likely) prayed around the clock for them. This guy has a purpose from God...the others...well, you were 9 years old and finished his work. Sorry about the way it ended and all.

Typical religious silliness though. Treat every person who survives a low chance illness like the lotto player who says they won because it was their destiny.

[brainfreeze]

Couldn't tell you, I wasn't there to see what you missed. What I'm saying is that because of this, the following simply isn't true:



People consistently report being very confident they would have spotted abnormalities in these tests, only to be shown they did not. This overconfidence extends to many cognitive mistakes we make, several of which are far more likely explanations for "supernatural experiences" than an entire mythology.

Can't blame people thousands of years ago for making up answers when they had no way of finding them out...but we know better now, no reason to stay in the dark.

Ok, I guess a guy flying a jet or someone dealing with high stress environments are just not seeing everything clearly... That's what makes the world tick,

[brainfreeze]

i hope you don't gamble as you have absolutely no concept of math, and this is a prime example of why God benefits from Randomness. here are some other examples i found just walking through life.

heard a story about a guy that refused his silver star or purple heart after serving in 'Nam. few years ago became a priest and accepted the medal. interviewer asked why he accepted the medal and his was as follows:
"I want my children to learn, God is great, the bible is real and i'm alive"
the bible was probably just as real for what, at least half of theh 50,000 guys that died over there.

other one i heard was about some guy in africa that survived ebola. his statement:
"God saved me for a purpose."
bullshit. mortality rate is 70-90%, you were the lucky winner of the random results of disease and death.

and your other post about the miracle of this planet? are you fukkin dense or just fukkin with us at this point. billions upon billions of stars out there and you think this is the only one with life?!?!? again, this entire planet and everyone of us living on it...nothing but results of endlessly random events. another to think of it is, given the number of potential outcomes across the universe, anything and i mean absolutely anything you can think of happening has happened...rain going upward from ground to sky...just anything you can come up with has happened

happy you have peace in your life though.

Whatever you say... Other life ? Find it !!! Prove me wrong, I don't want to hear your theories, keep your stats for your own personal preferences, you think all this is random, your choice...

[muldoon]

Whatever you say... Other life ? Find it !!! Prove me wrong, I don't want to hear your theories, keep your stats for your own personal preferences, you think all this is random, your choice...

Funny how the folks who keep their delusions alive by citing "faith" (belief without facts) - suddenly demand proof. Disregard the statistical reasoning - that stuff is just opinion!

Nope, my Sky God doesn't need to be proven, but you and your crazy math and statistics must answer all my demands.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Ok, I guess a guy flying a jet or someone dealing with high stress environments are just not seeing everything clearly... That's what makes the world tick,

That's correct; fortunately for us, they're focused on a specific task and don't need to see everything else, and because they've trained at it, they're somewhat more likely to notice other things. Funny you should mention pilots though; they're among those most likely to have a high level of overconfidence, in no small part because of their experience and because they mistakenly assume it carries over more widely than it actually does.

This is just one of many cognitive problems all people have freezer...they don't keep us from functioning, but they can lead us to not only be wrong, but be overly confident we're right when we're wrong. These are the explanations for the seemingly-impossible things you and others have witnessed since the dawn of recorded history; there's no debate on the fact, and they're some of the easiest things to reproduce (which is why there's practically no end of studies confirming them in different methods).

You've gotta realize that when you make outlandish claims and offer up for proof a symptom of one or more cognitive biases, many people aren't going to take you seriously.

[brainfreeze]

That's correct; fortunately for us, they're focused on a specific task and don't need to see everything else, and because they've trained at it, they're somewhat more likely to notice other things. Funny you should mention pilots though; they're among those most likely to have a high level of overconfidence, in no small part because of their experience and because they mistakenly assume it carries over more widely than it actually does.

This is just one of many cognitive problems all people have freezer...they don't keep us from functioning, but they can lead us to not only be wrong, but be overly confident we're right when we're wrong. These are the explanations for the seemingly-impossible things you and others have witnessed since the dawn of recorded history; there's no debate on the fact, and they're some of the easiest things to reproduce (which is why there's practically no end of studies confirming them in different methods).

You've gotta realize that when you make outlandish claims and offer up for proof a symptom of one or more cognitive biases, many people aren't going to take you seriously.

ok, I know what I'm doing, I know what I've done and experienced ...your life might be some fairytale you've conjured up, not mine bud...My " outlandish claims " are sincere and true, and others here believe them and know it's true... If you and a few others want to think " I'm not seeing things " or " am seeing things " that aren't there... Your choice, believe what you want, it's your life, you have the right to believe whatever you want, believe Bill Nye or the legends of swamp thing... Bigfoot, whatever... All up to YOU.. That's the best thing about God, He doesn't make us do anything, He loves us enough to let us make our own decisions.

[Triple_D_Bet]

ok, I know what I'm doing, I know what I've done and experienced ...your life might be some fairytale you've conjured up, not mine bud...My " outlandish claims " are sincere and true, and others here believe them and know it's true... If you and a few others want to think " I'm not seeing things " or " am seeing things " that aren't there... Your choice, believe what you want, it's your life, you have the right to believe whatever you want, believe Bill Nye or the legends of swamp thing... Bigfoot, whatever... All up to YOU.. That's the best thing about God, He doesn't make us do anything, He loves us enough to let us make our own decisions.

Adversity doesn't somehow make our claims more true. The science is pretty much indisputable: if you think you're immune to cognitive missteps the rest of the human race makes, you're just flat out wrong, not to mention exhibiting a well-known bias

[brainfreeze]

Adversity doesn't somehow make our claims more true. The science is pretty much indisputable: if you think you're immune to cognitive missteps the rest of the human race makes, you're just flat out wrong, not to mention exhibiting a well-known bias

Yes, I forgot visions of random people doing things that they've done in their life are indisputable overnight life changes, are all just figments of imagination .. Smh, you can't excuse my life tripper, I'm sorry bud, but very good try..

[Triple_D_Bet]

Yes, I forgot visions of random people doing things that they've done in their life are indisputable overnight life changes, are all just figments of imagination .. Smh, you can't excuse my life tripper, I'm sorry bud, but very good try..

When these "visions" are far more easily explained and reproduced by science, then yes. Figments of your imagination sounds a little harsh; many people have reached the same mistaken conclusions you have, and continue to even when such things are proven to be quite possible without supernatural explanations. People simply want to believe what they want to believe, without regard to what actually is. You're free to believe what you like of course, but hopefully you have a better understanding now why the only people who will accept your "proof" are those caught in similar biases, while the rest of us understand such things are readily explainable.

[zizoudane10]

Can't make this shit up.... Thank Darwin, that not every person who believes in a deity is as uneducated or plain dumb as this guy. Most are reasonable people who embrace science and just happen to have "faith" in whatever "god" as well.

[brainfreeze]

When these "visions" are far more easily explained and reproduced by science, then yes. Figments of your imagination sounds a little harsh; many people have reached the same mistaken conclusions you have, and continue to even when such things are proven to be quite possible without supernatural explanations. People simply want to believe what they want to believe, without regard to what actually is. You're free to believe what you like of course, but hopefully you have a better understanding now why the only people who will accept your "proof" are those caught in similar biases, while the rest of us understand such things are readily explainable.

Ok, if you want to go with " life is just a figment of our imagination " so be it tripper... I can't help that you don't believe me, just can not help that...

[brainfreeze]

Can't make this shit up.... Thank Darwin, that not every person who believes in a deity is as uneducated or plain dumb as this guy. Most are reasonable people who embrace science and just happen to have "faith" in whatever "god" as well.

That's it ... Ding, ding, ding, where's this mans prize... I'm just dumb

[muldoon]

I'm just dumb

Step one is admitting it.

[zizoudane10]

Obvious is obvious

[zizoudane10]

Step one is admitting it.

[sourtwist]

brainfreeze, you're too good for this conversation with people who simply don't respect your beliefs. I admire your passion, and wish you would dedicate your time to people worthy of it. takes a true gentleman to treat disrespectful people with respect. have a good night.

[muldoon]

brainfreeze, you're too good for this conversation with people who simply don't respect your beliefs.

You respect everyone's beliefs? No matter how irrational?

[sourtwist]

You respect everyone's beliefs? No matter how irrational?

Muldoon, where from?

[muldoon]

Muldoon, where from?

Where do the beliefs come from? Or where am I from?

[brainfreeze]

brainfreeze, you're too good for this conversation with people who simply don't respect your beliefs. I admire your passion, and wish you would dedicate your time to people worthy of it. takes a true gentleman to treat disrespectful people with respect. have a good night.

Thank you for this, I expect the disrespect, it's just part of it... Does get aggravating but o well... As long as their engaged in the discussion so be it...




…14As He passed by, He saw Levi the son of Alphaeus sitting in the tax booth, and He said to him, "Follow Me!" And he got up and followed Him. 15And it happened that He was reclining at the table in his house, and many tax collectors and sinners were dining with Jesus and His disciples; for there were many of them, and they were following Him. 16When the scribes of the Pharisees saw that He was eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they said to His disciples, "Why is He eating and drinking with tax collectors and sinners?"…

12But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

[zizoudane10]

You don't need a physician. (Well, tbh you might...).
What you need is a course in logic. And education. And someone that teaches you how to google the stupid shit you post everyday to see if it was already debunked and explained.

[brainfreeze]

You don't need a physician. (Well, tbh you might...).
What you need is a course in logic. And education. And someone that teaches you how to google the stupid shit you post everyday to see if it was already debunked and explained.

Your post are in vain, DEBUNK already, ...

[zizoudane10]

You are this guy, and nothing more.

[zizoudane10]

Your post are in vain, DEBUNK already, ...

You are the most laughable kid I ever "talked" to. Try Google. Or are you too stupid to do that? Try to look it all up yourself: why fossils support evolution, why the earth is not 6000 years old, etc etc etc...

There you go, for starters (you are obv too plain stupid for it though):

http://schach.chess.com/groups/forumview/18-creationist-arguments-debunked

[bobbywaves]

Your post are in vain, DEBUNK already, ...

Don't sweat all the atheists, if they want to dance with the devil when they perish let them. This life is very short compared to the eternal life waiting for us.

[brainfreeze]

Don't sweat all the atheists, if they want to dance with the devil when they perish let them. This life is very short compared to the eternal life waiting for us.

It's ridiculous... They spend all there time here, posting in a thread about God, which they don't believe in. Their only rebuttal is calling me names over the Internet... If Gods not real, why waste time ? Go study evolution or something, know what I mean ? Why come in here daily, and say nothing of substance, they parrot what they know as it's fact, when it's anything but... Yet they know my confidence in my faith is beyond that what they understand but don't want to soak in why, it goes over their head, even though I break it down as simplistic as possible,

I know there's a few of you that appreciate what I'm doing, and the glory is Gods. These folks need to hear this, maybe their grandmothers were the only ones to ever talk to them about God or whatever the case, this thread is full of information that one can go check facts, and make their own decisions ... but thanks Bobby for encouragement ... I'm not worried about it, let them carry on.

[brainfreeze]

You are the most laughable kid I ever "talked" to. Try Google. Or are you too stupid to do that? Try to look it all up yourself: why fossils support evolution, why the earth is not 6000 years old, etc etc etc...

There you go, for starters (you are obv too plain stupid for it though):
http://schach.chess.com/groups/forum...ments-debunked

http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html

Do these big changes (macroevolution) really happen? Evolutionists tell us we cannot see evolution taking place because it happens too slowly. A human generation takes about 20 years from birth to parenthood. They say it took tens of thousands of generations to form man from a common ancestor with the ape, from populations of only hundreds or thousands. We do not have these problems with bacteria. A new generation of bacteria grows in as short as 12 minutes or up to 24 hours or more, depending on the type of bacteria and the environment, but typically 20 minutes to a few hours. There are more bacteria in the world than there are grains of sand on all of the beaches of the world (and many grains of sand are covered with bacteria). They exist in just about any environment: hot, cold, dry, wet, high pressure, low pressure, small groups, large colonies, isolated, much food, little food, much oxygen, no oxygen, in toxic chemicals, etc.

There is much variation in bacteria. There are many mutations (in fact, evolutionists say that smaller organisms have a faster mutation rate than larger ones17). But they never turn into anything new. They always remain bacteria. Fruit flies are much more complex than already complex single-cell bacteria. Scientists like to study them because a generation (from egg to adult) takes only 9 days. In the lab, fruit flies are studied under every conceivable condition. There is much variation in fruit flies. There are many mutations. But they never turn into anything new. They always remain fruit flies. Many years of study of countless generations of bacteria and fruit flies all over the world shows that evolution is not happening today.



We can do this all day...

http://www.vedicsciences.net/articles/darwin-debunked.html

Although Darwin was partially correct by showing that natural selection occurs in nature, the problem is that natural selection itself is not a creative force. Natural selection can only work with those biological variations that are possible. The evidence from genetics supports only the possibility for horizontal evolution (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, horses, cows, etc.) but not vertical evolution (i.e. from fish to human). Unless Nature has the ability to perform genetic engineering vertical evolution will not be possible.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Ok, if you want to go with " life is just a figment of our imagination " so be it tripper... I can't help that you don't believe me, just can not help that...

You can help it actually, by realizing the truth. If you prefer to believe unsubstantiated claims from millennia ago instead of proven, repeatable science, then there's nothing more I can do to help you either. You've been led to water and explained how it quenches thirst, can't force you to drink it.

brainfreeze, you're too good for this conversation with people who simply don't respect your beliefs. I admire your passion, and wish you would dedicate your time to people worthy of it. takes a true gentleman to treat disrespectful people with respect. have a good night.

Why would anyone respect beliefs that they don't believe in? We might respect his right to believe them (which I think we all do) and the people holding various beliefs (which some of us do), but beliefs are just ideas, which should be respected on merit alone.

Silver lining for the personal disrespect is christianity like most popular religions has the built-in martyrdom expectation, where people who disagree with the belief are perceived to be "persecuting" the believer, whose "suffering" only reinforces their faith...because somehow, catching shit for believing something without proof makes it true

http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html
Do these big changes (macroevolution) really happen? Evolutionists tell us we cannot see evolution taking place because it happens too slowly. A human generation takes about 20 years from birth to parenthood. They say it took tens of thousands of generations to form man from a common ancestor with the ape, from populations of only hundreds or thousands. We do not have these problems with bacteria. A new generation of bacteria grows in as short as 12 minutes or up to 24 hours or more, depending on the type of bacteria and the environment, but typically 20 minutes to a few hours. There are more bacteria in the world than there are grains of sand on all of the beaches of the world (and many grains of sand are covered with bacteria). They exist in just about any environment: hot, cold, dry, wet, high pressure, low pressure, small groups, large colonies, isolated, much food, little food, much oxygen, no oxygen, in toxic chemicals, etc.

There is much variation in bacteria. There are many mutations (in fact, evolutionists say that smaller organisms have a faster mutation rate than larger ones17). But they never turn into anything new. They always remain bacteria. Fruit flies are much more complex than already complex single-cell bacteria. Scientists like to study them because a generation (from egg to adult) takes only 9 days. In the lab, fruit flies are studied under every conceivable condition. There is much variation in fruit flies. There are many mutations. But they never turn into anything new. They always remain fruit flies. Many years of study of countless generations of bacteria and fruit flies all over the world shows that evolution is not happening today.



We can do this all day...

http://www.vedicsciences.net/articles/darwin-debunked.html

Although Darwin was partially correct by showing that natural selection occurs in nature, the problem is that natural selection itself is not a creative force. Natural selection can only work with those biological variations that are possible. The evidence from genetics supports only the possibility for horizontal evolution (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, horses, cows, etc.) but not vertical evolution (i.e. from fish to human). Unless Nature has the ability to perform genetic engineering vertical evolution will not be possible.

You could indeed do this all day, but only one of you is quoting logical conclusions or anything related to science, and it's not you. zizou's link actually answers your reply quite clearly in question 10

It's ridiculous... They spend all there time here, posting in a thread about God, which they don't believe in. Their only rebuttal is calling me names over the Internet... If Gods not real, why waste time ? Go study evolution or something, know what I mean ? Why come in here daily, and say nothing of substance, they parrot what they know as it's fact, when it's anything but... Yet they know my confidence in my faith is beyond that what they understand but don't want to soak in why, it goes over their head, even though I break it down as simplistic as possible,

I know there's a few of you that appreciate what I'm doing, and the glory is Gods. These folks need to hear this, maybe their grandmothers were the only ones to ever talk to them about God or whatever the case, this thread is full of information that one can go check facts, and make their own decisions ... but thanks Bobby for encouragement ... I'm not worried about it, let them carry on.

There are more logical arguments presented in this thread against religion than there is name-calling...this selective memory is another one of those cognitive biases I'm talking about. That's what I don't get freezer: how can you be shown that you're exhibiting these biases in this very thread, but dismiss them as something that you don't believe you do?

[brainfreeze]

You can help it actually, by realizing the truth. If you prefer to believe unsubstantiated claims from millennia ago instead of proven, repeatable science, then there's nothing more I can do to help you either. You've been led to water and explained how it quenches thirst, can't force you to drink it.,

the truth is, we live in a spiritual world, and you can't prove we don't ... I know it's real because I feel it and am conscience of it, and God has proven Himself to me in many ways. There's people that claim the same thing now for thousands of years.. Then there's a few like yourself who haven't experienced it, saying " it's all a dream ". What can I do, but ask you to test God, try my God, and see if He doesn't deliver ... Go with a open heart, and pray be sincere and start following Christ, and give it time and watch the miracles right before your eyes, unless you blame it on coincidence. There's nothing coincidental, everything will happen right on time, every time with due reason in due season, not when we want but when He wants, only through faith..

You could indeed do this all day, but only one of you is quoting logical conclusions or anything related to science, and it's not you. zizou's link actually answers your reply quite clearly in question 10


why is vertical evolution logical ? Do you really think you arrived to being from a rock ? Do you think bananas make dogs ? Com'on tripper people didn't come from apes family, and fish didn't come from birds... It takes more faith to believe theories that are constantly changing hence " the Big Bang ", then it is to believe something that never changes and has yet to be disproven after thousands and thousands of years...

There are more logical arguments presented in this thread against religion than there is name-calling...this selective memory is another one of those cognitive biases I'm talking about. That's what I don't get freezer: how can you be shown that you're exhibiting these biases in this very thread, but dismiss them as something that you don't believe you do?

Then name calling lol, good comparison ... Sadly, and most unfortunate it's close... and you know hate flows in rivers from the other side of this argument trip, no denying this.. Selective memory, really ? Com'on tripper... I might say someone believes ignorance but I don't call people dumb, idiots, and so fourth because they don't understand, so I don't know what your getting at, I don't hate atheist or unbelievers, God loves them, Jesus died for sinners, that we may be saved through Him.

your pretty good at twisting and flipping things tripper when it relates to thinking and the mind, you sure you haven't studied psychology or something ? I give you a E for effort bud, but please understand you can't relate everyone as a whole. There are people who hallucinate, there are people who's neurons fire at different speeds then ours individually, there are some who fly planes, who steer submarines, some who are surgeons and scientist... Every heard that saying there's a thin line between genius and insanity ?

http://web4health.info/en/answers/bio-brain-work.htm

in bold tripper,..

[zizoudane10]

[....]

Yep, like I thought... You clearly a) didn't read it or b) (more likely than a)) didn't understand it. Post 10 in my link explained it the easiest way, yet you refuse to understand and still deny. "Accepting micro-evolution but denying macro-evolution is like accepting there are seconds, but denying there are minutes." - can't say it any better than this guy did in the end.
So we are done here now.
It is all debunked and explained in my link, even that we indeed did see macro-evolution by now, but you are a not able to understand it.
Nothing to discuss with creationists. Can't get much dumber than that. Even the Catholic church is able to understand and accept these easy explanations.
You wanna believe in god? Fine with me.
You believe the earth is 6000 years old and evolution doesn't happen? Congratulations, you are an idiot.
I will happily discuss with intelligent rational people who believe in a deity, but I laugh my ass off when utter idiots like you "discuss" with already debunked shit. Bye.

[Triple_D_Bet]

in bold tripper,..

"We live in a spiritual world" can't be proven or disproven; it's just speculation. You "feel"and "are conscious" of things and take that for irrefutable proof... Even as I carefully explain why your "feelings"are misleading, you refuse to listen. That's not being objective, that's you just believing what you want despite the evidence.

"Vertical evolution" (a disparaging term created to try to confuse the issue) was clearly debunked in zoo's post; it's clear you didn't read it. If you do, you'll have your answer. Your theories don't change? Maybe not the specific belief you have now, but it's changed every time something is disproven, or else people just claim the literal word of God is a metaphor


You could say I've dabbled in psychology... but studying in depth isn't necessary; I've linked you to what you need to know. I don't know if you're not reading or not understanding, but it's not getting through. No twisting necessary; I'm offering proof for my positions, you aren't... what else can be done when you don't want to learn?

[raydog]

its too funny to hear someone say "god has never been disproven" ... when you sit and wait on a prayer or sign, that NEVER comes, god fearing invent an excuse about why god didnt answer ...

bf, you are correct... most here were threatened/taught by their grandparents, in one way or another, about god... my grandma had a early 1900s 5th grade education .. i dont even want to think about how uneducated anyone before her was... gullible, illiterate and threatened with fiery hell... thats what people were and thats why the god theory was so irrationally blown out of proportion... best scare tactic ever created

as for your sign, you refuse to believe anything besides God could be the reason... even though its in black and white in many of our posts, mainly Triple D Bets..if you bothered to read them or zizoudanes link, you might learn something...stop living in a thick fog of denial... im not trying to tell you to drop your god, im just saying there is a lot scientifically proven information out there that you refuse to acknowledge... and you remain in your fog.