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i said if i had to choose...i like that it teaches quality morals...love, forgiveness, care, etc.(all the things people should always have in their heart) without forcing anything on anyone and without giving people the idea that they must fear and try to live for or be perfect for the theory of an unproven god.. im just not sure why anyone needs religion...if its what you need in order to be better, then i understand , but why cant people be good on their own? why do we need church or meditation or books to tell us what is right and wrong? i just feel, as an adult, i dont need anything holding my hand... i should know what to do and what notComment -
Seriously, if open minded, look at the historical evidence for any ancient person. You name him --- Socrates, Plato, Thucydides, Alexander the Great, Cyrus, Confucius, Genghis Khan, etc. even a person like Muhammad who was 600 years later ... no evidence close
It's just a comment on how much or how little one takes to be acceptable. If you decide that you don't like and don't want to believe in Jesus, you can make all the goalposts you want back and forth to confirm the position, given the difficulties.
Christianity has nothing really to do with religion or morals, per se. That's what makes it different.Comment -
not sure i follow... isnt part of what makes you a christian, having good morals (and all thats included) and living the way god wants you too (meaning you must have good morals (love care help ect..again, all that included) ? .. i know so many christians that feel that you must be a christian in order to have or obtain these good morals...its crazy.. they think agnostics/atheist are just bad people all around... so funny the audacity some have... i dont believe in god, im such a bad person..lolzComment -
Nobody really forces anyone to "believe" in eastern religions but the ongoing cycle of reincarnation is said to be something very real. Buddhists not only practice to become more compassionate and happy beings but to also break free from that cycle.
"This is the greater: the tears you have shed while transmigrating & wandering this long, long time — crying & weeping from being joined with what is displeasing, being separated from what is pleasing — not the water in the four great oceans.
"Long have you (repeatedly) experienced the death of a mother. The tears you have shed over the death of a mother while transmigrating & wandering this long, long time — crying & weeping from being joined with what is displeasing, being separated from what is pleasing — are greater than the water in the four great oceans.
"Long have you (repeatedly) experienced the death of a father... the death of a brother... the death of a sister... the death of a son... the death of a daughter... loss with regard to relatives... loss with regard to wealth... loss with regard to disease. The tears you have shed over loss with regard to disease while transmigrating & wandering this long, long time — crying & weeping from being joined with what is displeasing, being separated from what is pleasing — are greater than the water in the four great oceans.
"Why is that? From an inconstruable beginning comes transmigration. A beginning point is not evident, though beings hindered by ignorance and fettered by craving are transmigrating & wandering on. Long have you thus experienced stress, experienced pain, experienced loss, swelling the cemeteries — enough to become disenchanted with all fabricated things, enough to become dispassionate, enough to be released."
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they actually believe this stuff... i try not to think about it, but my jaw drops when i think of what all is believed... i sit and think "how is it even possible that a person can be pulled so far away from reality that they believe in this? why in the world do those people trust this book so much?"
how can you possibly believe in something that leaves so many questions unanswered
i think im done pondering it for a while...
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Really, is that your explanation ? No one could've ever thought in this world that the Jews would be a powerful nation, your water theory is full of holes, and leaking.... Makes no sense, but there's more....
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For people in poverty, abusive, or tragic situations, it provides them with a goal/reward (distraction) to find meaning in a horrible situation in life.
For others, they were dirtbags and harmed others. Not being full sociopaths, they actually have a tough time coming to terms with the harm they've done. Asking the sky supervisor for forgiveness (and "accepting him into your heart") is a lot easier than apologizing and trying to make amends to those you've ACTUALLY harmed.
“Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings."
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Wait, wut?
I don't have a water theory. It was just an example of how correlation means nothing.
Simply because someone predicted a powerful Jewish state means zilch by itself. As far as I could tell, that was your point, that a powerful Israel is evidence of God. It is not.Comment -
hasnt nostradamus predicted much more (obviously, by throwing enough darts as well) should we treat him like a god too?Comment -
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not big on the favoritism that god dude showed Seattle last weekend... you guys see the video where just about ever fukkin moron for seattle was praising god for something or another after the win
.. i guess it really does hate green bay
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It seems we are born with morals instead of learned. Saw a segment on the news a while back with one year old babies.
The babies had personalities even at that young age that showed if they were aggressive, possessive or submissive in
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So, you think you believe in the evolutionary hypothesis ?
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can you sum up that video
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I am a God fearing God loving spiritual man of faith. Make no mistake, I have had an experience and now see the fight between good vs. evil every day. I know the big picture.
Please understand that it is NOT the evolutionary hypothesis. It is the Theory of Evolution. There is a huge difference and only the scientific and definitional ignorant can get them mixed up.
It can most certainly be argued that there is more evidence of the Theory of Evolution than there is of the Theory of Gravity. Did you know that Gravity is a theory, just like evolution, or would you like to jump out a high rise window?
There is no doubt, that through ignorance, some followers of Christ make others look bad.
This is also no doubt true for all faiths, and even more so for religions.
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Anyone can hold a belief when they dont need to be held to account for it...Comment -
99% of the guys here who claim they believe in GOD, curse him out when they lose a bet.Comment -
you're wrong.I am a God fearing God loving spiritual man of faith. Make no mistake, I have had an experience and now see the fight between good vs. evil every day. I know the big picture.
Please understand that it is NOT the evolutionary hypothesis. It is the Theory of Evolution. There is a huge difference and only the scientific and definitional ignorant can get them mixed up.
It can most certainly be argued that there is more evidence of the Theory of Evolution than there is of the Theory of Gravity. Did you know that Gravity is a theory, just like evolution, or would you like to jump out a high rise window?
There is no doubt, that through ignorance, some followers of Christ make others look bad.
This is also no doubt true for all faiths, and even more so for religions.
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The issue I have with organized religion is that we largely worship a given Deity based on a few factors, namely our geographic location, our family's beliefs, our culture, and what time period we happened to have been born in.
I mean, think about Greek mythology. Ask any Christian (or any other organized religion) what they think of Greek mythology, and I'm sure we could predict the responses. And yet, to them, their religion (and their Gods) were every bit as real as the modern Christian God. What's the difference? Should I worship God and Jesus simply because I was born in the United States in the 1900s? What if I was born in India or China instead? What if I had been born in the year 45000 BCE? I wouldn't be worshiping the Christian God then, now would I?Comment -
No. I'm educated.
I knew this would be difficult to the scientifically and mathematically challenged.
We have been observing evolution for a long time as a result of natural and artificial selection. From bacteria to plants to fruit flies and then some. In terms of skin color in humans, there has been an observed shift...also known as evolution.
It's one thing to have blind faith, it's another thing to completely ignore the very talents and discoveries God has blessed man with over the years.
May God Bless the ignorant and may he lead them to His knowledge and the knowledge that He has given man.
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Chili comes with very, very good questions.
I see a lot of “woulda” and what if's. First grasp hold of your situation as it is today, where you are today. When God reveals himself, you may get the answers you seek. There is a spiritual, unseen component to faith. It sounds wacky, but there is, like it or not, a battle of good versus evil out there. When we can shed the cultural influence (and most cannot) we can then see the Truth for what it is.
Please don't mistake faith in the bible and a follower of Christ with "organized religion." There is most certainly a difference. Focus on old wise teachings of our ancestors, and less on the organized religion. Man tends to corrupt the Truth. You are right to have a problem with organized religion, but don’t let that cut you off from the possibility of God.
And as for the current theme of the thread, don’t let believers and non-believers corrupt the word by insisting that the mechanism of evolution somehow debunks the existence of God. The claim that the two cannot coexist is a common, though juvenile, stance at best.
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It's not juvenile ... Either you believe the Bible and the genealogy of it... or you believe evolution as they describe it. I never said that things can't adapt or even make slight changes, hey lizards can change colors right before your eyes, problem comes in with how they twist evolution to make it other then what it is..
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Good questions, let's look at history though... Oldest known civilizations we know of is, Sumerians and Egyptians... Sumerians talk about some sky god called annunki or something, egyptians had horus, and they also slaved the Israelites and made them build as well before YAHWEH let them be freed by the hands of Moses and Gods power and glory...
Here's an interesting little article to go along with your question though...
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Do you mind sharing your experience?I am a God fearing God loving spiritual man of faith. Make no mistake, I have had an experience and now see the fight between good vs. evil every day. I know the big picture.
Please understand that it is NOT the evolutionary hypothesis. It is the Theory of Evolution. There is a huge difference and only the scientific and definitional ignorant can get them mixed up.
It can most certainly be argued that there is more evidence of the Theory of Evolution than there is of the Theory of Gravity. Did you know that Gravity is a theory, just like evolution, or would you like to jump out a high rise window?
There is no doubt, that through ignorance, some followers of Christ make others look bad.
This is also no doubt true for all faiths, and even more so for religions.
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Those who make it an absolute either/or are likely guilty of twisting both the Bible and the science. I respect your faith brainfreeze and I know for both of us it should come first, but when talking about the "they" that twist evolution be careful that you aren't including yourself. Be careful; don't learn the science from mainstream headlines and hype. I'm pretty sure you'd agree that we shouldn't get spiritually fed from those same sources.
For example, hopefully by now you know that the “God Particle” has nothing to do with God or anybody’s sense of God.
A lot of BS out there, all designed to distract from what is really important. I would say in our society, most of the BS is an attack on faith while science becomes the God. Seems the mainstream knows little of both. Of course, in the eternal battle of souls, the battle of good and evil, this makes sense. The bible warns of this.
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