GOD

[Ghenghis Kahn]

[Ghenghis Kahn]

[raydog]

Life is pointless without a God, trust me if I thought there were no God, Id be doing all types of sneaky stuff to get paid, everything in my power without getting caught, online stealing you name it, I dont do these things now not for fear of being caught, but rather another fear, but thats just me. This life here on earth is short, very short in comparison to what lies next, just my belief. No sense in having morals really if you dont believe there is a God.

not quite sure i understand... why do you need to fear a god in order to be good person with good morals? you dont.. atheist are as morally sound as anyone else ... we are modern day realist who see no proof of a god or anything in the bible... we understand that everyone wants to be treated with kindness and we want the same in return... the act of fukking up and asking for forgiveness over and over and over again a million times and expecting to be forgiven, is what really makes no sense to me

[Pareto]

Life is pointless without a God, trust me if I thought there were no God, Id be doing all types of sneaky stuff to get paid, everything in my power without getting caught, online stealing you name it, I dont do these things now not for fear of being caught, but rather another fear, but thats just me. This life here on earth is short, very short in comparison to what lies next, just my belief. No sense in having morals really if you dont believe there is a God.

If you look at the countries with a large proportion of non-believers you wont find a lot of crime. In fact you will find just the opposite.

Back in the middle ages there was a big problem with mothers killing their new born babies, because they believed that all babies would automatically go to heaven. And if they repented their action before they got the death penalty, then they would follow.

Life is so much more valuable if you realize you only have one.

[Snowball]

this is worth watching.

[ByeShea]

That wasn't Freddie, that was just the AIDS talking.

[muldoon]

this is worth watching.

Actually no, it's not.

Produced to to try and influence teens, I can see this being "must see tv" with the end of days crowd.

Wild fantasies and mental illness might make the actions of some real, but to chalk it up to God/Satan etc, is an easy way to try and bolster your own ranks.

Amazing that people (as in GROWN UPS) believe this stuff.

[StackinGreen]

If you look at the countries with a large proportion of non-believers you wont find a lot of crime. In fact you will find just the opposite.

Back in the middle ages there was a big problem with mothers killing their new born babies, because they believed that all babies would automatically go to heaven. And if they repented their action before they got the death penalty, then they would follow.

Life is so much more valuable if you realize you only have one.

The problem, Pareto, is that moral or amoral behaviour doesn't defeat death and corruption.

Life is valuable, regardless. The possibility at a spiritual existence both here and beyond is our only hope at fulfilling our true, proper destiny as humans. One man enables us and shows us the way to do it.

[Snowball]

Actually no, it's not.

Produced to to try and influence teens, I can see this being "must see tv" with the end of days crowd.

Wild fantasies and mental illness might make the actions of some real, but to chalk it up to God/Satan etc, is an easy way to try and bolster your own ranks.

Amazing that people (as in GROWN UPS) believe this stuff.

You didn't even watch it. Anyway, it doesn't matter what your little opinion is.
These forces exist. That's all I have to say here.

[muldoon]

You didn't even watch it.

I did actually sit through it.

Another thing you claim as fact - and another thing you're wrong about.

[brainfreeze]

If you look at the countries with a large proportion of non-believers you wont find a lot of crime. In fact you will find just the opposite.

Back in the middle ages there was a big problem with mothers killing their new born babies, because they believed that all babies would automatically go to heaven. And if they repented their action before they got the death penalty, then they would follow.

Life is so much more valuable if you realize you only have one.

This is what it looks like when one worship a false god

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816766/WARNING-GRAPHIC-CONTENT-Shocking-ISIS-photos-shows-toddler-kicking-severed-head-crucifixion-ex-regime-policeman-Syria.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

This is what it looks like when one rejects God.... Almost looks like the same results.

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/11/02/200-million-girls-killed-in-china-where-are-the-feminists/

[muldoon]

This is what it looks like when one worship a false god

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816766/WARNING-GRAPHIC-CONTENT-Shocking-ISIS-photos-shows-toddler-kicking-severed-head-crucifixion-ex-regime-policeman-Syria.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

This is what it looks like when one rejects God.... Almost looks like the same results.

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/11/02/2...the-feminists/

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Serbian orthodox Christians murder Bosnian muslims: Srebrenica

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4f7_1311676299

Or you could just google "positive Christianity" and 1938 Germany

or

http://www.amazon.com/Christianity-Genocide-Rwanda-African-Studies/dp/0521269539

or

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Burma_anti-Muslim_riots

[Pareto]

This is what it looks like when one worship a false god

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816766/WARNING-GRAPHIC-CONTENT-Shocking-ISIS-photos-shows-toddler-kicking-severed-head-crucifixion-ex-regime-policeman-Syria.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

This is what it looks like when one rejects God.... Almost looks like the same results.

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/11/02/2...the-feminists/

I gave you an example of christians doing evil things, and you give me examples of non-christians doing evil things.

Makes me think of the old Steven Weinberg qoute: "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

[jtoler]

I gave you an example of christians doing evil things, and you give me examples of non-christians doing evil things.

Makes me think of the old Steven Weinberg qoute: "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

Just because someone says they are a Christian doesnt mean they are, you know a tree by the fruit it bares, killing newborns readily says non-Christian.

[Pareto]

But the mother is doing it out of love for her child. By killing her child she is guaranteeing him/her an eternity in heaven. And she is doing it knowing it will cost her her own life.

She is doing it out of love and not because she is evil. Hence the relevance to the above qoute.

[jtoler]

But the mother is doing it out of love for her child. By killing her child she is guaranteeing him/her an eternity in heaven. And she is doing it knowing it will cost her her own life.

She is doing it out of love and not because she is evil. Hence the relevance to the above qoute.

Thats not love, its ignorance of the word of God, its in the 10 commandments to not murder, how can one be a Christian and openly do such, also how does she know her newborn would automatically go to heaven by doing such.

[Pareto]

Thats not love, its ignorance of the word of God, its in the 10 commandments to not murder, how can one be a Christian and openly do such, also how does she know her newborn would automatically go to heaven by doing such.

Doesnt all newborn baptized babies go to heaven?

Cant a person who broke a commandment go to heaven?

If the answer to both questions are yes ( or at least the first ), then isnt it a selfless action by her? If she doesnt kill her baby she is risking that he/she later on in life will make decisions which will send him/her to hell.

[jtoler]

Doesnt all newborn baptized babies go to heaven?

Cant a person who broke a commandment go to heaven?

If the answer to both questions are yes ( or at least the first ), then isnt it a selfless action by her? If she doesnt kill her baby she is risking that he/she later on in life will make decisions which will send him/her to hell.

Baptism is a symbol of being dead to sin and awaken to a new life living by faith, but everyone doesnt live such so simply being baptized doesnt mean youre going to heaven.

[Pareto]

I just searched some christian sites. I dont know which ones are most credible . They were mostly concerned with infants/fetuses who didnt have a chance to be baptized before they died, and whether or not they would go to heaven. They seemed all to be in agreement that baptized infants go to heaven.

[brainfreeze]

I just searched some christian sites. I dont know which ones are most credible . They were mostly concerned with infants/fetuses who didnt have a chance to be baptized before they died, and whether or not they would go to heaven. They seemed all to be in agreement that baptized infants go to heaven.

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

[brainfreeze]

Doesnt all newborn baptized babies go to heaven?

Cant a person who broke a commandment go to heaven?

If the answer to both questions are yes ( or at least the first ), then isnt it a selfless action by her? If she doesnt kill her baby she is risking that he/she later on in life will make decisions which will send him/her to hell.

No, she is trying to play god... her sin will be accounted for.

[Pareto]

No, she is trying to play god... her sin will be accounted for.

Off course...like all other sins. She may even go to hell if she doesnt repent and turn towards God before she dies. Which makes her act extremely selfless.

[scumbag]

atheists have average iq's of 119. christians have an average iq of 95. thats quite the fcking spread. fwiw jews come in 2nd at 115.

i like them jews. when asked who the rate high (out of religous groups) jews rated atheists the highest and these evangelical christian nitwits the lowest.

[recon1]

Doesnt all newborn baptized babies go to heaven?

Cant a person who broke a commandment go to heaven?

If the answer to both questions are yes ( or at least the first ), then isnt it a selfless action by her? If she doesnt kill her baby she is risking that he/she later on in life will make decisions which will send him/her to hell.

All infant and aborted babies go straight to heaven. They are before the age of accountability. Not sure the age when one has to make a clear consionable decision though.

[brainfreeze]

All infant and aborted babies go straight to heaven. They are before the age of accountability. Not sure the age when one has to make a clear consionable decision though.

Just like the law recon, when is one accounted to stand trial as an adult ... Usually 17-18, one can go to war at 18, at 18 one can be kicked out of the house ... Your considered an adult at 18, it's where accountability begins

then there's the age of 10 it's where learning starts for accountability ..

[The Kraken]

There not similar ... You proclaim self, I give accredit to the Messiah, I'm not proud, I don't take " pride " in something that was gifted to me, and my draw to Christ Jesus/Yahshua isn't from friends I've met... It's from manning up and accepting the truth of what is reality... I've prayed for this understanding as long as I can remember ... I received it, I'll pray that one day Kraken, you will realize all the situation put before you, were for you, to make choices... Don't be so sure YOU did anything.

Now that's an interesting concept

"Don't be so sure YOU did anything"

the flip side to this coin is

"Don't be so sure GOD exists"

Are you willing to compromise with me and admit there is a chance either of us could be wrong?

Because Im willing to bet you aren't.

Can Ya do it?

[jtoler]

You guys are funny.

[raydog]

more than ever, educated people are beginning to realize that worn out Excuses are just that, worn out bullshit excuses ..."when bad happens, its gods will and he has a plan... when good happens, god answered a prayer" ... its nonsense... while i love to see people turn their lives around and become better people, by turning to the bible or however, i still feel sorry for them .. what an awful thing to praise .. your god kills the innocent and you make up excuses for it... its not realistic

the smartest people on the planet are atheist... they consider god fearing adults to be gullible imbeciles and as far as the subject goes, i find it hard to disagree... seas parting, arcs with every vertebrae species (except dinos.. well, they try to claim they were on there ... only a few 65ish million years off, but thats okay), water to wine , guys coming back from the grave. etc etc.. its irrational nonsense... the age of so many things tells you, without a doubt, the earth is older than the line of descendants the bible and christians claim... 6k years? really.. you guys really believe that? okie dokie

my ramblings do no good and i mean no harm... be good to everyone and be your own god

[StackinGreen]

raydog,

The beliefs that you delineate are a super minority within christianity, even currently but certainly historically. Classical, Ancient Christians do not believe ANY of what you put forth. Yes, these beliefs are a problem. No, they have nothing to do with ancient, Christianity.

No one knows where they came from here. Western Christianity brought forth the (excessive?) invidividualism and materialism that people love, but also brought forth atheism.

You can't be a god unless you cooperate with the one true God. The serpent's deception was that you could "do it on your own". That is the problem with humanity, the ancestral sin. Everyone is looking to defeat corruption and death, but the only one who did it was the god-man. If we struggle with him, as he did, we will be adopted into his life creating death, and defeat it.

This is the true, ancient christian faith. You will never hear this from Western Christianity, however, which has set up a world of moral imperatives, punishment and unfortunately innovated, corrupted teachings. I can tell you more if you are interested, but for now, will take a step back.

[brainfreeze]

You can't be a god unless you cooperate with the one true God.

Where did you get this from ? No man is a god period ... " true Christians " lay their lives aside and that He may reign in their lives, it's about putting down the carnal, physical, worldly flesh, and picking up your new life in the spiritual with Christ by confessing, repenting " turn away from sin " and accepting the Holy Ghost, why it's called being born again... Only way to beat satan is if we lay down our carnal mind and flesh, and pick up our spiritual life with Christ, the flesh is accused and every last one of us is guilty...

[The Kraken]

Brain, are you willing to admit you may be wrong?

[StackinGreen]

Where did you get this from ? No man is a god period ... " true Christians " lay their lives aside and that He may reign in their lives, it's about putting down the carnal, physical, worldly flesh, and picking up your new life in the spiritual with Christ by confessing, repenting " turn away from sin " and accepting the Holy Ghost, why it's called being born again... Only way to beat satan is if we lay down our carnal mind and flesh, and pick up our spiritual life with Christ, the flesh is accused and every last one of us is guilty...

Yes, being born from above. Indeed, don't be scandalized by what I said, Christ himself challenged the pharisees challenge by saying that it was written in their law that "Ye are gods", that is, we are children of God just like he is the Son of God. Although he always existed, we were created for immortality through Him. I used a small "g" for a reason and he uses these same words for a reason. Our ideas are compatible. I just would not say we are guilty. We are sick and broken and need healing, that is the important thing to focus on.

[brainfreeze]

Yes, being born from above. Indeed, don't be scandalized by what I said, Christ himself challenged the pharisees challenge by saying that it was written in their law that "Ye are gods", that is, we are children of God just like he is the Son of God. Although he always existed, we were created for immortality through Him. I used a small "g" for a reason and he uses these same words for a reason. Our ideas are compatible. I just would not say we are guilty. We are sick and broken and need healing, that is the important thing to focus on.

The small g is in reference to " a judge " not god, he said this when applying to the law, yes, as with the Pharisees .. Try reading it in it's context, brother

[brainfreeze]

Brain, are you willing to admit you may be wrong?

I've said a few times now, Kraken... I've made my choice, there's nothing to bet about..

[scumbag]

kind of weird you're so adamant

i have my beliefs, but im not 100000000% sure my beliefs are right.