GOD

[brainfreeze]

do you think all sins receive the same punishment? it sounds that way....because it seems like there is no limit to how much bad shit one can do to others/society and simply repent and be all good again...you have to admit this notion sounds utterly ridiculous

To answer you truthfully raydog ... Idk, what's beyond, I know there's a second death, and there might be different levels of hell... I know there's different levels of heaven..

◄ 2 Corinthians 12: 1-3 ►


1Boasting is necessary, though it is not profitable; but I will go on to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago-- whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows-- such a man was caught up to the third heaven. 3And I know how such a man-- whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows--…

[raydog]

lol...raydog missed the point.

i doubt it... what was the point of the picture, to you?

bf, ill have to stay away from the debate with you... you are too gullible to see how doctored the bible is and how much completely made up irrational bullshit its loaded with... i dont want you to start having doubts when you look at things rationally and like and adult

[brainfreeze]

lol...raydog missed the point.

1 Corinthians 3:18 - Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

[KVB]

1 Corinthians 3:18 - Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

Fair enough freeze, fair enough.

[brainfreeze]

i dont want you to start having doubts when you look at things rationally and like and adult

You will have your work cut out for you to try to shake my faith... I'm in this until the flesh death raydog... I would wish you good luck... but I don't believe in wishes or luck... but hope you well with whatever, you choose to say or do..

[raydog]

so you truly believe in every single word written in the bible? there is nothing that you read and have serious doubts about?

you see, kvb, i would have to believe in the holy bibles nonsense in order to take any scripture seriously... so perhaps i did miss the point... the image, with quote, only helps to solidify the non believers stance though... i hope you guys can see how the pic is a fail

[brainfreeze]

so you truly believe in every single word written in the bible? there is nothing that you read and have serious doubts about?

you see, kvb, i would have to believe in the holy bibles nonsense in order to take any scripture seriously... so perhaps i did miss the point... the image, with quote, only helps to solidify the non believers stance though... i hope you guys can see how the pic is a fail

How is it a fail, when it's truth... How can a baby believe in something he hasn't seen... He hasn't seen life after birth or his mom, it's related to life after death and haven't seen God... though a baby will see both and all will see what it's related to.. All sinners will be judged, they will be judged according to the flesh, only way to escape said judgment would be to accept Christ and be born again, but we all will see The Judge and the afterlife ...

[raydog]

so you are suggesting that humans dont actually live until they die and get to meet your god? .. eh that didnt come out exactly like i meant it...

brainwashed to the max buddy

all you have to go by is a book full of nonsense and what others have told you to believe...

[raydog]

okay what i meant was that its obvious that the baby meets the mother.. what happens when the baby/human dies is pure speculation based on faith... 0 evidence of anything ... 0 proof

[brainfreeze]

okay what i meant was that its obvious that the baby meets the mother.. what happens when the baby/human dies is pure speculation based on faith... 0 evidence of anything ... 0 proof

That's perception... Some would say they see God doing things all the time.. They would say you existing or the sun that always shines is proof, but I have given a pretty serious testimony, quite extraordinary... You have free will to believe whatever you want though..

◄ Revelation 12:11 ►

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

[Pareto]

The reason atheists do not believe in gods are not because they cant see them. We cant see atoms either, but that doesnt mean we dont believe they exist.

We dont believe in god(s) because there is no proof that there is a supernatural being who is concerned with what we eat, who we sleep with etc. All the so called proof you have in your god, is not any better than the proof other religions have in their gods. ( hint: you have no proof )

[brainfreeze]

The reason atheists do not believe in gods are not because they cant see them. We cant see atoms either, but that doesnt mean we dont believe they exist.

We dont believe in god(s) because there is no proof that there is a supernatural being who is concerned with what we eat, who we sleep with etc. All the so called proof you have in your god, is not any better than the proof other religions have in their gods. ( hint: you have no proof )

Again..... I AM PROOF, believe what you will.

[Pareto]

Again..... I AM PROOF, believe what you will.

What you consider as proof is nothing that even resembles proof. It is blind faith.

[brainfreeze]

What you consider as proof is nothing that even resembles proof. It is blind faith.

Going over this thread.... Does it seem like it's blind faith that I have ? It starts out that way, as small faith, but He reveals Himself to His children.




…19Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, "Why could we not drive it out?" 20And He said to them, "Because of the littleness of your faith; for truly I say to you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you. 21"But this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting."


Deuteronomy 4:29 - But if from thence thou shalt seek YAHWEH thy God, thou shalt find [him], if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

Psalms 119:2 - Blessed [are] they that keep his testimonies, [and that] seek him with the whole heart.

Hebrews 11:6 - But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

[chilidog]

Ya know, I always wondered something. Why don't people worship the Sun? It just makes sense. It provides life, without it we would die. We can see it. Ya gotta admit, it is pretty awesome.

[Pareto]

Going over this thread.... Does it seem like it's blind faith that I have ? It starts out that way, as small faith, but He reveals Himself to His children.




…19Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, "Why could we not drive it out?" 20And He said to them, "Because of the littleness of your faith; for truly I say to you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you. 21"But this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting."


Deuteronomy 4:29 - But if from thence thou shalt seek YAHWEH thy God, thou shalt find [him], if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

Psalms 119:2 - Blessed [are] they that keep his testimonies, [and that] seek him with the whole heart.

Hebrews 11:6 - But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

It sure seems that way. Kraken asked you earlier in this thread if you were willing to acknowledge that there is at least a chance that you are completely wrong and that there is no god. You would not even do this. You are completely convinced of the biblical God despite the fact that you do not have a shred of evidence. If this is not blind faith, then tell me what is?

[brainfreeze]

It sure seems that way. Kraken asked you earlier in this thread if you were willing to acknowledge that there is at least a chance that you are completely wrong and that there is no god. You would not even do this. You are completely convinced of the biblical God despite the fact that you do not have a shred of evidence. If this is not blind faith, then tell me what is?

Does that sound like blind faith ? I've witnessed miracles and I am a miracle, Pareto. Gods real..

[Pareto]

Does that sound like blind faith ?

Yes, because what you consider evidence is nothing of the sort.

[brainfreeze]

Yes, because what you consider evidence is nothing of the sort.

Do you know my life ? Do you know what I've seen or witnessed, no... You haven't, all you have is my truthful word until you take it up with God, recon has given a short testimony as well, but no one wants to hear anything but themselves.... until something happens to them, it will just be blind faith, so be it... but no ones promised tomorrow, but either way, we will serve a master, it's up to free will to choose which..

[Pareto]

Do you know my life ? Do you know what I've seen or witnessed, no... You haven't, all you have is my truthful word until you take it up with God, recon has given a short testimony as well, but no one wants to hear anything but themselves.... until something happens to them, it will just be blind faith, so be it... but no ones promised tomorrow, but either way, we will serve a master, it's up to free will to choose which..

I do not doubt you are being truthful. I am sure that in your mind God is real. Just like I am sure that in Muhammads mind the arch-angel Gabriel revealed himself to him.

But words like proof and evidence have no place in this thread. This is entirely faith. And as you stated earlier you are free to believe whatever you want.

[brainfreeze]

I do not doubt you are being truthful. I am sure that in your mind God is real. Just like I am sure that in Muhammads mind the arch-angel Gabriel revealed himself to him.

But words like proof and evidence have no place in this thread. This is entirely faith. And as you stated earlier you are free to believe whatever you want.

Ok, take Peter... he seen Jesus heal the sick, blind and bring the dead back to life, even walked on water. He still denied Jesus 3x before the rooster crowed, so we can see alllll that we want to solidify the existence of God, one still has to exercise faith and prayer, no way around it because of the flesh we live in...

As for muhammad seeing angels, yes... maybe fallen ones, demonic in nature. You do know one of his wives worshipped " jinns " that's what they call demons.. Research it, the jesus they preach is a lie and is not the Jesus/Yahshua that I worship...


For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

[raydog]

You will have your work cut out for you to try to shake my faith... I'm in this until the flesh death raydog... I would wish you good luck... but I don't believe in wishes or luck... but hope you well with whatever, you choose to say or do..

i would never try to attempt to shake your faith... i can tell that it has changed you for the better and that its as important to you as air.. i can tell it has made you a much better man and i never want that to change... im sure everyone in your life is grateful and very happy about it...

im just always asking questions... by now, you know that... i wish i/you/we could get more truthful and accurate answers for the most puzzling things thrown at us during life...

i simply cant buy the notion that a god/higher power will let us know some things through scripture, but keep us guessing/give no answers for the most important things... i know you say its not supposed to make sense, but to me, it appears that those are just made up excuses that come out when things cant be explained... i lean towards them simply being unexplained/unscripted events instead of questionable ones that cause pain/joy ...

[dect6.0]

Its like porking the fat girl in school with/without a condom. Would you rather be safe or sorry?

Ii'd rather be on the safe side just in case there is a burning pit of fire where the non believers go

[jtoler]

The reason atheists do not believe in gods are not because they cant see them. We cant see atoms either, but that doesnt mean we dont believe they exist.

We dont believe in god(s) because there is no proof that there is a supernatural being who is concerned with what we eat, who we sleep with etc. All the so called proof you have in your god, is not any better than the proof other religions have in their gods. ( hint: you have no proof )

What do yo mean nit concerned with what we eat and who we sleep with? What's your nationality, just curious.

[raydog]

Who we sleep with?

married or not... gay or not... i think that is his point... entirely too much drama being made by bible thumpers and gay sex these days, imo...

[brainfreeze]

i would never try to attempt to shake your faith... i can tell that it has changed you for the better and that its as important to you as air.. i can tell it has made you a much better man and i never want that to change... im sure everyone in your life is grateful and very happy about it...

im just always asking questions... by now, you know that... i wish i/you/we could get more truthful and accurate answers for the most puzzling things thrown at us during life...

i simply cant buy the notion that a god/higher power will let us know some things through scripture, but keep us guessing/give no answers for the most important things... i know you say its not supposed to make sense, but to me, it appears that those are just made up excuses that come out when things cant be explained... i lean towards them simply being unexplained/unscripted events instead of questionable ones that cause pain/joy ...

I sincerely thank you for those kind words raydog. I can't answer those question the way you want because I'm not God. I can't tell you why this happened to that particular individual, idk.. All I know is it happens for a reason, it doesn't hurt to ask questions though, the apostles did so as well, that's where curiosity, thinking and learning starts, so I applaud you.

1As He passed by, He saw a man blind from birth. 2And His disciples asked Him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he would be born blind?" 3Jesus answered, "It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was so that the works of God might be displayed in him.…

[muldoon]

Its like porking the fat girl in school with/without a condom. Would you rather be safe or sorry?

Ii'd rather be on the safe side just in case there is a burning pit of fire where the non believers go

So purely out of fear of the unknown - you decide to believe in the impossible to prove?

And just by believing, you think that gets you out of the pit of fire? Or are you an even smarter forced believer, so you pray and worship every God (in essence creating an "across the board supernatural deity" ticket)?

[recon1]

None of the non-beleivers here are making an ounce of sense. If you can't read the bible prophecies and look at events today and see the correlation's then you'll believe the great deceptions either taking place now or latter.

Brain, i think a verse exist about trying to show non-believers the truth, but when the person refuse and refute we are to walk away for they have CHOSEN. I think the ones here have chosen. You did a great job Brain.

[Pareto]

None of the non-beleivers here are making an ounce of sense. If you can't read the bible prophecies and look at events today and see the correlation's then you'll believe the great deceptions either taking place now or latter.

Brain, i think a verse exist about trying to show non-believers the truth, but when the person refuse and refute we are to walk away for they have CHOSEN. I think the ones here have chosen. You did a great job Brain.

What possible motive could I have for not believing in the god you believe in? I live a fairly respectable life. I dont steal. I dont murder. I dont covet my neighbours slaves.

I am right now seeing my parents at the end of their life, and it pains me seeing them slowly wither away. I would wish for nothing more than for your fairytale to be true, so I knew we could meet in the afterlife. But wishing it to be true, does not make it true.

I have no motive for not believing. But you have a clearcut motive for believing. You want the big payout that religion promises you. The afterlife.

[THam12]

You know....
ive really pondered this for the last couple weeks as a friend of mine spent his last days in a hospital bed before "losing" his fight with cancer.
i still dont know the answer, but its the fact that i WANT to have something higher than us to believe in. Its comforting to pray at night and to believe that there is something of a higher power out there listening and who is "protecting" you.

A cool story that makes me feel as if God truly does exist (many may think its stupid)...

But my buddy's vitals all dropped friday morning and it seemed as if he was ready to go and was on the verge of passing... it could have easily ended there. But his little brothers werent at the hospital, as he was believed to be doing better... his brothers were called out of school.
he awoke suddenly and was able to spend damn near 5-6 more hours with his family before passing later that night.
Just seems awfully convenient that he didnt go at that time when he hadnt been able to spend a last moment with his bros.

For those who dont believe in God, thats ok. but no need to knock someone for wanting to have hope in a higher power.

[The Kraken]

None of the non-beleivers here are making an ounce of sense. If you can't read the bible prophecies and look at events today and see the correlation's then you'll believe the great deceptions either taking place now or latter.

Brain, i think a verse exist about trying to show non-believers the truth, but when the person refuse and refute we are to walk away for they have CHOSEN. I think the ones here have chosen. You did a great job Brain.

Funny, we think the same about you guys. Times 10

When you quit using the bible as the main source for your argument, we can elevate the discussion past the second grade level.

In a 2013 meta-analysis, led by Professor Miron Zuckerman, of 63 scientific studies about IQ and religiosity, a negative relation between intelligence and religiosity was found in 53, and a positive relation in the remaining ten. Controlling for other factors, they can only confidently show strong negative correlation between intelligence and religiosity among American Protestants.^[1][2]

• http://psr.sagepub.com/content/early...313497266.full
• ^ Jump up to: ^{a b} http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/...nce-and-faith/

Nyborg also co-authored a study with Richard Lynn, emeritus professor of psychology at the University of Ulster, which compared religious belief and average national IQs in 137 countries.^[11] The study analysed the issue from several viewpoints. Firstly, using data from a U.S. study of 6,825 adolescents, the authors found that atheists scored 6 IQ points higher than non-atheists.

• Lynn, Richard; John Harvey and Helmuth Nyborg (2009). "Average intelligence predicts atheism rates across 137 nations". Intelligence37: 11–15. doi:10.1016/j.intell.2008.03.004. Retrieved 2008-06-27.

Secondly, the authors investigated the link between religiosity and intelligence on a country level. Among the sample of 137 countries, only 23 (17%) had more than 20% of atheists, which constituted “virtually all... higher IQ countries.” The authors reported a correlation of 0.60 between atheism rates and level of intelligence, which was determined to be “highly statistically significant”.^[11]

[The Kraken]

Does that sound like blind faith ? I've witnessed miracles and I am a miracle, Pareto. Gods real..

You have never witnessed a miracle regardless of what you believe. You have perceived what you witnessed as being a miracle. You are unable to even view random events in an unbiased way anymore. Everything you see, you view it through religious lens. You have lost all objectivity and you have proven this with your statements throughout this thread.

You are not a miracle, you simply changed your life. There is nothing unique about your testimony. I am happy for you that you turned your life around regardless of the motivating factor but this does not mean you are a miracle.

Brainwashed is a good word

The more I've studied religion throughout the years, brainwashed has been a common theme.

[gauchojake]

Kraken is on fire this morning.

[brainfreeze]

None of the non-beleivers here are making an ounce of sense. If you can't read the bible prophecies and look at events today and see the correlation's then you'll believe the great deceptions either taking place now or latter.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h0PuGvEwwkA

Brain, i think a verse exist about trying to show non-believers the truth, but when the person refuse and refute we are to walk away for they have CHOSEN. I think the ones here have chosen. You did a great job Brain.

I'm not talking to any one individual ... Whoever cares to listen or wants to talk about God, we can converse, I'm not going to place judgment on who is who, not my job. There might be a few that don't want to hear this, and there's over another hundred threads they can involve themselves in if so, but this thread is about God, and I think a few have gotten something from this thread, that I'm grateful for. I came for the few, not everyone will accept truth, and those I do dust off my feet recon, but thank you brother for the concern.

Watch link and answer in bold..

[THam12]

You have never witnessed a miracle regardless of what you believe. You have perceived what you witnessed as being a miracle. You are unable to even view random events in an unbiased way anymore. Everything you see, you view it through religious lens. You have lost all objectivity and you have proven this with your statements throughout this thread.

You are not a miracle, you simply changed your life. There is nothing unique about your testimony. I am happy for you that you turned your life around regardless of the motivating factor but this does not mean you are a miracle.

Brainwashed is a good word

The more I've studied religion throughout the years, brainwashed has been a common theme.

Have you seen a baby come out of a vagina? That shit is a miracle.

And even more a of a miracle is a guy still having sex with that vagina after witnessing that.

Praise God!