playersonly69 chip dumping hand

[RudyRuetigger]

You answered your own question - FOR THE PURPOSE OF CHEATING

just like fraud/forgery, there has to be evidence that you are doing it to benefit yourself or a friend unfairly

It's perfectly acceptable to do something that intentionally negatively affects someone else

he admitted it was for the purpose of cheating. hurting a foe unfairly is just as bad as helping yourself unfairly.

like i said, a misclick and being ignorant are acceptable reasons to fold. if he had said nothing during the hand, it wouldnt be punishable either because without proof you have nothing.

a different example with collusion instead:

in a hand where a short stack goes all in and 2 large stacks agree to check it down. if you agree at the table to check it down...that is cheating. now most people would know to check it down if neither got a great hand, but its still colluding if you say it at the table.

He probably DID lose intentionally, but it wasnt to a co-conspirator

seems you are confusing chip dumping and collusion



i don't think its a perma-ban or even a 2 week ban in this case, maybe a day or 2.

[ttwarrior1]

1 person can cheat, 2 don't need to be involved

I bet he is already on tilt with the warning. Glad he will be watched, because that will mean without a doubt , he will be gone soon.

[milwaukee mike]

he admitted it was for the purpose of cheating. hurting a foe unfairly is just as bad as helping yourself unfairly.

like i said, a misclick and being ignorant are acceptable reasons to fold. if he had said nothing during the hand, it wouldnt be punishable either because without proof you have nothing.

a different example with collusion instead:

in a hand where a short stack goes all in and 2 large stacks agree to check it down. if you agree at the table to check it down...that is cheating. now most people would know to check it down if neither got a great hand, but its still colluding if you say it at the table.



seems you are confusing chip dumping and collusion



i don't think its a perma-ban or even a 2 week ban in this case, maybe a day or 2.

i posted pokerstars rule, here it is again
5.8. CHIP-DUMPING. Chip-dumping occurs when any User intentionally loses a hand in order to deliberately transfer his chips to another User.

let's replace ttwarrior for phil ivey for argument's sake. po69 says "i really want phil ivey out of this tournament cuz he is so good and his blinds are coming up". then folds to a 5-1 (possibly so he doesn't have to show a bluff with rags).

i still don't see how this is wrong unless he is holding a big hand. shari's call to poker manager said the same thing. please call as many poker room managers as you can, give me their names and i'll call and explain it also. we'll see if we can find someone that would punish this behavior because i don't think very many would punish it.

[playersonly69]

Shut the **** up already titywarrior!


No one was colluding, no one chip dumped! I have the right to either raise, call or fold IN EVERY DECISION!!!


Maybe if you wouldnt have made your damn POKER PLAYERS THAT I HATE threads, then people wouldnt do shit like this to you.



NO POKER ROOM IN WORLD would kick me out for even a day. I had 5-7 offsuit and I didnt want to show the table that I was raising with shit like that 80% of the time. The chips in the pot were not worth having to call 1200 more chips and having to show what i had been raising with. I didnt tell ANYONE at that time that I had 5-7 offsuit, but the other player said that he had pocket 9's anyway.

Maybe you can be such an asshole around this forum titywarrior! Get a life and STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER AND TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR MISERABLE LIFE! Trust me that the world is passing you by internet warrior!

[MoneyLineDawg]

5.8. CHIP-DUMPING. Chip-dumping occurs when any User intentionally loses a hand in order to deliberately transfer his chips to another User.

THIS HAPPENED IN THIS CASE! ......He admits to folding on purpose, and dumps chips to the guy that in any other instance would make the call

[playersonly69]

I didnt INTENTIONALLY LOSE A HAND GUYS!!!!


Hell I was trying to steal the damn blinds and antes!!!! He went all in over the top and exposed my bad play and I didnt want to show the other players that I was playing shit.


I NEVER admitted to folding on purpose, I just didnt want to show that I was raising with shit

[milwaukee mike]

5.8. CHIP-DUMPING. Chip-dumping occurs when any User intentionally loses a hand in order to deliberately transfer his chips to another User.

THIS HAPPENED IN THIS CASE! ......He admits to folding on purpose, and dumps chips to the guy that in any other instance would make the call

he had no intention of deliberately transferring his chips to another user. this would be a friend or co-conspirator. and he didn't intentionally lose the hand, he knew he was beat so didn't call another 1100.

[milwaukee mike]

Shut the **** up already titywarrior!


No one was colluding, no one chip dumped! I have the right to either raise, call or fold IN EVERY DECISION!!!


Maybe if you wouldnt have made your damn POKER PLAYERS THAT I HATE threads, then people wouldnt do shit like this to you.



NO POKER ROOM IN WORLD would kick me out for even a day. I had 5-7 offsuit and I didnt want to show the table that I was raising with shit like that 80% of the time. The chips in the pot were not worth having to call 1200 more chips and having to show what i had been raising with. I didnt tell ANYONE at that time that I had 5-7 offsuit, but the other player said that he had pocket 9's anyway.

Maybe you can be such an asshole around this forum titywarrior! Get a life and STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER AND TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR MISERABLE LIFE! Trust me that the world is passing you by internet warrior!

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explain it like this to any poker room manager, and like i said, no infraction. and ttwarrior probably gets boo'ed by the remaining final table for whining and tattletaling.

[RudyRuetigger]

5.8. CHIP-DUMPING. Chip-dumping occurs when any User intentionally loses a hand in order to deliberately transfer his chips to another User.

This is exactly what happened.

let's replace ttwarrior for phil ivey for argument's sake. po69 says "i really want phil ivey out of this tournament cuz he is so good and his blinds are coming up". then folds to a 5-1 (possibly so he doesn't have to show a bluff with rags).

ok? phil ivey should have nothing to do with this current hand and your example is comparing apple to oranges.

if you said, phil ivey is so rich that i want him to bubble instead of this guy that went all in, then you'd have a better example...which is cheating

i still don't see how this is wrong unless he is holding a big hand. shari's call to poker manager said the same thing.

sorry, edited it out because not sbr poker manager. i finally listened to it.

please call as many poker room managers as you can, give me their names and i'll call and explain it also. we'll see if we can find someone that would punish this behavior because i don't think very many would punish it.

because you know I am loaded with numerous poker room managers phone numbers?

[RudyRuetigger]

he had no intention of deliberately transferring his chips to another user. this would be a friend or co-conspirator. and he didn't intentionally lose the hand, he knew he was beat so didn't call another 1100.

again, chip dumping and collusion are not the same

[jjgold]

Good lord, this worked up over points? It is funny how the guys who play for pennies get the most pissed about stupid garbage. Maybe you should spend 1/10th of the time looking for a job than you do playing sbr poker for points. It's not even funny, just pathetic

Post of the month!!!

[MoneyLineDawg]

I didnt INTENTIONALLY LOSE A HAND GUYS!!!!


Hell I was trying to steal the damn blinds and antes!!!! He went all in over the top and exposed my bad play and I didnt want to show the other players that I was playing shit.


I NEVER admitted to folding on purpose, I just didnt want to show that I was raising with shit

Not buying it.....You're the one that fukkin wrote in the chat right after that you folded to screw over warrior

[milwaukee mike]

again, chip dumping and collusion are not the same

and again, chip dumping requires a friend or a ghost account of your own to dump the chips to.

what if you have to go to the bathroom/home/etc and shove your chips in with garbage knowing you are beat? now that is going to be called "cheating"?


i'm pretty sure you can call at least one or two poker room managers and ask them their opinion, giving both parties' explanation. i did.
shari did.

[MoneyLineDawg]

and again, chip dumping requires a friend or a ghost account of your own to dump the chips to.

what if you have to go to the bathroom/home/etc and shove your chips in with garbage knowing you are beat? now that is going to be called "cheating"?


i'm pretty sure you can call at least one or two poker room managers and ask them their opinion, giving both parties' explanation. i did.
shari did.

Nah I'll just do this in a live tournament and see if the casino lets me stay in the tournament after I announce I am folding to keep in a player so that the next player up will hopefully bust as another short stack......I'm sure the bubble boy will just laugh and say nice play man

[jjgold]

Playersonly seems like a major fraud on this site

so many complaints on him

Why is he not eliminated from SBR??

TTWARRIOR got fukked here

[RudyRuetigger]

and again, chip dumping requires a friend or a ghost account of your own to dump the chips to.

you are claiming all chip dumping is collusion and thats not the case.

[RudyRuetigger]

Playersonly seems like a major fraud on this site

so many complaints on him

Why is he not eliminated from SBR??

TTWARRIOR got fukked here

common its not that harsh of a crime. thats why id say a day or 2 ban. just a slap on the wrist not to do it again. or atleast not announce what you are doing.

po69 is a good player. i cant sit here and believe he folded with pot odds plus implied odds on future hands after showing a 7 high all in.

[milwaukee mike]

Nah I'll just do this in a live tournament and see if the casino lets me stay in the tournament after I announce I am folding to keep in a player so that the next player up will hopefully bust as another short stack......I'm sure the bubble boy will just laugh and say nice play man

i've been in plenty of tournaments with more obvious unethical plays, as i said when people will say "let's check it down" when player 3 is all in and then he has to fade a lot more outs.

you can say whatever you want, you would be opening a huge can of worms by disallowing something based on that. i've said stuff like "i'm folding aces here" - now do you want the floor called over for that?

the bubble boy would not be so kind, but the casino would not (and should not) punish you for that if no other players are involved. like i said, call them up and ask.

[milwaukee mike]

and i am most certainly not saying po69 is innocent here

but it's ridiculous to pick this out, with all the dubious stuff that goes on in the poker world

[RudyRuetigger]

i've been in plenty of tournaments with more obvious unethical plays, as i said when people will say "let's check it down" when player 3 is all in and then he has to fade a lot more outs.

i used this as an example earlier and yes that is against the rules

[MoneyLineDawg]

Mike- Each situation is different.......In this case po69 ADMITS to folding (and in the process chip dumping) on purpose just to screw over the next big blind-short stack (ttwarrior)

I will call up the Borgata tomorrow......You have to add that the player announces he folds because he wants the other guy out

[RudyRuetigger]

Mike- Each situation is different.......In this case po69 ADMITS to folding (and in the process chip dumping) on purpose just to screw over the next big blind-short stack (ttwarrior)

I will call up the Borgata tomorrow......You have to add that the player announces he folds because he wants the other guy out

[DiggityDaggityDo]

I cant believe that all you guys actually care this much.

[milwaukee mike]

Mike- Each situation is different.......In this case po69 ADMITS to folding (and in the process chip dumping) on purpose just to screw over the next big blind-short stack (ttwarrior)

I will call up the Borgata tomorrow......You have to add that the player announces he folds because he wants the other guy out

But he didn't announce "i am folding right now to screw over tt" right?
was just a comment, could've been a lie, and tell them po had 57 off and didn't want to show a bluff

[milwaukee mike]

i used this as an example earlier and yes that is against the rules

I know, and when obvious stuff like this, for which there is no excuse, isn't penalized, then why should po's actions, which he explained, be penalized?

[milwaukee mike]

I cant believe that all you guys actually care this much.

I only care because i don't want bad precedents set. Then next thing i know, every time i fold when someone is short stacked it gets scrutinized and everyone gets more free info on my play. Or when i push against the same player twice and say "i'm out to get you" then he cries to sbr and gets me an infraction.

Slippery slope here

[Weems2k]

Hate to see the reactions if this was for real cash money......

[RudyRuetigger]

But he didn't announce "i am folding right now to screw over tt" right?
was just a comment, could've been a lie, and tell them po had 57 off and didn't want to show a bluff

playersonly69: i just dont want titywarrior making the final table
playersonly69: i am going to fold here so he doesnt make it

I don't see how you think the above isn't the same as "i am folding right now to screw over tt"

[yisman]

im lost, wtf is everyone talking about now

Fun thread.

This thread is not over until hawley completes his investigation. RESPECT THE PROCESS!

One guy says he doesn't want TT to make the final table.

A couple of hands later he raises, and folds to a reraise while getting exorbitant odds.


The only way you can argue that isn't collusion, is if you don't have common sense and/or basic math skills.

Funny that you're commenting on people lacking common sense and math skills when you don't know the definition of a very basic word.

Hmm thats not what i heard, i heard he would need to be punished, did i miss something.

Yes, you missed a lot, as usual. You should try getting someone with a functional brain to watch the video and ask them to explain it to you slowly, with pictures.

The opinions of other sbr members and people on other forums all say something needs to be done

False. I'd ask you to read the thread again, only I know by now that you possess zero reading comprehension.

exept for milwaukee mike of course because he gets points from yisman and he is buds with po69

warrior, you are obsessed with me. It's pretty sad and delusional. Who am I supposed to be 'best buds' with now? Considering I don't actually know anyone on this forum, I'm hardly 'best buds' with anyone here. I call them as I see them. I know this hurts your feelings, but I'm not going to change how I post.

[RudyRuetigger]

there are different levels to everything.

i.e stealing some bubble gum isn't the same as stealing a car.

this is about a 1 on a 1-10 cheating scale.

it is chip dumping and it is illegal though

[RudyRuetigger]

actually, i take it back that it should be a day or 2 ban.

warning seems ok.

now that i think about it, 2 guys agreeing to check it down against an all in short stack meant a warning from the site. after that, more things happened.

this is only an issue because these 2 have a history. i have more of a problem with sbr saying it is ok. it is against the rules, but most sites are lenient on stuff like that for a first offense.

[BranchDavidian]

there are different levels to everything.

i.e stealing some bubble gum isn't the same as stealing a car.

this is about a 1 on a 1-10 cheating scale.

it is chip dumping and it is illegal though

It sounds to me like you equate folding with chip dumping. Any time you fold, you are losing on purpose, unless you folded by accident! And TTwarrior was not even in this hand - when POS69 realized that he was not going to buy this pot and folded, he did not knock TT out. Who are you to tell another player he cannot fold to a raise?

[RudyRuetigger]

It sounds to me like you equate folding with chip dumping.

do you know why i am equating folding with chip dumping? because po69 said it

[Jayvegas420]

How long does it take to decided.
Besides, I thought John already decided.

[boeing power]

Hawley,
check in pal, how is the investigation going?