playersonly69 chip dumping hand

[Bcatswin]

SBR let's some skate by with no penalties Who would have thunk it

[thetrinity]

if faTTy warrior is a paid poster like everyone says, he should get a bonus for this thread.

[shari91]

sorry, but your call was ridiculous. that's why i didn't comment on it.


its not my job to do the same for free. its sbr's job to make the game fair

how do you figure - you admitted you didn't even listen to it before commenting on it's merits. I presented the scenario and received his response

sorry it didn't jive with what you thought was right... but yeah - you're wrong

but again: The guy deals with people playing poker for more money than you or I will ever handle.

If you have justification for the 'rules' You posted, go for it. Would love to see it and will gladly send them on to Crown as I know between their Aussie and Macau stuff they strive to be the fore-runner of poker play. They'd love to see this kind of thing.

Thanks.

[Cuse0323]

There's tournaments going on this week at the Turning Stone near by me, if I did what PO did and the floor was called over I would get at least a one orbit penalty guaranteed.

[shari91]

There's tournaments going on this week at the Turning Stone near by me, if I did what PO did and the floor was called over I would get at least a one orbit penalty guaranteed.

And Paul said if he laid down a good hand, it'd be worthy of investigation. If he didn't = no.

Not sure what some aren't understanding. But posting fake rules that don't apply anywhere sure doesn't bloody help the situation, now does it?

[playersonly69]

Guys I do play in live poker tournaments across the USA and that would not have been a penalty at all.


THE ONLY PENALTY for chip dumping occurs on a called river where someone gives up the best hand and doesnt show it to give the other player the chips.

And even then someone has to ask to see both hands before they hit the muck, which rarely happens.



Why are people still even posting in this thread??? titywarrior makes his bullshit "PEOPLE WHO I HATE PLAYING POKER WITH AT SBR" threads all of the time. You guys are feeding this fat slob and making him look important at this site.


And i am damn sure that he is not a paid poster, hell he would post 23 hours a day for free!!! Who needs to pay a guy who has nothing else to do in life than post on this site

[Cuse0323]

No clue who Paul is, I assume the guy at Crown. I didn't listen to the phone call nor care to. I'm sure it wasn't on his priority list to really think it through as if it were actually occurring in his room at the time.

[ttwarrior1]

haven't read last 2 or 3 pages but doesn't matter what his hand was. He raised with the intent of keeping the other guy in. It effected the whole table. Not to mention his cussing. I haven't said nothing bad in weeks. Not the first time he's done this either.

95 percent of the people ive asked on this said he would of got a knuckle sandwich, banning, etc if he did this at any game they were at.

[shari91]

No clue who Paul is, I assume the guy at Crown. I didn't listen to the phone call nor care to. I'm sure it wasn't on his priority list to really think it through as if it were actually occurring in his room at the time.

Then why comment?

I'm the only one who posted an opinion from an actual Poker Supervisor - of a major Poker Casino - in this thread.

But yeah... keep speculating as to what you think should happen. Or what you think would. That's really useful

[The Giant]

Did not read every page but it seems like only a few people here understand math, poker, EV, ect.....
PO69 did exactly what he said he was doing in the chat. There is no way he folds there for any other reason than to **** over the other player.
Anybody that says maybe he didn't want to show that he was raising with rags needs to stop playing poker. Everyone has a table image and you adjust it accordingly. If you think it's bad that other players see you raised with rags....STOP PLAYING POKER! Being a big stack with over 20K behind and looking at 1180 to win 7830 with the action closed.......
This thread is so dumb
I WOULD CALL HOLDING JUST ONE CARD.... A DUECE. I think PO is a decent player and would do the same, If he says different he's lying.

C'MON MANNNNN!

It's an impossible fold. Anyone that's ever played poker knows that.

Except Milwaukee Mike. He seems pretty determined to keep arguing that the sky isn't blue.

[ttwarrior1]

ding ding ding, we have a winner

what i dont understand is why people are arguing about what the cards were? as if that makes a difference. people have no clue about pot odds apparently. even if there were no antes and you could put the other guy on exactly aa, its a call. you'd be getting like 5.4:1 pot odds as a 4.8:1 underdog


so please stop with the "he knew he was beat and didn't want to show 7high"


that argument is non existent here.


like i said, about like running a stop sign in this scenario. no big deal really, but sbr is wrong to think its not against the rules.

[Cuse0323]

Then why comment?

I'm the only one who posted an opinion from an actual Poker Supervisor - of a major Poker Casino - in this thread.

But yeah... keep speculating as to what you think should happen. Or what you think would. That's really useful

That's why I commented, just because you got the opinion of what one supervisor would do when it's on the very bottom of his worries of the day...doesn't make it right. Could do the same thing and get a different opinion, but it's not a big deal and this thread is too long and I've thought too much about something involving two players I don't even like. Done commenting from here on, so no worries Shar.

[JACK MATZ]

Jack Matz - I'm not sure anyone is actually debating what PO did. The point is, was it against any sort of poker rules? Not at Crown. Just trying to ask for other proven examples of how he'd be "banned". I got on the phone to ask what would happen to him and paid quite a bit for the privilege to tape it. I'm sure others can do the same for free. Thanks.

I read some posts that said maybe he folded because of this or that. Even Jonh said it depends on what he's holding....NO...It's simple. It's a must call with any 2 cards and oops caught me stealing after the hand then adjust your image. This does not mean that there are people that would fold there for whatever dumb reason......They are called very bad players and we love them! Maybe i'm giving PO69 to much credit but i don't think so.

As far as if it's against the rules of poker. If PO69 was friends with or had some kind of connection with the player he folded to then yes it would be ( unless he could convince the tourney director that he really is that bad ). otherwise play on!

[RudyRuetigger]

how do you figure - you admitted you didn't even listen to it before commenting on it's merits. I presented the scenario and received his response

sorry it didn't jive with what you thought was right... but yeah - you're wrong

but again: The guy deals with people playing poker for more money than you or I will ever handle.

If you have justification for the 'rules' You posted, go for it. Would love to see it and will gladly send them on to Crown as I know between their Aussie and Macau stuff they strive to be the fore-runner of poker play. They'd love to see this kind of thing.

Thanks.

sorry, you are wrong. its not my job to correct sbr. its not my job to figure out who to get in touch with. almost all respectable poker players have agreed it is chip dumping and your yea umm like what if phone call is the stance of sbr. guy doesn't give two shits about what happened here. didn't even wonder what the pot odds were and what PO69 said EXACTLY

[shari91]

That's why I commented, just because you got the opinion of what one supervisor would do when it's on the very bottom of his worries of the day...doesn't make it right. Could do the same thing and get a different opinion, but it's not a big deal and this thread is too long and I've thought too much about something involving two players I don't even like. Done commenting from here on, so no worries Shar.

Yeah doll I'm the same. Considering who the two posters involved are, I can't believe I even went through the effort of multiple posts and buying that recording program. Can only blame that on knowing i had to stay up to receive a work call from Los Angeles. When do you ever see me post calls I make? (And I make plenty)

And really, whatever we say/post probably doesn't mean much. John plays poker and he already gave his decision pages ago. I was just trying to get info from Rudy for my friends who work elsewhere but proof simply doesn't exist. So it was just a boring Internet expedition with no outcome.

All the best to you and your family Cuse

[RudyRuetigger]

If I tell someone I am going to cheat.. and I make one of the dumbest plays possible...uhh yea you probably cheated

PO knew it was the wrong decision at the time. He said I am folding because of ttwarrior. you guys don't think its chip dumping . PO is laughing at all of you agreeing with him that a fold is the correct play

[shari91]

sorry, you are wrong. its not my job to correct sbr. its not my job to figure out who to get in touch with. almost all respectable poker players have agreed it is chip dumping and your yea umm like what if phone call is the stance of sbr. guy doesn't give two shits about what happened here. didn't even wonder what the pot odds were and what PO69 said EXACTLY

It's not your job to correct SBR but yet you've chirped under both this username and the old one? You make no sense.

And sorry pal if my yeah umm's upset you... it was almost 4am here. Wasn't trying to impress anyone - was trying to get an explanation while waiting for a work call.

Now for the 3rd or 4th time: Can you do the same?

"Tournament chip dumping is defined as a situation where one player purposely loses chips to another player with the sole intent of increasing their combined chances of winning prize money"

Back that up. Just one time in the context of what happened here. Show me one site or casino that has that rule. You won't because you can't.

You're a big yapper but you won't do jack. ONE BLOODY TIME.... back your shit up. I also can talk about hypothetical rules... doesn't mean anything if casinos and books don't know they exist as well.

[RudyRuetigger]

It's not your job to correct SBR but yet you've chirped under both this username and the old one? You make no sense.

And sorry pal if my yeah umm's upset you... it was almost 4am here. Wasn't trying to impress anyone - was trying to get answers.

Now for the 3rd or 4th final time: Can you do the same?

Tournament chip dumping is defined as a situation where one player purposely loses chips to another player with the sole intent of increasing their combined chances of winning prize money"

Back that up. Just one time in the context of what happened here. You won't because you can't.

You're a big yapper but you won't do jack. ONE BLOODY TIME.... back your shit up.

Wow, shari is now trying to turn it into personal attacks on me. How professional.

[shari91]

Wow, shari is now trying to turn it into personal attacks on me. How professional.

Where?

I do see - as does everyone else - that the 'rules' you spewed, you refuse to back up. Simply because they don't exist. I've asked you several times now yet it's *crickets*.

Face it pal... you want everyone to play like gentlemen when it's convenient for you. It's not going to happen. No rules against that.

When you find a place that follows your 'rules', let me know.

I think both of these guys are horrid but I don't make up shit to suit whatever side I feel like taking that day.

[RudyRuetigger]

All I would like is a review in text format from a professional, preferably 2. if they both say its not chip dumping, i will make an apology for carrying on for so long. I never even said it was a big deal. i said a warning is all that is needed. I'm not acting like its an end of the world scenario here, just that it is against the rules.

Also if I am wrong I have a bet going that I will cash out 50k points. I highly doubt I do that or even cash any out, but whenever I do cash out, it will only be in the form of charitable donations.

Not meaning to piss SBR off, I don't post or play poker that much. I would just like a decent look into this situation.

[milwaukee mike]

That seems like a reasonable request rudy. But no real casino would get written rulings from 2 professionals for a $1000 pot, let alone a $5 one. The floor would make a quick judgement call, and that would be it. I personally see how they could let it go OR issue a very mild warning.

[RudyRuetigger]

That seems like a reasonable request rudy. But no real casino would get written rulings from 2 professionals for a $1000 pot, let alone a $5 one. The floor would make a quick judgement call, and that would be it. I personally see how they could let it go OR issue a very mild warning.

The thing about SBR poker is almost everyone at the table has an opinion of everyone else through the forum. Almost every hand could be considered soft play or chip dumping unless max bets were reached. The only reason I believe this one to be chip dumping is because of what was said.


I think I have pissed shari off. I didn't mean to make anyone mad, I just disagree with this (and I actually don't mind either person).

[shari91]

All I would like is a review in text format from a professional, preferably 2. if they both say its not chip dumping, i will make an apology for carrying on for so long. I never even said it was a big deal. i said a warning is all that is needed. I'm not acting like its an end of the world scenario here, just that it is against the rules.

Also if I am wrong I have a bet going that I will cash out 50k points. I highly doubt I do that or even cash any out, but whenever I do cash out, it will only be in the form of charitable donations.

Not meaning to piss SBR off, I don't post or play poker that much. I would just like a decent look into this situation.

Ok well, he already got a warning. John let everyone know in this thread that he did.

And you're not pissing anyone at SBR off - You said what you felt and no one's going to be upset about that. But I tried to start an actual convo with you and when you began to dodge it I knew you were pulling 'rules' out of your ass. I may just be a chick but I'm not a dumbass - not when it comes to betting and especially not when it comes to poker. I said immediately what PO was doing, only because I'd played with this specific player. If it was poster xxx it would've been different since I wouldn't have known his style of play.

I know you like proper etiquette - that's one of the things I love about you when I see you at a ring or tourney table. However not everyone follows that and there's no rule to penalise them for it. You're a good guy and I appreciate how much you care about a lot of the same things that I do as well. We'll change them all slowly but surely. It'll just take a bit of time.

[RudyRuetigger]

I don't believe I am pulling the rule out of my ass, but I'm not going to call up or write a letter to online poker managers to get their rules. You did get a ruling in that favor and I did appreciate the phone call but I don't think the exact scenario was laid out. I guess we can agree to disagree on how to interpret the rule. But we can atleast agree its not a big deal no matter what it is and certainly not worth 10 pages

[Br0nxer]

is shari going to the bash this year

[milwaukee mike]

is shari going to the bash this year

I hope so since i have 150 points on yes

[shari91]

I don't believe I am pulling the rule out of my ass, but I'm not going to call up or write a letter to online poker managers to get their rules. You did get a ruling in that favor and I did appreciate the phone call but I don't think the exact scenario was laid out. I guess we can agree to disagree on how to interpret the rule. But we can atleast agree its not a big deal no matter what it is and certainly not worth 10 pages

dude.............. worst part is that tt thinks he started a thread worthy of 10 pages

seriously hurts my life a bit

and yes mike, hope you got + odds on that (if so you owe me and mrs mike a day of drinks, you oyster) xo

[milwaukee mike]

Got 150 to win 150
some people think you dont exist shari

This thread was primarily interesting because we liked the facts that po cost himself chips and tt got pissed off and knocked out on the bubble

Kind of a win-win-win

[hawley]

how is this thread still alive?

does SBR Poker work on Macs yet?

[shari91]

Got 150 to win 150
some people think you dont exist shari

This thread was primarily interesting because we liked the facts that po cost himself chips and tt got pissed off and knocked out on the bubble

Kind of a win-win-win

You should be betting against my non-existence. You could make a killing. Offer lines and see what you can get.

PO shoves with shit.

He's a bully and tries to buy pots by scaring people off.

Nothing wrong with that style but as soon as I read through this thread to where it was at that point, I knew wtf he was up to because he's tried it on me many times in the bigger tables. Sucks for him that everyone knows an aspect of his poker play now but it's not my concern tbh.

[no1here]

TT is not a paid poster as some believe nor a poker player as he claims. He has no bankroll anywhere!

[RudyRuetigger]

One day I'm bored/drinking I think I might type something up to send to online poker rooms. Its mainly out of curiosity at this point.

Could someone paste the exact hand history (including the blinds, antes, and when the chat exactly happened in relation to the hand.)...any reads from po69 at the table? any reads from mih? how many people were left?

I will be including my reasons as to why I believe it is chip dumping, so if anyone wants to include the other side, feel free to write whatever you want and I will add it.

Don't expect an apology or all my points to go to charity since I am doing it though.

[boeing power]

Yes po69 folded to screw over ttwarrior

And why is this not allowed?

[Naz18]

SBR at it's finest here....

[downsouth]

One day I'm bored/drinking I think I might type something up to send to online poker rooms. Its mainly out of curiosity at this point.

Could someone paste the exact hand history (including the blinds, antes, and when the chat exactly happened in relation to the hand.)...any reads from po69 at the table? any reads from mih? how many people were left?

I will be including my reasons as to why I believe it is chip dumping, so if anyone wants to include the other side, feel free to write whatever you want and I will add it.

Don't expect an apology or all my points to go to charity since I am doing it though.

I'll save you trouble as I was in the hand. Well over 5 to 1 for call, says in chat box he doesnt want TT to make final table then folds to ~1100 raise with over 5k in pot. Whether or not he had the raiser beat is fairly irrelevant in this scenario.

Anybody who says they agree with or can fathom folding have no understanding of the game and I guarantee are long term losers. PO says he plays in main event at WSOP and such and makes decent money playing poker so he knows he cannot even argue what should have been done.

Is it wrong what he did? Probably....Do I care? No. If doing that makes him feel better about himself good for him.


Now I'm not going to read the novel that is this thread but could someone please point out to me which post has the odds for TT fighting PO. Thanks