I found the CS was very good when I was there. I got out a few weeks before the shit hit the fan. Their free NT day was Fri. One week I put in a withdrawal Thurs nite, and wasn't paid Fri morning,I called in the afternoon and they said Mon. They paid it Sat, but I decided to take that as a warning sign and stay away for awhile, so I dodged that bullet.
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Best I can tell No Juice is dead. Only shots are that this wire that actually might exists comes through and is very small partial payout to some players. Otherwise, hopefully "Wayne" or someone else will at least share the database to TOW or SBR so any bailout, however unlikely gets a shot. Otherwise everything points to no payment.Comment -
Latest from TheOnlineWishful Thinking:
TOW Newswire
6/30/2006
NoJuice Sports to resume processing payouts within next week, owners say
NoJuice Sports owners tell TheOnlineWire that they plan to resume processing payouts early next week. Over 100 players have been anxiously waiting to learn the future of their account balances ever since NoJuice abruptly stopped processing payouts 3 weeks ago........
See link for rest of story.Comment -
Take a screen shot, may help in a bail-out later, they can have my 84 small.
Beginning
of Week Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat Sun Total
Won/Lost 0
Cash In/Out 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Balance 0.84 0.84 0.84 0.84 0.84 0.84 0.84 0.84 0.84Comment -
As much as I want to believe this news, I am having a hard time putting any faith in what NJ says. It took them 2 weeks to decide to do the right thing. Who is to say, if the above story is true, that they will not change their minds. Why have they not emailed the players and told us this? Why go through a third party to relay info? Right now NJ's word is sh*t. Pay me my money, if you want me to believe anything you say.Originally posted by JCLatest from TheOnlineWishful Thinking:
TOW Newswire
6/30/2006
NoJuice Sports to resume processing payouts within next week, owners say
NoJuice Sports owners tell TheOnlineWire that they plan to resume processing payouts early next week. Over 100 players have been anxiously waiting to learn the future of their account balances ever since NoJuice abruptly stopped processing payouts 3 weeks ago........
See link for rest of story.
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What was tow thinking to rate this book the same as BetFair and WWTS? They were 3 guys in a closet. They should pay everyone off, we are not talking a lot of money. In any case we will be watching for them to resurface under another name.Comment -
It's supposed to be over 300k, a decent chunk.Comment -
It was suppose to be 304 players until AK stole the DB and claimed it was 82 players. Now Tow admits its about a 100 players. If the exaggerations are consistant we are talking about $100k. Tow probably got $50k in advertiaing that he could refund so now we are at $50k.
Whatever it is, they need to pay it. Its no longer "their" money.Comment -
This whole situation with No Juice is getting stranger by the day. How did this AK person get the database? What f-ing busniess of his for him to take it? Personally, I do not give a sh*t if it is 1 player or 500. I want my money. Somebody knows the truth of this situation and it is time for it to come out.Originally posted by SBR_John
SwampyJComment -
The stolen database thing by AK doesn't bode well for the industry. Roberto not responding doesn't look good, either.Originally posted by SBR_John
The three guys in the closet are now only two. TOW not looking very good. Why say it's 300k+ if it's less ?
I've lost a lot of respect for Roberto, lately. Rx and EOG aren't much better with BOS things, but Bert offline for this amount of time with no explanation is ridiculous.
The world is coming to an end , and the big man proves it !http://www.thekidfrombrooklyn.com/vi...p?videoid=1198Comment -
Latest, and final, news:
07.01.2006 (01:39 PM CST)
SBR Bill Dozer reports: Bet4Aces (SBR rating F) management confirms insolvency. Manager Charlie tells SBR that the sportsbook does not have player balances, and the problems are beyond the transferring of funds to merchant accounts. Charlie, who was brought in last month to assist with finances, says he has not been given access to funds as promised, and will leave Bet4Aces early this month. Bet4Aces continues to take deposits and should be considered a SCAM.Comment -
how do we know AK's info is real, Why does it matter?. Also, I have $$ at NJ & Bet 4Asses. This kind of stuff doesnt help matters. It discourages any hope if there is any left. Who is AK, what is his connection. How do you steal a database?Comment -
lots of promises have been made about bet4aces payouts to be available monday.this seems doubtful to me.if charlie can pull it off he deserves credit,otherwise i would hope somone could facilitate a buyout.tow was helpful arranging buyouts in the past but he seems to have been ruined by the multiple failures of his promoted books.i believe,or hope,that sbr will step up to replace tow in finding some closure,if necessary,for bet4aces if monday passes without some token payments.glad to see bill dozier is aware of this situation and making posts on this topicComment -
I am fairly new to the sportsbetting thing. Can someone explain to me what someone can do with a stolen database from a book?
Thanks
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We have told tow multiple times we are ready to help. But we need an accurate database which they refuse to supply. Without being able to verify the true player balances there can be no bailout.or hope,that sbr will step up to replace tow in finding some closure,if necessary,for bet4aces if monday passes without some token payments.Comment -
Why would they stop you from helping? Is this not all about the player. I would guess that he may know more about the situations than we do. I would assume his intentions are for the player. Lets get some closure on this, alreadyComment -
In light of their admitted insolvency, this is the understatement of understatements. For "doubtful" read "out of the question".Originally posted by jumper
That's good to hear, John, and unexpected. Hopefully Roberto has trump-cards up his sleeve, but having potential SBR backup is very encouraging.Originally posted by SBR_JohnComment -
John, might be worth calling "Wayne" at No Juice. He seems like the kind of guy who might provide the database when No Juice finally pulls the plug. I haven't been able to get hold of him, but others have said he has at least been honest.Comment -
Is Wayne the owner ? What does he say about the players balances? Are we going to get paid?Comment -
Doug , people have some serious coin in these sportsbooks. Please,if you have something constructive, lets hear it,we dont care of your 0.84 balance. At least I dont.Comment -
Originally posted by lakerfan
How honest could he be ?Comment -
Hi, first post here on SBR forums. I've just seen the really bad news that Bet4aces is insolvent. I have a very large 4 figure balance with them and am very worried. I guess there is nothing I can do at this stage?
I am sure you will see more of me in this thread.Comment -
$356,768.Originally posted by SBR_JohnComment -
Who cares of the amount of players, or the amount owed. Our goal here is to get paid. Does anyone really know the true numbers? How accurate can AKs numbers be? Where and how did he obtain them ? What is his connection with NJ? Does he work there? How are we going to get paid, that is the only concern here. Everything else is really just bull shit.Comment -
These books need to pay or all involved need to be hunted down. If they want to continue to be scams supported by every step by tow then there is nothing anyone can do.
We will continue to gather information about these thieves from Costa Rica and report it without spin or sugar coating. Tow rated NoJuice the same as BetFair and WWTS which was crimminal and scammy. You the posters and all player sites need to continue to put pressure on these books and those who promoted them until a solution is achieved. They will pull the fade routine and sneak away if they can.Comment -
This was posted by TOW's RPM. Could be good news. Its in the TOW Forum thread.as far as bet4aces and nojuice are concerned, we have not stopped working just because the forums are down. i believe there will be some good news very soon.
We all hope the "good news" will come soon. Also, it wouldn't hurt to give these players who are obviuosly in pain some updates. I'd suggest a once a day update.Comment -
well
I hope some book can come in and get us a fair bailout. i got 3200 bucks which I cannot afford to match or get burned on. any helpComment -
haha i dont think there is gonna be any good news for a while... to jm me and a friend b4aces gots us for $5000 each. yes i cant afford to lose this money either. i got a money gram for 1500 2 weeks ago from some guy in LA i got his name and i wonding if anyone knows if i can track the guy down that sent to me this money... i know u have to show an id form to send and accept money gramsComment -
What good will it do to get his name? What are we going to do go find this guy ? What will that do?Comment -
If anyone wants the direction to this place i will be more than delighted to assist you!!!
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I hope Roberto can get this mess straightend up. I signed up thinking my money was protected. May take up to 2 months for the owners to get the money. Yeah Right. Imagine me telling my local that. Then they are still taking deposits. Bet 4 Aces do the Right thing just find a book to help us and close up shop. The thing that made me so mad was promised a payout for about a month. Now i have to wait 2 more. Sorry for all the posts. Just ventingComment -
One of the RX mods thinks something good is going on with NJ
I wouldn't say that NoJuice is done. We should have a much better idea before the end of the week.
If you have a balance there, please email me your account #, balance, and the date of any pending withdrawal requests. I have been in contact with them almost daily over the last 2-3 weeks.
Text in red are the words of TTinCo ( RX mod) in a thread about these books.Comment -
Doug, I really appreciate the info. Info regarding No Juice has really been hard to come by this weekend.Originally posted by Doug
SwampyJComment -
I don't know what the best way to handle it is. It's up to the individual if he wants Bill Dozer, Rx,Roberto, etc. to assist. Maybe SBR will offer an opinion of how to best proceed.Comment -
I am just waiting to see how this latest news pans out. After that, I am going to weigh my options, if there are any, and go from there.
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