NoJuice and Bet4Aces = Give us official news or better

[SBR_John]

Doug,
I saw your post last week wondering if a book that had fallen to F ever survived and made a comeback. Your pretty good Doug, and NO, I would have to go back through 7 years of history to say for sure but none that I can remember.

We are not asking too much that they send a little cash out.

[Doug]

If there was one, you'd probably remember it. Looks like quite a few got caught with NJ because they were around for a decent time, and started to build a good rep for paying.

[SBR_John]

Persnoally, I think its time to downgrade Bet4aces. Bill and his staff have better information and must have a good reason for with holding this downgrade. But I sure dont see a pulse.

If they were not a scam then why wouldnt they continue to send out a few western unions? Send $25 to each player..SEND SOMETHING !

[yokspot]

It wouldn't take much on their part to restore our faith, those of us waiting for payment. We want them to succeed and are prepared to cut them a lot of slack. But still, apart from just two posters - the one whose friend was paid, and the other who received 1K out of a total 8K balance - we have seen nothing. In spite of the fact that a small gesture would go a loooooong way, particularly in light of the NoJuice situation, nothing is happening.

We are now "early this week"; by tomorrow, we will no longer be "early", we'll be at the "middle"; my patience is running thin. At some point we have to stop being understanding, responsible and patient, and start acknowledging that this situation may be terminally bad and looking for any possible way out. I can't speak for others, but my patience will be fully spent by the end of this week.

I REALLY don't want to see an SBR 'F' grading for a book I have a decent stake in, but I can see it being unavoidable not too far down the line now.

Bet4Aces, if you're reading this and you genuinely are NOT broke, please do the hell what you know you have to do to save this thing. It's not too late, but you're really pushing it.

[jzila]

well i juss talked to john, he has no idea when they are gonna pay out please down grade this book they havnt met there deadlines. i hope these guys can pay out there customers but i hope sbr keeps them at d- for live for all the lies and trouble they put there customers in. im juss wondering how money is owed by these guys i got 4500 and my friend has 5500 in our accounts

[jzila]

my english is bad sorry

[Bill Dozer]

I hear ya yokspot. Once you miss the first deadline and prove your assurances mean squat, action is the only way to start restoring some type of faith...
Send ** from somewhere, ask a neighboring book for a favor and buy some Neteller transfers or offer book-to-book with a cash transfer.

[Doug]

John and Bill: Is it possible that Nojuice took in only 300k in deposits since opening and lost 1.2 million on that ( exclusive of operating expenses) . In other words the bets they booked lost that much money not counting salaries, rent, utilities, and other expenses.

[SBR_John]

Doug,
Its possible if their limits were $25,000 per game otherwise its as about as truthful as their first bank wire to Netller that was lost...that was a month ago.

There is nothing shameful about a new book going out of business. But to constantly lie while players have their hard earned money if their safe keeping is classless, evil, ugly and unforgiveable.

[Doug]

limits were high

NFL Football
Game Side US $25,000
Game Total US $10,000
Halftime US 5,000

NCAA Football
Game Side US $20,000
Game Total US $10,000
Halftime US $5,000
NBA
Game Side US $ 5,000
Game Total US $ 2,500

Moneylines US $2,500

Halftime US $1,500

[yokspot]

Well, we're now no longer "early" this week. No payment. Coincidently or not, live chat is down at a time it's almost invariably been up. I'm now within a gnat's whisker of accepting that this book is gone.

Anyone been paid anything, or know / heard anything?

[jzila]

i juss called and talked to charlie he said there gonna start payin today and all this week... then he told i was last on the list cuz i kept callin and he would pay me sooner or later were is exact words.. so the boys in costa rica are stop by the office today and see whats going on

[yokspot]

then he told i was last on the list cuz i kept callin and he would pay me sooner or later were is exact words..

WTF, are you kidding??? Because you've badgered for your payment, you're at the end of the list? So those people due for payment are those who've kept quiet, and who will presumably go on being quiet, and therefore we'll never know that they were paid or that they were in fact ever owed in the first place??

Sorry, but on the credibility scale that registers as a big, fat zero.

[isetcap]

i juss called and talked to charlie he said there gonna start payin today and all this week... then he told i was last on the list cuz i kept callin and he would pay me sooner or later were is exact words.. so the boys in costa rica are stop by the office today and see whats going on

Are those boys available for hire for the rest of us here at SBR?

[Doug]

i juss called and talked to charlie he said there gonna start payin today and all this week... then he told i was last on the list cuz i kept callin and he would pay me sooner or later were is exact words.. so the boys in costa rica are stop by the office today and see whats going on

" If you want better customer service,play elsewhere ! "

[yokspot]

Live chat's now been down all day.

[tomcast]

I'm not always sure if were talkign about nojuice or bet4aces. I think everyone is at the end of the list for Bet4aces. Still nothing happening for me.

[Doug]

not much difference. If it was me I'd rather have the money at 4Aces, NJ seems to owe more, done less about it, taken longer to do nothing.

[yokspot]

Live chat would seem to have been removed completely. Option only to "leave a message".

[jzila]

phones are down to.

[yokspot]

EDIT: my mistake, I thought the site was down. Still there.

[tomcast]

I don't know what to think. I just spoke to Charlie at bet4aces and he says I should have my Neteller payout "by the end of this day."

[Mudcat]

:wow:

Please let us know what happens tomcast.

[GGZOLA]

PLEASE are there any developments in nojuice scam? I have no where else to ask for help than here; TOW sucks and they shut down forums, major said that you have offered help to some players or something? Thanks

[Willie Bee]

Just sent you a PM, GGZOLA.

Good luck and welcome to the forums. Hope we can help you and hope you stick around the site here.

[yokspot]

TOW sucks and they shut down forums

I'm certain this isn't the case - the forum software is being updated, and this was announced in advance. That said, Roberto couldn't have picked a worse time to do this, given the situations with NJ and Aces, and it's taking a heck of a long time. The whole thing is extremely frustrating. It's like this whole damn thing is in a never-ending state of limbo.

[tacomax]

Funny post from OGD:

how long does it take to migrate a forum?

what, is RPM typing in all the threads by hand?

[ali_g]

No juice is No good! is this the book were a guy name dominec runs it?? or was it ken? im confused! Batty boyz!

[Doug]

Domenic was the smallest of 3 partners, and left the company, apparently "bought" out by the other two. I met him in Miami seemed like a good guy. His departure is not good, IMO.

[ali_g]

no offense doug but dominec seemed like a good guy but i spoke to him before about opening an account and didnt really seem to know much about the sportbook industry... good move on the part of no juice sports!

Domenic was the smallest of 3 partners, and left the company, apparently "bought" out by the other two. I met him in Miami seemed like a good guy. His departure is not good, IMO.

[Doug]

He was General Mgr or something like that. I don't know if he knows a lot. I was able to beat NJ with a lot of correlated hockey parlays. He at least posted at TOW. The other guys appear to be doing absolutely nothing towards payment.

NJ appears to have just copied their lines from Pinny and CRIS. It's fair to say he wasn't knowledgeable if you judge by some of the bets I was allowed to parlay.

[GGZOLA]

I SWEAR itslike having (god 4bid) a missing child; you dont know if theyre dead or what, id rather know if my 5k is dead or alive too. I know yokspot that TOW said they are upgrading, moving whatever, but 4-5 days? Cmon. And if i see that ugly ass curly haired pedafile when i log in to forum page pulling his hair out im gonna shoot the screen with my shotgun next time.

[ali_g]

you know thats very true. a mate of mine had a account with pinnacle and no juice and he told me the lines were all the same! how is the quality of clerks and customer service cause according to my mate the were below average.

He was General Mgr or something like that. I don't know if he knows a lot. I was able to beat NJ with a lot of correlated hockey parlays. He at least posted at TOW. The other guys appear to be doing absolutely nothing towards payment.

NJ appears to have just copied their lines from Pinny and CRIS. It's fair to say he wasn't knowledgeable if you judge by some of the bets I was allowed to parlay.

[ali_g]

hey mate seems like you know this guy personaly! cheers

I SWEAR itslike having (god 4bid) a missing child; you dont know if theyre dead or what, id rather know if my 5k is dead or alive too. I know yokspot that TOW said they are upgrading, moving whatever, but 4-5 days? Cmon. And if i see that ugly ass curly haired pedafile when i log in to forum page pulling his hair out im gonna shoot the screen with my shotgun next time.

[SwampyJ]

I'm certain this isn't the case - the forum software is being updated, and this was announced in advance. That said, Roberto couldn't have picked a worse time to do this, given the situations with NJ and Aces, and it's taking a heck of a long time. The whole thing is extremely frustrating. It's like this whole damn thing is in a never-ending state of limbo.

I agree that it is bad timing on the part of TOW on the forum thing. No Juice has been giving me the same old line for a month now in regards to my payout. I contact them daily in hopes of getting my money, but nothing has happened. I have no proof of it and it is probably just my frustration, but I have a feeling that TOW knows more about the situation then he is telling us.