NoJuice and Bet4Aces = Give us official news or better

[yokspot]

Re. Bet4Aces: the reason given for my failed moneygram was that it couldn't be sent to the UK. I've now been given a new deadline of...yes, you guessed it, "Friday", for Neteller payment. This'll be the third or fourth "Friday" I've been promised.

Really nothing much to do now other than wait and see what happens.

Has anyone other than poster "Cheezy" received any payment, moneygram or otherwise?

[CA_Bettor06]

Good luck to those of you with no-pay situations. I got lucky and got out of there with just a slow pay problem only a couple of months ago. I was offerred a reload bonus and almost went for it but a friend of mine got slow paid around the same time so I held off. I'm so glad I did! That's the last time I play with a book that is ranked below C-. I'm so grateful to SBR's rating system!

[Doug]

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[jumper]

regarding yokspots post-my friend whom i referred to bet4aces received a money gram payment as promised.i believe john is doing his best and am confident that if given time(maybe till football deposits in august)that all balances will be paid.never fun to be in this predicament but a cost of seeking out 40%bonuses.i would like to see alot of new money flow to bet4aces but after all this negative publicity they must realize it will be slow going

[Doug]

so the post-up pays old debt and new depositers are left waiting for yet more deposits. Might as well quit now, and re-open with a new name. These new books have almost no chance in today's market.

[jumper]

a great thing about sbr is they know about rogue owners who scam then reopen under new names.i say give bet4aces a fighting chance.if they survive this it says alot about their integrity.most people who deposited there are probably bonus hunters and should be prepared to wait this out.40% in 6 months is still better than what the banks are offering.

[Doug]

I have to give them little chance. They ruined the name, the name was a reminder of Aces Gold anyway, they face competition from low juice shops, and old reliable -110 places. They probably can't afford to advertise, and even if they did advertise, the low ratings would hurt them.

[jumper]

makes sense,but then why would they make the money gram payments that they made unless to cool the forum heat to hopefully make more in new deposits.that senario seems less likely than they are,but may fail,trying to ride this out.if they survive this i hope sbr raises them from their prior highest rating of d+ to the c level for football.if i were to open a new sportsbook i would head the advise of sbr regarding working models and how to properly fund neteller accts,etc.john explained the excessive 30-40%bonuses as loss leaders to get established,this model screams watch out.maybe they can establish credibility here and go to more reasonable bonus plans.books like this MUST offer bonuses otherwise why play with them when all the others are available

[Doug]

I see lack of volume killing their chances. They need a certain volume just to cover overhead and break even. Nobody will trust them with deposits.

Would you send a friend there ?

[jzila]

i was referred by a friend and i havnt recieved anything from bet4aces... i call everyday and they say im on the group 2 payout which they said they were gonna payout on monday and tuesday, its now thursday and there is no new word. the friend that referred me was sent 1500 of is 2500 withdraw which carried a $75 processing fee guess there gonna make there money back on all the bounes hunters out there...

[Terris]

Take a look at the tow forum, its pretty sad.
Now the bad bashers are made responsible for the situation, and there are still guys with balances at NJ who even buy this.
Dont really know what to say after reading the shit over there, its shocking how stupid some people seem to be.

[yokspot]

Well, another "Friday" is almost upon us. This will be my third or fourth "Friday" promise of payment.

Let's see what this one brings.

[Chuck Sims]

Roberto and his cronies at The OffshoreWire should be ashamed for sending people to these bogus rookie books. And now to blame the people who sent out the warning flags to stay away are being bashed for their downfall. Their site can now be considered a scam.

Roberto now rates the BETonSPORTS Crime syndicate of books as the best of the best to send your money to. How does the man sleep at night?

[WarRoom]

Chuck, I now you catch a lot of heat on the forums for your opinions but I for one love to hear your comments. They are straight foward with no b.s. and thats something I appreciate. Keep it up.

[Chuck Sims]

Thanks WarRoom. The sportsbook shills, and crooked website owners taking payola to promote scam books will not deter me from sounding the warning bells to the posting community.

[yokspot]

Roberto now rates the BETonSPORTS Crime syndicate of books as the best of the best to send your money to. How does the man sleep at night?

Surely the "crime syndicate" you refer to is BetOnStars, not BetOnSports? BetOnSports is D rated at SBR. Even then, I doubt Roberto regards Sports as "the best of the best", just a playable book.

It's a hugely frustrating mess I agree, but TOW is doing his best to juggle both situations to an advantageous conclusion for those of us with vested interests.

[tacomax]

The sportsbook shills, and crooked website owners taking payola to promote scam books will not deter me from sounding the warning bells to the posting community.

Every morning I thank the Lord that you're alive and sounding warning bells to the posting community.

[isetcap]

Chuck, I now you catch a lot of heat on the forums for your opinions but I for one love to hear your comments. They are straight foward with no b.s. and thats something I appreciate. Keep it up.

You heard one, you've heard them all.

[isetcap]

... The sportsbook shills, and crooked website owners taking payola to promote scam books will not deter me from sounding the warning bells to the posting community.

demagogue:

an orator who appeals to the passions and prejudices of his audience

[yokspot]

Well, another "Friday" is almost upon us. This will be my third or fourth "Friday" promise of payment.

Let's see what this one brings.

Three guesses what it didn't bring...

The new deadline is early this coming week. At least, not another "Friday" assurance.

[jumper]

i,m curious whats happening with bet4aces.specifically yokspot,what is happening with you and are they prepared to make another round of payments to those able to receive money gram.is neteller still not available,seems they would have been able to get this neteller/banking issue addressed by now

[yokspot]

Yeah, you would kinda think that, wouldn't you?

Currently, I have no more to report than as above. Neteller payments have been promised for early this coming week.

[jzila]

anyone havin troubles logging in to there account on bet4aces ? looks like the end is coming

[jzila]

and know the sites down gj for bet4aces..

[yokspot]

anyone havin troubles logging in to there account on bet4aces ? looks like the end is coming

From my end, the site's up and I can log in just fine.

Predictions of Armageddon may be a tad premature, jzila.

[gotsteam]

So what is the deal with these two books? are they still taking deposits and wagers as of today? If so, are they still paying no one? Seems kinda odd.

[SBR_John]

So what is the deal with these two books? are they still taking deposits and wagers as of today? If so, are they still paying no one? Seems kinda odd.

Lookingb more hopeless by the hour. When this post went up Bet4aces made some token partial payouts while NoJuice accepted their position as a scambook.

Bet4aces needs to send out some more cash in the next 24 hours or face scambook status.

[bigboydan]

heres the latest news on Bet4Aces. lets see if they keep there promiss.

06.25.2006 (11:55 PM CST)
Bet4Aces (SBR rating D-) players hope latest payout promises are fulfilled. Bet4Aces, which continues to miss its scheduled withdrawal dates, claims they will be able to process Neteller transfers this week. Some players have been waiting for their funds for over 3 weeks. Player inquires over LiveChat today:

Please wait for a site operator to respond.
You are now chatting with ’John’
John: welcome to bet4aces
John: how may I help you
you: A*****
you: You know the question, John.
John: sure and the answer is sir
John: we will be paying finally
John: all neteller members early this week
John: coming week
you: OK, just thought I’d check.

[tomcast]

I'm not getting an answer on any of their phone numbers right now.

I'm talking about Bet4Aces.

[tacomax]

Maybe the staff are all busy doing a payment drill. It's been so long since they did it for real, they probably need the practice.

[jzila]

lets F@#kin hope so!!!!

[yokspot]

Maybe the staff are all busy doing a payment drill. It's been so long since they did it for real, they probably need the practice.

[Doug]

If both of these books paid does anybody think they could ever become viable books in the future ? I don't.

Has any book ever come back from something like this ?

[tomcast]

I got through to bet4Aces on the phone. No one answered the customer service number but wagering answered.

They said I would get paid this weekend. They said that if Neteller wasn't ready for the weekend I could get moneygram or western union.

[jzila]

ok so pinnacle juss put up some lines on bet4aces payouts:
wed. +1500
thurs. +1250
friday. +1000
anytime after that +100000
put ur bets in now