Changes to the SBR point system: Effective Feb 15

[trixtrix]

patrick bateman is big time, trix aint jack, girls in chili spit at me when i stroll in.

[Kaabee]

One more thing about the new measures for non-pros. Since now the non-pros can only transfer 2 points per day (starting on Feb 15) why don't we eliminate the 1% rake fee for all the Pros?

don't both parties get raked? so it's really 2%?

[OmgUrMom]

i think the rake was implemented to discourage loaning, which still applys. I may be wrong about that tho.......

[Kaabee]

i think the rake was implemented to discourage loaning, which still applys. I may be wrong about that tho.......

it also makes it so people can't bet juice-free amongst themselves

[pavyracer]

i think the rake was implemented to discourage loaning, which still applys. I may be wrong about that tho.......

But 99% of the posters who get loans are non-pros. So why punish the Pros with a tax that was originally implemented for the non-pros.

[aceking]

I wonder how long SBR sportsbook can survive , with thieves devoid of scruples exploiting loopholes .

I'm sure the damage is worse than 100 ghosts accounts , they only steal 600 points daily , not 87797 points .

[cloudagh]

give us the pix trix

[MBENZ]

don't both parties get raked? so it's really 2%?

When you do a special line contest it can be 4% if you set it up and lose.

[OmgUrMom]

But 99% of the posters who get loans are non-pros. So why punish the Pros with a tax that was originally implemented for the non-pros.

i agree they should do away with it

[RudyRuetigger]

I totally agree with this one. But it appears that John still wants the traffic from the non-pros and there are some very good contributing non-pros here who for their own reasons don't need to become Pros. Something needs to be done to separate the freeloader non-pros from the non-pros who post regularly but don't want Pro status.

i agree, there are alot of good guys that arent a pro and contribute alot and/or here for handicapping..sharper2, sickler, eddiemoneyline.. could prolly name 10 more..these guys give their points away and are clearly not here for the points. its just that for every 1 of these guys there are 100 others here for the points only and/or to scam sbr

[chilidog]

I wonder how long SBR sportsbook can survive , with thieves devoid of scruples exploiting loopholes .

I'm sure the damage is worse than 100 ghosts accounts , they only steal 600 points daily , not 87797 points .

You seem to have an unhealthy fixation on trixtrix...

[trixtrix]

I wonder how long SBR sportsbook can survive , with thieves devoid of scruples exploiting loopholes .

I'm sure the damage is worse than 100 ghosts accounts , they only steal 600 points daily , not 87797 points .

really, we are going to keep going back to this?

i have SPENT 1k+ pts, you have SPENT 4k+ pts.

you think a book goes under when there's a big winner who never cashed out or when there's a ton of small bonus players making cash withdraws?

but don't worry, in your book you'd ve stolen all the winner's money anyways, using this as your justification, as your posts clearly indicates your thieving mentality.

[ThaddeusB]

One more thing about the new measures for non-pros. Since now the non-pros can only transfer 2 points per day (starting on Feb 15) why don't we eliminate the 1% rake fee for all the Pros?

[OmgUrMom]

I wonder how long SBR sportsbook can survive , with thieves devoid of scruples exploiting loopholes .

I'm sure the damage is worse than 100 ghosts accounts , they only steal 600 points daily , not 87797 points .

how brain dead are you exactly?

[Arsenal]

i think the rake was implemented to discourage loaning, which still applys. I may be wrong about that tho.......

No the rake was implemented to kill off the points bookies like Mexican Stallion. They wanted people to bet and lose in the SBR Sportsbook. As you can see from a post made by John yesterday he has no problems with posters loaning points.

We are not trying to stop the lending and repaying market. In fact, I think we all kind of enjoy it.

It's been a year+ and we need to make a couple of fundamental tweaks to keep the abusers from degrading the program.

[OmgUrMom]

No the rake was implemented to kill off the points bookies like Mexican Stallion. They wanted people to bet and lose in the SBR Sportsbook. As you can see from a post made by John yesterday he has no problems with posters loaning points.

ok that makes sense too.

And also makes more sense as to why they would keep it, as if they do away with it wouldn't their be a good chance of someone starting up a points book with reduced juice?

[ThaddeusB]

I wonder how long SBR sportsbook can survive , with thieves devoid of scruples exploiting loopholes .

I'm sure the damage is worse than 100 ghosts accounts , they only steal 600 points daily , not 87797 points .

Oh please, trixtrix didn't steal anything. He won his points at the book fair and square. (For the record, I believe he actual had >10k before this even began.) By your logic SBR is stealing from every poster who loses in the sportsbook (which is very many). If John says he doesn't have a problem with trix winning, then why do you?

[aceking]

how brain dead are you exactly?

your mommy wasn't born yet when I was betting in 2005 .

[RudyRuetigger]

IMO going forward we need separation. 1 contest where only pros can enter to win sportsbook money. 1 contest where nonpros enter to win points.

2BTP's
2Moneyball Shootouts
2NCAA Bracket Contest

[Arsenal]

ok that makes sense too.

And also makes more sense as to why they would keep it, as if they do away with it wouldn't their be a good chance of someone starting up a points book with reduced juice?

Correct

If they got rid of the rake, more points books would open. That's why, I think, the rake fee is going nowhere.

[ThaddeusB]

ok that makes sense too.

And also makes more sense as to why they would keep it, as if they do away with it wouldn't their be a good chance of someone starting up a points book with reduced juice?

Seems someone is doing that already.


If the rake is truly to prevent pointsbooks, then SBR should just say so instead of penalizing everyone for every transaction. It is especially stupid to charge someone for giving their points away. I suspect the rake was implemented at least partially to discourage fraud (although obviously not effectively).

[aceking]

He probably found another loophole in the book. He was the one who got parlays shut off on soccer wagers.

he also ruined the soccer parlays for everybody as well.

trixtrix isn't on a tear. He is just extremely competent at exploiting sportsbook mispricings and weaknesses. If you do nothing, he will continue his current trend.

Hardly a stalemate.

Status quo: everytime you wack the SBRbook, I look at what you did and fix it. Eventually, the only value you'll have is picking off slow-moving lines. It will be a very slow bleed until SBR decides to fix it.

SBR does appreciate all your help in fixing money leaks.

The problem with this is that SBR Book is offered as a service to the SBR members. SBR Book is not for profit. SBR Book doesn't make any money (like the real cash sportbooks you can shop at and exploit weaknesses). So if the SBR Book is indefinitely being exploited for mispricings and weaknesses two things will happen. They will either close the SBR Book or dramatically increase the prices at the SBR Store. And then you will end up with 1000 pissed off members and one happy winner who exploited the mispricings and the weaknesses of the SBR book.

wow didn't know you have so many friends .

[pavyracer]

Seems someone is doing that already.


If the rake is truly to prevent pointsbooks, then SBR should just say so instead of penalizing everyone for every transaction. It is especially stupid to charge someone for giving their points away. I suspect the rake was implemented at least partially to discourage fraud (although obviously not effectively).

This makes sense. Ban points bookies and deduct points with fines on point book wannabees. But to charge 2% fee both ways for donation of points to St Jude is preposterous.

[OmgUrMom]

your mommy wasn't born yet when I was betting in 2005 .

god i hope thats a level

[trixtrix]

lol, okay ace-king you have more friends than me, as it's obv in this thread everyone supports your fixation on me.

lolol, you began betting in 05 and yet still have to resort to asking for a loan on sbr pts so you can blow it all in pts store, pts you have yet to earn.

good going jackass, i'm sure you will have many happy returns and friendly posters since you adovocate a book to steal their customers winnings.
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[Terrapin Station]

IMO going forward we need separation. 1 contest where only pros can enter to win sportsbook money. 1 contest where nonpros enter to win points.

2BTP's
2Moneyball Shootouts
2NCAA Bracket Contest

Seems like a great idea to me.

[milwaukee mike]

aceking and trixtrix please stop your pissing contest

aceking, even if people agree with you, there's no reason to say something a million times
trixtrix, same thing and 2 other things 1) it doesn't really matter if you have spent the points or not, if you feel you got them through legitimate means then that's all that matters. if you feel guilty about how you got them then just your lack of spending them "yet" has no moral high ground - ship them back. if you don't feel guilty then you don't have to defend your actions to anyone but sbr and they have already said they're ok with it. 2) why did you get money "stolen" from those books and why couldn't sbr do anything about it?

[Arsenal]

Seems someone is doing that already.


If the rake is truly to prevent pointsbooks, then SBR should just say so instead of penalizing everyone for every transaction. It is especially stupid to charge someone for giving their points away. I suspect the rake was implemented at least partially to discourage fraud (although obviously not effectively).

Thaddeus the rake was implemented before you were posting here. Here is a pretty good explanation by John for the rake. I was too harsh in my saying their reason was to kill the books.

So far the transfer fee is getting a lot of PR and working fine. Its voluntary, no one is required to transfer any points or pay this fee ever. The nominal 1% is too low, should be 2% or maybe higher. Its a way to get the black market to help share the expenses of the points system and so far its working perfectly except 1% is just too low.

[Kaabee]

it's already 2% SBR_John (both sides get hit).

[SBR_John]

No the rake was implemented to kill off the points bookies like Mexican Stallion. They wanted people to bet and lose in the SBR Sportsbook. As you can see from a post made by John yesterday he has no problems with posters loaning points.

I think more correctly we wanted to even the playing field. SBR pays for everything and then lets a forum bookie with zero costs come in and book points way lower than the book at SBR???....now I'm not a Wharton School of Business graduate but the teeter-totter seemed a little stuck under that model. I'm not totally opposed to looking at the transfer fee but I am opposed to not being able to compete with the booking part of the points program. If we turned back time and allowed the cut rate forum bookies, something would have to give to replace the points SBR earns off the sportsbook operation. So if we rolled back that fee it would be offset with a large jump in store prices or a cut in the amount of points awarded daily or a combination thereof. This may fall under the category of be careful what you wish for.

[Richards]

Adding my 2 cents here (or is it 0.33 points?).

I'm all for efforts to evolve the program to prevent abuse of the system. I think the changes mentioned will help.

I TOTALLY agree with points by Rudy and Pavyracer and others that adding minimums like post count will not do anything but add tons of meaningless off-topic "no-content" posts. I think there is another class of posts where the user posts something that is technically on-topic but it's clear they ignored all the previous messages in the thread to jam their post in. These aren't as bad but I suspect many of them are "points motivated."

I would hate to see the points system/points book/store go away because admittedly it's a lot of FUN for me it adds an element not found on other forums. That said I'd still come here if the points were gone for the content alone.

On the other hand I think it's clear there are some users here for which the points are their primary motivation for visiting. I guess it has to eventually be decided if these users are an asset or liability to SBR.

In this forum or any other that has such a ton of valuable content, a new user might be inclined to be read-only while they are learning the ins and outs of the forum, and maybe even new to sports betting. They might be a valuable contributor in the future. I don't know that we want to scare them away by having all sorts of minimum post limits and other things in their face the first day they join and are still trying to decide if SBR is a valuable resource.

[trixtrix]

aceking and trixtrix please stop your pissing contest

aceking, even if people agree with you, there's no reason to say something a million times
trixtrix, same thing and 2 other things 1) it doesn't really matter if you have spent the points or not, if you feel you got them through legitimate means then that's all that matters. if you feel guilty about how you got them then just your lack of spending them "yet" has no moral high ground - ship them back. if you don't feel guilty then you don't have to defend your actions to anyone but sbr and they have already said they're ok with it. 2) why did you get money "stolen" from those books and why couldn't sbr do anything about it?

lol at the pissing contest, in case you have not noticed, i have been trying to defend myself against his personal attacks the whole time. aceking is inconsequential to me, and no i'm not interested in further dialog w/ him if he replied in kind. and if you followed the history of our posts you can obv see that. and that's what all the rest of the posters sees as well.

the only thing that "mattered" personally to me was aceking advocating that books steals from its winners as a recourse, a truly disgusting position to take.

obv i don't feel guilty and neither does sbr. yet for some reason, aceking is obsessed w/ me.

if you do a search on sbr's front page on wagerweb (2009) and sportsbook.com (2007) you will see exactly the history of thefts and sbr's response to them. both scumbag sites stole the funds and refused to abide by sbr's ruling which caused their ratings to go down as a result.

[GRUMPERZ]

SBR does appreciate all your help

Yes, thank you.

[GRUMPERZ]

They lie, they cheat, they steal.

You idiots need proof to take me seriously???

Still waiting for the day the coward Justin7 contacts me. Biggest hypocrite of them all.

[trixtrix]

GRUMPERZ, maybe it would help if you clarified exactly the chain of events that took place, for those of us who have no idea regarding your dispute w/ sbr