Changes to the SBR point system: Effective Feb 15

[frostno98]

We'll at least wannabe Pro's are still eligible for the SBR t-shirt and freeplays

[sweethook]

i like this site, and like any game in life if you want to play just play by the rules , gl all

[3PtShooter]

"When all the laughter died in sorrow"

[3PtShooter]

us non pro's just got to GRIND it out more,,,,just hope they still let us play the triple crown contest and beat the prick,,,,getting less and less sports info and thoughts anymore,,,

[RudyRuetigger]

I cant believe pavy is saying how it is a good deal to become an SBR Pro after all that arguing he did about why hes not a pro

golden state 1q is my best play

if looking for early action, i have stetson +8.5 but not that great of a play

oh yea and 2-0 here

[3PtShooter]

ya got to understand too that a small percentage of us can not join certain offshore books and such due to past employment and other personal safeguards,, but enjoy being a non pro just to play around with SBR crew..Lou and Reload have some of the better contest on the net,,even if you dont play em you can get some gambling info from them

[Dirty Sanchez]

SBR is a great forum...and they need to have some "safety valves" with all of the shady people trying to pull scams and trying to take advantage of the system. Simple fact is becoming a "Pro" is easy and has a ton of benefits. If you're looking to getting something for free, the noose just tightened...and will probably get tighter. The days of bending the system for free pizza's and the like or over....nothing in this world is free.

[ThaddeusB]

i love how the worms (read: nonpros) come out of the woodshed now to blame me for this, as i'm sure they would.

except:

1.) i never transferred pts or committed fraud
2.) i never cashed in my pts

so obv changes to both the transfer systems and the price inflation cannot be attributed to me.

if this was a separate countermeasure against me specifically they would've implemented the price increase immediately to prevent me from cashing out immediately.

the amount of illogic is astounding. i am glad that my stated intention was to cash out after superbowl and before price jump though, should i have a reasonable balance remaining.

on the bright side, now all non-pros need not be concerned any further w/ whatever actions i take and can just concentrate on themselves

esp funny in this thread is the behaviour of one "crustyme", who is a non-pro, and has repeatedly emphasized the "worthlessness" of sbr pts. yet all of a sudden he's pissing his pants due to the upcoming regulations. you're a winner, champ, and pts obv are meaningless to you, so why do you care lol.. just keep going 8-0 and you'll have the sufficient dinero to turn pro in no time lol

Well put. The 2 point/day change is 100% because due to multiple account fraud. As someone who spends a lot of time looking a people's point histories I know that fraud of this sort is rampant. I turn people in when I see them, but I'm sure most fraud goes unnoticed and costs SBR a lot of cash.

And I say this as the person who is probably hurt the most by the change.

[Optional]

As far as other security measures such as one poster mentioned there is sophisticated anti ghost software which we are planning to purchase in the near future as well as your suggestion about 6 months and 1000 posts.

Please don't make a minimum post count. That will just produce hundreds and hundreds of totally useless posts.

[sideloaded]

anti ghost software? LOL. Proxies are everywhere. SBR isn't going to be the first forum in internet history to stop ghosts trust me.

[yisman]

Please don't make a minimum post count. That will just produce hundreds and hundreds of totally useless posts.

min. post count is necessary for these things.

If there are especially blatant spammers, block them.

Or announce it that it's going by post count now, not post count in February, so posting 250 times in January won't change anything.

With my suggestion, the usergroup would be created now and future spamming wouldn't help anyone.

[FrozenMAN]

This blowssssssss the big one if i get screwed outta my loan.....

[sportsfanatic]

Well put. The 2 point/day change is 100% because due to multiple account fraud. As someone who spends a lot of time looking a people's point histories I know that fraud of this sort is rampant. I turn people in when I see them, but I'm sure most fraud goes unnoticed and costs SBR a lot of cash.

And I say this as the person who is probably hurt the most by the change.

i'm surprised sbr didn't do this sooner.

[tblues2005]

John,

Thanks for the response on this and I do recommend you to put a post limit and a time limit both on those that has been here a while and they can transfer whatever they want to members just because of the fact that they could be good horse handicappers in the horse racing section and others. I hope that you enact this idea and thank you for letting me know that I can transfer to him as much as I like as a Pro here. I just don't want that part limited because I met him at the bash and he does well at horses. I just want to send him some points when he does well. I think it will work well and I know that there is some here that wants us to not do the post limit but I sure think it would be a good idea because some could just wait until the time limit is up then they could have the ghost and then they could game the system. So I think it is the idea here to just do both please. That would be the best thing to do here to deal with this problem.

[Carseller4]

I see nothing but good things ahead for SBR....should be a great 2011!

[tblues2005]

min. post count is necessary for these things.

If there are especially blatant spammers, block them.

Or announce it that it's going by post count now, not post count in February, so posting 250 times in January won't change anything.

With my suggestion, the usergroup would be created now and future spamming wouldn't help anyone.

I think putting a time limit on also. You have to be a member at least for 6 months or maybe year and have above 500 or 1,000 posts that would good here. We do have members that have been here a long time that would be affected by this greatly or they may not be able to be a sbr pro for a time when they have been one before because of money reasons. I just think this would be the best idea to deal with this and I think it will work.

[yisman]

tblues, that's what I was saying.

Both a tenure component and a post count component. One or the other does not prove someone is a dedicated member, but a combination usually does.

[milwaukee mike]

that sounds good yisman/tblues
i agree wholeheartedly with the tenure/post count combo

[emoney]

People that are not SBR Pros should not get points at all.

Also, you should have to be registered here for at least six months before you are even allowed to post.

[jlgarciaiii22]

I guess it is time to become an sbr pro...

[tblues2005]

tblues, that's what I was saying.

Both a tenure component and a post count component. One or the other does not prove someone is a dedicated member, but a combination usually does.

Lets just hope that John and the other mods agree!!

[Optional]

min. post count is necessary for these things.

If there are especially blatant spammers, block them.

Or announce it that it's going by post count now, not post count in February, so posting 250 times in January won't change anything.

With my suggestion, the usergroup would be created now and future spamming wouldn't help anyone.

Why is it necessary? Many people here would read more often than posting, just because you or I might post several times a week doesn't mean those that post several times a month should be left out does it?

If a time limit isn't enough, maybe add a proviso that they have logged on for at least 100 days or soemthing.

Encouraging people who already try and gouge the system to make 1000 posts each sounds like a recipe for me losing interest in the place personally.

I am just waiting for a deposit to go through to an offshore to use for pro status anyway, so I'm not concerned about my personal situation, but I think the most dissapointing ramification will be preventing most of the less active members, and every new member, from joining the private games like Streak for the Cash pool, or the NASCAR picks game etc etc.

They may not be big time, but I find them fun and one of the main reasons I visit as regularly as I do.

And if people like me, who do deposit, stop visiting as regularly that might affect SBRs bottom line more than sneaky transfer games anyway.

[sweethook]

I guess it is time to become an sbr pro...

100%

[yisman]

Why is it necessary? Many people here would read more often than posting, just because you or I might post several times a week doesn't mean those that post several times a month should be left out does it?

I think it does.

Say someone signed up for SBR in 2007, never made a post, and came back now. Should that member be rewarded for commitment?

Encouraging people who already try and gouge the system to make 1000 posts each sounds like a recipe for me losing interest in the place personally.

I already responded to that.

[Optional]

I think it does.

Say someone signed up for SBR in 2007, never made a post, and came back now. Should that member be rewarded for commitment?

If that commitment is 1000 stupid posts simply to obtain free points status, I seriously question it's value to anyone involved.

The points system is primarily a marketing device.

You're suggestion goes totally counter to that aim by shutting out a large proportion of the "paying" users SBR are trying to attract with it.

[yisman]

If that commitment is 1000 stupid posts simply to obtain free points status, I seriously question it's value to anyone involved.

That's not what I said.

I simply said there should be a time component and a post count component, and they should be locked in, so you wouldn't have the problem you keep mentioning.

The points system is primarily a marketing device.

You're suggestion goes totally counter to that aim by shutting out a large proportion of the "paying" users SBR are trying to attract with it.

A lot of the things in the point system have been designed to reward loyal users, actually.

[Optional]

You could try re-explaining what you did say then?

I left your first post alone about it as it sounded nonsensical to me honestly. How does basing it on the post count now work for members who join in 2011?

But seriously, I think the biggest issue with enforcing a 1000 count is the loss of revenue from referral income. Which I suspect could be significant.

Even doing this 2 point per day limit could affect that so badly SBR don't stick with it I predict.

[dngf]

I think it does.

Say someone signed up for SBR in 2007, never made a post, and came back now. Should that member be rewarded for commitment?



I already responded to that.

Not sure what you mean by came back now. If someone came every day or 200 days a year or more and got his two points, not sure how you tell, but if that someone surfed through some threads and parts of the site, not just turned it on got two points and turned it off. Now after reading this thread this person says hey Lou I have an account at 5D make me a pro, seems like he should get 4 points per day as a pro and if he wants he can add something to the forums. There is a lot of interesting information in this site, many good cappers, and a lot of entertainment, but in reality a lot of the posts don't add much. So if someone doesn't have a lot to say or doesn't care to post much, I do not think they should be penalized.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Any stats on what % of posters are pros? What % of regular posters perhaps?

[marcoloco]

wait.. . can we still get pizzas?

[yisman]

You could try re-explaining what you did say then?

I left your first post alone about it as it sounded nonsensical to me honestly. How does basing it on the post count now work for members who join in 2011?

It made sense to everyone else who read it.

It doesn't work for new members, and it shouldn't. If you read back, the entire point is that loyal non-pros should not be subject to draconian restrictions on point transfers.

This was put into place because of fraud/ghosting. Obviously new members have to be subject to the restrictions. But what about members who have been active on the site for a year or more?

Also, regarding what tblues posted:

I also agree that SBR could cut down on ghosts without penalizing all non-pros.

What about members that have been posting for a while, and have at least, say, 500 posts? I understand there's no way to prove definitely that they are not scammers, but I think there's a much lower chance of them being a scammer than a guy I saw (Jakarta or something) posting gibberish in a foreign language with a recent sign-up date.

I don't see how this is difficult to understand. Did you read it?

Now after reading this thread this person says hey Lou I have an account at 5D make me a pro, seems like he should get 4 points per day as a pro and if he wants he can add something to the forums.

Errr, none of this has to do with who can or can't become pro.

It has to do with the restrictions on non-pros.

SBR John announced new rules. I was suggesting an exception to the point transfer restriction could be made for posters who are dedicated members and thus are most likely not scammers/ghosts.

[yisman]

wait.. . Can we still get pizzas?

2) non pro's will have a limited selection of store items available for purchase. All sportbook accounts, bonuses, freeplays will be available along with sbr logo merchandise. These will be the only items available for purchase from the sbr store for non pro's.

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[RollPlayer]

As much as I hate to see the price hike I actually really like the changes the more that I think about them. Points are a nice way to have a little bit of fun and maybe get some cash to supplement your book, but they should not be bleeding SBR money. Slightly higher prices+anti ghost software+min post count=people who are here for the community, not people who are here to make a quick buck off of SBR's generosity

[Conan]

This dosen't seam like a bad deal the prices are going up. Well prices go up but when was the last time you had a 2 month notice before thay did? And it is only right that pros who are patrons of the sponsors should get the lions share of the perks.

[Bill Dozer]

There are a couple reasons why the program is evolving. Obviously sponsors who pay for the program want a qualified audience vs. people from all over the net motivated by freebies.

But, another big reason is it's for the good of the board. We've always said from day one that our goal was to grow the best sports betting and industry forum online. That won't happen if we bring in people who are here for the freebies and not to interact with gamblers, share info, cap games and be a part of the SBR community. If you're a guy/gal who cares about the read and here to talk shop with other bettors, your'e happy anyone off the street isn't taking a piece of the pie. If you're here for the content, pro or nonpro, and don't care about freebies youre even happier your forum won't be degraded.

As said in the other thread, with all the new ways to get points, there really isnt a price increase... Maybe an activity increase to get the points but its supposed to be fun, not punching a meal ticket.