Jaden Ivey waived by Bulls for 'conduct detrimental to the team'

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  • stevenash
    Moderator
    • 01-17-11
    • 67284

    #1
    Jaden Ivey waived by Bulls for 'conduct detrimental to the team'
    Jaden Ivey waived by Bulls for 'conduct detrimental to the team.' Here's how we got here

    Slippery slope.

    There's 'freedom of speech' up to a point.
    When I was eight years old, I was taught I had freedom of speech, but it's a crime to scream 'fire' in a crowded theater when no such threat exists.

    Also, many employers have morality clauses written into their 'terms of employment.'
    By signing a morality clause, an employee agrees to behave in a manner not detrimental to the employer.

    Since Ivey is an employee of the NBA (NOT the Chicago Bulls), and the NBA funnels beaucoup cash to the WNBA, whose employees make up a large percentage of the gay/lesbian community, I can see why Ivey was cut (waived) by Chicago. The NBA deemed his words and actions to be detrimental to league standards. And I tend to agree.

    But I see Ivey's argument (it's going to be a losing one). He's saying, "I have the right to sound off."
    And he does (up to a point) before he crosses that line that violates 'morality' clauses.

    I'm still waiting to hear from Fred VanVleet and the players' union and weigh in on this, as unions are proven to defend employees from 'termination without cause', which is perfectly legal; the league can easily counter with "We have 100 percent cause."

    Personally, I see both sides of the issue.
    I'm a "live and let live " guy. I don't understand the trans thing, I'm not gay, but if that's the lifestyle one chooses, as long as that decision doesn't interfere with my life, well, live and let live
    Seriously, who am I to judge anyway?

    I watch Cowherd's show a couple of times a week.
    I like Cowherd; he a) amuses me, and b) more often than not, I learn something new.
    For instance, I knew Cowherd was a native of the Pacific Northwest, and his wife was born and raised in 'Chicagoland'.
    Colin relocated his show and his residence to Chicago, btw.
    Anyway, Ann (Colin's wife) has her finger on the pulse of all things Chicago athletics-related. Says Ivey was a problem child when he played at Purdue, had several tantrums similar to this one, and that he wasn't a team player, which probably drove Painter insane, being the no-nonsense coach that he is. I wonder if that had any impact on Ivey turning pro after his sophomore season.

    Some of Ivey's immediate family say he's always been 'off' mentally.
    That's not saying he's stupid; you don't get a scholarship offer from a top-five academic school, no matter how gifted you are with a round orange ball, unless you have at least something going on upstairs.

    It's reported that the Bulls were not going to renew at the end of the season anyway.
    His shooting has been horrendous.
    Ivey's going to get the balance of that Bulls contract, that's 100 percent guaranteed.
    Chances are, some bottom-feeding team desperate for a shooting guard next season will pick him up for ten cents on the dollar.

    Slippery slope.
  • lonegambler23
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 06-22-16
    • 10791

    #2
    i have to agree with him here.
    hes just going against libtards
    my man ivey for speaking the truth!
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    • stevenash
      Moderator
      • 01-17-11
      • 67284

      #3
      ^
      Yeah, I get that, and I support that UP UNTIL he crosses that line.
      He knows better than to spout off like that when your employer (NBA) has a gazillion dollars invested in the WNBA, where 38 percent of the league is gay.

      How many WNBA players are gay? Here's the complete list - Tuko.co.ke

      The NBA is a cutthroat business with double standards.
      Ivey isn't Lebron, or Steph, or any other name-brand star where the league can look the other way.
      He's a serviceable shooting guard who has been missing a lot of shots as of late.
      He's expendable, and he's hosed.

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      • DwightShrute
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 01-17-09
        • 102496

        #4
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        • lonegambler23
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 06-22-16
          • 10791

          #5
          Originally posted by stevenash
          ^
          Yeah, I get that, and I support that UP UNTIL he crosses that line.
          He knows better than to spout off like that when your employer (NBA) has a gazillion dollars invested in the WNBA, where 38 percent of the league is gay.

          How many WNBA players are gay? Here's the complete list - Tuko.co.ke

          The NBA is a cutthroat business with double standards.
          Ivey isn't Lebron, or Steph, or any other name-brand star where the league can look the other way.
          He's a serviceable shooting guard who has been missing a lot of shots as of late.
          He's expendable, and he's hosed.

          yeah i agree they aint the bhrightest individulas lol
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          • JAKEPEAVY21
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 03-11-11
            • 29618

            #6
            Originally posted by stevenash
            ^
            Yeah, I get that, and I support that UP UNTIL he crosses that line.
            He knows better than to spout off like that when your employer (NBA) has a gazillion dollars invested in the WNBA, where 38 percent of the league is gay.

            How many WNBA players are gay? Here's the complete list - Tuko.co.ke

            The NBA is a cutthroat business with double standards.
            Ivey isn't Lebron, or Steph, or any other name-brand star where the league can look the other way.
            He's a serviceable shooting guard who has been missing a lot of shots as of late.
            He's expendable, and he's hosed.

            Crossing that line is fine if one sounds off against white people or Jews but not so if you do so against trans or blacks. He went off against one of the protected minority groups.
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            • stevenash
              Moderator
              • 01-17-11
              • 67284

              #7
              Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21

              Crossing that line is fine if one sounds off against white people or Jews but not so if you do so against trans or blacks. He went off against one of the protected minority groups.
              And that's my point.
              Well stated, JP, and you did it with 1000 fewer words than I used.
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              • QuantumLeap
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 08-22-08
                • 6936

                #8
                It all depends upon the wording of his contract. He did nothing to be immoral. In fact, he was exercising his religion. The league can't prohibit him from exercising his religion.
                The only way the league gets away with this if it's explicitly worded that protected groups can't be spoken negatively about.
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                • Optional
                  Administrator
                  • 06-10-10
                  • 63925

                  #9
                  Originally posted by QuantumLeap
                  It all depends upon the wording of his contract. He did nothing to be immoral. In fact, he was exercising his religion. The league can't prohibit him from exercising his religion.
                  The only way the league getsaway with this if it's explicitly worded that protected groups can't be spoken negatively about.
                  They probably can if he agrees to that in a private contract. Or at the very least not allow him to express his views publicly whilst working for them.

                  .
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                  • Optional
                    Administrator
                    • 06-10-10
                    • 63925

                    #10
                    A Rugby Union player named Israel Folau said that hell awaits all gay people and similar stuff a bunch of times online and the league itself banned him.

                    He fought it in court on the same religious freedom grounds. The league settled with him for some millions and apologized publicly.
                    .
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                    • QuantumLeap
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 08-22-08
                      • 6936

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Optional

                      They probably can if he agrees to that in a private contract. Or at the very least not allow him to express his views publicly whilst working for them.
                      Correct!

                      The league can restrict speech.

                      While this is "AI Slop" below, it's from the EEOC website:

                      Yes, a company can restrict religious speech if it causes "undue hardship" on business operations, constitutes harassment, or disrupts productivity. While employers must reasonably accommodate sincerely held religious beliefs under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, they can implement neutral, uniform policies on time, place, and manner of speech
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                      • Halfapointoff
                        SBR MVP
                        • 01-25-14
                        • 1691

                        #12
                        Sticks and stone may break my bones but words will never hurt me. What a false statement.
                        NBA players shut the hell up and get back to beating women up. How dare you speak of the fags.
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