Pokerstars is a programming ripoff, intended to favor the underdog

[navyhawk]

lol @ this thread. First off remember the competition on stars is fierce. They are by far the best site and most trusted in the industry hands down. I saw quads twice today at a live tourney and haven't seen them live or online in two years. Is that rigged?

It's called variance. If you get your money in good over 100's of thousands of hands you will be up and have no worries.

[bobbyfk]

Pokerstars has like 150k players 24/7, they are making millions upon millions guaranteed with basically no expense, why would they risk blowing 100s of millions to go after this guy in a 5 dollar SnG

exactly

[OmgUrMom]

Happens all the time, you have to adjust and use it to your favor.

care to explain?

[gwiz]

Comeback when you have KK vs 10 10 and hit a set on flop and lose pot of the day cause it comes runner runner 10... thats a bad beat .. in your situation he had best on flop, you got lucky on turn then he got lucky on river...

I had AA vs A9 flop come A9x

I told my cousin who was watching the only way I could lose and he got one of his first looks at online poker magic when it came 9-9

I take at least 1 bad beat a day or I can't sleep

[k13]

lol @ this thread. First off remember the competition on stars is fierce. They are by far the best site and most trusted in the industry hands down. I saw quads twice today at a live tourney and haven't seen them live or online in two years. Is that rigged?

It's called variance. If you get your money in good over 100's of thousands of hands you will be up and have no worries.

you must one table online.

[k13]

I'm not the only one who feels like OP

http://forums.eog.com/online-sportsbooks-and-gambling-discussion/favorite-site-to-play-poker-290497-2.html

[Onefreedm1nd]

It's in Stars' best interest to provide a fair game. Think about it. I don't know how much that site makes per day on rake but it's crazy. They don't care who wins at the tables as long as people are playing. The best way to guarantee that is to provide a secure fair playing field. BTW taking 10 unrelated events out of a huge sequence of hands you played and multiplying each percentage together isn't really using statistics the right way. For example, the chances of you winning 5 50/50s and winning 5 80/20s is ~1%. That 1% in no way is representative of your chances in say the third 50/50. You can't look at it like that. Everyone hits rough patches, esp online. My only advice to you OP is to not be one of those losers that truly believes online poker is rigged but still plays. If you think it's fixed, against you, don't play. If you think it's geared for the underdog, just get in behind, preferably at my table.

[blueghost]

if this happens every time just bet weak hands and ill see you at the tables

[Indecent]

I had a personal sample size of 10,000 hands and went throught them expecting to find better starting cards than should be expected. My research showed that starting cards are evenly distributed, however, I was getting pocket pairs every 12.5 hands when the odds are only 16:1. This is statistically disturbing to say the least.

At 10 thousand hands, no it's not.

With billions of hands played online over the years and millions easily available (even offered for free for research purposes on some sites), there has not been one (credible) person who was able to show that the numbers fall outside of the expected range. It has not happened. Why do you think that is?

[k13]

It's in Stars' best interest to provide a fair game. Think about it. I don't know how much that site makes per day on rake but it's crazy. They don't care who wins at the tables as long as people are playing. The best way to guarantee that is to provide a secure fair playing field. BTW taking 10 unrelated events out of a huge sequence of hands you played and multiplying each percentage together isn't really using statistics the right way. For example, the chances of you winning 5 50/50s and winning 5 80/20s is ~1%. That 1% in no way is representative of your chances in say the third 50/50. You can't look at it like that. Everyone hits rough patches, esp online. My only advice to you OP is to not be one of those losers that truly believes online poker is rigged but still plays. If you think it's fixed, against you, don't play. If you think it's geared for the underdog, just get in behind, preferably at my table.

so who's going to deposit?

Those saying there's not proof yet with all the millions of hands. yeah there is, check out the big stack theory

[k13]

loving being a dog, one outer on the river, all day


*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Kh Kc]

Olkargi: raises 100 to 200
Heo: raises and is all-in
fernandopnf: calls is all-in
Olkargi: calls and is all-in

Olkargi: shows [As Ad] (two pair, Aces and Eights)
fernandopnf: shows [Qc Kd] (two pair, Kings and Eights)

*** FLOP *** [8s 8c 9c]
*** TURN *** [8s 8c 9c] [2h]
*** RIVER *** [8s 8c 9c 2h] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***

[TexansFan]

Looks like someone caught bots on PokerStars...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/botters-caught-pokerstars-828016/

[Onefreedm1nd]

Blows my mind that people believe Pokerstars is out to get them but still play with real $.

[k13]

Blows my mind that people believe Pokerstars is out to get them but still play with real $.

you can still win in the long run just not as much as you should

[iwant2lrn]

I definitely don't like the idiots that go allin every hand but depending on the way I play I do win and lose on PS. To win I have to pay more attention to everyone else's play than my own. I think the online poker sites are designed to favor the house just like the casino's.

[k13]

how many 2 outers do you want me to post a minute....

[Indecent]

Looks like someone caught bots on PokerStars...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...rstars-828016/

And? Are you insinuating that the bots are from PS themselves?

No one will deny that bots exist in online poker (I wrote and ran one for years), but if collusion is left out I wouldn't consider them cheating unless against TOS at the site.

[Indecent]

I think the online poker sites are designed to favor the house just like the casino's.

How does this make sense? You aren't competing against the house..

[DennisGreen]

lol @ this thread. First off remember the competition on stars is fierce. They are by far the best site and most trusted in the industry hands down. I saw quads twice today at a live tourney and haven't seen them live or online in two years. Is that rigged? It's called variance. If you get your money in good over 100's of thousands of hands you will be up and have no worries.

LOL you sir are a paid shill for Stars if you say you haven't seen quads online in two years

[fedtpels]

just give it a rest. these sites are not rigged. this happens to everyone. it's called swings and you tend to not remember your own 5-outers. so stop steaming and start improving your game so you don't find yourself in these situations quite as often.

[venhitman]

re

2 or 3 years ago pokerstars was the best software on net, now is the worst but unfortunately all sites are rigged and lie they are random , absolutely for jail

[Onefreedm1nd]

What info are you basing that on?

[SolidDala]

First off, everyone loses a couple of bad beats in a row no big deal, just need to step away and cool off

second, I guarantee you that if you go back and look at those so called bad beats at least half AIN'T, start checking what you did wrong and adjust this instead of starting a thread complaining about your losses, No one complains when they win a couple of low outers in row so why do it when you lose...

[k13]

First off, everyone loses a couple of bad beats in a row no big deal, just need to step away and cool off

second, I guarantee you that if you go back and look at those so called bad beats at least half AIN'T, start checking what you did wrong and adjust this instead of starting a thread complaining about your losses, No one complains when they win a couple of low outers in row so why do it when you lose...

A "couple" ? lol Its like every three hands.

[venhitman]

i do not like pokerstars software!i had a lot of bad beats last year...before 2 years their software was good!

[k13]

yes its random

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ac Ah]
g13sakis: raises 300 to 450
Hero: raises 1755 to 2205 and is all-in
g13sakis: calls is all-in
13sakis: shows [Js Jd]

*** FLOP *** [Ad 8h 9c]

Lets work pokerstars magic

*** TURN *** [Ad 8h 9c] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [Ad 8h 9c Qd] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
g13sakis: shows [Js Jd] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
Hero: shows [Ac Ah] (three of a kind, Aces)

[k13]

That was just the start, 80-90% ahead, i'll be lucky to win 50-60%

1 000 000 in database

[empty cookie jar]

i agree about online poker possibly being rigged.....i am strictly a free roll player these days.....first thing they always want to tell you is "well, you see so many more hands online than you do live"....i get so tired of hearing this.....

so i won't let it bother me when i -- or someone else at my table while i'm out of a hand -- constantly gets beaten by 2 outers. bullshit. i'm not convinced it's rigged, but i don't put my own money into it any more.

in my opinion, my top 3 bullshit sites are:

PS

FT

UB

[k13]

flop nut flush on unpaired board, i'm already ughhh here we go, just jam and jam it, obviously runner runner boat ftl.

i was ready to check fold on the flop.

[k13]

flop nut flush draw and the nut straight in PLO on a unpaired board. Still Lose.

minute after minute , hand after hand.

[emoney]

This is good, I am on Pokerstars right now and I suck at poker. So, I should win.

[k13]

another 2 outer, ANOTHER 2 outer another another one

Losing 17 straight hands ahead, no problem, odds only in a billion but I can do that every single day on PS

[k13]

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ac As]
gaimePT: raises 300 to 450
Hero: raises and is all-in
gaimePT: calls
gaimePT: shows [Kd Th]
*** FLOP *** [Td Tc 6s]
*** TURN *** [Td Tc 6s] [3c]
*** RIVER *** [Td Tc 6s 3c] [9s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [Ac As] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
gaimePT: shows [Kd Th] (three of a kind, Tens)


*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [As Td]
Hero: calls 50
Jen510: raises 2795 to 2845 and is all-in
Hero: calls and is all-in
Jen510: shows [Js 6s]
*** FLOP *** [4c 3h 8c]
*** TURN *** [4c 3h 8c] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [4c 3h 8c 9s] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Jen510: shows [Js 6s] (a pair of Jacks)
Hero: shows [As Td] (high card Ace)


*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Td Tc]
Hero: raise and is all-in
rSsscrumm: is all-in
rSsscrumm: shows [Ks Ts]
*** FLOP *** [Qh Qs 7s]
*** TURN *** [Qh Qs 7s] [Jd]
*** RIVER *** [Qh Qs 7s Jd] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
rSsscrumm: shows [Ks Ts] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
Hero: shows [Td Tc] (two pair, Queens and Jacks - lower kicker)


*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero[Qs Ah]
txchamps5: raises 200 to 300
Hero: raises and is all-in
txchamps5: calls
txchamps5: shows [Td As]
*** FLOP *** [3h 2s Tc]
*** TURN *** [3h 2s Tc] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [3h 2s Tc 2d] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
txchamps5: shows [Td As] (two pair, Tens and Deuces)
Hero: shows [Qs Ah] (a pair of Deuces)



** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [6d 6h]
John299588: raises 2048 to 2648 and is all-in
Hero: raises 457 to 3105 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [5h Ts 7h]
*** TURN *** [5h Ts 7h] [2h]
*** RIVER *** [5h Ts 7h 2h] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
John299588: shows [Kd 5c] (three of a kind, Fives)
Hero: shows [6d 6h] (two pair, Sixes and Fives)



*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [2d Ad]
Hero: calls is all-in
Lequant: shows [Qd 2s]
*** FLOP *** [Kd 8c Qc]
*** TURN *** [Kd 8c Qc] [Js]
*** RIVER *** [Kd 8c Qc Js] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Lequant: shows [Qd 2s] (two pair, Queens and Deuces)
Hero: shows [2d Ad] (a pair of Deuces)


all day every minutes

[k13]

Like I said 3 outer every minute every fucken hand

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Kd As]

Hero: raises 8140 to 8740 and is all-in
moose9516: calls 7017 and is all-in
moose9516: shows [Ac Td]
*** FLOP *** [Th Js Jc]
*** TURN *** [Th Js Jc] [8c]
*** RIVER *** [Th Js Jc 8c] [9s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [Kd As] (a pair of Jacks)
moose9516: shows [Ac Td] (two pair, Jacks and Tens)

[iwant2lrn]

If it is rigged, find out how to get on the receiving side. LOL!