Pokerstars is a programming ripoff, intended to favor the underdog

[20Four7]

I can't win at stars so I don't play there..... I play at a lot of other sites.... FT cake etc and do well. I'm at the point where my mind doesn't let me play my A game there. So I don't play. Do I think Stars is rigged....no more than any live game, but then again my tin foil hat got stolen so I don't know anymore. Sample size of 10..... I can show you 10 hands in the WSOP that were far worse than that..... hit a one outter happens.....

[luigi]

These type of threads always bring a frustrated frown to my face. No one has been able to explain to me why a poker site would rig the game to make an individual lose money. The only instances of cheating in online poker are centered around individuals within the company using master accounts which allowed them to see hole cards and take advantage of high limit players. Even in these cases, no alteration was ever done to the programming algorithms. In fact, it was the oldest and most basic form of cheating, essentially marked or visible cards.

A site like pokerstars will make money if everyone continues to play, and will make the largest profit if everyone breaks even, losing only the rake. There is no benefit from alienating customers by adjusting the odds for underdogs. It just doesn't make any sense. No matter how frustrating or unlikely these events may be, I have yet to see anyone plausibly link it to a massive site conspiracy.

exactly. there just isn't any plausible reason for such a conspiracy.

[Pap45murF]

Sigh. This thread isn't really as ridiculous as many are making it. I've been playing poker as my only income for about 9 years now, and I have a computer science degree so I understand that it doesn't have to be "rigged" or have nazi's in the shadows favoring certain players. The software programming for PS could very well just be designed intentionally or unintentionally to favor the dogs, which isn't technically illegal and would be hard to detect unless you poured over the code. Personally, I've found that I win at european poker sites because europeans seem to have never heard the word aggression before, and I win at most US sites because it's very soft. But with PS, with my own hands and watching everyone else's hands, I swear the underdog will win the bulk of the time. An hour ago I watched AA vs KK vs KQ 3 way an all in... and of course runner runner Q's... so frequently that I actually laugh at the madness.

I still make bank focusing on double or nothing tourneys though, and omaha and stud don't seem to suffer from the same curse.

And as far as skilled professionals not making similar blogs, you've apparently never been to Hellmuth's site. And if you've ever watched online champs like JohnnyBax, he underdog catches insane amounts to where the observer chat makes a contest out of it.

Just my 2 cents.

[Pap45murF]

But yeah, stop playing where you can't win. Full Tilt and pacificpoker, aka 888 (back in the day) were raping my bankroll on a daily basis so I gave em up.

[keyboarding]

If you can't win, don't play. Pokerstars really doesn't give a shit about your $1000 bankroll. Stop flattering yourselves.

[Whiskeyjack]

FORGET THE POKER SITE CHEATING YOU!!

Poker sites may not rig games but people do so the real question is who operates the programs and how good are they. It would be easy to siphon off tons of cash to bots or compatriates. In fact it has been done. There are programs to measure deviations but only a vary small deviation can be a large profit. Think blackjack. In Vegas (where I live) dealers cheat ....not the house. Why? So they can skim without the computers noticing any deviation in long trem W/L of any specific dealer, So if a dealer wants to steal 500 a day he must second deal (or use another form of setting the deck) to rip off the players for that 500. It has been spotted many many times and many many dealers have been banned.

[madmaxx]

[keyboarding]

Harness Racing Sucks

[DennisGreen]

The truth is out there

[fubping]

here is proof that poker stars is a rip off.after this my friends u will be convinced by true hard facts that they have theyr own people that play and see the cards that are going to come pre flop.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHQid...eature=related

[blueghost]

if you cant win at poker try the online BLACKJACK i heard that the bias favors the player almost all the time ..good luck

[donkdown]

if this is the case just insta shove 72 off always. I really hate threads like this.

[andrew5]

i have been winning on pstars you got to think why is this guy calling i fold alot of on good hands. this just happend aj vs t9s he gets a set 9s allin on 9ten bs i say u are right . oh well going to play in a live game at the jay cee fair

[stevek173]

The good payers win over time

[Cuse4tw]

they dont call it jokerstars without reason

[dtp]

it can definitely seem rigged no doubt

[Bigmikesm]

Hard way to make a living playing online poker. I've lost much more than I won playing!!

[Bswitz32]

All online poker is a ripoff......I am done and have been for a little while now. To much BS
Only LIVE from here on out

BOL

[mrmarket]

So this is where the money in poker comes from.

[HotStreak]

I like this, it was getting boring only hating this guy for one reason.

If Pokerstars is rigged then why do good players consistently win money long term?

With all the money they are raking in why would they bother to rig the game for one person?

The major sites are monitored by independent agencies.

The risk of getting caught and your site going bankrupt is monumentally greater than the benefits you get by rigging.


How about an original post OOL? Just 1.

Ultimate Bet was caught in a cheating scandal that sucked roughly 70 million $$ from their "customers" through the use of a security back door that allowed a certain access level to see the hole cards of the other players.

They are still in business 2 years later.

[ZombieWolverine]

Good info

[oiler]

http://ripoffreport.com/reports/0/467/RipOff0467906.htm

I have played PStars for years. At first I thought I was just paying my dues to learn how to be a better player. But I started to have sucess at other sites whereas it was one bad beat after another on this site. But I love the number of playes and varieties on PStars. Well, in the last 7 days I lost over 10 all in confrontations where I was a solid favorite:

7 times - odds of winning (70/30)....AQ for example, versus A-rag

3 times- odds of winning (80/20)....KK versus 44

I lost every one of these hands. In a row.

The immediate response to my analysis I would guess would be that the sample size is just too small. But if you consider the odds of losing this many confrontations in a row - I get .000000524 as a chance of this happening. The
odds of getting struck by lightning are .0000025. So my only conclusion here is something is really wrong at PStars.

Does anyone have statisical data to back up this note? I would be interested and welcome in seeing anyone to punch holes in this analysis.

well i think Bodog is the worse,have never seen so many bad beats on a site than i have with bodog plus they are a damn ghost town.losing alot of players

[bigtimekicks]

I should say the god is with them.

[davidchong]

Poker is 90% luck...

[andrew5]

happend to me today pocket kks vs kt dude gets a set 10s

[daneblazer]

hello variance

[rki999]

bad beat

Bad beat is just normal part of Poker

[1949]

pokerstar is definitely rigged. I just finished playing at pokerstar with 1k virtual money. I went all in on 6 and 7 while the other guy had like pair queens. I lost so it is rigged.

Bookmaker's casino is always shitty. In fact, every single one of them are rigged beyond belief. So many times i have a three of a kind, but another guy had the same but a higher kicker. Go to a real dealer not some shit that they preprogrammed.. Lol

if your serious your an idiot........... Go play bingo
but i personally don't like ps or ft or party poker too many allin idiots like what you just described i don't think any of them are actually rigged even someone allin with 6 2 can luckout against a a even in live games. You just don't see many idiots do it when there is real money to lose. ( nothing to lose..... No fear) you can get lucky.

[20Four7]

Ultimate Bet was caught in a cheating scandal that sucked roughly 70 million $$ from their "customers" through the use of a security back door that allowed a certain access level to see the hole cards of the other players.

They are still in business 2 years later.

Yes they were caught cheating by the players. A lot of people build databases out of the hands they play. I personally have a data base of over 200K hands from tilt, stars party etc. Believe me if things were out of whack there would be more screaming. If you think poker is rigged don't play. If you think the casino is rigged don't play. If you think the ref is rigging the game don't bet.

It is pretty simple. You play and win your good, if you lose it's rigged.

[SolidDala]

I do see alot of all-in hands after the flop or turn get burned on the river on Pokerstars with the underdog hitting a 2-outer. I usually only play at Pokerstars, but I'm gonna start playing at Full Tilt. Here's an example of my latest bad beat:
*********** # 2 **************
PokerStars Game #30219952061: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2009/07/08 1:52:17 ET
Table 'Noemi' 2-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: sooted112 ($160.65 in chips)
Seat 2: papasmo2 ($273.55 in chips)
papasmo2: posts small blind $0.50
sooted112: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to papasmo2 [Qc Ts]
papasmo2: raises $2 to $3
sooted112: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [4h 8s Js]
sooted112: checks
papasmo2: bets $3
sooted112: raises $9 to $12
papasmo2: calls $9
*** TURN *** [4h 8s Js] [9c]
sooted112: bets $25
papasmo2: raises $45 to $70
sooted112: raises $75.65 to $145.65 and is all-in
papasmo2: calls $75.65
*** RIVER *** [4h 8s Js 9c] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sooted112: shows [8d Jd] (a full house, Eights full of Jacks)
papasmo2: mucks hand
sooted112 collected $320.80 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $321.30 | Rake $0.50
Board [4h 8s Js 9c 8c]
Seat 1: sooted112 (big blind) showed [8d Jd] and won ($320.80) with a full house, Eights full of Jacks
Seat 2: papasmo2 (button) (small blind) mucked [Qc Ts]

For starters you shouldn't have called the reraise on the turn, and that would have saved you a lot, this is no bad beat, you played this hand wrong, when getting re-raised you should know you are beat and shouldn't call a third of the pot with a gut shoot... Typically a person whom calls and bluffs to much

[SolidDala]

Comeback when you have KK vs 10 10 and hit a set on flop and lose pot of the day cause it comes runner runner 10... thats a bad beat .. in your situation he had best on flop, you got lucky on turn then he got lucky on river...

[iwant2lrn]

They are where they are for more than just online poker. You can't make it that big just playing online.

[Brick]

Happens all the time, you have to adjust and use it to your favor.

[biggie12]

This thread is beyond stupidity. If you think they are cheating or favoring underdog (lol soo stupid) DONT PLAY ITS SIMPLE.

Dont whine about it because you took a bad beat, and dont have the bankroll to play anymore because you put 100% of your bankroll into play.

So sick of hearing threads like this, one reason i don't visit 2+2 often anymore.

[k13]

Comeback when you have KK vs 10 10 and hit a set on flop and lose pot of the day cause it comes runner runner 10... thats a bad beat .. in your situation he had best on flop, you got lucky on turn then he got lucky on river...

Everyday.