Pokerstars is a programming ripoff, intended to favor the underdog

bettilimbroke999 · 07-13-09, 01:47 PM

Obama is redistributing your wealth to the poor poker players

jayc88 · 07-13-09, 02:04 PM

if you are a loser at the tables , accept it and quit playing
dont blame ps just because you've lost 10 hands where the odds were in your favor ,
thats ridiculous.

Bigmikesm · 07-13-09, 02:23 PM

I do see alot of all-in hands after the flop or turn get burned on the river on Pokerstars with the underdog hitting a 2-outer. I usually only play at Pokerstars, but I'm gonna start playing at Full Tilt. Here's an example of my latest bad beat:
*********** # 2 **************
PokerStars Game #30219952061: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2009/07/08 1:52:17 ET
Table 'Noemi' 2-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: sooted112 ($160.65 in chips)
Seat 2: papasmo2 ($273.55 in chips)
papasmo2: posts small blind $0.50
sooted112: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to papasmo2 [Qc Ts]
papasmo2: raises $2 to $3
sooted112: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [4h 8s Js]
sooted112: checks
papasmo2: bets $3
sooted112: raises $9 to $12
papasmo2: calls $9
*** TURN *** [4h 8s Js] [9c]
sooted112: bets $25
papasmo2: raises $45 to $70
sooted112: raises $75.65 to $145.65 and is all-in
papasmo2: calls $75.65
*** RIVER *** [4h 8s Js 9c] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sooted112: shows [8d Jd] (a full house, Eights full of Jacks)
papasmo2: mucks hand
sooted112 collected $320.80 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $321.30 | Rake $0.50
Board [4h 8s Js 9c 8c]
Seat 1: sooted112 (big blind) showed [8d Jd] and won ($320.80) with a full house, Eights full of Jacks
Seat 2: papasmo2 (button) (small blind) mucked [Qc Ts]

jjgold · 07-13-09, 03:20 PM

Poker places want to keep players in the game therefore the good cards are evenly distributed around the table . The more hands people play the more money the poker houses win. If only a few players won it would be bad business. Any thing random like this on a pc is fixed to a degree.

emoney · 07-13-09, 06:03 PM

These poker sites have nothing to gain by favoring one player over another. If anything, they want players to be knocked out so they can register for another tournament. You are a fuking clown who sucks and poker and at life. You should save your political opinions and your poker conspiracy theories for someone who actually wants to hear them.

DrStale · 07-13-09, 06:15 PM

I like this, it was getting boring only hating this guy for one reason.

If Pokerstars is rigged then why do good players consistently win money long term?

With all the money they are raking in why would they bother to rig the game for one person?

The major sites are monitored by independent agencies.

The risk of getting caught and your site going bankrupt is monumentally greater than the benefits you get by rigging.

How about an original post OOL? Just 1.

Doc JS · 07-13-09, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by obama our lord

http://ripoffreport.com/reports/0/467/RipOff0467906.htm

I have played PStars for years. At first I thought I was just paying my dues to learn how to be a better player. But I started to have sucess at other sites whereas it was one bad beat after another on this site. But I love the number of playes and varieties on PStars. Well, in the last 7 days I lost over 10 all in confrontations where I was a solid favorite:

7 times - odds of winning (70/30)....AQ for example, versus A-rag

3 times- odds of winning (80/20)....KK versus 44

I lost every one of these hands. In a row.

The immediate response to my analysis I would guess would be that the sample size is just too small. But if you consider the odds of losing this many confrontations in a row - I get .000000524 as a chance of this happening. The
odds of getting struck by lightning are .0000025. So my only conclusion here is something is really wrong at PStars.

Does anyone have statisical data to back up this note? I would be interested and welcome in seeing anyone to punch holes in this analysis.

Are you seriously coming in here with a sample size of 10????

Really??? Seriously???

Please stop playing poker now...you'll be a whole lot happier in the end.

Doc

ijustwant2bpaid · 07-13-09, 07:43 PM

This just makes it more clear that any theory I have heard out of your mouth regarding anything holds no water at all.

ijustwant2bpaid · 07-13-09, 07:48 PM

thank god I didnt put 700$ on that game, that woulda hurt...

obama our lord · 07-13-09, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by Doc JS

Are you seriously coming in here with a sample size of 10????

Really??? Seriously???

Please stop playing poker now...you'll be a whole lot happier in the end.

Doc

It's not my experience. In fact, I would not play there or Full Tilt because I think they are just common thieves who will confiscate your account for bogus reasons.

But there is more than just one account of Pokerstars software dubiousness:

HugeDomains.com

http://www.cruzino.com/gr/pokerstars.html

Slim · 07-13-09, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by DrStale

With all the money they are raking in why would they bother to rig the game for one person?

Greed. See UltimateBet and Absolute.

Doc JS · 07-13-09, 09:37 PM

OOL,

Take your sample of ten to 2+2 and watch them laugh you right off the board...

Doc

Roxxyfish · 07-14-09, 11:10 AM

absolutely right , I can win on every other sites Im playing (and I play on nearly 40 sites) but on PS and FT its just a big rip off I aj a Oaha HIGH/LOW player and on stars ?? no comment, I am playing Multi Tourneys from time to time and I can cash and win some but I will not spend a $ at the cash tables anymore , its just no fun

exstatman · 07-14-09, 12:25 PM

I ran into what seemed improbable bad luck at FT, losing 13/14 all in hands one spot short of cashing in SNG's, so I just went elsewhere. No point in taking a continued beating at a place you feel is stacked against you.

WileOut · 07-14-09, 12:48 PM

The article OOL posted is not written by the OOL. He was just linking to an article written by some anonymous person on another website.

And the guy in the article is saying that the bad beats happened like that 10 times in a row (so a sample size of 10 in this example is a big sample when you consider what happened in the sample). The sequence of events he described is next to impossible.

I had the almost the EXACT same thing happen to me, 11 times in a row, at another well known poker site. I lost as a huge favorite in 11 straight all ins, playing at tournament tables. This was right after I cashed out a $5,145 profit...........

Slim is exactly right here. Greed is the reason. One place has been caught cheating, why is it so hard to imagine that there aren't any more places cheating?

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that I think or know that any major poker site is cheating. I am undecided. It is possible, that is all I'm saying.

bettilimbroke999 · 07-14-09, 12:55 PM

Pokerstars has like 150k players 24/7, they are making millions upon millions guaranteed with basically no expense, why would they risk blowing 100s of millions to go after this guy in a 5 dollar SnG

WileOut · 07-14-09, 12:59 PM

Your question has already been answered here in this thread.

Not that it matters (3000 $5 sit and goes a day add up) but where do you see $5 sit and go?

CRAZYBEAR007 · 07-14-09, 01:12 PM

Poker Conspiracy and Who Kill JFK?

PokerStars has way to much to loss to be messing with the cards as you suggest.

Before you start talking conspiracy theory I would be interested in seeing the results of all the hands you played not just the ones you lose. You also need to do that for at least a month worth of games.

You didn't mention the level or type of poker you were playing. cash games, MMT, freerolls or low buy-in. If it the later 2 and large fields then there are some adjustments made to see more good hands but it is a uniform increase in good hands that over the long run gives everyone a better chance to win. That means some times going in with a good but not great hand.

I suggest that whenever possible, don't automatically push all in with your great hands. Play them through. Bet so you can see the flop and river and adjust accordingly. I don't have a very good track record with AK so I seldom push all in before the flop with it.

I seldom play just one card room. Get out and play somewhere else like Players, Bodog, Doyle's. YOu will feel less like there is someone out to rig the game again you.

Good luck at the tables.

Razz_Donkey · 07-14-09, 01:45 PM

These type of threads always bring a frustrated frown to my face. No one has been able to explain to me why a poker site would rig the game to make an individual lose money. The only instances of cheating in online poker are centered around individuals within the company using master accounts which allowed them to see hole cards and take advantage of high limit players. Even in these cases, no alteration was ever done to the programming algorithms. In fact, it was the oldest and most basic form of cheating, essentially marked or visible cards.

A site like pokerstars will make money if everyone continues to play, and will make the largest profit if everyone breaks even, losing only the rake. There is no benefit from alienating customers by adjusting the odds for underdogs. It just doesn't make any sense. No matter how frustrating or unlikely these events may be, I have yet to see anyone plausibly link it to a massive site conspiracy.

cankid · 07-14-09, 07:43 PM

I would not necessarily just say high limit player, I believe some cheat at low level tbles also

MainEventOrBust · 07-16-09, 04:30 AM

Originally posted by obama our lord

in the last 7 days I lost over 10 all in confrontations where I was a solid favorite:

7 times - odds of winning (70/30)....AQ for example, versus A-rag

3 times- odds of winning (80/20)....KK versus 44

I lost every one of these hands. In a row.

Hope PS support doesn't read this forum, or you will be forever doomswitched

bettilimbroke999 · 07-16-09, 07:16 AM

Originally posted by MainEventOrBust

Hope PS support doesn't read this forum, or you will be forever doomswitched

Lol, next 110 times same thing

Kindred · 07-16-09, 09:45 AM

it's pretty simple, if you think stars is rigged and you do well at other sites, don't play at stars just play at the other sites.

Unless your supernova stars sucks anyway, get rake back somewhere else.

no1here · 07-16-09, 05:32 PM

All sites are program for the bad player to win at times. When Bodog change their site awhile back my numbers changed drastically at the site and this is based on 50k hands before and after.

johncrud · 07-16-09, 05:45 PM

Pokerstar is definitely rigged. I just finished playing at pokerstar with 1k virtual money. I went all in on 6 and 7 while the other guy had like pair queens. I lost so it is rigged.

Bookmaker's casino is always shitty. In fact, every single one of them are rigged beyond belief. So many times I have a three of a kind, but another guy had the same but a higher kicker. Go to a real dealer not some shit that they preprogrammed.. LOL

Bogart45 · 07-17-09, 12:25 AM

I had a personal sample size of 10,000 hands and went throught them expecting to find better starting cards than should be expected. My research showed that starting cards are evenly distributed, however, I was getting pocket pairs every 12.5 hands when the odds are only 16:1. This is statistically disturbing to say the least.

I have also played on over a dozen poker sites since 1998 and ps is the only site I'm a net loser on.

You can win there if you learn how, but it's definitely different playing there than anywhere else that I've ever played.

donjuan · 07-17-09, 01:53 AM

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Pokerstar is definitely rigged. I just finished playing at pokerstar with 1k virtual money. I went all in on 6 and 7 while the other guy had like pair queens. I lost so it is rigged.

Bookmaker's casino is always shitty. In fact, every single one of them are rigged beyond belief. So many times I have a three of a kind, but another guy had the same but a higher kicker. Go to a real dealer not some shit that they preprogrammed.. LOL

This is either the sickest level ever or a new low for this forum.

tacomax · 07-17-09, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by donjuan

This is either the sickest level ever or a new low for this forum.

Maybe you'd think differently if you'd been screwed out of $1K of virtual money.

jaki_zmaj · 08-31-09, 05:49 PM

Sure it is

Look people, it doesnt matter if you are good or bad player, the most important part is statistics.
It doesnt matter whether you made money or loose money.
In my example i have doubled up on pokerstars site playing tournaments, but it really doesnt matter in this case.
You know that it is an exact science discipline so it says more that 1000 words.
And when you write an algoritm, and how cards are distributed in the software you can arrange how do you wish , so if i own a web site with real money poker i would also write that algoritm to be in my favour, because there must be some small boundaries ( ranges ) where you can fit in but cant go out of those ranges because there is some called commision (agencie) that controling whether you are using this over the bounds.
In pokerstars case they are on the very limit, maybe little bit over, becasue i have seen statistically worst hands in always having the turn and river card together creating them as winners at PS. I am playing live poker for last 5 years for big money every other night and i have seen a lot of flops , but only 2 or 3 % of those sick ones that are constantly happening at PS. In 10 minutes at 4 different tables i saw AA losing from Q5, 49, .. in only 10 minutes, same tournament... and continuing to see that for the last 5 months on PS, and with other cards , flops, and ... it looked to me at the first time like ,ok it happens , but as longer as i played more and more and more frequently it was happening.
Then a friend of mine wins a 2 tournaments in a row (in2 days), he had similar bad beats but he stayed alive and won them, he played 1 year with little ups and downs ... and after winning these two huge tournaments all together arround
25 000 $ , he withdrew 24500 $ and left about 500 to play in similar tournaments with buy ins from 15 - 50 $ , hole week every day in row he had at one tournament at least 3 bad beats like i said previously something like KK all in with 49 , with QQ on the flop Qc 7h 4d and oposite hand 8c 3c and turn 5c river 6c, both and a flush and a straight?!!?P?P?P after withdrawal every absoulte hadn that he had went into garbage after followed with shitty cards after betting on the flop.....
so dont tell me here about lousy players, bad luck and stuff like that, who writes software can do what he wants and thats exactly what they arre doing.

Rixsaw · 08-31-09, 06:04 PM

To the losers, everything is rigged. To the winners, it's good capping/playing skill. This is the gambling world. Deal with it. Don't cry like a baby.

daneblazer · 08-31-09, 08:19 PM

Poker Stars late registration for their tournaments is frustrating. They leave it open for an hour now. I'm not a big fan of Pokerstars, but it's just a matter of preference. I think I took more bad beats on that site not because it was "rigged", but because there are more bad players on there that put themselves in situations to deliver a bad beat. There's only so many times a 75%-80% favorite is going to win before it loses. As mentioned above, there really is nothing to gain from being "rigged". PS does have a pretty impressive anti-collusion department. I like Bodog and Tilt...but that's just me.

oiler · 08-31-09, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by DrStale

I like this, it was getting boring only hating this guy for one reason.

If Pokerstars is rigged then why do good players consistently win money long term?

With all the money they are raking in why would they bother to rig the game for one person?

The major sites are monitored by independent agencies.

The risk of getting caught and your site going bankrupt is monumentally greater than the benefits you get by rigging.

How about an original post OOL? Just 1.

it the amazing thing about this is ,if u asked him how many hands he won when he was a dog,he would say none.but in retrospect they all even out

TheLock · 08-31-09, 08:27 PM

You notice that Phil Ivey or Tom Dwan never start these, "ZOMG pOKerSTaRs and fULL tILt r riGGed!!!1111", threads?

DrStale · 08-31-09, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by TheLock

You notice that Phil Ivey or Tom Dwan never start these, "ZOMG pOKerSTaRs and fULL tILt r riGGed!!!1111", threads?

Yeah, has to be cuz they're the luckiest poker players ever. Cuz online poker is all luck so they couldn't possibly be winning because of their skills.