Pokerstars is a programming ripoff, intended to favor the underdog

[iwant2lrn]

Just started playing full tilt tonight. First impressions are it seems to be the opposite of Pokerstars. The cards are falling in a manner that seem to deter all-ins. I think that good but not as exciting.

[jram68]

Obama is redistributing your wealth to the poor poker players

hahaha! Yea, our kenyan president promotes trickle up welfare

[WileOut]

At pokerroom years ago, right after cashing out for $5200 after depositing $200, I lost 13 straight all ins in tournaments where I had at least a 70% advantage in every hand, and at least an 80% advantage in 7 of the hands. Do that math.

I have had similar things happen at every major poker room. It is not random in my opinion. When I play live poker the difference is remarkable.

[WileOut]

lol @ this thread. First off remember the competition on stars is fierce. They are by far the best site and most trusted in the industry hands down. I saw quads twice today at a live tourney and haven't seen them live or online in two years. Is that rigged?

It's called variance. If you get your money in good over 100's of thousands of hands you will be up and have no worries.

Have you ever played the double or nothing tourneys at stars? They are beyond question not random. They make so much money off those things, when its your turn to lose it doesn't matter how good you are. In 1 game I saw a royal flush and 2 quads FLOPPED. That is just the tip of the iceberg for stars. In every game I get the same 2 cards over and over and over again. Like one tourney I will get A6 15 times. Next tourney I wont get A6 one time but I will get J9 11 times, and 25 10 times. Then next tourney I will get 44 3 hands in a row and then a total of 8 times. Sometimes after the tourneys I wish I had ran the camera, to see may face when these statistically impossible things happen over and over again.

To answer the questions yall have, I played there because I liked playing online poker and I don't play for any amount that would really help or hurt me. For those amounts I play live poker.

[Cuse0323]

I usually don't believe in these things, but damn these past few days on stars I've seemed to have lost every hand where I get it all-in with the best and win the ones where I'm crushed. Had a better ace twice in a row yesterday in a tourney, lost the first hand which put me in a bad spot then got it all-in with A10 against A5 and the flop was 234.

[MastaB]

Bodog is even more fun, you should try it out

[A's Fan]

just so you guys know if you get in twice in 70/30s your only 49% to win both of them. Also people forget the times they win 70/30s and 80/20s because they feel they are supposed to win those. Poker is a game of small edges with huge amounts of variance but in the long run will more or less even out for people in most cases. Online tables get up to 100 hands per hour compared to 25 live so getting 4x as many hands will also cause way more royal flushes, quads stuff you dont see live (this is if your only one tabling, if your 4 tabling its 16x, and for me 24 tabling I'm getting 96x more hands per hour)

[Bswitz32]

Bodog is ridiculous! Totally rigged. I had 10 10 two hands in a row and lost both hands to AA and KK? Come on!

BOL luck though....going to try pokerstars now

[k13]

hand after hand after hand

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Kh Kd]
joaoomachado: raises and is all-in
Hero: calls and is all-in
joaoomachado: shows [9s Ad]
*** FLOP *** [Qd 2h 3c]
*** TURN *** [Qd 2h 3c] [5d]
*** RIVER *** [Qd 2h 3c 5d] [Ac]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
joaoomachado: shows [9s Ad] (a pair of Aces)
Hero: shows [Kh Kd] (a pair of Kings)



Next hand/game. I'm on BB


*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ad Ah]
Hero: raises and is all-in
aknaller: calls
aknaller: shows [7c Kc]
*** FLOP *** [7d 9c 4c]
*** TURN *** [7d 9c 4c] [5d]
*** RIVER *** [7d 9c 4c 5d] [3c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [Ad Ah] (a pair of Aces)
aknaller: shows [7c Kc] (a flush, King high)

[k13]

If I have AA/KK, there's a raise/shove before me, I'm already opening a new game/window

[k13]

just so you guys know if you get in twice in 70/30s your only 49% to win both of them. Also people forget the times they win 70/30s and 80/20s because they feel they are supposed to win those. Poker is a game of small edges with huge amounts of variance but in the long run will more or less even out for people in most cases. Online tables get up to 100 hands per hour compared to 25 live so getting 4x as many hands will also cause way more royal flushes, quads stuff you dont see live (this is if your only one tabling, if your 4 tabling its 16x, and for me 24 tabling I'm getting 96x more hands per hour)

Dude I can lose 70% 17 times in a fucken row, calculate the odds of that.

80% 8 times in a row, no problem

Lose 75% of coin flips.

[venhitman]

re

those who defend the rigged pokerrooms, just play there and compare to live play and absolutely will see the difference, online softwares are made every idiot to can beat you with some shit cards like k7, 57or playing everyhand a6 or similar

[cala56]

Online poker is cheat.

[big joe 1212]

I have had many people tell me that Poker Stars is river rigged!

[joe blow]

I tell you one thing..that ripoff report site.It is some crooked site.You can say anything about anyone,and u can't get it off the report unless u pay!!!!

[muldoon]

Truth is, just like online blackjack, you'll see way more hands than you would in person. By our nature, we dwell on the negative and gloss over the positive. Catch 3 rivers in a row and you'll smirk and maybe give a little fist pump to the screen. Get riverred 3 times to knock you out for the night and you'll still be seeing that river card at breakfast.

[muldoon]

those who defend the rigged pokerrooms, just play there and compare to live play and absolutely will see the difference, online softwares are made every idiot to can beat you with some shit cards like k7, 57or playing everyhand a6 or similar

Online poker is built for players who want to play shit cards and wouldn't play them live. That's the only difference. You just won't see people playing the garbage hands you will online at a B&M.

[daneblazer]

the gamblers fallacy & variance are in full swing in this thread

[Bigmikesm]

I haven't messed around with online poker in over a year. Too many bad beats. The underdog always prevails.

[WileOut]

the gamblers fallacy & variance are in full swing in this thread

Calculate the odds of this. 13 straight all ins between me and 1 other person. Starting all the all ins I had between a 70-79% chance to win 6 of them, and at least an 80% chance to win 7 of them. Lost every one. Variance cannot account for this. The above is probably equivalent to winning the lottery.

By the way, this came right after I cashed out for 5000 profit.

[muldoon]

Calculate the odds of this. 13 straight all ins between me and 1 other person. Starting all the all ins I had between a 70-79% chance to win 6 of them, and at least an 80% chance to win 7 of them. Lost every one. Variance cannot account for this. The above is probably equivalent to winning the lottery.

By the way, this came right after I cashed out for 5000 profit.

Let's see the hand history of these 13 all in's.

[WileOut]

I don't have it. It happened at poker room in 2006. I'm on my 2nd computer since then.

It's true.

I mean they caught the owners or some other employees using master accounts at some other major poker site. Its naive to say that there is no way it's happening. And if you had happen to you what happened to me, then found out about the master accounts too, you would have my point of view too. None of the sites are regulated.

[Patrick McIrish]

I never get tired of these threads, ever, LOL.

[k13]

Let's see the hand history of these 13 all in's.

I believe him, happens to me everyday.

Wish I could win the lottery everyday.

[k13]

Magic at PS never stops. Had no chance here.




*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ac Ah]
Hero: raises and is all-in
dikkybiggs: callsand is all-in
rfames: shows [As Kd]

I guess I'm a small fav preflop right.....

*** FLOP *** [8d Js 9c]

nothing really dangerous right....

*** TURN *** [8d Js 9c] [Qh]
*** RIVER *** [8d Js 9c Qh] [Ts]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [Ac Ah] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
rfames: shows [As Kd] (a straight, Ten to Ace)

[k13]

I run good, hand after hand


*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ad Ac]
boondoggler1: raises 2904 to 4104 and is all-in
Hero: raises 3384 to 7488 and is all-in
boondoggler1: shows [7d 7h]
*** FLOP *** [9d 7c 5c]
*** TURN *** [9d 7c 5c] [Tc]
*** RIVER *** [9d 7c 5c Tc] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
boondoggler1: shows [7d 7h] (three of a kind, Sevens)
Hero: shows [Ad Ac] (a pair of Aces)

[k13]

minute after minute


Dealt to Hero [Ad Ac]
seppe123: calls and is all-in
Hero: raises and is all-in
seppe123: shows [Kc Jc]
*** FLOP *** [Kh 9s 8c]
*** TURN *** [Kh 9s 8c] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [Kh 9s 8c 2s] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [Ad Ac] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
seppe123: shows [Kc Jc] (three of a kind, Kings)

[k13]

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [9d 9c]
Ro-983: raises 9600 to 10800
Hero: callsand is all-in
Ro-983: shows [As 9s]
*** FLOP *** [Kh 7c Ah]
*** TURN *** [Kh 7c Ah] [6d]
*** RIVER *** [Kh 7c Ah 6d] [Td]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [9d 9c] (a pair of Nines)
Ro-983: shows [As 9s] (a pair of Aces)

[k13]

btw, all those were at Final Tables.

[Brick]

I love pokerstars, just a pain to get money in there now.

[k13]

dude who does not believe all those 3 outers in a row,

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero[Ah 7h]
tzr204: raises 300 to 400
Hero: raises and is all-in
tzr204: calls
tzr204: shows [As 4c]
*** FLOP *** [4d Js 5h]
*** TURN *** [4d Js 5h] [Jh]
*** RIVER *** [4d Js 5h Jh] [Qd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tzr204: shows [As 4c] (two pair, Jacks and Fours)
Hero: shows [Ah 7h] (a pair of Jacks)

[k13]

What are the odds at so far???? 1 in 8000???

[k13]

Took a break, add this one to the odds.

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ad Ah]
pokerbuffy68: raises 1045 to 1195 and is all-in
Hero: calls and is all-in
Molloy111: shows [9h 9d]

*** FLOP *** [Qc 9c 8h]
*** TURN *** [Qc 9c 8h] [7s]
*** RIVER *** [Qc 9c 8h 7s] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [Ad Ah] (a pair of Aces)
Molloy111: shows [9h 9d] (three of a kind, Nines)

Next one should be a 3 outer.

[sportsfun]

when talking about online, no one knows for sure how cards are dealt.

[daneblazer]

when talking about online, no one knows for sure how cards are dealt.

until now!!!!!1

http://www.realdealpoker.com/