Breaking News: Gunfire Inside Pulse Orlando Nightclub

[jjgold]

Yes Father thing is strange too

FBI knew pretty quick it was a terror attack

[shari91]

Has anyone seen the shooter's father's videos??? Guy claimed to be some Afghan govt leader with his own intelligence agency against Pakistan and sources inside the Congress here in the U.S. This story is about to get more interesting.

Yep I've seen them. The father is a genuine nutbag. They're all still on YouTube with the wackjob wearing military gear like he's going to war.

And jj - as far as why no one was carrying, I've been to many gay clubs, including several in Orlando when I still lived there and the bouncers were more worried about Bible Bashing homophobic prikks with Swastikas and/or the Confederate Flag tattoos coming in to attack their patrons than say a slick looking Middle Eastern dude. It's not like you can tell if everyone is gay by looking at them and many of those guys can't live as themselves at home so they do in first world countries. He would've just looked like a patron there for a good time, the cowardly sick mother fukking piece of fukking rubbish.

[brooks85]

^sounds like those bouncers were making the same mistake the rest of the gay community and liberals were making. They know who their real enemy is now.



















Government is too big and no accountability.


How someone like myself can't order 6k rounds of ammo without homeland security showing up at my door while this proven ISIS supporter who was interviewed twice can buy a gun without even an alert is evident enough to the problem.

[d2bets]

^sounds like those bouncers were making the same mistake the rest of the gay community and liberals were making. They know who their real enemy is now.



















Government is too big and no accountability.


How someone like myself can't order 6k rounds of ammo without homeland security showing up at my door while this proven ISIS supporter who was interviewed twice can buy a gun without even an alert is evident enough to the problem.

Yes to the bolded part.

I do feel good though if Homeland Security actually investigated you buying 6k rounds of ammo.

[jjgold]

This possibly could of been prevented

He should of never of been allowed to buy guns..how was he not flagged???

A terrorist buys guns and FBI knew he was one

[shari91]

^sounds like those bouncers were making the same mistake the rest of the gay community and liberals were making. They know who their real enemy is now.



















Government is too big and no accountability.


How someone like myself can't order 6k rounds of ammo without homeland security showing up at my door while this proven ISIS supporter who was interviewed twice can buy a gun without even an alert is evident enough to the problem.

I wonder if it had something to do with his job as a security guard. I have no clue but other than that I honestly couldn't figure it out. Maybe he went ammo shopping from place to place?!

I will say though this is fukking horrible and it's so close to home as not only do I still have a home there and lived there for quite a few years but I know many posters here do too. This crap happens so randomly these days regardless of your sexual orientation, where you're living, what you're doing (Boston Marathon) and what demographic you're in - aka too many high socio-economic ones to mention - please just value your life no matter what's going on. And if you don't value your life, you best value the life of others because I dare you to face me if you don't xo

[JIBBBY]

ATF said he bought the gun legally...you can't buy a "automatic assault rifle" legally unless you have military or law enforcement credentials and even then it's not that simple...so which is it? Did he buy the gun legally or was is an actual "automatic assault rifle"??...you sound like you don't know what you are talking about, that's all..

I know exactly what I'm talking about...

What ever the case was he did purchase an AR-15 from a local gun store legally.. Whether or not he converted himself is irrelevant.. It's not that hard to do..



I am firmly against selling Assault riffles ready to convert from gun stores in cities or populated areas.. What's the point of owning AR's in a populated city? Ban Assault riffles I say!!!!! Fock it we don't need em... Too lethal and dangerous to have in populated areas..

I own a gun (.357 magnum) myself just for the record and feel a little safer owning it for home protection.. I like owning my gun.. I don't need an AR though for home protection....

[jjgold]

Bottom line he was a terrorist..many ties

Ban guns period..nobody needs one for anything

Hunting is murder actually

[JIBBBY]

They should be pulled over 25 times more than whites. Their crime rate is about 25 times that of white people.

Again, black males...only make up 5% of the entire US population. But they do over 50% of the violent crime in this country. You better believe the police should be checking them. I can't believe they are only pulled over 3X as much. It should be way MORE than that if the police were doing their jobs. But we got police running scared of being labeled racists so much that they've given up on policing blacks. Thats why the murder rate in Chicago and St Louis has skyrocketed. Police have given up on it.

But again, all of you progressive beta SJW morons never look at stats. Never look at data. You are willfully ignorant. I am very conservative, and I know Trump really is not much of a conservative, if at all - but I guarantee if he gets elected we won't be having a President make excuses for these violent parasites that have tried to destroy the US culture. We won't have a President blaming white people for violent Muslims wanting to kill us. We will have a President that tells it like it is.

And the flat out truth is that #1. Islam is at war with everyone who is not Muslim. If every single terrorist attack in multiple countries, and the very words of the Koran cannot convince you, then nothing will. #2. They will use any means necessary to inflict as many deaths as possible. #3. The way to win this war is to either kill them all, or convert them all. There's no making peace with people that want to kill you. Taking weapons away from them is IMPOSSIBLE. Naive. And stupid to even consider.

As for blacks, complete loss cause until they stop having babies out of wedlock. The only way government can help change that is to end welfare and stop incentivizing baby making. Till that changes, nothing in that community will change. Going to be poor, angry, violent, and lacking discipline growing up with only mama in the home. Ain't nobody can change that till they do it themselves.

I like this guy he has a real clue.. BINGO great post!!!!!!!

[opie1988]

Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

[jjgold]

Plaza with post of the year !

[JIBBBY]

Muslims...could they get any worse....I mean seriously a religion that preaches child molestation, terrorism, mass murder....I mean seriously Muslims do you ever think maybe you're just worshipping the Devil?

When it becomes extreme yes you are basically worshiping the devil IMO...

Let's me put it this way - When your strongest desire in a faith is to eliminate everyone outside your own faith that certainly becomes the work of the devil.. It doesn't get any more evil then that.. Any faith or belief that is not willing to co-exist with others is extremely dangerous in nature..

[Mac4Lyfe]

I know exactly what I'm talking about...

What ever the case was he did purchase an AR-15 from a local gun store legally.. Whether or not he converted himself is irrelevant.. It's not that hard to do..



I am firmly against selling Assault riffles ready to convert from gun stores in cities or populated areas.. What's the point of owning AR's in a populated city? Ban Assault riffles I say!!!!! Fock it we don't need em... Too lethal and dangerous to have in populated areas..

I own a gun (.357 magnum) myself just for the record and feel a little safer owning it for home protection.. I like owning my gun.. I don't need an AR though for home protection....

I totally agree. We need to ban all these assault weapons. The AR15 is the gun of choice for these copycats. What reasonable good purpose does someone have for owning one? Unfortunately, too many interest groups do not want any gun regulation because that's how they get paid. They dont want us tracking and spying on these wackos either. Plus they don't want us to prevent these radical groups on known watch lists from purchasing these weapons of mass destruction. Things will never change until we hit the gun manufacturers where it hurts, Their pocketbooks.

[Snoman]

Gun company stock shoots up after Pulse happens. Why the penetrate wouldn't they do everything possible to stop the banning of any kind of weapons/ammo.

Some ****** decisions have been made over and over and career politicians who provide ZERO value to our society stand in the way of making societal and civil progress. They're the ones that should be shot.

[jjgold]

Why the AR-14??

Does it hold a lot of rounds?

[opie1988]

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[Auto Donk]

then why is afghani's in love Bacha Bazi? Also why do muslim men always want to screw women in the ass? I have heard this from at least 5 different women. Not trying to argue but respectfully asking you.

most women ask me to give it to them up the ass.... particularly caucasian and latinas..... african americans, not so much.....

[Auto Donk]

Bad guys will always have weapons. Hilary and Obama want to blame gun control which only effects law abiding citizens instead of the intolerant religion of Islam.

Muslims can't and don't want to coexist with non Muslims. Send them all back to afghan where they can blow each other up over the deviations of Islam.

well put, Aaron.... simpletons like JJ and other gun control nuts fail to comprehend that simple fact....

THE CRIMINAL ELEMENT WILL ALWAYS HAVE ACCESS TO WEAPONS, INCLUDING SO-CALLED "ASSAULT WEAPONS," NO MATTER HOW MANY MORE BANS OR LAWS WE ENACT TO RID OUR COUNTRY OF THEM.....

Think of guns in the hands of criminals like, for example, cocaine or molly or weed (in states where it's not legal) in the hands of criminals.... Blow and other such illicit drugs have been "banned," and possession of same prohibited for decades, yet any criminal can still get his hands on them within' a couple hours of desiring them. Guns will be no different, Michael Jack....

Take away law abiding citizens' guns, and only the criminals and gov't will have them.... not a good situation at all.....

[themike78]

When it becomes extreme yes you are basically worshiping the devil IMO...

Let's me put it this way - When your strongest desire in a faith is to eliminate everyone outside your own faith that certainly becomes the work of the devil.. It doesn't get any more evil then that.. Any faith or belief that is not willing to co-exist with others is extremely dangerous in nature..

I don't even consider it a religion. It is more like a cult where people are brainwashed. Thank God I was not born into that cult and live my life like a slave to some made up fake god Allah. Who the fuk is that anyways?

[d2bets]

I don't even consider it a religion. It is more like a cult where people are brainwashed. Thank God I was not born into that cult and live my life like a slave to some made up fake god Allah. Who the fuk is that anyways?

All religions are cults. Some are just more or less benevolent than others.

[Auto Donk]

this little .223 caliber weapon is nothing near the weaponry I posses here at Donkland.... Take my seven mag, for example, it packs twice the power and has better range, and the lead I throw will blow plate sized holes in you 5-6 times the diameter of what a typical .223 bullet will do.... and I could easily fashion a forty round clip for it, if I so desired....

although this relatively small caliber .223 weapon looks like a "military style" "assault" weapon, it is far less lethal..... aggressive looks of a gun don't enhance accuracy, power, or range..... banning weapons because of "how they look" is one of the stupidest things the gov't ever did.....

[TheSideBet]

The shooter's dad is definitely one to be talked to in this and his connections. Browsing hi Facebook and he's got pics of dead kids in Afghanistan blaming Britain and pics of himself meeting with State Dept officials and looking into hearings as well as all the rest of the reported information about his ties to the players in the region.

Seddique Mateen or Durand Jirga on Facebook give it a look.

[jjgold]

No most of the bad guys bought guns at legal establishment

[Auto Donk]

People keep talking about how safe we are in Texas because apparently everyone is armed?? Bullshit. We just had a Marine suffering from PTSD shoot up one of the nicest neighborhoods in Houston down the street from me killing and injuring many. This dude shot up a cop car 5 blocks away. He was such a good shot he perfectly outlined bullets on the driver and passenger side like a target at a shooting range. He blew up a gas station hitting a fuel tank as well.

Everybody at Fort Hood is packing heat but that did nothing to stop mass shooting gunmen in 2009 and 2014.

let me be very clear on this subject: I am very safe at home here in DonkLand.... armed to the teeth, ready to defend. However, I rarely pack heat when I leave the house for protection. I wouldn't be able to shoot shit on most days away from the house.

as for the dope that said he has no problem with pistols, shotguns, and hunting rifles, but did have a problem with .223 caliber AR-15's, calling them "weapons of mass destruction".... let me be clear on this:

If I was a sick son of a bitch, I could grab my deer rifle, over/under shotguns, and .357 magnum, and jump in my SUV and go on a killing spree across the greater Houston area that would make the gay bar murders look like mere child's play. I could kill 10-15 people in the walmart parking lot with my 7 mag, move down a few parking lots to the home depot and do the same, then to willowbrook mall and probably take out another 20-30 without anyone ever knowing where the shots were coming from.... I'm good out to 400 yds with my deadly-ass 7 mag, which makes a bullshit ar-15 look like a cap gun, performance wise, when compared to my arsenal.....

any damn rifle can be what the dope claimed were "weapons of mass destruction" if in the wrong hands.....

[jjgold]

Guns have to be banned period

Ruining USA

Lol hub supporters are nuts

[chico2663]

The shooter's dad is definitely one to be talked to in this and his connections. Browsing hi Facebook and he's got pics of dead kids in Afghanistan blaming Britain and pics of himself meeting with State Dept officials and looking into hearings as well as all the rest of the reported information about his ties to the players in the region.

Seddique Mateen or Durand Jirga on Facebook give it a look.

i shared an article on page before that makes you believe he was in cahoot with our govt.

[capitalist pig]

In FL when we do background checks, we use the standard Federal form 4473 and its the FDLE not the FBI that does the background check, if a person has a criminal record it will pop up at FDLE from FBI records, but that doesnt mean they cant buy a gun, it will depend on what the crime was and how long ago it was committed. There is no record on the 4473 form of what kind of gun is being purchased, its either a handgun or a long gun, we just check a box on the form, serial numbers are required. The Federal govt has no clue as to what is bought. Him having a class G license would have made it possible to not have to wait the the three days waiting period on handguns, there is no waiting period on long guns in FL.

For the guy who said something about filing down the magazine to make it full auto, you should probably leave the working of guns to those of us that understand how they work. An AR 15 would have to have the Sear replaced in the lower reciever to make it full auto, and to buy one of those auto sears you will have to have the ATF approve it and that will take at least 6 months if you are even approved, you also give up your 4th amendment rights regarding search and seizure by owning anything classified as class 3 by the ATF

Later

[Auto Donk]

Guns have to be banned period

Ruining USA

Lol hub supporters are nuts

so, JJ, given your short as it may have been "mob" application/run, are you telling us you're really that ignorant so as to believe that criminals are going to line up and turn in their guns? that they won't simply import weapons from other countries to get around any such ban? like the ban on blow? criminals are called CRIMINALS because they don't obey the fukkin' laws, JJ..... INCLUDING F'N GUN LAWS/GUN BANS.....

do you think those mobsters you tried to hook up with are going to turn in their pieces and never pack heat?

YOU'VE made the same idiotic "guns have to be banned period" statement four or five times in this thread alone.....

repeating it so often, such that you might even believe it yourself, doesn't make it true. anyone who wants a gun will ultimately find a way to get it, and not all the f'n gun bans in the f'n world will change that.....

don't believe me??? how hard would it be for you to get your hands on a f'n 8-ball or a dimebag of weed in Vegas this afternoon????

and that shit has been "banned" for f'n decades.....

again, Mr. Corbin, CRIMINALS DO NOT F'N OBEY THE LAW, THAT'S WHY WE CALL THEM F'N CRIMINALS.... THEY WON'T OBEY GUN BANS.... and any terrorist or psycho that wants to shoot something up and kill innocent people here in the US will always be able to ultimately get their hands on a mother f'n gun and carry out their dastardly deeds.....

[opie1988]

In FL when we do background checks, we use the standard Federal form 4473 and its the FDLE not the FBI that does the background check, if a person has a criminal record it will pop up at FDLE from FBI records, but that doesnt mean they cant buy a gun, it will depend on what the crime was and how long ago it was committed. There is no record on the 4473 form of what kind of gun is being purchased, its either a handgun or a long gun, we just check a box on the form, serial numbers are required. The Federal govt has no clue as to what is bought. Him having a class G license would have made it possible to not have to wait the the three days waiting period on handguns, there is no waiting period on long guns in FL.

For the guy who said something about filing down the magazine to make it full auto, you should probably leave the working of guns to those of us that understand how they work. An AR 15 would have to have the Sear replaced in the lower reciever to make it full auto, and to buy one of those auto sears you will have to have the ATF approve it and that will take at least 6 months if you are even approved, you also give up your 4th amendment rights regarding search and seizure by owning anything classified as class 3 by the ATF

Later

I was thinking exact same thing. If it was that easy to turn your AR into a full auto....i
would've done it years ago!

[JIBBBY]

Guns have to be banned period

Ruining USA

Lol hub supporters are nuts

Even though I'm not in favor of completely banning all guns in the US that gun ban would certainly reduce lethal shooting crimes over time that's for sure.. Automatic weapons certainly need to be banned in the US period.. They serve no practical purpose in society. They do the most damage to innocent civilians in drive byes or club shootings like this. You can't hunt with them, can't really defend your home with them either.. GET RID OF THEM!!!!

I live in California and we have some of the strictest gun laws in the Country.. Very hard to get an AK or AR here, and if you are caught with one you are doing hard time..

I believe every State should implement these California gun laws.. Can only help while still keeping normal gun owners like myself reasonably happy..

http://www.shouselaw.com/pc12280.html

I.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California

[habitualwinning]

I sure don't know the solution because the bible says that you will always have the poor. So if you always have the poor, inherently you are going to have people who want what you have and see no way to get it legally. I do think we all have to take responsibility to reach one, teach one. Try to help one at a time. You can't eat an elephant in a day. Gun issues, child poverty, broken homes, military suicide rates, Islamic fundamentalist, etc., etc. there's so many issues, you try to help where you can. If the masses would each do a little, we could end up doing a lot. The problem is that most people don't know where to start and we don't have leadership to show us the way. Unfortunately, I don't see the 2 party system as the answer. It's going to take someone with a tremendous amount of vision that can cause everyone to change. Which might be 100 years from now.

Agreed. There are very few solid role models today. The political spectrum will almost never solve anything major, it rarely has. The only solution I see really is to start locally at a grassroots level and just do our best to implement positive change. It's difficult and it takes a long while to see progress but it's better than not trying at all. One person can make a difference, there have been numerous examples throughout history of that.

[JIBBBY]

I was thinking exact same thing. If it was that easy to turn your AR into a full auto....i
would've done it years ago!

If there is a will there is a way.. I guarantee I can do it in a relatively short amount of time if I really wanted too..

Can order gun parts out of Country and have it shipped, you can find ways to convert to auto.. I call it fairly easy if you have half a brain, some mechanical skills and a bank account.. Can search youtube and figure it out it's just that simple.. It's not rocket science...

[capitalist pig]

Even though I'm not in favor of completely banning all guns in the US that gun ban would certainly reduce lethal shooting crimes over time that's for sure.. Automatic weapons certainly need to be banned in the US period.. They serve no practical purpose in society. They do the most damage to innocent civilians in drive byes or club shootings like this. You can't hunt with them, can't really defend your home with them either.. GET RID OF THEM!!!!

I live in California and we have some of the strictest gun laws in the Country.. Very hard to get an AK or AR here, and if you are caught with one you are doing hard time..

I believe every State should implement these California gun laws.. Can only help while still keeping normal gun owners like myself reasonably happy..

http://www.shouselaw.com/pc12280.html

I.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California

Full auto weapons are banned in all states and have been for like 70 + years, the only way to own one is to go through the ATF and it takes at least 6 months of checks and you may or may not get approved depending in what state and county you live in.

Also there has not been a killing in the USA with a LEGAL FULL AUTO gun in the USA since 1934, so quit calling ARs and AKs that are sold in the USA auto guns, they are semi auto guns that require the pull of the trigger for each round. As far as your CA gun laws keep them in CA the rest of us are not comfortable giving up our rights just because you chose to. Besides its not illegal or that hard to CA to own ARs or AKs, they just have to be CA compliant, which most gun companies that choose to do business in CA have gotten around.

Later

[TheSideBet]

Guns have to be banned period

Ruining USA

Lol hub supporters are nuts

If these Muslims who keep shooting and blowing things up don't represent all of Islam then why should they represent all gun owners? Guns aren't the problem.

[JIBBBY]

Full auto weapons are banned in all states and have been for like 70 + years, the only way to own one is to go through the ATF and it takes at least 6 months of checks and you may or may not get approved depending in what state and county you live in.

Also there has not been a killing in the USA with a LEGAL FULL AUTO gun in the USA since 1934, so quit calling ARs and AKs that are sold in the USA auto guns, they are semi auto guns that require the pull of the trigger for each round. As far as your CA gun laws keep them in CA the rest of us are not comfortable giving up our rights just because you chose to. Besides its not illegal or that hard to CA to own ARs or AKs, they just have to be CA compliant, which most gun companies that choose to do business in CA have gotten around.

Later

I was referring to legally buying the base models and converting them illegally.. If you can't buy the AR-15 from a local gun store in the first place legally that makes things more difficult.. Bottom line rant make it tougher for the nuts to obtain these types of weapons was all I was saying..