Breaking News: Gunfire Inside Pulse Orlando Nightclub

**PittsburghPlayer** · 06-13-16, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by freeVICK

Wow keep us updated snowball

Received word...

Snowball is Eric Snowden...

and has been assassinated.

knew too much !

RIP Snowball

**brooks85** · 06-13-16, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Higher caliber of bullet also coming out of those AR's which nobody seems to think about posting in this thread.

so you think if this round or AR rifle was restricted last night wouldn't have happened or wouldn't have been as bad?

**chico2663** · 06-13-16, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by bettilimbroke999

The military issues select-fire automatic rifles...illegal to own (up to 10 years in prison) not semi-automatic rifles...rifles are by design much more effective shooting targets at longer distances...in close-quarters they are no more effective save for the general increase in capacity of their magazines (more bullets) but this is easily augmented by higher-capacity magazines which are unseemly for carrying for personal protection but would obviously be useful to someone looking to shoot as many ppl as possible before reloading...many special ops forces are issued pistols for close combat.

exactly what i was stating

**bettilimbroke999** · 06-13-16, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Higher caliber of bullet also coming out of those AR's which nobody seems to think about posting in this thread.

Lower caliber bullet...but higher speed yes. What difference this would make in close quarters I have no idea as a handgun's wide bullet comes out plenty fast enough from 30 feet to kill you effectively...sure from a 100 yards a rifle would be necessary but in a room I fail to even see the benefits of ARs. Some jerk themselves off about the ARs higher capacity (30 rounds)...failing to note that there are high-capacity magazines for handguns as well and the ease of having more than one handgun on you.

We should do a test I go into a gay club with my pistols and you with an AR....okay nevermind bad idea...but you probably see my point...the main issue ISN'T which gun was used (as both would have been effective) but the fact that none of the victims had a gun with which to defend themselves....now THAT could have instantly changed things. The media NEVER shows THAT side of the gun argument but it's happened numerous times before. Here's a story you've probably never heard of THAT you WOULD HAVE heard of if not for a gun-carrying citizen.

See ironically when a citizen shoots a potential mass shooter hellbent on killing as many as he can BUT BC HE WAS SHOT BY A GUN-CARRYING CITIZEN only killed 4 instead of 50 or whatever it doesn't get the attention if he'd not been stopped and gone on and killed dozens. This is why stories like these get discarded and forgotten bc they don't include a ton of dead ppl (thanks to gun-carrying citizen) and bc they don't serve the media's interest in taking your guns away from you and leaving you defenseless against anyone with a gun like the gay ppl at the club in Orlando.

2007 Colorado YWAM and New Life shootings - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Colorado_YWAM_and_New_Life_shootings

**Smoke** · 06-13-16, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by bettilimbroke999

Lower caliber bullet...but higher speed yes. What difference this would make in close quarters I have no idea as a handgun's wide bullet comes out plenty fast enough from 30 feet to kill you effectively...sure from a 100 yards a rifle would be necessary but in a room I fail to even see the benefits of ARs. Some jerk themselves off about the ARs higher capacity (30 rounds)...failing to note that there are high-capacity magazines for handguns as well and the ease of having more than one handgun on you.

We should do a test I go into a gay club with my pistols and you with an AR....okay nevermind bad idea...but you probably see my point...the main issue ISN'T the type of gun used to execute ppl but the fact that none of the victims had a gun with which to defend themselves....now THAT could have instantly changed things. The media NEVER shows THAT side of the gun argument but it's happened numerous times before. Here's a story you've probably never heard of THAT you WOULD HAVE heard of if not for a gun-carrying citizen.

See ironically when a citizen shoots the mass shooter hellbent on killing as many as he can and bc he was shot he only kills 4 instead of 50...it doesn't get the attention if he'd not been stopped and gone on and killed dozens...this is why stories like these get discarded and forgotten bc they don't include a ton of dead ppl (thanks to gun-carrying citizen) and bc they don't serve the media's interest in taking your guns away from you and leaving you defenseless against anyone with a gun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_C...Life_shootings

Most gays don't carry guns you fukkin idiot. And even if they did it would be a small pistol. No match for an AR. Try again you gorilla

**TheMoneyShot** · 06-13-16, 07:09 PM

So is this going to be a pattern now? ISIS will attack gays because they don't fight back?

One big pu$$y network.

**JIBBBY** · 06-13-16, 07:14 PM

The Paris shooting AR's were used as well if I'm not mistaken.. No need for those weapons in society.. I stand by that.. Hand guns are deadly too but not as intimidating or powerful...

I just can't see how this guy was able to get into this club with one of those? Mind boggling...

**chico2663** · 06-13-16, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by bettilimbroke999

Lower caliber bullet...but higher speed yes. What difference this would make in close quarters I have no idea as a handgun's wide bullet comes out plenty fast enough from 30 feet to kill you effectively...sure from a 100 yards a rifle would be necessary but in a room I fail to even see the benefits of ARs. Some jerk themselves off about the ARs higher capacity (30 rounds)...failing to note that there are high-capacity magazines for handguns as well and the ease of having more than one handgun on you.
We should do a test I go into a gay club with my pistols and you with an AR....okay nevermind bad idea...but you probably see my point...the main issue ISN'T which gun was used (as both would have been effective) but the fact that none of the victims had a gun with which to defend themselves....now THAT could have instantly changed things. The media NEVER shows THAT side of the gun argument but it's happened numerous times before. Here's a story you've probably never heard of THAT you WOULD HAVE heard of if not for a gun-carrying citizen.

See ironically when a citizen shoots a potential mass shooter hellbent on killing as many as he can BUT BC HE WAS SHOT BY A GUN-CARRYING CITIZEN only killed 4 instead of 50 or whatever it doesn't get the attention if he'd not been stopped and gone on and killed dozens. This is why stories like these get discarded and forgotten bc they don't include a ton of dead ppl (thanks to gun-carrying citizen) and bc they don't serve the media's interest in taking your guns away from you and leaving you defenseless against anyone with a gun like the gay ppl at the club in Orlando.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_C...Life_shootings

He had a shootout with an off duty sheriff on the way in. so not sure how valid your argument is. Unless you are behind something most people

**JIBBBY** · 06-13-16, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by brooks85

so you think if this round or AR rifle was restricted last night wouldn't have happened or wouldn't have been as bad?

Don't know but I've seen what AK's and AR's have done in the hoods of Los Angeles California over the years.. This is why the California strict gun laws are in play..

Those guns are no joke Brooksy.. I'd say if you live on a farm and love your guns then more power to you.. In the city not good...

**PittsburghPlayer** · 06-13-16, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by TheMoneyShot

So is this going to be a pattern now? ISIS will attack gays because they don't fight back?

One big pu$$y network.

Would you prefer a mall or restaurant, movie theater, gov`t building or Church like a white terrorist.

This man should be on a stamp!!

**Bluehorseshoe** · 06-13-16, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by TheMoneyShot

So is this going to be a pattern now? ISIS will attack gays because they don't fight back?

One big pu$$y network.

I just think the gunman had a problem with his own sexuality. He religion made it worse.

**bettilimbroke999** · 06-13-16, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

Because they allow punk ass bitches to mow down dozens of people in a few minutes.

Do you have any limits to what weapons people should be able to legally own? Do you have any limits on what companies can manufacture and sell to the buying public. If you don't see a problem with people owning high powered assault rifles, what do you say about someone owning a bazooka, hand grenades, or anti-aircraft guns? WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE?

Nobodies gonna take my anti-aircraft guns I need them for dove hunting

I have no problem with a semi-automatic of any kind being owned by anyone fit (mentally) to own one...I have seen and shot semi-automatics for years and they are not foreign evil objects to me...I see the shooter as an evil and/or mentally deranged individual who shouldn't have had ANY guns BUT since he did I don't feel the correct solution is to remove the guns from law-abiding citizens who could've stopped this massacre. Not everyone trusts the government...the President is a Muslim and wants Muslim refugees to come here and kill you...now is not the time to be disarming the population and have them cower like lil bitches waiting for Omar to kill them.

The expression not going down without a fight comes to mind...I understand your strategy of simply cowering but if you do that Omar is going to add you to his list of victims.

**KRIT** · 06-13-16, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by Snowball

Mateen was probably just another gay guy at the bar
who they pinned due to his old FBI case. the real killers are still at large.

Last night I watched a father of a victim in the hospital say live on MSNBC
that his son said he saw Mateen at the bar drinking alcohol at Last Call
which was the time the shooting began. Brian Williams even pressed this
with the former Orlando Police Chief, which is archived on msnbc.com

now it is coming out that Mateen had gay friends, one was a drag queen
and he also had been to the club before and used a gay dating app.
those selfies were to hook up with men.

Meanwhile the reports of multiple shooters and closed doors while ppl
tried to escape, so much is strange about this.

Do you have any sources or links?

**d2bets** · 06-13-16, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by KRIT

Do you have any sources or links?

News is talking about he used gay dating apps.

Looks like a closet gay who hated himself and raged.

**Smoke** · 06-13-16, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by bettilimbroke999

Nobodies gonna take my anti-aircraft guns I need them for dove hunting

I have no problem with a semi-automatic of any kind being owned by anyone fit (mentally) to own one...I have seen and shot semi-automatics for years and they are not foreign evil objects to me...I see the shooter as an evil and/or mentally deranged individual who shouldn't have had ANY guns BUT since he did I don't feel the correct solution is to remove the guns from law-abiding citizens who could've stopped this massacre. Not everyone trusts the government...the President is a Muslim and wants Muslim refugees to come here and kill you...now is not the time to be disarming the population and have them cower like lil bitches waiting for Omar to kill them.

The expression not going down without a fight comes to mind...I understand your strategy of simply cowering but if you do that Omar is going to add you to his list of victims.

Obama isn't a Muslim retard and if your a law abiding citizen without a criminal record you will still be able to buy your guns idiot

**PittsburghPlayer** · 06-13-16, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

News is talking about he used gay dating apps.
Looks like a closet gay who hated himself and raged.

If he is the "new" face of terrorism...

that shoot men that suck cokk...

these guys are better terrorists than us white guys, that shoot-up schools and Churches and shit

this is good for their "recruitment"

**bettilimbroke999** · 06-13-16, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by chico2663

He had a shootout with an off duty sheriff on the way in. so not sure how valid your argument is. Unless you are behind something most people

Well try having a shootout with 300 ppl...yes if you are ready to fire and engage an individual with a gun as part of a massacre you have a significant upper hand over that particular individual...however the 299 ppl not currently being shot all HAVE THE UPPER HAND to aim and fire on the suspect...unless Omar is Neo from the Matrix a relatively well-placed bullet from one of potentially 300 gun-carrying citizens would have ended this massacre as quickly as it began.

The only difference is had the sheriff or any other individual shot the suspect before it got out of hand the media would have barely if at all reported it. As in the story I gave you previously stopping the potential mass killer before he kills dozens doesn't serve the media's anti-gun propaganda.

Imagine an objective media reporting that story I wrote...GUN-CARRYING CITIZEN SAVES A 100 PPL FROM CERTAIN DEATH...oh thank God she had a gun there is no telling how many victims there would be otherwise...no you're not ever gonna hear that bc the media has decided you dont have the Constitutional right to defend yourself...just like the media has decided that every time a white kills a black it's a hate crime and should be broadcast 24/7 for weeks to stir ppl up and when a black kills a white who cares.

**bettilimbroke999** · 06-13-16, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by Smoke

Obama isn't a Muslim retard and if your a law abiding citizen without a criminal record you will still be able to buy your guns idiot

Yea sure right

...Hussein (like Saddam) Obama son of a Kenyan Muslim with multiple wives is a Christian yea sure I forgot

If you are a felon you can't legally buy guns NOW (not that that slows them down from getting them) so wtf are you talking about...who do you not want to have guns?

**opie1988** · 06-13-16, 07:47 PM

Obama is 100% a Muslim. Anyone who doesn't see that is a fukkin retard themselves.

**bettilimbroke999** · 06-13-16, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

The Paris shooting AR's were used as well if I'm not mistaken.. No need for those weapons in society.. I stand by that.. Hand guns are deadly too but not as intimidating or powerful...

I just can't see how this guy was able to get into this club with one of those? Mind boggling...

If Omar pointed this in your face...you would be scared

**Kermit** · 06-13-16, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

News is talking about he used gay dating apps.

Looks like a closet gay who hated himself and raged.

They said that he had been to the club a dozen times and would sit by himself and get drunk and loud. His ex wife said she didn't know if he was gay or not. Sounds like he had been planning the attack for awhile.

**jtoler** · 06-13-16, 08:02 PM

Why would you believe what mainstream media says lol.

**JIBBBY** · 06-13-16, 08:07 PM

Funny how people justify shooting of all races and religions as the same random acts.. Yes we will have home grown crazies as usual, white, black, etc.. That goes without saying..

The Radical Islamic threat is an addition to that.. That is something we can target better and stop period..

Let's take a look at recent mass shootings lately taking place..

Most recently -

Orlando (Muslim shooter)

San Bernardino (Muslim shooter)

Paris (Muslim shooters)

Boston Marathon (Muslim)

That's just a couple as the list goes on.. Recent trends show Muslim Extremists to be the greatest threat.. Let's call a spade a spade people.. I'm with Trump on this..

**Twiz** · 06-13-16, 08:08 PM

This thread offers the least productive, most insultingly absent-minded discourse I've ever witnessed. And I only read two or three pages.

Politics aside, look at the top 20-50 deadliest shootings in United States history. Notice how few came between 1994-2004. Look at a graph of countries: guns per 100 people on X, gun deaths per 100,000 people on Y. One country should stick out from the regression line. Look at a graph of US states: % houses owning guns on X, gun deaths per 100,000 on Y. You will notice a strong correlation. You will also notice states like oklahoma, missouri, louisiana, alabama, arkansas, tennessee, south carolina, and georgia as outliers above the regression line. Say what you will about what those states have in common. You will notice how states like new york, massachusetts, new hampshire, washington, maine, and oregon sit well below the regression line. Say what you will about what those states have in common.

It is proven that talking politics polarizes opinions. So I'll refrain for the most part. But in a forum where NUMBERS are so relevant, I struggle to see how anyone could argue that more guns are the solution to preventing (mass) gun violence. Or that bigger guns are the solution. And if you're not part of the solution.....

Hate breeds hate. This thread is overwhelming evidence of that idea.

**opie1988** · 06-13-16, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by jtoler

Why would you believe what mainstream media says lol.

Personally I'm having a hard time comprehending how one guy shot 100 people, with 50% of them being kill shots.

I just can't get it. Were these people seriously just sitting there waiting to be shot?

**Smoke** · 06-13-16, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by opie1988

Personally I'm having a hard time comprehending how one guy shot 100 people, with 50% of them being kill shots.

I just can't get it. Were these people seriously just sitting there waiting to be shot?

**JIBBBY** · 06-13-16, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by bettilimbroke999

If Omar pointed this in your face...you would be scared

Yes but a potential fully auto or semi auto AR or AK I'd be more in fear of...

**Kermit** · 06-13-16, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by jtoler

Why would you believe what mainstream media says lol.

So why don't you just come out and say it already. The entire city of Orlando was in on this stage false flag event. Omar was a patsy and trained military personal did all of the shooting(despite dozens of witnesses claiming otherwise not to mention the guy at the gun store identifying Omar buying the guns)

C'mon man, let's hear it already. I am sure that you have some wild theories.

**jtoler** · 06-13-16, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by opie1988

Personally I'm having a hard time comprehending how one guy shot 100 people, with 50% of them being kill shots.

I just can't get it. Were these people seriously just sitting there waiting to be shot?

Also where are the bodies to legally declare death, typical absentia already. Seems more bystanders attending the supposed dead and afflicted than medical personnel. Weird they wont air on mainstream media the multiple people who said there was more than one gunman and how they werent allowed out.

**bettilimbroke999** · 06-13-16, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by Twiz

This thread offers the least productive, most insultingly absent-minded discourse I've ever witnessed. And I only read two or three pages.

Politics aside, look at the top 20-50 deadliest shootings in United States history. Notice how few came between 1994-2004. Look at a graph of countries: guns per 100 people on X, gun deaths per 100,000 people on Y. One country should stick out from the regression line. Look at a graph of US states: % houses owning guns on X, gun deaths per 100,000 on Y. You will notice a strong correlation. You will also notice states like oklahoma, missouri, louisiana, alabama, arkansas, tennessee, south carolina, and georgia as outliers above the regression line. Say what you will about what those states have in common. You will notice how states like new york, massachusetts, new hampshire, washington, maine, and oregon sit well below the regression line. Say what you will about what those states have in common.

It is proven that talking politics polarizes opinions. So I'll refrain for the most part. But in a forum where NUMBERS are so relevant, I struggle to see how anyone could argue that more guns are the solution to preventing (mass) gun violence. Or that bigger guns are the solution. And if you're not part of the solution.....

Hate breeds hate. This thread is overwhelming evidence of that idea.

You talk to Omar...I'll shoot him...we'll see who's around the next day

**jtoler** · 06-13-16, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by Kermit

So why don't you just come out and say it already. The entire city of Orlando was in on this stage false flag event. Omar was a patsy and trained military personal did all of the shooting(despite dozens of witnesses claiming otherwise not to mention the guy at the gun store identifying Omar buying the guns)

C'mon man, let's hear it already. I am sure that you have some wild theories.

Truth is stranger than fiction, I mean where do you suppose fiction writers get their material. Quit putting words in my mouth Kerm lol.

**Twiz** · 06-13-16, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Funny how people justify shooting of all races and religions as the same random acts.. Yes we will have home grown crazies as usual, white, black, etc.. That goes without saying..

The Radical Islamic threat is an addition to that.. That is something we can target better and stop period..

Let's take a look at recent mass shootings lately taking place..

Most recently -

Orlando (Muslim shooter)

San Bernardino (Muslim shooter)

Paris (Muslim shooters)

Boston Marathon (Muslim)

That's just a couple as the list goes on.. Recent trends show Muslim Extremists to be the greatest threat.. Let's call a spade a spade people.. I'm with Trump on this..

Of these instances, FOUR involved a muslim shooter.

**Kermit** · 06-13-16, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by jtoler

Also where are the bodies to legally declare death, typical absentia already. Seems more bystanders attending the supposed dead and afflicted than medical personnel. Weird they wont air on mainstream media the multiple people ho said there were more than one gunman and how they werent allowed out.

One girl that supposedly worked there claimed there was more than one gunman, but other witnesses who survived said that Omar did all of the shooting. And some guy claimed that when he ran out the back door admitted that he barricaded it.

**Kermit** · 06-13-16, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by jtoler

Truth is stranger than fiction, I mean where do you suppose fiction writers get their material. Quit putting words in my mouth Kerm lol.

Well let's hear it already. What do you think happened?

**jtoler** · 06-13-16, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Funny how people justify shooting of all races and religions as the same random acts.. Yes we will have home grown crazies as usual, white, black, etc.. That goes without saying..

The Radical Islamic threat is an addition to that.. That is something we can target better and stop period..

Let's take a look at recent mass shootings lately taking place..

Most recently -

Orlando (Muslim shooter)

San Bernardino (Muslim shooter)

Paris (Muslim shooters)

Boston Marathon (Muslim)

That's just a couple as the list goes on.. Recent trends show Muslim Extremists to be the greatest threat.. Let's call a spade a spade people.. I'm with Trump on this..

All psyops or drills, but you knew that already.