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  • absolutkaos
    SBR High Roller
    • 12-29-11
    • 213

    #5006
    Dallas up to -2.5 now...
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    • absolutkaos
      SBR High Roller
      • 12-29-11
      • 213

      #5007
      Originally posted by JM92
      Already took the Mavs - 2 here

      By far the better team and Jason Kidd will be glad to put a end to the Linsanity.
      i think the -2 is the play, it hits one of the "key numbers" (2 & 7) that LTA mentions are the ones you want to bang...
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      • Love The Action
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 11-08-10
        • 10952

        #5008
        Originally posted by No coincidences
        What do you think of the Mavs/Knicks game?

        Without the Lin hype, Dallas would be about -4 in this spot. I feel like there's value in -2.
        I agree, I think there is value in the -2. I have this game set at -3.5. However, even though Melo is out and Terry is playing, the Knicks have been playing fantastic defense lately and I expect that will keep them in this game. When teams go on these crazy rolls and really start to build camaraderie and respect for each other by playing as a team, I try not to fade them. I am going to sit this one out. Good luck in whatever you choose.
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        • Love The Action
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 11-08-10
          • 10952

          #5009
          Nice....Nuggz/Thunder steamed all the way to 211 where I also have that game set and the Bucks/Nets game is almost to the 195.5 closing range that I predicted. Let's hope that line movement continues in our favor for the rest of the day and closes at or near the current numbers.
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          • No coincidences
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 01-18-10
            • 76300

            #5010
            Really liking the Suns tonight. Any lean there LTA?
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            • migz
              SBR MVP
              • 02-11-10
              • 1160

              #5011
              Originally posted by absolutkaos

              i think the -2 is the play, it hits one of the "key numbers" (2 & 7) that LTA mentions are the ones you want to bang...
              What's 2 and 7 again? Favorites of 2 and 7 usually cover?
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              • absolutkaos
                SBR High Roller
                • 12-29-11
                • 213

                #5012
                Originally posted by migz
                What's 2 and 7 again? Favorites of 2 and 7 usually cover?
                couldn't find his posts on it, but i think it had something to do with these numbers being the most common final score differences...
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                • Trivial
                  SBR MVP
                  • 11-22-09
                  • 1328

                  #5013
                  Originally posted by absolutkaos
                  couldn't find his posts on it, but i think it had something to do with these numbers being the most common final score differences...
                  That is exactly what the key number means.

                  The difference (spread) most often ends up as 2, 7, etc as the difference in the score between the two teams. Similar to 3 and 7, 10, etc in football.

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                  • absolutkaos
                    SBR High Roller
                    • 12-29-11
                    • 213

                    #5014
                    Here's what I was looking for:

                    NBA Key Numbers
                    by Jeremy Martin


                    There are certain key numbers in professional sports that can cause trouble for bookmakers. Key numbers are most prevalent in the NFL, where a high percentage of games land on the numbers three and seven. Most people familiar with sports betting recognize these as important numbers concerning NFL wagering. However, many bettors are not aware that there are certain key numbers in the NBA that bookies must contend with on a nightly basis. Two and seven are considered the main key numbers in professional basketball.

                    Bookies have, for the most part, ignored NBA key numbers for years. But recently so many games have fallen on or close to these numbers that bookmakers have begun to take notice. The NBA has some of the biggest line moves of any of the major betting sports, so bookies must be extra careful when they set their numbers. If they move the number too much or make a bad judgment call it could cause them to get 'middled' or 'sided,' which is basically a bookie's worst nightmare (paying out on both sides or paying out on one side and returning money to all other customers).


                    Two is probably the most important of all key numbers in the NBA. When a point spread is set on or close to two, there is a high probability that the game will be close. Close games in the NBA are usually decided on the last basket and the winning team normally wins by between one and three points. Bookies must use caution when moving the number in situations like these.

                    "We really don't like to bounce back and forth from two to three," said Bob Scucci, Race & Sportsbook manager For The Stardust in Las Vegas. "Two seems to be as solid of a number as you can get in the NBA. When (the game is) as close to a 'pick'em as two is, you are anticipating a very competitive game that could go right down to the wire. That two points and three points is a big difference. You are playing for that last shot that puts it on a two. We try not to move to frequently between 1 ½ and 2 ½."

                    "In basketball ones and twos are as close to key numbers as you can get," added Doug Beil, race and sportsbook manager for Terrible's Hotel/Casino in Las Vegas. "If it is a close game and the spread is two points or less, more frequently than just random chance the games are close and they tend to fall. This goes for college (basketball) as well.

                    "Lets say one team starts out as a one-point favorite and then the other team goes off as a one-point favorite - which happens a lot in basketball. Or if you start off as a one-point favorite and then you close at two or 2 ½ -- that also happens a lot. So if it is a close game and it happens to fall on one or two, that becomes a key number that can zap you. That's the reality."

                    Sevens are so important because that is the point differential (three possessions) in the NBA when the trailing team will, in theory, stop fouling. Many NBA bettors have frustratingly torn up a losing ticket after wagering on a 6 1/2 -point dog in a close game only to see their team lose by seven in the final seconds because of a barrage of late-game fouls. Fouls and the resulting shots from the charity stripe are a big part of the game and must be factored into each and every NBA wager. According to Scucci, more and more games are falling on this key number.

                    "I have seen in recent years a lot more games falling on seven than any other number, and that's regardless of the point spread," he said. "I mean I have seen 'pick'em games that fall seven and 10-point spreads that fall on seven. That is starting to become one of those numbers to really start watching for as far as being a key number.

                    "It has everything to do with fouls. Two becomes three, becomes four, becomes seven. You know, that whole thing. It's a two-point game in the last minute (of regulation). It is back and forth, anyone's game and suddenly it turns into seven."

                    Beil believes that fouling is up in the NBA this year, especially at the end of games. He doesn't necessarily buy into the notion that teams will stop fouling when they are down by seven.

                    "I think it depends on how much time there is left," he said. "In the NBA generally speaking teams will foul if they are within 10 or 12 points. And then if they are playing teams with bad foul shooters like a Ben Wallace or Shaquille O'Neal, they will zero in and foul those guys even more. "It seems like (teams will) foul more often and earlier and later in games than years past. Maybe it has to do with how bad the foul shooters are. I've seen teams down by seven or eight with 15 seconds left fouling. It almost seems like there is no end to it unless the game is really out of reach."
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                    • BrewCrew1
                      SBR Rookie
                      • 04-24-11
                      • 27

                      #5015
                      Dallas dropped back to -2 on Sportsbook.
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                      • Dexter
                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                        • 12-24-08
                        • 25829

                        #5016
                        Originally posted by Love The Action
                        NBA 2011-2012 Regular Season 2/18/2012 Recap

                        2 - 0 = +2x

                        NBA 2011-2012 Season

                        77 - 63 = +15.75x

                        great night again LTA...
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                        • fitguy67
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 03-13-11
                          • 5082

                          #5017
                          that's an investment-grade 10%-ish yield...15.75 units netted vs. 154 (approx.) units risked (140games@1.10)...5% yield is like hitting 0.300 in baseball
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                          • BigBurk
                            SBR MVP
                            • 02-25-11
                            • 3785

                            #5018
                            Damn the Bucks total already moved to 195.5 whilst the Thunder total hit the 210.5. You have gotten some fine number before the steam hit.
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                            • 06Ech0
                              SBR High Roller
                              • 11-27-11
                              • 161

                              #5019
                              Rolling with Linsanity today!
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                              • Love The Action
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 11-08-10
                                • 10952

                                #5020
                                Originally posted by Love The Action
                                NBA 2011-2012 Regular Season 2/19/2012

                                Play #1

                                Bucks/Nets over (194) 1x (Locked)

                                I might be jumping on this one a little early as I would not be surprised to see this get down to 193.5, but I would be surprised to see this go to 193 and I would rather protect myself at the key number of 194 than risk this one going back up to 194.5 or higher. We have two offenses that are improving with respect to efficiency, but whose defenses are not good. With a game involving Brandon Jennings and Deron Williams, I expect a battle of the point-guards to result in a high-scoring game. I don't think either team will be very interested in playing defense today and both teams will be looking to pad their offensive stats in a fun offensive-oriented game. The Nets are on a b2b and 4 in 5, while the Bucks are on one day of rest and both situations have favored the over for each team this year. Last season, this matchup was set in the low 180's so this is over a 10 point adjustment which tells me the books expect a higher scoring game today. The refs are rather neutral with Phillips, Dalen and Tiven although they do favor the under this year which is not indicative of their lifetime numbers. Nevertheless, all three average over 40 fouls per game in games they ref so that is what we should expect today. The Nets are actually a top 10 team in FT/FGA so they will draw some fouls and both teams are bottom 1/3 of the league in defensive FT/FGA meaning both teams can hack it up at times. I have this game set at 197 and I expect a closing number at or around 195.5. Based on the foregoing I am rolling with the over for 1x. Good luck.

                                Play #2

                                Nuggets/Thunder over (208) 1x (Locked)

                                Last year, I was cashing unders in this matchup to some nice profit toward the end of the season. However, in this game, I think the over is the play despite the injuries to Nene and Gallinari. This game will be about about fast pace and offense. I was hoping Mozgov was out so that we could depend on a small Denver lineup and ultra-fast pace from Lawson, but despite the big guy playing I still think we see a lightning fast pace out of Lawson and Westbrook who is probable and publicly stated that he is playing. Both teams are top 5 in PACE, possessions per game and OEFF, while they remain middle-of-the-road defensively. Both teams like to draw fouls ranked top 3 in FT/FGA and the refs are conducive to the over with Malloy, Kirkland and Williams. I'm not sure why this one dropped from 210 upon opening, but I'm jumping on the value now at 208. I have this game set at 211 giving us 3 points of variance between my number and the books and I think the fast pace will make all the difference. Based on the foregoing, I am rolling with the over for 1x. Good luck.
                                Play #3

                                Jazz (+7)(-120) 1x (Locked)

                                I'm going to buy some insurance here on the key number of 7 (for all those reading the article above). If it wasn't for Utah's road record, this would be an easy play. I just think 7 points is too much when these teams are such an even matchup. I have this game set at Utah +4.5 and by buying the hook we give ourselves 2.5 points of value when compared to the 7 we are playing. Pinny is at +6 and juicing the Jazz at -107 but Legends is hanging +6.5. I would buy the hook there if you are so inclined. I know others don't like this strategy, but I maintain that it can be the right move under certain circumstances. I also maintain that such circumstances exist in this game. Utah dominates Houston statistically in both points in the paint and fast-break points/fast-break point efficiency where Utah ranks top 7 in both. Defensively, both teams matchup evenly where they rank top 5 in perimeter three point defense. However, Utah does not depend on the three pointers like Houston does so their proficiency in that area is less harmful to Utah. However, Houston is very dependent on the three and Utah's ability to defend that shot should lead to the cover tonight. I think this should be a close game throughout and I have Utah set at +4.5. If it wasn't for Utah's previous struggles on the road, this game would be set closer. Utah has had success against Houston in Houston with some of these players and that experience should help tonight. Based on the foregoing, I am rolling with the Jazz for 1x. Good luck.
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                                • JM92
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 01-27-12
                                  • 1140

                                  #5021
                                  I was thinking about adding the UTAH ML to the one of the Pistons. My first thought was actually to take Denver against my Thunder but then they said Nene wasnt playing and Westbrook was so I changed my mind and tailed you on the over. I will tail you on this one and sprinkle a little something something on the ML.
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                                  • Nikigreat
                                    SBR Sharp
                                    • 01-23-12
                                    • 424

                                    #5022
                                    I would like to go with the under in Orlando - Miami, LTA can you please tell me where you have this match set at?
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                                    • ultrasouth
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 12-23-10
                                      • 1175

                                      #5023
                                      BOL in all your plays today LTA
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                                      • apurvaas
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 01-09-12
                                        • 586

                                        #5024
                                        Originally posted by Love The Action
                                        Play #3

                                        Jazz (+7)(-120) 1x (Locked)

                                        I'm going to buy some insurance here on the key number of 7 (for all those reading the article above). If it wasn't for Utah's road record, this would be an easy play. I just think 7 points is too much when these teams are such an even matchup. I have this game set at Utah +4.5 and by buying the hook we give ourselves 2.5 points of value when compared to the 7 we are playing. Pinny is at +6 and juicing the Jazz at -107 but Legends is hanging +6.5. I would buy the hook there if you are so inclined. I know others don't like this strategy, but I maintain that it can be the right move under certain circumstances. I also maintain that such circumstances exist in this game. Utah dominates Houston statistically in both points in the paint and fast-break points/fast-break point efficiency where Utah ranks top 7 in both. Defensively, both teams matchup evenly where they rank top 5 in perimeter three point defense. However, Utah does not depend on the three pointers like Houston does so their proficiency in that area is less harmful to Utah. However, Houston is very dependent on the three and Utah's ability to defend that shot should lead to the cover tonight. I think this should be a close game throughout and I have Utah set at +4.5. If it wasn't for Utah's previous struggles on the road, this game would be set closer. Utah has had success against Houston in Houston with some of these players and that experience should help tonight. Based on the foregoing, I am rolling with the Jazz for 1x. Good luck.
                                        Damn.. I already took Hus -5.5 (-120) lol... hope we get hus -6
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                                        • 06Ech0
                                          SBR High Roller
                                          • 11-27-11
                                          • 161

                                          #5025
                                          Originally posted by 06Ech0
                                          Rolling with Linsanity today!
                                          LinCredible!
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                                          • GoggsViggs
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 06-05-10
                                            • 1884

                                            #5026
                                            Love the Jazz play bro. I'm on them too
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                                            • iMpega
                                              SBR High Roller
                                              • 04-26-10
                                              • 189

                                              #5027
                                              [quote=However, I never bet over my head or anything that I cannot afford to lose. My units constantly remain in proportion to my overall BR. My unit scale remains between 1x-5x, but plays over 1x are very rare and have to meet certain criteria. [/quote]

                                              Did you change that from last season, because you had some 15 units plays?
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                                              • dmitean
                                                SBR Sharp
                                                • 03-30-11
                                                • 364

                                                #5028
                                                Nets are in second leg of B2B2B that is known and as Under spot. Don't you worry about it or is it not part of your capping?
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                                                • apurvaas
                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                  • 01-09-12
                                                  • 586

                                                  #5029
                                                  Originally posted by dmitean
                                                  Nets are in second leg of B2B2B that is known and as Under spot. Don't you worry about it or is it not part of your capping?
                                                  I took Nets ML sac ML phx +3 philly pk hus -5.5...
                                                  Hope utah +7 and hus -5.5 both wins
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                                                  • mikea33
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 11-14-11
                                                    • 2149

                                                    #5030
                                                    apurvaas i am on the opposite of all 4 lol
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                                                    • chief42
                                                      SBR Sharp
                                                      • 01-06-10
                                                      • 315

                                                      #5031
                                                      Is anyone else planning on playing these games at 195.5 and 210.5 and plus 6? I personally am hesitant to do so and would like to hear anyone else's opinion regarding these numbers. Best of luck to everyone tonight!
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                                                      • JM92
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 01-27-12
                                                        • 1140

                                                        #5032
                                                        I played at + 6 the Jazz but out of option, could've bought the points and gotten - 7 also. Just thought + 6 @ - 105 was better value.
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                                                        • TH
                                                          SBR Rookie
                                                          • 02-07-12
                                                          • 5

                                                          #5033
                                                          Originally posted by chief42
                                                          Is anyone else planning on playing these games at 195.5 and 210.5 and plus 6? I personally am hesitant to do so and would like to hear anyone else's opinion regarding these numbers. Best of luck to everyone tonight!
                                                          I played it at 194,5 209 and 6
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                                                          • YouHave2outs
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 07-02-11
                                                            • 4448

                                                            #5034
                                                            Originally posted by chief42
                                                            Is anyone else planning on playing these games at 195.5 and 210.5 and plus 6? I personally am hesitant to do so and would like to hear anyone else's opinion regarding these numbers. Best of luck to everyone tonight!
                                                            i played 195, 209.5, and 6 also.

                                                            the standard response is learn to cap a game or to not tail blindly if you aren't sure about a play, and i completely agree. so that would mean don't make bets on these, but i just tail LTA blindly in the NBA regardless. i watched him win a lot of picks that i didn't pull the trigger on before i got wise with it.

                                                            i think there are 2 games LTA has hit in this thread that he would have lost if he hadn't caught the great line, as he is almost always beating closers. my point being, though,that you are still up a pretty good amount tailing LTA even if you got bad lines on his picks. anything can happen though obviously

                                                            thanks a lot for posting LTA, you've kept me close to even on a terrible stretch of my own picks.

                                                            gl to everyone who is tailing
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                                                            • mikea33
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 11-14-11
                                                              • 2149

                                                              #5035
                                                              I played 195.5, +6, and 210.
                                                              if i if i lose 3 bets by .5 point or so
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                                                              • Atlfan12
                                                                SBR High Roller
                                                                • 01-25-12
                                                                • 205

                                                                #5036
                                                                mikea I did the same thing, but hopefully they all hit. Obviously
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                                                                • dlunc3
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 10-31-09
                                                                  • 9129

                                                                  #5037
                                                                  This is probably terrible advice.... but a lot of times if I dont get a number I want, I will buy 2/3 points and then parlay it with a heavy -1100 ml... for example, tonight I parlayed indy ml and bought 2 points to get the okc total where i wanted it. Definitely some danger in doing this so i dont recommend it to everyone... but just my two cents
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                                                                  • Atlfan12
                                                                    SBR High Roller
                                                                    • 01-25-12
                                                                    • 205

                                                                    #5038
                                                                    This Milwaukee game is not looking to hot
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                                                                    • Les_Nuts
                                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                                      • 02-01-12
                                                                      • 931

                                                                      #5039
                                                                      Originally posted by dlunc3
                                                                      This is probably terrible advice.... but a lot of times if I dont get a number I want, I will buy 2/3 points and then parlay it with a heavy -1100 ml... for example, tonight I parlayed indy ml and bought 2 points to get the okc total where i wanted it. Definitely some danger in doing this so i dont recommend it to everyone... but just my two cents
                                                                      Ha this brings up memories of losing one of two bets because a 1.05 ml didn't come in. Portland did this to me most recently against the Wizards when they lost Aldridge and haven't done it since
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                                                                      • Les_Nuts
                                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                                        • 02-01-12
                                                                        • 931

                                                                        #5040
                                                                        Originally posted by Atlfan12
                                                                        This Milwaukee game is not looking to hot
                                                                        Its ok, I feel a 70 point quarter coming
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