LTA, what do you think about under 91.5 in the 1st half? Normally I'm very much against going under low first half totals but I feel like all signs are pointing to an ugly first half. Feel free to call me crazy, it might end up helping me out. Thanks, best of luck with the picks tonight.
LTA's NBA Plays for Round 2, Conf. Finals & Championship
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lurkSBR Hustler
- 05-02-11
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#316Comment -
Love The ActionSBR Posting Legend
- 11-08-10
- 10952
#317Tough call...probably will be between 89 and 95 for 1h. I would personally stick with the game under, but I don't want to talk you out of a winning play. Bol whatever you choose.Comment -
Love The ActionSBR Posting Legend
- 11-08-10
- 10952
#318Mlb
Florida ml (-110) 1x (locked)
Florida/phil under (9) 1x (locked)
Hou/cincy under (8.5) 1x (locked)
Lad/pit under (7.5) 1x (locked)
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MONEY32SBR Hustler
- 11-09-10
- 80
#319what do u think mets/rockies over 9?Comment -
Love The ActionSBR Posting Legend
- 11-08-10
- 10952
#320
Boston (+ 2) (-120) 1x (locked)
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MONEY32SBR Hustler
- 11-09-10
- 80
#322thanks!!!! GLComment -
hoyas2007SBR High Roller
- 03-24-10
- 106
#323i was thinking over in the memphis game, but then i saw the refs favor the under fairly heavily - any thoughts about that game?Comment -
Love The ActionSBR Posting Legend
- 11-08-10
- 10952
#325
To me, it comes down to shooting percentage. If you think they will shoot 46% or better, take the over. Otherwise, I would play the under. Bol....Comment -
Love The ActionSBR Posting Legend
- 11-08-10
- 10952
#326Anyone like okc moneyline or spread?Comment -
Love The ActionSBR Posting Legend
- 11-08-10
- 10952
#327One of the most frustrating losses all year. What a horrible shot by pierce to end regulation. Wtf was he thinking...should have cashed that under easy. Just tough luck lately, between overtime losers and record three point shooting, I just can't stand it. Unreal...
Going to stay pissed about this one for another half hour and then force myself to look at tomorrows games. This just really pisses me off...Comment -
Love The ActionSBR Posting Legend
- 11-08-10
- 10952
#328
Seriously, though, all you need to do is come up with a capping process that you are comfortable with and that works. Then, just tweak and adjust as needed, but keep the same overall process. You need to stay consistent and trust that what you are doing is right. Once you have some long term success, you can believe in yourself to ride out the losing streaks. Good luck bud...Comment -
NBA_BrosufRestricted User
- 02-14-11
- 2489
#329One of the most frustrating losses all year. What a horrible shot by pierce to end regulation. Wtf was he thinking...should have cashed that under easy. Just tough luck lately, between overtime losers and record three point shooting, I just can't stand it. Unreal...
Going to stay pissed about this one for another half hour and then force myself to look at tomorrows games. This just really pisses me off...
Good call on the memphis game under though. It is flowing that way it seems like.Comment -
NBA_BrosufRestricted User
- 02-14-11
- 2489
#330If you've ever actually done this, you should never place another bet
Seriously, though, all you need to do is come up with a capping process that you are comfortable with and that works. Then, just tweak and adjust as needed, but keep the same overall process. You need to stay consistent and trust that what you are doing is right. Once you have some long term success, you can believe in yourself to ride out the losing streaks. Good luck bud...
Right now, I'm fading material and whatever I feel at first glance, I bet the other way. If this model does not work for me, I'll switch it off and play the fade of the fade. LOLComment -
Love The ActionSBR Posting Legend
- 11-08-10
- 10952
#331Well the self fading process is also a system of play. We know that we have a good runner on some week and on some week, we can't even hit nothing at all. It is important that we catches the losing streak early and readjust like how a coach calls a time out when his team is on an x-o run.
Right now, I'm fading material and whatever I feel at first glance, I bet the other way. If this model does not work for me, I'll switch it off and play the fade of the fade. LOL
I would suggest you read some books on sports investing. I highly recommend both books written by Bob McCune. Sports investing is like any other profession. You need to learn as much as possible to really be successful and you need to constantly keep learning. Think about it this way, a lawyer or doctor need to go to school before going professional. Well, as sports investors, you need to research all the different techniques, theories and processes for success.
I wish you luck, but really urge you to stop fading yourself. You will only regret once you start picking winners again but you decide to go the other way.Comment -
Love The ActionSBR Posting Legend
- 11-08-10
- 10952
#332
NBA 5/8/11
LAL/Dal Under (188) 5x (Locked) LOSS
Chi/Atl Under (179) 8.5x (Locked) LOSS
MLB 5/8/11
Toronto ML (-110) 1x (Locked) LOSS
Minnesota ML (+175) .6x (Locked) LOSS
Hou/Pit Under (8) 1x (Locked) WINNER
A's ML (-115) .5x (Locked) WINNER
Cubs ML (-110) 1x (Locked) LOSS
Cincy/Cubs Under (7.5) 1x (Locked) WINNER
NBA
0-2 = - 14.5
In this thread
6 - 7 = +1.2x
MLB
3 - 3 = - .3x
In this thread
21 - 13 = + 8.6x
A tough Sunday, but we still were profitable on the week overall between NBA and MLB. I can't complain about that at the end of the day, however, if we didn't end up betting against the all time best 3 point shooting in the playoffs, and bet the bulls under on a day when Atlanta decided to play smart, we would have killed. We gave back 14 units of profit on Sunday that just killed what should have been a highly successful week.Comment -
Love The ActionSBR Posting Legend
- 11-08-10
- 10952
#333
0 - 2 = -5x
In this thread
6 - 9 = - 2.7x
A very tough loss in OT in the Heat/Celts under. The Celtics had 15 seconds left to take a great shot to end the game. Instead, Pierce lets the clock run down to zero and forces up a horrible shot. That was one of the worst endings to a playoff game I have witnessed.
Nevertheless, despite how pissed I remain about that game, we move on. I really like the Bulls under tomorrow. Please refer to my game 2 analysis for this one. I think we will have a big play, or at least 6-7x on the Bulls under if we get decent ref assignments. Maybe more... BOL...Comment -
NBA_BrosufRestricted User
- 02-14-11
- 2489
#334It's just your mind playing tricks on you...stop overthinking. Pick 10 things (or however many you like) as overall factors for making a play. Once your criteria for a play is met, just take that side. Don't even get involved in all that fading yourself BS or you will only lose more. You need to just believe in yourself, your systems and your history of success. If you don't have a history of success, take it slow, bet small and build up over time. That's the way to long term success. If you get involved with fading yourself BS, you will only be a long time loser and will never succeed.
I would suggest you read some books on sports investing. I highly recommend both books written by Bob McCune. Sports investing is like any other profession. You need to learn as much as possible to really be successful and you need to constantly keep learning. Think about it this way, a lawyer or doctor need to go to school before going professional. Well, as sports investors, you need to research all the different techniques, theories and processes for success.
I wish you luck, but really urge you to stop fading yourself. You will only regret once you start picking winners again but you decide to go the other way.
Just what I needed to hear to bounce myself back. Gotta keep our composure even when we are feeling negative.Comment -
Love The ActionSBR Posting Legend
- 11-08-10
- 10952
#335
Now your're talking..just keep a positive outlook and always believe your play will win right up until the final seconds of the game. A large part of sports investing, and life in general, is staying positive. If you don't have confidence and positive thoughts about your plays, you will definitely lose long term. It's the same with life, if you constantly take a negative outlook, all you will get is negative results. Positive thinking my man, that's where success is born.
Look at me. I had a tough Sunday and Monday (0 -4 in the NBA). However, I have no doubt that I will end this week profitable and end the playoffs and overall NBA season very profitable. You just have to believe in yourself and that what you are doing is right. I know how I have had long term success and I know my techniques work long term. Consequently, I have no doubts I will end up making money. Hang in there...once you have confidence in your capping process, you will be unstoppable. Good luck...Comment -
Love The ActionSBR Posting Legend
- 11-08-10
- 10952
#336
2 - 2 = -.2x
In this thread
23 - 15 = +8.4x
Freeking Javier Vazques screwed me again. I don't know why I bet on that gascan. Second time this year he has blown an under play for me. Today, he blew the ML and total play in the florida/phil game. We would have swept the MLb card if not for Vazquez. Oh well, time for breakout day tomorrow. Good luck!Comment -
Love The ActionSBR Posting Legend
- 11-08-10
- 10952
#337We're still up over 30 units in the playoffs alone (all documented in previous threads). However, all of that is from the first round. I started this thread for the second round and we have been up and down. Nevertheless, I predict we have a great day tomorrow! I am really excited about this potential bulls total play...Comment -
flush99SBR Hustler
- 03-20-11
- 80
#338Better today, no problemComment -
Love The ActionSBR Posting Legend
- 11-08-10
- 10952
#339I can't believe both unders lost yesterday because of overtime
I feel like a winner just by not playing the OKC/Mem total.
I'm feeling really good about today, though. I really like the Bulls under today. The question is how much?Comment -
Love The ActionSBR Posting Legend
- 11-08-10
- 10952
#341Atl/Chi Summary
I expect this Atlanta/Chicago series to be a continuation of the under gravy train we just finished cashing in the previous Atlanta series with the Magic. Therefore, I fully expect to profit off this series whether we cash this first under or not, as this series sets up perfectly for a chase of the under.
However, I have no reason to doubt that we will cash the under in this first game for the following reasons.
First off, my regular season deviation spreadsheet has this first game at 171. That gives me 7 points of value that I love and we will probably be adding to the units on this one once we check the ref assignments.
Out of the three games Chicago and Atlanta played against each other in the regular season, two of the three went under. The only game that went over was the late-March demolition of the Hawks by the Bulls and Derrick Rose. That game was one of the infamous Rose revenge games where Rose held a grudge against a team for a bad performance in a previous matchup and then came out destroyed that team in the next game. Rose and the Bulls did this numerous times throughout the year and happened to shoot almost 55% in this third regular season game with the Hawks. However, the Hawks were struggling at the time and the Bulls were rolling and I don't see quite the same setup in this game. I believe this game goes under similar to the first two regular season games.
In the first two regular season games between the Bulls and Hawks, both teams shot between 40% and 45%, which is what we should expect in this first game and the series in general. We should also expect a slow pace, predicated on defense and half-court offense. Based on the previous three games, we can expect about 40-45 free throws, 150-155 field goal attempts, of which 30-35 should be three point attempts. I think at best, these two teams shoot a collective 30% from three point range in this series where perimeter defense will be in full effect.
Therefore, if we get about 30 points from three pointers, that gives us about 147 points of cushion from remaining 120 or so regular field goal attempts and 45 or so free throws. Being conservative and saying these two teams can shoot a collective 45% from the field (which I don't think will happen) and 75% for free throws, that would give us about an additional 141 points to add to the 30 from three point land. That puts us right back at that magic 171 number and you can see I derive the value in the under in this game and series.
The trends back this under play up as well. Most publicly available trends point to the under:
Atlanta:
- Under is 5-0 in Hawks last 5 playoff games as an underdog.
- Under is 5-0 in Hawks last 5 games vs. a team with a winning % above .600.
- Under is 5-0 in Hawks last 5 games following a ATS win.
- Under is 5-0 in Hawks last 5 games as an underdog.
- Under is 6-1 in Hawks last 7 games playing on 3 or more days rest.
- Under is 6-1 in Hawks last 7 games following a S.U. win.
- Under is 5-1 in Hawks last 6 Conference Semifinals games.
- Under is 13-3 in Hawks last 16 overall.
- Under is 4-1 in Hawks last 5 road games.
- Under is 4-1 in Hawks last 5 when their opponent scores 100 points or more in their previous game.
- Under is 8-2 in Hawks last 10 playoff games as an underdog of 5.0-10.5.
- Under is 21-8 in Hawks last 29 Monday games.
- Under is 46-19 in Hawks last 65 vs. Eastern Conference.
- Under is 7-3 in Hawks last 10 road games vs. a team with a home winning % of greater than .600.
Chicago:
- Under is 4-0 in Bulls last 4 after scoring 100 points or more in their previous game.
- Under is 10-2 in Bulls last 12 Monday games.
- Under is 5-1 in Bulls last 6 games following a S.U. win.
- Under is 8-3 in Bulls last 11 overall.
- Under is 8-3 in Bulls last 11 games as a favorite.
- Under is 5-2 in Bulls last 7 vs. Eastern Conference.
- Under is 7-3 in Bulls last 10 vs. NBA Southeast.
In addition, at this 175-179 posted total range, these two teams are a collective 2-10 in favor of the under. Against winning playoff-type teams, the Bulls are Hawks are a collective 23-48 in favor of the under. It's clear, based on the foregoing, that the trends favor the under.
I will respectfully direct your attention to my original write-up for the first Bulls/Atl game as it is applicable to this entire series. However, I will add the following as further reasons I am playing the under here:
1) Bulls rebound from bad performances with suffocating defense --
Take a look at the Bulls season stats and you will see that whenever the Bulls got torched for over 100 points in a loss, they bounced back the next game and destroyed other teams with their defense. The common denominator in all of these bounce-back games is that the under cashed. For example: (i) in early in November, the Bulls lost and played very poorly on defense against the Knicks; the next game they held Carmelo and the Denver Nuggets in Denver to 92 points in a 94-92 win (staying more than 20 points under); (ii) in mid-November, the Bulls gave up 103 points to SA in a 103-94 loss; the next game they beat Dallas 88-83 in Dallas staying well under the posted total of 193; (iii) the Bulls lost to the Knicks on Christmas giving up over 100 points; the next game they beat Detroit 95-92 in OT and stayed under the total despite the overtime (each team only scored 85 points in regulation); (iv) in January, the Bulls gave up over 100 points in a loss to Philly; the next game they beat the Celtics 90-79 staying 20 points under the posted total of 187; (v) in early February, the Bulls lost to Portland and gave up 109 points; the next game they beat the Jazz 91-86, staying well under the 193 total; (vi) at the end of February, the Bulls were torched by Toronto for 118 points and lost; the next game the Bulls beat the Heat 93-89 staying well under the total of 192. This tells me that Thibodeau's defensive adjustments have a huge effect on this team. Consequently, I expect Game 2 to follow this pattern and the under should hit based on Thibs adjustments. Do you really think the Bulls will allow Joe Johnson to shoot 5-5 from 3pt range and 12-18 from the field? I suspect the Bulls find the answer defensively, which leads me to my next point.
2) There is no way that the Atlanta Hawks shoot 51.3% from the field and 53.8% from three point range in Wednesday's game. Whether it be from the Bulls defense or from the law of averages, I just don't see one of the worst shooting teams in these playoffs hitting at such a high rate against a Bulls team that will be motivated and will have made defensive adjustments. It was such an unbelievably rare shooting game for the Hawks, that I just don't see them repeating that performance. For example, Jeff Teague was 5-11 last game; Jamaal Crawford was 8-16 last game; and every other Hawks player except for Smith shot 50% or over. Remember, this is the same team that just hit 5 straight unders against Orlando in the first round. Can the Hawks possibly repeat their unconscience performance from game 1? I would answer no and am willing to make my biggest play this NBA season on it.
3) Smart/sharp/big money is on this game. The line has steadily dropped since opening despite 70%+ on the over. I only mention this because it was the same scenario for pretty much all of the unders that have lost in this second round. Therefore, I would ask you, how long can the public continue to cash games where they are favoring one side more than 70%? Sooner or later the public is going to get buried on one of these public overs and I predict it happens in this Bulls game. Whenever you see the majority on the over, but the line drops, that is a great sign. Just because the under didn't hit in Miami/Celts, doesn't mean the under won't hit here. I predict a public burial in this game and I love being on the other side.
(4) Motivation & Revenge -- MVP, Coach of the Year, etc. The Bulls, and especially Derrick Rose, will come out ready to play some defense and half court offense. They are not going to be embarrassed after taking home all of this hardware. I would also remind you of what happened everytime the Bulls played with a chip on their shoulder or some other revenge. Usually the Bulls dominated and the game stayed under (think about the revenge games against Charlotte and Atlantaearlier in the year, the Bulls rolled and the under hit).
When you add the foregoing reasons to my original writeup on this series, every possible factor points to theComment -
migzSBR MVP
- 02-11-10
- 1160
#342Refs are out -- S. Javie, B. Kennedy, and T. WashingtonComment -
funnymanSBR Wise Guy
- 05-06-10
- 606
#343Great write-up. Going with you on the under.Comment -
Love The ActionSBR Posting Legend
- 11-08-10
- 10952
#344Thanks.
Javie and washington usually keep the whistle out of their mouths. Kennedy can go either way but at least he is 2-4 in favor of the under in games set below 184. Obviously not a huge sample size but better than a lean for the over.
My only concern about this game is the abnormally fast pace of game 4. My analysis above is predicated on fg attempts in the 150's not 160 + like last gme. My concern is that the hawks play faster now with teague running the show as opposed to heinrich. Regardless, however, I think tonights gme is about the bulls defensive adjustments and their ability to suffocate the hawks offense from the start.
When the hawks play smith at the 3, I expect the bulls to adjust with gibson or tgomas. I will be interested to see thibs adjustments. Lets keep an eye on the line. Perhaps we can get another half point before locking it in. Good luck tonight.Comment -
chevy6SBR Sharp
- 04-06-11
- 476
#345im on the underComment -
Love The ActionSBR Posting Legend
- 11-08-10
- 10952
#346NBA 5/10/11
Bulls/Hawks under (181) 10x (locked)
Writeup and reasoning above. I think bulls defensive adjustments will be the difference. Expect more of Kurt Thomas and Taj Gibson to slow down Smith. The Bulls have always tended to play to the under after allowing 100 pts or more in a loss. I also expect the pace of this game to be a bit slower than game 4 and we should see less fouls called as well with Javie and Washington as the refs. Therefore, as long as the game doesn't go into overtime, I fully expect to cash this big play on the under. Good luck!Comment -
hoyas2007SBR High Roller
- 03-24-10
- 106
#347the pace of game 4 wasn't much different than games 1 or 2. it's more just that game 3 was really slow. 177, 179, 160, 181 in the four games so far. i agree with you that i like the under in this one. last night was tough with two overs bc of overtime. hopefully pace stays slow and shooting is bad tonightComment -
Love The ActionSBR Posting Legend
- 11-08-10
- 10952
#348the pace of game 4 wasn't much different than games 1 or 2. it's more just that game 3 was really slow. 177, 179, 160, 181 in the four games so far. i agree with you that i like the under in this one. last night was tough with two overs bc of overtime. hopefully pace stays slow and shooting is bad tonight
Good luck tonight...I'm feeling good and looking forward to this game. Hopefully, we don't have to sweat it out lol...Comment -
Love The ActionSBR Posting Legend
- 11-08-10
- 10952
#349Pinny has started to juice the under....hopefully we see a dip soon. Doesn't really matter lately, however, as we have been beating every closer but the public has been getting lucky with these overs anyway. That trend stops today!Comment -
skaterplayer808SBR High Roller
- 03-06-11
- 104
#350yo lta, i'm on the under for a pretty big chunk and am also riding with hawks +8.5 and bulls winning the next two games. there's a slim window that bulls win by 8 or less or that bet pretty much cancels out assuming bulls actually do win the next two games. what's your thoughts man?Comment
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