nba chase 12/13

**Wallco99** · 12-04-12, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by Nino7

Precisly not,i was reffering to the Cle fade serie that started with Orlando -4/-4,5 depending of the time u picked it and ended with a 104-108 Orlando score...
Once again you should mind your own business and stop feeling you are special

No you weren't, you are just feeling guilty now since myself, limit, and everyone else knew what you meant. It was pretty clear, and directed right at him.

**Nino7** · 12-04-12, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by thelimit0310

I play the best line I can get, not exclusively closing.

Stifler does a great job with his posts and getting his picks out. Why are you trying to call me out over that? You don't agree?

I'm not trying to call you out about that...i m just asking you about the lines you get because myself i try to stick to the closing lines and i thought you were doing the same so i was surprised you "celebrated" the D win.i dunno how it sounded cuze im not american but i was never trying to do anything else than asking about it.

**Nino7** · 12-04-12, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by Wallco99

No you weren't, you are just feeling guilty now since myself, limit, and everyone else knew what you meant. It was pretty clear, and directed right at him.

HAHA man your an idiot

**Wallco99** · 12-04-12, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by Nino7

I'm not trying to call you out about that...i m just asking you about the lines you get because myself i try to stick to the closing lines and i thought you were doing the same so i was surprised you "celebrated" the D win.i dunno how it sounded cuze im not american but i was never trying to do anything else than asking about it.

If that is true, than I do apologize, but it definitely didn't read that way.

**Grinder12000** · 12-04-12, 04:45 PM

Ok you two bickering wives. Get a room and have make up sex.

**Nino7** · 12-04-12, 04:48 PM

Grinder i think we are the only two persons who lost this serie

**Nino7** · 12-04-12, 04:55 PM

Ok i dont pick the closing lines anymore!

**Wallco99** · 12-04-12, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by Nino7

Grinder i think we are the only two persons who lost this serie

This may actually make you feel better, I lost it as well!

**Stifler** · 12-04-12, 05:47 PM

Stop hanging on those covers closing lines. If im able to get better lines im taking it and try to even upgrade the system by getting better lines. Those closing lines will never 100% real lines ur getting.

Beat the closing line and beat the system and u can get an upgrade while ur in a live season.

**mrk77** · 12-04-12, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by Nino7

HAHA man your an idiot

**mrk77** · 12-04-12, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by Stifler

Stop hanging on those covers closing lines. If im able to get better lines im taking it and try to even upgrade the system by getting better lines. Those closing lines will never 100% real lines ur getting.

Beat the closing line and beat the system and u can get an upgrade while ur in a live season.

I agree, glad the d bet won last night

**Nino7** · 12-04-12, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by mrk77

I agree, glad the d bet won last night

It might happen the other way also...like today phoenix line is now +10,5 while stifler has it @+10 so if they lose by 10 and the next four games are lost you'll be behind..It's really not easy to make a choice with the picking time.

**mrk77** · 12-04-12, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by Nino7

It might happens the other way also...like today phoenix line is now +10,5 while stifler has it @+10 so if they lose by 10 and the next four games are lost you'll be behind..It's really not easy to make a choice with the picking time.

you're right, it's an advantage to whoever gets it at 10.5 and it could end up biting us in the ass the other way around also but I like this system and that doesn't worry me. Call me crazy but if I got it at 10.5 and won by that half point, I would continue playing the series under this system except I would treat the "b" bet as my "a" bet.

**Grinder12000** · 12-04-12, 06:15 PM

It's been +10.5 -105 all day at the books I play!

I hope people don't think I was ever complaining about losing that series - not a big deal. it happens and there has been MUCH worse beats then that one. Seriously - my wife said once she saw me turn white.

True Story - had lost something like 8 of 10 bets on a Sunday and all The Bears had to do was kneel down the last 2 plays with 30 seconds to go. I said to Diane - This game will make the day only REALLY BAD and not a freaking nightmare.

So the RB gets the hand off and fumbles the ball it's picked up and run back for a 80 yard fumble return for a TD - I lose. Diane said she looked at me and saw all the color leave my face. I just stared at the screen with open mouth.

So "D" bets are a pain but not like that!

**Nino7** · 12-04-12, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by mrk77

you're right, it's an advantage to whoever gets it at 10.5 cause if they lose by 10 it's gonna be a push for this system and we'll have a "b" bet but if you got it at 10.5 you can either call it a win on the series or continue on this series but bet the "b" as your "a" bet. All depends how much action you want lol. Hope this makes sense

my point was its not necessarly good to tail Stifler's lines because sometimes the closing line is better.Most of the time it's not but sometimes you can get burnt the other way also.
Dunno what to do...

**Wallco99** · 12-04-12, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by Nino7

It might happen the other way also...like today phoenix line is now +10,5 while stifler has it @+10 so if they lose by 10 and the next four games are lost you'll be behind..It's really not easy to make a choice with the picking time.

You are right about that. It just comes down to when you feel the time is right to place your bet. People will have different lines on every game every day. Some people will have better results than the "system results" and some people will have worse results. Since we can't tell our books to "just give us whatever closing line appears on Covers", we just have to do our best to find the best line for the situation. But every system needs an "official" line to tell the actual results of the system, regardless if some people make more or some people make less. If the person running the system just uses the line that he locks in at as the "official" system line, then how is anyone ever going to be able to do any sort of backtest on that system, from that particular point forward, including the system runner himself. Whether Stifler's line is posted or the final line at Covers is posted is really irrelavent for day/day play because a lot of people are going to have different lines anyway, and their decision to stop or continue the series is going to be based on what THEY got at THEIR book anyway. The Closing covers line is just a tool to use to enable us to say "If we got this particular line, then this is what the system record would be", even though everyone's personal records may be different anyway. And the lines used to make that statement should always be the same lines that were used to do the original backtest.

When I post my system, on many occasions, I have lost my bet when the system had recorded a win, and won some when the system lost. In this case, I would continue posting the plays, even though I already won, but waiting for the system to win based on the same lines I used for the test. It actually isn't that important anyway. The only reason it ever has any relavence is when people come in here asking for past results of the "system itself". If there wasn't an official record, then 10 people may answer that question 10 different ways, based on different lines they got for each game. Other than that, it really means nothing, because the amount of money that is actually in your account will be each person's individual opinion of how the system is doing anyway.

**mrk77** · 12-04-12, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by Grinder12000

It's been +10.5 -105 all day at the books I play!

I hope people don't think I was ever complaining about losing that series - not a big deal. it happens and there has been MUCH worse beats then that one. Seriously - my wife said once she saw me turn white.

True Story - had lost something like 8 of 10 bets on a Sunday and all The Bears had to do was kneel down the last 2 plays with 30 seconds to go. I said to Diane - This game will make the day only REALLY BAD and not a freaking nightmare.

So the RB gets the hand off and fumbles the ball it's picked up and run back for a 80 yard fumble return for a TD - I lose. Diane said she looked at me and saw all the color leave my face. I just stared at the screen with open mouth.

So "D" bets are a pain but not like that!

I don't think you're complaining, was just having a bad day yesterday and went on a rant, sorry. I know where you're coming from, had one of those days last summer, puked my brains out while the mariners were sweeping a series against the rangers early in the season when the rangers were on fire lol. Live and learn I guess

**mrk77** · 12-04-12, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by Nino7

my point was its not necessarly good to tail Stifler's lines because sometimes the closing line is better.Most of the time it's not but sometimes you can get burnt the other way also.
Dunno what to do...

I think that it's better to wait a little if you're betting dogs cause most of the time the line goes to their advantage come gametime. I like to follow the lines posted here so if 10 was posted, I would place the bet if my book had it at that but if it was 9.5, I would wait a little closer to game time

**mrk77** · 12-04-12, 06:36 PM

I guess the point is to get the same or better lines than what's posted. I personally don't mind buying points if the line is less than what's posted but I nearly got my head ripped off yesterday saying that so I'll leave it at that. GL everyone on tonight's game

**Grinder12000** · 12-04-12, 06:44 PM

I don't think you're complaining, was just having a bad day yesterday and went on a rant, sorry.

LOL. You should have seen my blog. And on a totally different subject. I guess I was. Sorry.

**thelimit0310** · 12-04-12, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by Wallco99

But every system needs an "official" line to tell the actual results of the system, regardless if some people make more or some people make less. If the person running the system just uses the line that he locks in at as the "official" system line, then how is anyone ever going to be able to do any sort of backtest on that system, from that particular point forward, including the system runner himself.

I've stressed this for weeks but I don't think there will be a change here. It's a shame but I've decided to just drop it.

**Grinder12000** · 12-04-12, 10:34 PM

BTW - I hate overtime

VICTORY - you guys should have bought that extra 1/2 point!

**BuckeyeKaptn** · 12-04-12, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by Stifler

04.12.2012

S4

(A Bet) Mem fade: Phoenix +10 1,10u

Question all: How's this played in a chase? It was a push at this line. I had Phoenix +10.5? How would you play it?

**thes0vereign** · 12-04-12, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by BuckeyeKaptn

Question all: How's this played in a chase? It was a push at this line. I had Phoenix +10.5? How would you play it?

YOU should stop. Your chase is over. You won. The rest of us will be taking that push and moving forward to the next game as the A bet.

Originally posted by Grinder12000

VICTORY - you guys should have bought that extra 1/2 point!

No, we shouldn't. Not if we're following Stifler's system, which has NO POINT BUYING involved.

**Grinder12000** · 12-04-12, 11:00 PM

No, we shouldn't. Not if we're following Stifler's system, which has NO POINT BUYING involved.

Well - there are pages and pages about buying points. I was called an idiot for not buying a point mr77 I believe. But I was making a joke anyway. You should never buy a point was my argument - just to match someone else bet is silly and wasting money

BuckeyeKaptn - we win that Chase.

**BuckeyeKaptn** · 12-04-12, 11:06 PM

- we win that Chase.

That's why I keep my own excel of the plays, so I know when I've won/lost.

**mrk77** · 12-04-12, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by Grinder12000

Well - there are pages and pages about buying points. I was called an idiot for not buying a point mr77 I believe. But I was making a joke anyway. You should never buy a point was my argument - just to match someone else bet is silly and wasting money

BuckeyeKaptn - we win that Chase.

Funny this happened after we were talking about it. Congrats to all that got the win but at least it's not a loss for the rest of us and the series goes on as per Stifler's lines. Grinder, i use that word loosely and you really shouldn't take it personally

**gamewinninglv** · 12-04-12, 11:50 PM

Quick question,

If you happen to win tonight with getting +10.5 or better, would it be wrong to keep on playing the next play(s) with the people who pushed today ?

**mrk77** · 12-04-12, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by gamewinninglv

Quick question,

If you happen to win tonight with getting +10.5 or better, would it be wrong to keep on playing the next play(s) with the people who pushed today ?

I would but that's just me. Depends how comfortable you are with the upcoming games

**CrazyCarl** · 12-05-12, 02:27 AM

Took them to overtime and then push a 10 point spread...

**Stifler** · 12-05-12, 05:54 AM

Originally posted by Stifler

04.12.2012

S4

(A Bet) Mem fade: Phoenix +10 1,10u

records:
S1: W 15 | L 1 (-3,45 units)
S2: W 7 | L 0 (+7,00 units)
S3: W 5 | L 0 (+5,00 units)
S4: W 12 | L 0 (+13,00 units)

pending:
- S3 Tor fade, B Bet on 05.12.2012
- S1 SA, B Bet on 05.12.2012
- S4 Mem fade, new A Bet on 07.12.2012

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all rules and qualifying teams for every system can be found on post #786

**thes0vereign** · 12-05-12, 05:59 AM

NYK is coming into today's game against Charlotte on a 3-win streak. S1 bet?

**Stifler** · 12-05-12, 06:02 AM

Originally posted by gamewinninglv

Quick question,

If you happen to win tonight with getting +10.5 or better, would it be wrong to keep on playing the next play(s) with the people who pushed today ?

In the end its ur decision, i would stop as u already won that series.

Funny thing is this game also went to OT, means Mem fade will be a new series. For those that pushed on that game it will be 2 series on S4 Memphis fade now. Ofc u can decide to make it just 1 series for yourself, but im going to play the double series.

**msetai** · 12-05-12, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by thes0vereign

NYK is coming into today's game against Charlotte on a 3-win streak. S1 bet?

they lost ATS to phx 12/2/2012

**Grinder12000** · 12-05-12, 07:07 AM

If you happen to win tonight with getting +10.5 or better, would it be wrong to keep on playing the next play(s) with the people who pushed today ?

Interesting - would it be wrong? I say no. Would it be right? probably not.

it would NOT be in the system but I'm considering it. After all the same theory applies If one group is continuing it and it's the right play how could it be the wrong play for the other group. It's almost like a free play.