Horse Racing questions and answers

[JBEX]

It seems like somewhat of a shame that this horse cannot find class relief unless he runs at a lesser track. Just bad timing I guess. I would not want to drop this horse into 30k claiming when in actuality, the horse is most likely running against the same or even a little better quality of horse. I would rather run MSW at a lesser venue.
It is not the purse that I am even thinking about. It is the necessity, in my view, that needs to be addressed. Horses usually improve off winning. Who doesn't right? They know they won. And it shows in the feed tub, the horses bounce around the barn, all sorts of ways. So the mental angle really comes into play with this, at least in my view.
I like to repeat every couple of years ( months) lol, I don't know, that I remember saying, that with horses, it seemed easier to win 3 in a row with a horse then it was 2 in a row. Sounds crazy, but for me, I felt it was often times true. Mainly because the horse is mentally improving quite a bit from win 2 to win 3. Just like us when we hit a winning streak, they were bouncing around eager to work. Stood a little taller, ate a little better, trained a little more focused. All the little things that we have all felt sometime. They are no different.
But in this horses case, what is the point in running for Md. 30 and even if he wins, where do you run back? An A other than? Not there I don't think.
Seems if this horse was in Md. for instance, he could win a high Md. claimer, an A other than, and probably off those two races, be able to compete in a 2 other then. They paid 30k for the horse but it seems to me he is at a too high quality a track to find a fair spot without getting claimed. I know I would claim him if I was looking and he checked all the boxes physically.

Which takes me briefly off topic to point out yet again that as a trainer with real responsibilities, am I watching replays, and scouting this horse as he walks over the day of the race, watching his every move warming up, running, pulling up, etc. or am I taking time away from that to make a 20.00 exacta box in the race? Of course, we all know the answer but we also know that the majority of people that bet assume I would be worried about betting 50 or 100 bucks more than I would be worried about the 30k plus tax, so 32,500 I was risking on that horse. But, I digress.

So anyway, it will be interesting where this horse lands next out. Please keep an eye out for him JBEX. He has my attention at this point.
Thanks JBEX.

no problem str and I will keep an eye out for him..just so you know this one is bred and owned by the same group and they have an auction price of $50k (not 30) listed..guess this means they didn't get the minimum they wanted and kept him ..might be helpful info in evaluating him ..with the 2nd place finish last out would bring his earnings to almost $25k ..understand jock/trainers and other expenses cuts into that a lot but another thing maybe to keep in mind from the owners perspective

I kind of agree about not putting him up for sale ..on the other hand as you inferred he'd probably be a lot better fit at a mid-atlantic track..penn,parx,del,lrl,cnl..wouldn't rule out turfway but that might be a little ambitious and there's also the surface and timing issues

shifting gears a bit..

WR has a couple of works in at kee..on 10/19 they have a $120k 3up alw n2xot or oc80k @ 6.5f and same day a 3yo g3 @ 7f with a $300k
purse .. have to think they'd go for the former with him possibly trying to make adjustments and having won @ 6.5f at saratoga.. "if" either one,better not be going from the rail again lol..that'd be pretty horrible luck

[JBEX]

I believe the kentucky downs army mule cost $35k ..maybe that's what you were thinking

[str]

When you think you've seen it all:

Belterra R7 #7 Who Dey. Recent's are competitive 275K - 600K STK. Today 19K ALLowance.

This has to be some sort of mistake no?

This could be what I am talking about Madison. He is competitive but they want him to win, and feel that feeling, so as to hopefully improve mentally . It's not about the purse, it's about getting the W.
Ironic that we talk about that today and you see one that sounds like that is what might be happening.
Thanks Madison.

[str]

I believe the kentucky downs army mule cost $35k ..maybe that's what you were thinking

Yep. I switched the two prices on those two horses. If they paid 50k, probably find the easier MSW and go from there? That would be my lean.
But if that means a long ship, that stinks. Tough call.

[JBEX]

When you think you've seen it all:

Belterra R7 #7 Who Dey. Recent's are competitive 275K - 600K STK. Today 19K ALLowance.

This has to be some sort of mistake no?

it's alw race for horses that haven't won in 6 months excluding

mdn
claiming
starter
opt claimer
ohio bred


so you could've won any of those types of races and it wouldn't count against the condition..he happens to be an ohio bred but has nothing to do with why he can run..hasn't won in 6 months gets him in


returns to where he broke his maiden first out..lots of speed.. perfect set up from outside post..probably 1-5..possible minus
pool

[JBEX]

in addition he's by liam's map (deterministic)

[JBEX]

1-9 and about 99% of the show money on him with 7 mtp

[Madison]

1-9 and about 99% of the show money on him with 7 mtp

And life and death to make it. Curious sport. Same conditions in a Greyhound race and would have won by 30 lengths.

[JBEX]

And life and death to make it. Curious sport. Same conditions in a Greyhound race and would have won by 30 lengths.

yeah you earned that 5% lol..battle on the front didn't develop and almost got beat (for win) ..very fast time within a second (by a little) of the track record ..ohio bred allowance horses ran the same distance over 3 seconds slower in R4 ..believe that's over 30 beyer points less at that distance

[JBEX]

wouldn't be surprised if they regret doing that..not a lot of money (factoring his earning potential)to be wearing the horse out for.. fairly sure they weren't expecting that type of effort to be needed for a win

[str]

1-9 and about 99% of the show money on him with 7 mtp

And life and death to make it. Curious sport. Same conditions in a Greyhound race and would have won by 30 lengths.

yeah you earned that 5% lol..battle on the front didn't develop and almost got beat (for win) ..very fast time within a second (by a little) of the track record ..ohio bred allowance horses ran the same distance over 3 seconds slower in R4 ..believe that's over 30 beyer points less at that distance

wouldn't be surprised if they regret doing that..not a lot of money (factoring his earning potential)to be wearing the horse out for.. fairly sure they weren't expecting that type of effort to be needed for a win

I wanted to show the horses form but am struggling to do so. If someone can, it would help see what I think is going on here.

Bottom line on this horse IMO is, the trainer is and has been frustrated with the finishing effort the horse has displayed. Proof, IMO is the blinkers on, then the blinkers off, a rider change, and then back to the original rider, and the fact that he has made up only a couple lengths over several races from the 1/8th pole home since his win streak ended. And even when winning, he was not drawing off late but still winning. So he seems to be running well on sheer ability but has no real desire to win off, or with authority.
When I see blinkers go on, off of a win streak, that tells me the rider is complaining that the horse is loafing when he makes the lead, or, waiting on horses and having no killer instinct. The trainer is frustrated as well. You do not put blinkers on when you win for first 3 starts for no reason. Then, you don't take them back off after 4 races when he hangs from the 1/8th pole and gets beat. I saw the lasix as well but I don't think that is the main issue.

I do not remember taking blinkers off a horse EVER. I would cut them back to be less than an inch cup if I felt that it was helping but to put them on when winning and take them back off, bottom line there, again IMO, is the horse has more in him and the rider and trainer are trying to get that out of him. And, by not crushing that field the other day, that just gives more evidence.
For me, I would not bet him to win at any price mainly because you cannot trust him to have a will to win more than you do who bet the money.
He is a very talented horse but... once they start doing that race in and race out, it is really hard to undue that. Sometimes gelding them helps but that's a big gamble to take with no sure results. I hope the horse goes on the win 4 more in a row and make me look stupid. Won't be the first time a horse has done that. But I am pretty sure that what I described is what is going on here.
One last thing. The only way I ever found as useful to get a hanging stalker to stop hanging was to put him or her on the lead. Horses that lead from gate to wire do NOT hang as a rule. Took me a while to figure that out when I was a young trainer.

[Madison]

Thank you as always.

[Easy-Rider 66]

I wanted to show the horses form but am struggling to do so. If someone can, it would help see what I think is going on here.

Bottom line on this horse IMO is, the trainer is and has been frustrated with the finishing effort the horse has displayed. Proof, IMO is the blinkers on, then the blinkers off, a rider change, and then back to the original rider, and the fact that he has made up only a couple lengths over several races from the 1/8th pole home since his win streak ended. And even when winning, he was not drawing off late but still winning. So he seems to be running well on sheer ability but has no real desire to win off, or with authority.
When I see blinkers go on, off of a win streak, that tells me the rider is complaining that the horse is loafing when he makes the lead, or, waiting on horses and having no killer instinct. The trainer is frustrated as well. You do not put blinkers on when you win for first 3 starts for no reason. Then, you don't take them back off after 4 races when he hangs from the 1/8th pole and gets beat. I saw the lasix as well but I don't think that is the main issue.

I do not remember taking blinkers off a horse EVER. I would cut them back to be less than an inch cup if I felt that it was helping but to put them on when winning and take them back off, bottom line there, again IMO, is the horse has more in him and the rider and trainer are trying to get that out of him. And, by not crushing that field the other day, that just gives more evidence.
For me, I would not bet him to win at any price mainly because you cannot trust him to have a will to win more than you do who bet the money.
He is a very talented horse but... once they start doing that race in and race out, it is really hard to undue that. Sometimes gelding them helps but that's a big gamble to take with no sure results. I hope the horse goes on the win 4 more in a row and make me look stupid. Won't be the first time a horse has done that. But I am pretty sure that what I described is what is going on here.
One last thing. The only way I ever found as useful to get a hanging stalker to stop hanging was to put him or her on the lead. Horses that lead from gate to wire do NOT hang as a rule. Took me a while to figure that out when I was a young trainer.

I find that surprising STR. Was shades off not a popular move back in your day? I find it to be a successful Handicapping trick these days. A lot of ponies respond to blinks off and run really well. THX STR.

[JBEX]

I wanted to show the horses form but am struggling to do so. If someone can, it would help see what I think is going on here.

Bottom line on this horse IMO is, the trainer is and has been frustrated with the finishing effort the horse has displayed. Proof, IMO is the blinkers on, then the blinkers off, a rider change, and then back to the original rider, and the fact that he has made up only a couple lengths over several races from the 1/8th pole home since his win streak ended. And even when winning, he was not drawing off late but still winning. So he seems to be running well on sheer ability but has no real desire to win off, or with authority.
When I see blinkers go on, off of a win streak, that tells me the rider is complaining that the horse is loafing when he makes the lead, or, waiting on horses and having no killer instinct. The trainer is frustrated as well. You do not put blinkers on when you win for first 3 starts for no reason. Then, you don't take them back off after 4 races when he hangs from the 1/8th pole and gets beat. I saw the lasix as well but I don't think that is the main issue.

I do not remember taking blinkers off a horse EVER. I would cut them back to be less than an inch cup if I felt that it was helping but to put them on when winning and take them back off, bottom line there, again IMO, is the horse has more in him and the rider and trainer are trying to get that out of him. And, by not crushing that field the other day, that just gives more evidence.
For me, I would not bet him to win at any price mainly because you cannot trust him to have a will to win more than you do who bet the money.
He is a very talented horse but... once they start doing that race in and race out, it is really hard to undue that. Sometimes gelding them helps but that's a big gamble to take with no sure results. I hope the horse goes on the win 4 more in a row and make me look stupid. Won't be the first time a horse has done that. But I am pretty sure that what I described is what is going on here.
One last thing. The only way I ever found as useful to get a hanging stalker to stop hanging was to put him or her on the lead. Horses that lead from gate to wire do NOT hang as a rule. Took me a while to figure that out when I was a young trainer.

have some opinions and will respond later

[str]

I find that surprising STR. Was shades off not a popular move back in your day? I find it to be a successful Handicapping trick these days. A lot of ponies respond to blinks off and run really well. THX STR.

Oh, I get that EZ. But back then, you had to have a published workout from the gate to go blinkers on or off. We spent a ton of time on gate etiquette and I usually had them exactly where the gate crew and I wanted them. Didn't want to mess with that so I would just cut them back so far or even take one cup off but leave the other cup at about 1/2" long, so basically no blinker at all, and do it like that.

I remember doing that with the horse I have pictured, Kindest Cut. He sprinted and had big full cups on. After one race short, where I think he beat one or two horses, we went cheaters, about 1/2 cup both sides and ran him long. He won a bunch in a row like that.
Look at the picture and compare the cup size with the horse on the outside trying to get to him. Night and day.

I don't know if that blinker/gate rule still exists or has been amended to break but not work as I do not see a gate works very often when the shades go on or off. But that's how I dealt with not getting my horse all fired up at the gate once he/she started acting correctly.

You are very correct to pay close attention to a blinker change EZ.

[batt33]

I figured maybe you did have to deal with fire stuff. I saw the So. Calif. stuff. Have a brother that lives in San Diego. Glad to hear your back.

Good luck with this one. He is training up to the race very well so it seems.

Thanks STR! I have relatives down south also.... The last fire on and around the San Bernardino N.F had them scared for a little bit. One of my cousins lost his home a few years back.

[batt33]

in addition he's by liam's map (deterministic)

Speaking of...... First workout at Churchill since moving from the farm.

Caldera

Wednesday, September 18^th | Churchill Downs


Rank1/22

Distance4 Furlongs

Time46:80

SurfaceDirt

ConditionFast

NoteBreezing

[batt33]

Headed over to Reno tomorrow to watch the race.
[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Seize the Grey Race Overview[/COLOR]Seize the Grey comes in fresh and takes on 10 competitors in Parx’s $1-million G1 Pennsylvania Derby on Saturday.
Your grey is of course looking to bounce back to his best after a pair of disappointing efforts up in Saratoga, but Hall of Fame trainer D. Wayne Lukas remains extremely confident in the colt and this group of foes certainly seems to be a cut below the top runners in the G1 Belmont and G2 Jim Dandy.
There does appear to be a fair bit of other speed signed on, but on TimeformUS pace figures Seize the Grey is the speed of the speed. Interestingly, the TFUS pace projector predicts that Seize the Grey will set a faster-than-average pace, but their algorithm also expects Seize the Grey to be in front at the finish.
Best of luck, and see below for a closer look at the rest of the competition:
#1 Doc Sullivan (12-1) - New York-bred makes his first foray into open stakes company. Not like he’s been a win machine in the restricted ranks. Would be a surprise.
#3 Lonesome Boy (20-1) - Drastically overmatched.
#4 Timeout (10-1) - Lightly raced, well-bred son of Curlin would benefit from a hot pace. Does need to take a step forward, though.
#5 Protective (8-1) - Multiple graded stakes-placed as a maiden, and finally earned his diploma in a rain-off 1 1/4-mile event at Saratoga last month. Sometimes the lightbulb comes on when this type finally breaks through, but not really buying it in this case and think his morning line is lower than it should be.
#6 Just Step On It (15-1) - Second in the local prep for this, the Smarty Jones S., after setting a slow pace. Going to find this assignment much tougher with all the out-of-towners.
#7 Dragoon Guard (9/5) - The “other” Arrogate rides a four-race win streak into this one and appears the horse to beat. He has enjoyed some pretty easy leads, however, and hasn’t had to face a horse yet of Seize the Grey (or Unmatched Wisdom)’s caliber. Have to respect him, but do believe he still has something to prove.
#8 Unmatched Wisdom (8-1) - Th3 morning line feels a bit high on this one. Pricey 2-year-old purchase couldn’t have been much impressive in his first three starts, but got a surprisingly passive ride in the Travers after getting bumped at the start. Gets reunited with Prat and could find himself in a good spot perched off the speed. Call us crazy, but we may fear him more than Dragoon Guard.
#9 Who’s the King (20-1) - Has been off the board in three of his last four at the starter level. His good races aren’t good enough for these either. Not seeing it.
#10 Uncle Heavy (12-1) - Upset the G3 Withers S. in February, but hasn’t stepped forward since then and that race hasn’t proven to be very strong in hindsight. Minor award seems like his best hope.
#11 Stronghold (5-2) - Took a very weak running of the G1 Santa Anita Derby in April, and was seventh in the G1 Kentucky Derby—probably finishing better than most expected. Was second to Dragoon Guard in the G3 Indiana Derby last time. Pace will be key for him—he’s going to need Seize the Grey, Dragoon Guard and Unmatched Wisdom to be tiring late if he’s going to run by all three.

[batt33]

[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Straight No Chaser Update

https://youtu.be/x3MP4IY96iU
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Trainer Dan Blacker provided an update (see/hear above) after Straight No Chaser's most recent breeze this past Sunday. The Blacker team remains pleased with our son of Speightster and we are still on target for the Santa Anita Sprint Championship.

[JBEX]

Speaking of...... First workout at Churchill since moving from the farm.

Caldera

Wednesday, September 18^th | Churchill Downs


Rank1/22

Distance4 Furlongs

Time46:80

SurfaceDirt

ConditionFast

NoteBreezing

nice start to the work tab ! deterministic won first out (you might've known) and this belterra horse we've been discussing won 1st time @ 5f in aug as a 2yo ..was at a minor track but still something to be said for it


wouldn't be surprised if we seem him at kee a few weeks down the road

[JBEX]

who dey (belterra horse discussed above)


my thought with the blinkers was he had huge figure improvements in each of his first 3 starts with them off ..then when they take them off for his last start (after wearing them 4 times prior) another huge jump forward albeit a loss..realize figures aren't a science but I think a pretty good indicator he's better off without them

he ran very well in the ky stakes races with them on in spite of not winning .. maybe just the rapid ascent in company caught up with him .. possibly he would've done even better if he had run with them off in those races ..case can be made for that with the improving figures imo

to me it just seems like the blinkers was something that was unnecessary to do ..not 2nd guessing the trainer, just a conclusion from the pp's ..it's hard to argue the figure moves forward with them off imo..as far as why did he struggle to win vs allowance company at belterra I'm not sure..was less than a second off the track record so not a slow race ..the horse he beat did have a clear lead most of the way and one of the two scratches was a speed horse so maybe the pace was a little easy up front .. though 45 flat isn't really slow ..overall I'm not really put off by it going forward

as far as the jockey,mckee was the rider for his 1st 5 starts and with such a small purse can't see brian hernandez traveling to ride him..also the former is one of the top jockeys at belterra

i think liam's map might become an elite 6 figure sire in the not-to-distant future ..produces some really nice horses and have a hunch caldera might be another one of them

[batt33]

nice start to the work tab ! deterministic won first out (you might've known) and this belterra horse we've been discussing won 1st time @ 5f in aug as a 2yo ..was at a minor track but still something to be said for it

wouldn't be surprised if we seem him at kee a few weeks down the road

Yes I have been following along the conversations! It will be interesting to see what Lukas has planned for him!

[JBEX]

Yes I have been following along the conversations! It will be interesting to see what Lukas has planned for him!

liam's map doing well would only help the value of caldera if he becomes a stallion .. something to root for on the side





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[str]

who dey (belterra horse discussed above)


my thought with the blinkers was he had huge figure improvements in each of his first 3 starts with them off ..then when they take them off for his last start (after wearing them 4 times prior) another huge jump forward albeit a loss..realize figures aren't a science but I think a pretty good indicator he's better off without them

he ran very well in the ky stakes races with them on in spite of not winning .. maybe just the rapid ascent in company caught up with him .. possibly he would've done even better if he had run with them off in those races ..case can be made for that with the improving figures imo

to me it just seems like the blinkers was something that was unnecessary to do ..not 2nd guessing the trainer, just a conclusion from the pp's ..it's hard to argue the figure moves forward with them off imo..as far as why did he struggle to win vs allowance company at belterra I'm not sure..was less than a second off the track record so not a slow race ..the horse he beat did have a clear lead most of the way and one of the two scratches was a speed horse so maybe the pace was a little easy up front .. though 45 flat isn't really slow ..overall I'm not really put off by it going forward

as far as the jockey,mckee was the rider for his 1st 5 starts and with such a small purse can't see brian hernandez traveling to ride him..also the former is one of the top jockeys at belterra

i think liam's map might become an elite 6 figure sire in the not-to-distant future ..produces some really nice horses and have a hunch caldera might be another one of them

I agree that blks. on was probably over thinking it, as they say. Another rule from back in the day was you could not put blinkers ON off of a win unless there was a danger involved of some sort. Like an eye ulcer, bolting but still winning or something like that. That rule seemed to go the same place as having to break for a blks. on or off card from the gate went.

Makes sense that the horses figures would improve as the horse ran more. I'm good with that.

I am not put off at all either as he did win. The jockey thing I probably should not have mentioned as I do realize they were different venues for those riders.

Liam's Map is doping really well. Hope along with you that Caldera IS another one.

[JBEX]

hey str


just noticed a 2yo half sister to WR is going at CD R7 ..believe it or not I recognized the dams name ...unlike WR this one only cost $80k while WR was $400k + ..and guess what post she's breaking from lol

is by the sire "violence" who's one of the best debut sires out there




#1 everloving (10-1) @ 3:50

[JBEX]

hey str


just noticed a 2yo half sister to WR is going at CD R7 ..believe it or not I recognized the dams name ...unlike WR this one only cost $80k while WR was $400k + ..and guess what post she's breaking from lol

is by the sire "violence" who's one of the best debut sires out there




#1 everloving (10-1) @ 3:50

WR is by gun runner (250k fee) to put that in context

[str]

hey str


just noticed a 2yo half sister to WR is going at CD R7 ..believe it or not I recognized the dams name ...unlike WR this one only cost $80k while WR was $400k + ..and guess what post she's breaking from lol

is by the sire "violence" who's one of the best debut sires out there




#1 everloving (10-1) @ 3:50

Nice. Decent price by that sire and out of that mare. Amazing that your eye is catching siblings. I knew it was just a matter of time. Lol.
And the one post? How crazy is that?

[JBEX]

Nice. Decent price by that sire and out of that mare. Amazing that your eye is catching siblings. I knew it was just a matter of time. Lol.
And the one post? How crazy is that?

family curse I guess ..really amazing


WR debut I'm sure you'll remember he didn't care for kickback but after he was in the clear he re-engaged and fought to the wire
..you said that was a sign that he might be something good as a lot wouldn't recover from being affected by the kickback

[JBEX]

brad cox 3-1 ml fav opened 2-5($700k debuter) and she held her ml at 9-1..good sign

[str]

family curse I guess ..really amazing


WR debut I'm sure you'll remember he didn't care for kickback but after he was in the clear he re-engaged and fought to the wire
..you said that was a sign that he might be something good as a lot wouldn't recover from being affected by the kickback

Absolutely. Very few can recover like that especially with the 1 post and buried down inside like that.

Gotta think this filly is already worth more than they paid being a 1/2 sister to WR. The trainer knows that very well. I remember him talking about WR on TV after that monster race at Saratoga. Now I know why he sounded so excited about it. It all makes sense now.

[JBEX]

Absolutely. Very few can recover like that especially with the 1 post and buried down inside like that.

Gotta think this filly is already worth more than they paid being a 1/2 sister to WR. The trainer knows that very well. I remember him talking about WR on TV after that monster race at Saratoga. Now I know why he sounded so excited about it. It all makes sense now.

definitely..now anything she does will be magnified if she becomes a broodmare or if they want to purchase privately

[JBEX]

without a deep analysis that was a nice effort..any chance of winning was nixed out of the gate and more than likely wouldn't have beat the favorite anyway..missed 2nd by a nose and a long way back from the favorite

[JBEX]

without a deep analysis that was a nice effort..any chance of winning was nixed out of the gate and more than likely wouldn't have beat the favorite anyway..missed 2nd by a nose and a long way back from the favorite

my only trip observation was after making up a lot of ground in the backstretch to overcome the start she got all the way up to the tail end of the favorite and jock had to take her back ..then she still had a lot coming into the stretch especially factoring the bad start

[str]

my only trip observation was after making up a lot of ground in the backstretch to overcome the start she got all the way up to the tail end of the favorite and jock had to take her back ..then she still had a lot coming into the stretch especially factoring the bad start

Yeah, they switched leads to the left leg at that point and the winner dropped over about 4 feet and made her check a little. All in all a GREAT 1st effort.

She ran very herself in that first 1/4 mile once she got going. She can really run JBEX. Don't know if she losses next out but it will take a hell of a horse to beat her if she breaks even just ok. If she breaks well, and she should, that should be fun to watch. She did not get exhausted at all it didn't look like. Tired , sure. But really tired? It did not look like that but the feed tub this morning will verify that.

[JBEX]

Yeah, they switched leads to the left leg at that point and the winner dropped over about 4 feet and made her check a little. All in all a GREAT 1st effort.

She ran very herself in that first 1/4 mile once she got going. She can really run JBEX. Don't know if she losses next out but it will take a hell of a horse to beat her if she breaks even just ok. If she breaks well, and she should, that should be fun to watch. She did not get exhausted at all it didn't look like. Tired , sure. But really tired? It did not look like that but the feed tub this morning will verify that.

thanks str


I thought it looked like she had good energy in the stretch but I'm a little short on feeling confident of that type of comment..in excellent hands with tom amoss .. solid trainer and also seems very personable and a good guy..like when he's occasionally on the fox broadcasts ..will certainly keep an eye out for her in the future