Horse Racing questions and answers

[Madison]

adding him to my stable alerts!

Not sure where you play. I'm at TVG and my stable alerts just gets out of control after a while. I wish they would add a note field. I finally created my own "Hot" Word Doc so I could keep better notes for the real hot one's. Speaking of that, I need to do a purge one of these days.

[JBEX]

LOLOLOL. You got me on that one JBEX. Haha. I thought you were telling me that Pat McBurney was training a trotter. I was talking to myself over that one.
I had no idea they did a grass Monmouth at Meadowlands meet.
I kept saying to myself, WTF is Pat doing.

yeah sure that was a real headscratcher for you lol

goes for about a month after mth closes and has been happening I would say for at least a decade,possibly a lot longer..6 race cards friday and saturday night and they are usually nice betting races

will be interesting if he brings this horse back in two weeks (from last friday)as they are the last 2 reasonable spots at the meet ..one a mcl at half the price ($10k) while the other a statebred msw with a really big purse .. I would guess ,being it's late in the year and she ran well, that we might see her again

[str]

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/b...7712400648.mp4

[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Phase Three of Breaking Process[/COLOR]

Tune into phase three of the breaking process where your son of Not This Time gets a saddle on his back for the first time. Enjoy the video above.

I will always be fascinated with watching the horses mind working and seeing the results on their face and body language.

It will never get old.

Thanks Batt.

[str]

yeah sure that was a real headscratcher for you lol

goes for about a month after mth closes and has been happening I would say for at least a decade,possibly a lot longer..6 race cards friday and saturday night and they are usually nice betting races

will be interesting if he brings this horse back in two weeks (from last friday)as they are the last 2 reasonable spots at the meet ..one a mcl at half the price ($10k) while the other a statebred msw with a really big purse .. I would guess ,being it's late in the year and she ran well, that we might see her again

has been happening I would say for at least a decade,possibly a lot longer..
At least a decade. Wow. I had no idea.

I don't know where they go next but Md.10k makes that effort a winning one typically. Pat knows that. Grass is ending unless there is somewhere down south to run so typically a drop would happen next out. And the horse has plenty of time to rest at the end of the meet.
We shall see.

[batt33]

Not sure where you play. I'm at TVG and my stable alerts just gets out of control after a while. I wish they would add a note field. I finally created my own "Hot" Word Doc so I could keep better notes for the real hot one's. Speaking of that, I need to do a purge one of these days.

I have TVG and Twinspires...I use Twinspires as you can add notes!

[batt33]

I will always be fascinated with watching the horses mind working and seeing the results on their face and body language.

It will never get old.

Thanks Batt.

Glad you enjoyed it! This part of the breaking in process I have never seen.....I'm enjoying it along with your observations,Batt

[batt33]

[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Caldera Breeze Report
Couldn't get the links to work in this post, so posted below. I can't believe how big Caldera is ... moving alongside STG.

Caldera turned in another very impressive breeze this morning at Churchill Downs, completing five furlongs in 1:00.40. As you'll see in the accompanying video, he outworked his overmatched mate by many lengths before galloping out strongly.
We had a chance to chat about Caldera with trainer D. Wayne Lukas between his last breeze and this one, and The Coach could not have been more complimentary of your colt, even saying, "It looks like you've done it again," of course referring to G1 Preakness and G1 Pennsylvania Derby winner Seize the Grey. Lukas noted that Caldera possesses a particularly impressive combination of speed and stamina and at this stage he expects him to make an impact on the 2025 Triple Crown trail.
As many of you are aware, you never truly know what kind of horse you have until they're asked to compete in a race, but coming from the legend himself, those are some exciting statements that we couldn't help but share.
Speaking of Seize the Grey, you'll also see a clip above of him and Caldera jogging next to each other this morning as STG was starting his jog and Caldera was getting ready to breeze. We thought that was a pretty cool moment (note that the grey horse working with Caldera was NOT Seize the Grey and was another grey member of the Lukas barn).
https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/STGandCaldera_1727866446241/MP4/STGandCaldera_1727866446241.mp4

[batt33]

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/STGandCaldera_1727866446241/MP4/STGandCaldera_1727866446241.mp4

[batt33]

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/CalderaBreeze_1727866435747/MP4/CalderaBreeze_1727866435747.mp4

[JBEX]

has been happening I would say for at least a decade,possibly a lot longer..
At least a decade. Wow. I had no idea.

I don't know where they go next but Md.10k makes that effort a winning one typically. Pat knows that. Grass is ending unless there is somewhere down south to run so typically a drop would happen next out. And the horse has plenty of time to rest at the end of the meet.
We shall see.

I think he'll take a shot at the sb msw if they run that day..wouldn't want to lose for $10k even factoring she's a 6yo maiden..very little evidence in the pp's that the horse who went for the lead that day would ..if that didn't happen his horse probably wins ..will keep an eye out just for the fun of it


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[Madison]

Chancer MCPatrick

10/05/2024

Aqu

Champagne-G1

1 mile

D

2

Uncaged, Smoken Wicked, J J Zo Zo, Executive Order, Vekoma Rides, Chancer McPatrick, Lethal Speed, Tip Top Thomas, Mo Plex, Colonel Bob

[Madison]

10/05/2024

Aqu

Champagne-G1

1 mile

D

2

Uncaged, Smoken Wicked, J J Zo Zo, Executive Order, Vekoma Rides, Chancer McPatrick, Lethal Speed, Tip Top Thomas, Mo Plex, Colonel Bob

11/01/2024 Dmr Breeders' Cup Juvenile-G1 1 1/16 m D 2 Gaming, Jonathan's Way, Chancer McPatrick, Zabo, Authentic Spirit, Ferocious, East Avenue, Owen Almighty

[Madison]

Lot of BC early entries here Stakes Schedule - Calendar - Horse Racing (horseracingnation.com)

[JBEX]

Deterministic

10/05/2024

Aqu

Champagne-G1

1 mile

D

2

Uncaged, Smoken Wicked, J J Zo Zo, Executive Order, Vekoma Rides, Chancer McPatrick, Lethal Speed, Tip Top Thomas, Mo Plex, Colonel Bob

thanks madison..deterministic will be running saturday @ baq also in the jockey club derby




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[Madison]

What an email to wake up to. Handicapped the race early in the day and made the conscious decision mostly due to post to wait for another day.

Your favorite(s):

Runners

- Under The Palms

Results (Horseshoe Indianapolis - R9) Finish Pos Runner Win Place Show 1st Under The Palms $44.20 $18.20 $6.80 2nd Forever Pink $43.00 $9.00 3rd Corningstone $2.10 4th Louder Than Words 5th Three Coats $1.00 Exacta 14-11 $542.20 $0.50 Trifecta 14-11-4 $865.35 $0.10 Superfecta 14-11-4-1 $1,487.04 $0.10 Superhighfive CarryOver $6,598.87 $1.00 Daily Double 4-14 $34.30 $0.50 Pick 3 2,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,12,14,16-2,4-14 $53.75

[Madison]

thanks madison..deterministic will be running saturday @ baq also in the jockey club derby




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Yeah, he was right below Chancer at the site I posted, and I thought about posting, but often question if I'm over-posting. Sorry, I could have saved you a moment.

[str]

What an email to wake up to. Handicapped the race early in the day and made the conscious decision mostly due to post to wait for another day.

Your favorite(s):

Runners

- Under The Palms

Results (Horseshoe Indianapolis - R9) Finish Pos Runner Win Place Show 1st Under The Palms $44.20 $18.20 $6.80 2nd Forever Pink $43.00 $9.00 3rd Corningstone $2.10 4th Louder Than Words 5th Three Coats $1.00 Exacta 14-11 $542.20 $0.50 Trifecta 14-11-4 $865.35 $0.10 Superfecta 14-11-4-1 $1,487.04 $0.10 Superhighfive CarryOver $6,598.87 $1.00 Daily Double 4-14 $34.30 $0.50 Pick 3 2,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,12,14,16-2,4-14 $53.75

That's a shame Madison. We have all been there.

Outside posts actually had a good day starting with the 1st race.

I try and keep an eye on that during the card.

At least you had it circled to watch. Your doing something right.

[JBEX]

Yeah, he was right below Chancer at the site I posted, and I thought about posting, but often question if I'm over-posting. Sorry, I could have saved you a moment.

no problem and that's tough at indy..definitely been there a few times but especially stings at those prices

[JBEX]

thanks madison..deterministic will be running saturday @ baq also in the jockey club derby




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as much as I'm looking forward to seeing both of them run especially intrigued how deterministic will do at the substantial extra distance..1/4 mile further than last and 3/16th's than the race two back

[JBEX]

as much as I'm looking forward to seeing both of them run especially intrigued how deterministic will do at the substantial extra distance..1/4 mile further than last and 3/16th's than the race two back

hey str

do you think going that much extra ground on the turf for the first time could be just as much about getting experience with it as having the stamina to handle it..being able to take cues from the jockey and not move too soon ?

[batt33]

What an email to wake up to. Handicapped the race early in the day and made the conscious decision mostly due to post to wait for another day.

Your favorite(s):

Runners

- Under The Palms

Results (Horseshoe Indianapolis - R9) Finish Pos Runner Win Place Show 1st Under The Palms $44.20 $18.20 $6.80 2nd Forever Pink $43.00 $9.00 3rd Corningstone $2.10 4th Louder Than Words 5th Three Coats $1.00 Exacta 14-11 $542.20 $0.50 Trifecta 14-11-4 $865.35 $0.10 Superfecta 14-11-4-1 $1,487.04 $0.10 Superhighfive CarryOver $6,598.87 $1.00 Daily Double 4-14 $34.30 $0.50 Pick 3 2,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,12,14,16-2,4-14 $53.75

Ugh...It's happend to me too....

[JBEX]

army mule @ kee

g2 stakes @ 6f

R7 #1 federal judge (3-1)
@ 4:12

ran twice at sar with a win and close 2nd..think I may have been aware of one but pretty sure not both..we've seen this one before in her first two starts



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[str]

hey str

do you think going that much extra ground on the turf for the first time could be just as much about getting experience with it as having the stamina to handle it..being able to take cues from the jockey and not move too soon ?

I do not think the stamina will be the problem. My worry would be a crawling early pace and Deterministic pulling that run off stuff, thus burning energy and coming up flat. I think he can run all day if he controls his getting fired up before the race hits the 1/2 mile pole. The Red and white pole before the far turn for those that are not sure.

Too me, that is all I would be focusing on.

IMO, if he stays chilled, he will be just fine. Will be fun to watch.

[str]

I think he'll take a shot at the sb msw if they run that day..wouldn't want to lose for $10k even factoring she's a 6yo maiden..very little evidence in the pp's that the horse who went for the lead that day would ..if that didn't happen his horse probably wins ..will keep an eye out just for the fun of it


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I do not know if they restrict 7 yr., old maidens or not. Some states used to.

There used to be a rule that maidens 5 or older were barred from running in Md. I had a 5 yr. old maiden and had to run her at Keystone in Pa. One of my favorite stories .
Here it is from years ago in here. Post 4208. Some of my favorite horses I trained.

On A Springday- A new owner that bred a horse or two had a mare that has been stopped on as a 2 year old. They bred her but she didn't take. So after a 2 year layoff, I started training her. She got better everyday. Really better ! She was not ready in time to run as a 4 year old and 5 year old maidens were not allowed in Maryland. So I entered her in a race at Keystone knowing that if she lost, they would not let her back on the grounds. She had beaten a 20k boy in two workouts so I was about as sure as you can be that she was going to run a nice race. But after 3 years, well, you never know. I sent my own rider up with her so those crooks up there could not screw around with her. She won easily. All the help bet on her. What a morale boost that was for all of us. Oh, that rider I sent up? You probably have heard of her. Julie Krone. Nice ride Jules ! What a great person she is.

[str]

[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Caldera Breeze Report
Couldn't get the links to work in this post, so posted below. I can't believe how big Caldera is ... moving alongside STG.

Caldera turned in another very impressive breeze this morning at Churchill Downs, completing five furlongs in 1:00.40. As you'll see in the accompanying video, he outworked his overmatched mate by many lengths before galloping out strongly.
We had a chance to chat about Caldera with trainer D. Wayne Lukas between his last breeze and this one, and The Coach could not have been more complimentary of your colt, even saying, "It looks like you've done it again," of course referring to G1 Preakness and G1 Pennsylvania Derby winner Seize the Grey. Lukas noted that Caldera possesses a particularly impressive combination of speed and stamina and at this stage he expects him to make an impact on the 2025 Triple Crown trail.
As many of you are aware, you never truly know what kind of horse you have until they're asked to compete in a race, but coming from the legend himself, those are some exciting statements that we couldn't help but share.
Speaking of Seize the Grey, you'll also see a clip above of him and Caldera jogging next to each other this morning as STG was starting his jog and Caldera was getting ready to breeze. We thought that was a pretty cool moment (note that the grey horse working with Caldera was NOT Seize the Grey and was another grey member of the Lukas barn).
https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/STGandCaldera_1727866446241/MP4/STGandCaldera_1727866446241.mp4

Good stuff Batt. I can go back and show everyone a couple of things in that 1st weight on it's back clip where the horse, said, ok, this is ok. Horses demeanor changed in an instant. So cool to see that. Let me know if anyone is interested. Don't want to bore you guys with that stuff unless you like it.

[str]

g2 stakes @ 6f

R7 #1 federal judge (3-1)
@ 4:12

ran twice at sar with a win and close 2nd..think I may have been aware of one but pretty sure not both..we've seen this one before in her first two starts



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I remember this one. Expect more of the same

[JBEX]

I remember this one. Expect more of the same

think he might be the best speed of the bunch..also like that he's working his way back down to 6f from 7 and 6.5..might give him a little extra "umphh" at the end ..probably heading to the bc sprint with a win..be nice to see an army mule in one these races

[batt33]

I do not know if they restrict 7 yr., old maidens or not. Some states used to.

There used to be a rule that maidens 5 or older were barred from running in Md. I had a 5 yr. old maiden and had to run her at Keystone in Pa. One of my favorite stories .
Here it is from years ago in here. Post 4208. Some of my favorite horses I trained.

On A Springday- A new owner that bred a horse or two had a mare that has been stopped on as a 2 year old. They bred her but she didn't take. So after a 2 year layoff, I started training her. She got better everyday. Really better ! She was not ready in time to run as a 4 year old and 5 year old maidens were not allowed in Maryland. So I entered her in a race at Keystone knowing that if she lost, they would not let her back on the grounds. She had beaten a 20k boy in two workouts so I was about as sure as you can be that she was going to run a nice race. But after 3 years, well, you never know. I sent my own rider up with her so those crooks up there could not screw around with her. She won easily. All the help bet on her. What a morale boost that was for all of us. Oh, that rider I sent up? You probably have heard of her. Julie Krone. Nice ride Jules ! What a great person she is.

Wow great story! Thanks for sharing!

[batt33]

Good stuff Batt. I can go back and show everyone a couple of things in that 1st weight on it's back clip where the horse, said, ok, this is ok. Horses demeanor changed in an instant. So cool to see that. Let me know if anyone is interested. Don't want to bore you guys with that stuff unless you like it.

IT goes both ways STR! Like I said earlier, Part of sharing some of the clips is to get your insight! and also sharing some backside clips... that takes us back....

[JBEX]

liam's map going in kee R8..2yo turf route stakes ..broke her maiden first out at KD

#5 mechaya (15-1)

not for or against her ..just pointing it out

[JBEX]

liam's map going in kee R8..2yo turf route stakes ..broke her maiden first out at KD

#5 mechaya (15-1)

not for or against her ..just pointing it out

also one in the following race ..2yo dirt route g1..being a positive name believer like this one ..just missed in career start #2 by < 1 length breaking from the 14 post at churchill in a g3 stakes on the dirt last out at 1mile ..that's impressive

#3 liam in the dust (10-1)

[JBEX]

also one in the following race ..2yo dirt route g1..being a positive name believer like this one ..just missed in career start #2 by < 1 length breaking from the 14 post at churchill in a g3 stakes on the dirt last out ..that's impressive

#3 liam in the dust (10-1)

only one who's gone "over " 7f in the race

[JBEX]

tell you batt from just casual observation of sires under $150k I think LM one of if not the best sires out there ..bodes well for caldera imo

[batt33]

g2 stakes @ 6f

R7 #1 federal judge (3-1)
@ 4:12

ran twice at sar with a win and close 2nd..think I may have been aware of one but pretty sure not both..we've seen this one before in her first two starts



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Nice win! had him in a couple of Pick 3's and a little sprinkled to win! Just going to say it now.... IF Straight no chaser is on his game.... He is running for second in the sprint!

[batt33]

also one in the following race ..2yo dirt route g1..being a positive name believer like this one ..just missed in career start #2 by < 1 length breaking from the 14 post at churchill in a g3 stakes on the dirt last out at 1mile ..that's impressive

#3 liam in the dust (10-1)

Have them both in p'3..