what gabe says.

**v1y** · 05-12-12, 10:49 AM

it's so much easier to see if you can hack it betting in mma than poker, because in mma you can "pretend play" for real. also, you're always going up against the market, not individual players.

in poker, playing without real money is never the same as playing with real money. plus, playing with low limits is going to be inherently different (because of the skill of the players) than playing with higher limits.

**omalley21** · 05-12-12, 12:49 PM

http://www.ultimatefighter.com/

**gabe** · 05-12-12, 04:32 PM

Amir Sadollah -220 (5/5)

I think -220 is a steal. Don't see how he loses this. He's gonna finish it or take a dominant decision.

**gabe** · 05-12-12, 07:36 PM

I'm getting Cerrone at -220 --- maxed it out

**Wanna Bet On It?** · 05-12-12, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by gabe

I'm getting Cerrone at -220 --- maxed it out

That's a good price brew. It should come in handy if you use it to arb out on Stephens and go big on him to get a better price.

**gabe** · 05-12-12, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by Wanna Bet On It?

That's a good price brew. It should come in handy if you use it to arb out on Stephens and go big on him to get a better price.

It was -265 one minute, -220 the next, meanwhile still -260 on 5dimes... had to take advantage!

**gabe** · 05-12-12, 08:26 PM

Pettis dominated Stephens. Unless he's improved dramatically, I don't see him harming Cerrone.

**Educ8d Degener8** · 05-12-12, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by gabe

Pettis dominated Stephens. Unless he's improved dramatically, I don't see him harming Cerrone.

U srs?

**JOSHKROTCHNECK** · 05-12-12, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by gabe

Pettis dominated Stephens. Unless he's improved dramatically, I don't see him harming Cerrone.

Really ? dominated ? Stephens won a round off him and pettis shaded the other two. Pettis struggled to get offence off on his feet, overall the fight was very even. Pettis had to use his athleticism and smarts to out-wrestle stephens and even then stephens was still competitive from the sprawl and took pettis down.

Pettis is a much more dynamic fighter than cowboy. Cerrone is going to have to grapple heavy in this one to stall and break time between exchanges and force resets where he can throw kicks at range. I'm not sure cerrone can do this. Cerrones punches are extremely mediocre. Straight, off balance, predictable. The complete opposite of his kicking game. In fact if cerrone could actually throw punching combinations he would be a real contender at LW.

Stephens can exploit cerrones point based muay thai striking. He is good at exploding forward and he hits hard which will make it even harder for cowboy to get the takedown/ work the clinch when he is running backward.

**gabe** · 05-12-12, 09:08 PM

alls i know is i had a nice play on stephens and i was shitting my pants the whole fight, praying for a lucky KO.

**Vitooch** · 05-12-12, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by gabe

Pettis dominated Stephens. Unless he's improved dramatically, I don't see him harming Cerrone.

"UFC 136 Results: Anthony Pettis Narrowly Edges Jeremy Stephens" (bloodyelbow.com)

**gabe** · 05-12-12, 09:09 PM

i think guys cerrone has previously beaten wouldn't have trouble beating stephens, either.

**Vitooch** · 05-12-12, 09:10 PM

Fair enough

**Educ8d Degener8** · 05-12-12, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by gabe

alls i know is i had a nice play on stephens and i was shitting my pants the whole fight, praying for a lucky KO.

Going into the 3rd it was a toss-up iirc. Was a split decision, no?

**JOSHKROTCHNECK** · 05-12-12, 09:37 PM

Originally posted by gabe

i think guys cerrone has previously beaten wouldn't have trouble beating stephens, either.

MMATH usually sucks. I know what your saying though I will probably be sweating if cerrone executes his gameplan well and resorts stephens to a punchers chance scenario. But the truth is, from the off, I think stephens has more than a punchers chance in this fight.

**v1y** · 05-12-12, 10:54 PM

every part of my body wants to fade lopez because he lost to edwards, but amir is just such a different style from edwards, and sadollah has not looked good recently.

**Vaughany** · 05-13-12, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by Educ8d Degener8

U srs?

He's a funny one isnt he

**gabe** · 05-13-12, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

He's a funny one isnt he

Says the guy who thought Pat Barry's leg kicks would actually play a factor in his fight vs Lavar LOL

**gabe** · 05-13-12, 01:35 PM

V, run another contest on here. Need a reason to keep coming here.

**gabe** · 05-14-12, 03:23 AM

UFC on Fuel TV threeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Hope you gangstaz dig my Clipper playoff beard...

pt. 1

pt. 2

you're muthafuhggin' welcome. sheeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

**Grabaka** · 05-14-12, 03:57 AM

GL Gabe

**BIGDAY** · 05-14-12, 05:18 AM

Best of luck pal!

Gabe's vids are always entertaining. Keep rockin bro

**Rubber Guard** · 05-14-12, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by gabe

alls i know is i had a nice play on stephens and i was shitting my pants the whole fight, praying for a lucky KO.

Agree with Gabe. It ended up being a split but Stephens really only won a round. And if I recall much of the time he had Pettis against the cage while Pettis was the one trying all the subs and throwing punches from guard.

The fact that Stephens threw Pettis off a bit by trying to wrestle is the only reason it was close. I thought Pettis clearly won 2-1.

Stephens is a good fighter though and who knows how much Cerrone's ass beating will shake his once high confidence.

I won't play this one but I can see how you can make an argument for either side. I think Cerrone wins a decision on the feet and if Stephens plays the wrestle and clinch game then Cerrone has one of the meanest triangles there is.

**Rubber Guard** · 05-14-12, 10:10 AM

mmaweekly.com

http://www.mmaweekly.com/ufc-136-play-by-play-anthony-pettis-vs-jeremy-stephens

I can't find a video but this play by play sums up what I thought.

Stephens won the first due to catching Pettis off guard with TDs he didn't expect. He did nothing with them. Pettis out-struck him and worked harder off his back.

Pettis ended up out-wrestling Stephens. Out-striking him. And being more aggressive on the ground trying to finish. Actually getting Stephens pretty deep into stuff.

Pettis controlled the fight wherever it went. Stephens is a solid fighter and isn't going to lay down for anyone. But Pettis was clearly the better fighter. If he had been ready for Stephens' want to wrestle...he probably would have stuffed them and won 3-0.

You don't just look at a fight and say Oh well it was a Split so it was close. Not when you are judging fighters abilities. Pettis was clearly the better fighter and Stephens happened to take a round in the judges eyes.

**Vaughany** · 05-14-12, 10:16 AM

Great beard...but its all about the mask brah...Ted Bundy it up

**helpplease** · 05-14-12, 10:27 AM

If the real Donald Cerrone shows up he will absolutely destroy Jermey stephens .. but word is that many people had bets on Donald Cerrone at that time and even more people had big $$ bets on Alistair Overeem in las vegas .. so someone had offered a good deal of $ to Donald Cerrone to throw that fight and he did .. this is just a rumor though I am not sure about the legitimacy of it .

each time Donald cerrone leg kicked Nate Diaz he dropped him like a sack of shit yet he did not follow up on it ?!

even in the Charles Oliveria fight standing up he showed real good striking with his hands .. yet he some how forgot how to strike in the nate diaz fight ? I really truly believe he threw that fight .

Donald cerrone is immensely skilled and talented .. that fight with nate diaz was NOT him .. no way

**Vaughany** · 05-14-12, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by helpplease

If the real Donald Cerrone shows up he will absolutely destroy Jermey stephens .. but word is that many people had bets on Donald Cerrone at that time and even more people had big $$ bets on Alistair Overeem in las vegas .. so someone had offered a good deal of $ to Donald Cerrone to throw that fight and he did .. this is just a rumor though I am not sure about the legitimacy of it .

each time Donald cerrone leg kicked Nate Diaz he dropped him like a sack of shit yet he did not follow up on it ?!

even in the Charles Oliveria fight standing up he showed real good striking with his hands .. yet he some how forgot how to strike in the nate diaz fight ? I really truly believe he threw that fight .

Donald cerrone is immensely skilled and talented .. that fight with nate diaz was NOT him .. no way

lol

**sirchadwick1** · 05-14-12, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by helpplease

If the real Donald Cerrone shows up he will absolutely destroy Jermey stephens .. but word is that many people had bets on Donald Cerrone at that time and even more people had big $$ bets on Alistair Overeem in las vegas .. so someone had offered a good deal of $ to Donald Cerrone to throw that fight and he did .. this is just a rumor though I am not sure about the legitimacy of it .

each time Donald cerrone leg kicked Nate Diaz he dropped him like a sack of shit yet he did not follow up on it ?!

even in the Charles Oliveria fight standing up he showed real good striking with his hands .. yet he some how forgot how to strike in the nate diaz fight ? I really truly believe he threw that fight .

Donald cerrone is immensely skilled and talented .. that fight with nate diaz was NOT him .. no way

True...cerrone looked completely out of it in this fight... I thought he was on drugs or something, but nothing came out afterwards. But where did you hear/read these rumors that he threw the fight?

All I remember reading is that Nate got into Cerrone's head and it lead to him wanting to keep the fight standing where he could beat his face in. Too bad Diaz was better than him in the standup dept and Cerrone had no desire to take it down, even after getting busted up.

I lost about 10u on Cerrone vs Diaz b/c of my overconfidence in him. My worst betting night ever. The man that showed up that night was a shell of the guy I've seen.. or maybe Nate Diaz has just gotten that damn good that he throws off fighters games instantly.

Either way, that is one night I don't care to reflect on. And now I'm not opposed to taking Nate at + money anytime vs those w/out a strong wrestling background.

I do know one thing though, I will not be throwing down heavy juice on Cerrone again.

**gabe** · 05-14-12, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by helpplease

If the real Donald Cerrone shows up he will absolutely destroy Jermey stephens .. but word is that many people had bets on Donald Cerrone at that time and even more people had big $$ bets on Alistair Overeem in las vegas .. so someone had offered a good deal of $ to Donald Cerrone to throw that fight and he did .. this is just a rumor though I am not sure about the legitimacy of it .

I remember personally feeling that the dude is throwing the fight. After losing the first round, he was dumb enough to not change anything up AT ALL.

Pre-fight he said people should get a mortgage on their homes and put all their money on him 'cos there is no way he will lose to Nate Diaz... he says all that then goes into a fight and fights stupid without any care? It looked like he was trying to lose but get a fight of the night at the same time. Fishy things happen, dunno if this was one of them or not, but fishy things do happen, and it'd be silly to think that they never do. As long as human beings are involved, there will always be something fishy here or there, even in the UFC...

**Vaughany** · 05-14-12, 11:44 AM

Cerrone is a guy who likes to stand and bang and put on entertaining fights... it's not surprising that he didnt follow Diaz to the ground...he isnt the type of fighter to lay in Diaz's guard for a round just to steal a fight....you're all acting like Cerrone did something different to how he has fought before!

**NunyaBidness** · 05-14-12, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by gabe

I remember personally feeling that the dude is throwing the fight. After losing the first round, he was dumb enough to not change anything up AT ALL.

He's just dumb, he's always fought dumb. He might've looked smart in the Rocha fight, avoiding the ground game, but he usually tends to avoid it anyway. He's a dumb redneck.

**NunyaBidness** · 05-14-12, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Cerrone is a guy who likes to stand and bang and put on entertaining fights... it's not surprising that he didnt follow Diaz to the ground...he isnt the type of fighter to lay in Diaz's guard for a round just to steal a fight....you're all acting like Cerrone did something different to how he has fought before!

Twinsies!

**Vaughany** · 05-14-12, 11:48 AM

haha

**helpplease** · 05-14-12, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by gabe

I remember personally feeling that the dude is throwing the fight. After losing the first round, he was dumb enough to not change anything up AT ALL.

Pre-fight he said people should get a mortgage on their homes and put all their money on him 'cos there is no way he will lose to Nate Diaz... he says all that then goes into a fight and fights stupid without any care? It looked like he was trying to lose but get a fight of the night at the same time. Fishy things happen, dunno if this was one of them or not, but fishy things do happen, and it'd be silly to think that they never do. As long as human beings are involved, there will always be something fishy here or there, even in the UFC...

also on TUF with Justin Lawrence .. the dude showed good cardio in all his fights now suddenly even though his destroying him on the feet he follows him to the ground ?! even though dominic Cruz literally begged him to keep it on the feet .. also WTF happened to his cardio ?!

It's easy to dismiss such things by saying oh his just too young and needs alot of learning to do .. but unless he was poisoned by somebody I really think Justin Lawrence also threw that fight away .. who knows maybe he had somebody bet against himself big $$ or there was something really fishy going on .

for the most part they make most of the match ups pretty even and I think maybe they rig 1 in 100 matches or something like that .. because vegas has the odds in favor with the juice on there odds no matter who wins they profit most of the times unless everybody bets on one side and not the other .. which is a rare case and only in cases like people like Jon Bones .

but I really believe the Justin Lawrence and Donald Cerrone vs Nate Diaz fight were either rigged or they had money against themselves .. or they were poisoned lol

**gabe** · 05-14-12, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Cerrone is a guy who likes to stand and bang and put on entertaining fights... it's not surprising that he didnt follow Diaz to the ground...he isnt the type of fighter to lay in Diaz's guard for a round just to steal a fight....you're all acting like Cerrone did something different to how he has fought before!

In any of the fights he lost in the WEC, did he ever lose the first round pretty badly and do nothing different in the 2nd?

He struck me as a fighter who would do whatever it takes to get a win, but I guess he's not.